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All they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace"
] |
>
They lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.
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[
"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?"
] |
>
Hitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve.
In the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.
|
[
"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit."
] |
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It was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.
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[
"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor."
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Putin seems to follow in those footsteps.
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[
"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize."
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The Russian Federation must be dissolved.
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[
"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps."
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Unfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.
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[
"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved."
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The Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.
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[
"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes."
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There are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.
If you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.
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[
"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army."
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Ukraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.
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[
"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics."
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They’re being held back.
I think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil.
After all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine.
I’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.
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[
"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them."
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I also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.
The same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.
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[
"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me."
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Murderous petulance.
Give Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.
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[
"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t."
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Fucking cunts.
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[
"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this."
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Damn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this
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[
"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts."
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I wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.
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[
"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this"
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All Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength."
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It seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world"
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Yeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come."
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Welp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢
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[
"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles."
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Stay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢"
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I hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over
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[
"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!"
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Maybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.
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[
"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over"
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Ukraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...
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[
"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about."
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Monsters
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[
"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s..."
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It's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense
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[
"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters"
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Putin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far
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[
"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense"
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It really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.
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[
"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far"
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They sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?
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[
"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons."
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They are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈
Edit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....
Russia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war.
Even if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife
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[
"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?"
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Even if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife
This. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.
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[
"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife"
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Can't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state
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[
"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely."
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Russia is a terrorist state
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[
"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state"
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The only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state"
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One thing I truly find baffling is the "what about Donbass" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment.
One, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say "Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.
Two, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the "motherland", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi?
Just imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of "protecting the Russian language"?
But we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart.
By the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.
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[
"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference."
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It's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.
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[
"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa."
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Bag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it."
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Hard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes."
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine."
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The London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window."
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid."
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But yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,"peace". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia"
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55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit."
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Didn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?
I mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.
This guy is far beyond psychooooo
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine."
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Only a terrorist state would act like that.
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo"
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Fuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that."
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They're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence.
If people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin."
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Do not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over"
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Imagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it."
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem"
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan."
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Russia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children.
Every time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?"
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Parallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.
It didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine."
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Russia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance."
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.",
">\n\nRussia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back"
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Yea look at how the blitz turned out, real win for Germany that was
What’s the point of this, why is Russia doing this what’s the strategic angle
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.",
">\n\nRussia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back",
">\n\nCowards"
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I swear I saw something just too days ago that the kremlin was basically begging for a peace, and yet they continue to act like a spoiled 12yo at McDonalds that didn't get their happy heal.
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.",
">\n\nRussia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back",
">\n\nCowards",
">\n\nYea look at how the blitz turned out, real win for Germany that was\nWhat’s the point of this, why is Russia doing this what’s the strategic angle"
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.",
">\n\nRussia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back",
">\n\nCowards",
">\n\nYea look at how the blitz turned out, real win for Germany that was\nWhat’s the point of this, why is Russia doing this what’s the strategic angle",
">\n\nI swear I saw something just too days ago that the kremlin was basically begging for a peace, and yet they continue to act like a spoiled 12yo at McDonalds that didn't get their happy heal."
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I don't care anymore if Russia ceases to exist, I only hope the Russian people eventually stand up for what's right, so they don't all have to die with it.
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.",
">\n\nRussia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back",
">\n\nCowards",
">\n\nYea look at how the blitz turned out, real win for Germany that was\nWhat’s the point of this, why is Russia doing this what’s the strategic angle",
">\n\nI swear I saw something just too days ago that the kremlin was basically begging for a peace, and yet they continue to act like a spoiled 12yo at McDonalds that didn't get their happy heal.",
">\n\nIf Russia doesn't demilitarize, Ukraine will do it for them."
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Russia> "we want to come to the negotiation table"
Also Russia> Pelts Ukraine with billions of rubles of missiles
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.",
">\n\nRussia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back",
">\n\nCowards",
">\n\nYea look at how the blitz turned out, real win for Germany that was\nWhat’s the point of this, why is Russia doing this what’s the strategic angle",
">\n\nI swear I saw something just too days ago that the kremlin was basically begging for a peace, and yet they continue to act like a spoiled 12yo at McDonalds that didn't get their happy heal.",
">\n\nIf Russia doesn't demilitarize, Ukraine will do it for them.",
">\n\nI don't care anymore if Russia ceases to exist, I only hope the Russian people eventually stand up for what's right, so they don't all have to die with it."
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My cousin and his wife are there and they're medic, it's been 5 months now he hasn't contacted me or his family yet, last time we spoke he was in lviv.
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.",
">\n\nRussia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back",
">\n\nCowards",
">\n\nYea look at how the blitz turned out, real win for Germany that was\nWhat’s the point of this, why is Russia doing this what’s the strategic angle",
">\n\nI swear I saw something just too days ago that the kremlin was basically begging for a peace, and yet they continue to act like a spoiled 12yo at McDonalds that didn't get their happy heal.",
">\n\nIf Russia doesn't demilitarize, Ukraine will do it for them.",
">\n\nI don't care anymore if Russia ceases to exist, I only hope the Russian people eventually stand up for what's right, so they don't all have to die with it.",
">\n\nRussia> \"we want to come to the negotiation table\"\nAlso Russia> Pelts Ukraine with billions of rubles of missiles"
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Ok, so now it's really time to stop delaying the inevitable... The west need to get properly involved now. Yes it brings risk, but like I said I think it's inevitable eventually.
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.",
">\n\nRussia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back",
">\n\nCowards",
">\n\nYea look at how the blitz turned out, real win for Germany that was\nWhat’s the point of this, why is Russia doing this what’s the strategic angle",
">\n\nI swear I saw something just too days ago that the kremlin was basically begging for a peace, and yet they continue to act like a spoiled 12yo at McDonalds that didn't get their happy heal.",
">\n\nIf Russia doesn't demilitarize, Ukraine will do it for them.",
">\n\nI don't care anymore if Russia ceases to exist, I only hope the Russian people eventually stand up for what's right, so they don't all have to die with it.",
">\n\nRussia> \"we want to come to the negotiation table\"\nAlso Russia> Pelts Ukraine with billions of rubles of missiles",
">\n\nMy cousin and his wife are there and they're medic, it's been 5 months now he hasn't contacted me or his family yet, last time we spoke he was in lviv."
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man fuck putin
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.",
">\n\nRussia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back",
">\n\nCowards",
">\n\nYea look at how the blitz turned out, real win for Germany that was\nWhat’s the point of this, why is Russia doing this what’s the strategic angle",
">\n\nI swear I saw something just too days ago that the kremlin was basically begging for a peace, and yet they continue to act like a spoiled 12yo at McDonalds that didn't get their happy heal.",
">\n\nIf Russia doesn't demilitarize, Ukraine will do it for them.",
">\n\nI don't care anymore if Russia ceases to exist, I only hope the Russian people eventually stand up for what's right, so they don't all have to die with it.",
">\n\nRussia> \"we want to come to the negotiation table\"\nAlso Russia> Pelts Ukraine with billions of rubles of missiles",
">\n\nMy cousin and his wife are there and they're medic, it's been 5 months now he hasn't contacted me or his family yet, last time we spoke he was in lviv.",
">\n\nOk, so now it's really time to stop delaying the inevitable... The west need to get properly involved now. Yes it brings risk, but like I said I think it's inevitable eventually."
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Fuck putin and all Russia apologists across the globe. Death to fascists!
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.",
">\n\nRussia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back",
">\n\nCowards",
">\n\nYea look at how the blitz turned out, real win for Germany that was\nWhat’s the point of this, why is Russia doing this what’s the strategic angle",
">\n\nI swear I saw something just too days ago that the kremlin was basically begging for a peace, and yet they continue to act like a spoiled 12yo at McDonalds that didn't get their happy heal.",
">\n\nIf Russia doesn't demilitarize, Ukraine will do it for them.",
">\n\nI don't care anymore if Russia ceases to exist, I only hope the Russian people eventually stand up for what's right, so they don't all have to die with it.",
">\n\nRussia> \"we want to come to the negotiation table\"\nAlso Russia> Pelts Ukraine with billions of rubles of missiles",
">\n\nMy cousin and his wife are there and they're medic, it's been 5 months now he hasn't contacted me or his family yet, last time we spoke he was in lviv.",
">\n\nOk, so now it's really time to stop delaying the inevitable... The west need to get properly involved now. Yes it brings risk, but like I said I think it's inevitable eventually.",
">\n\nman fuck putin"
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those psychopaths illegaly invading Ukraine a sovereign country ... I pray for Ukrainians. Strong people.
russia will colapse after this.. not sure whom will be in power then....
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.",
">\n\nRussia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back",
">\n\nCowards",
">\n\nYea look at how the blitz turned out, real win for Germany that was\nWhat’s the point of this, why is Russia doing this what’s the strategic angle",
">\n\nI swear I saw something just too days ago that the kremlin was basically begging for a peace, and yet they continue to act like a spoiled 12yo at McDonalds that didn't get their happy heal.",
">\n\nIf Russia doesn't demilitarize, Ukraine will do it for them.",
">\n\nI don't care anymore if Russia ceases to exist, I only hope the Russian people eventually stand up for what's right, so they don't all have to die with it.",
">\n\nRussia> \"we want to come to the negotiation table\"\nAlso Russia> Pelts Ukraine with billions of rubles of missiles",
">\n\nMy cousin and his wife are there and they're medic, it's been 5 months now he hasn't contacted me or his family yet, last time we spoke he was in lviv.",
">\n\nOk, so now it's really time to stop delaying the inevitable... The west need to get properly involved now. Yes it brings risk, but like I said I think it's inevitable eventually.",
">\n\nman fuck putin",
">\n\nFuck putin and all Russia apologists across the globe. Death to fascists!"
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🇷🇺 is a Terrorist state
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.",
">\n\nRussia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back",
">\n\nCowards",
">\n\nYea look at how the blitz turned out, real win for Germany that was\nWhat’s the point of this, why is Russia doing this what’s the strategic angle",
">\n\nI swear I saw something just too days ago that the kremlin was basically begging for a peace, and yet they continue to act like a spoiled 12yo at McDonalds that didn't get their happy heal.",
">\n\nIf Russia doesn't demilitarize, Ukraine will do it for them.",
">\n\nI don't care anymore if Russia ceases to exist, I only hope the Russian people eventually stand up for what's right, so they don't all have to die with it.",
">\n\nRussia> \"we want to come to the negotiation table\"\nAlso Russia> Pelts Ukraine with billions of rubles of missiles",
">\n\nMy cousin and his wife are there and they're medic, it's been 5 months now he hasn't contacted me or his family yet, last time we spoke he was in lviv.",
">\n\nOk, so now it's really time to stop delaying the inevitable... The west need to get properly involved now. Yes it brings risk, but like I said I think it's inevitable eventually.",
">\n\nman fuck putin",
">\n\nFuck putin and all Russia apologists across the globe. Death to fascists!",
">\n\nthose psychopaths illegaly invading Ukraine a sovereign country ... I pray for Ukrainians. Strong people.\nrussia will colapse after this.. not sure whom will be in power then...."
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Putin is evil.
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.",
">\n\nRussia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back",
">\n\nCowards",
">\n\nYea look at how the blitz turned out, real win for Germany that was\nWhat’s the point of this, why is Russia doing this what’s the strategic angle",
">\n\nI swear I saw something just too days ago that the kremlin was basically begging for a peace, and yet they continue to act like a spoiled 12yo at McDonalds that didn't get their happy heal.",
">\n\nIf Russia doesn't demilitarize, Ukraine will do it for them.",
">\n\nI don't care anymore if Russia ceases to exist, I only hope the Russian people eventually stand up for what's right, so they don't all have to die with it.",
">\n\nRussia> \"we want to come to the negotiation table\"\nAlso Russia> Pelts Ukraine with billions of rubles of missiles",
">\n\nMy cousin and his wife are there and they're medic, it's been 5 months now he hasn't contacted me or his family yet, last time we spoke he was in lviv.",
">\n\nOk, so now it's really time to stop delaying the inevitable... The west need to get properly involved now. Yes it brings risk, but like I said I think it's inevitable eventually.",
">\n\nman fuck putin",
">\n\nFuck putin and all Russia apologists across the globe. Death to fascists!",
">\n\nthose psychopaths illegaly invading Ukraine a sovereign country ... I pray for Ukrainians. Strong people.\nrussia will colapse after this.. not sure whom will be in power then....",
">\n\n🇷🇺 is a Terrorist state"
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.",
">\n\nRussia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back",
">\n\nCowards",
">\n\nYea look at how the blitz turned out, real win for Germany that was\nWhat’s the point of this, why is Russia doing this what’s the strategic angle",
">\n\nI swear I saw something just too days ago that the kremlin was basically begging for a peace, and yet they continue to act like a spoiled 12yo at McDonalds that didn't get their happy heal.",
">\n\nIf Russia doesn't demilitarize, Ukraine will do it for them.",
">\n\nI don't care anymore if Russia ceases to exist, I only hope the Russian people eventually stand up for what's right, so they don't all have to die with it.",
">\n\nRussia> \"we want to come to the negotiation table\"\nAlso Russia> Pelts Ukraine with billions of rubles of missiles",
">\n\nMy cousin and his wife are there and they're medic, it's been 5 months now he hasn't contacted me or his family yet, last time we spoke he was in lviv.",
">\n\nOk, so now it's really time to stop delaying the inevitable... The west need to get properly involved now. Yes it brings risk, but like I said I think it's inevitable eventually.",
">\n\nman fuck putin",
">\n\nFuck putin and all Russia apologists across the globe. Death to fascists!",
">\n\nthose psychopaths illegaly invading Ukraine a sovereign country ... I pray for Ukrainians. Strong people.\nrussia will colapse after this.. not sure whom will be in power then....",
">\n\n🇷🇺 is a Terrorist state",
">\n\nPutin is evil."
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.",
">\n\nRussia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back",
">\n\nCowards",
">\n\nYea look at how the blitz turned out, real win for Germany that was\nWhat’s the point of this, why is Russia doing this what’s the strategic angle",
">\n\nI swear I saw something just too days ago that the kremlin was basically begging for a peace, and yet they continue to act like a spoiled 12yo at McDonalds that didn't get their happy heal.",
">\n\nIf Russia doesn't demilitarize, Ukraine will do it for them.",
">\n\nI don't care anymore if Russia ceases to exist, I only hope the Russian people eventually stand up for what's right, so they don't all have to die with it.",
">\n\nRussia> \"we want to come to the negotiation table\"\nAlso Russia> Pelts Ukraine with billions of rubles of missiles",
">\n\nMy cousin and his wife are there and they're medic, it's been 5 months now he hasn't contacted me or his family yet, last time we spoke he was in lviv.",
">\n\nOk, so now it's really time to stop delaying the inevitable... The west need to get properly involved now. Yes it brings risk, but like I said I think it's inevitable eventually.",
">\n\nman fuck putin",
">\n\nFuck putin and all Russia apologists across the globe. Death to fascists!",
">\n\nthose psychopaths illegaly invading Ukraine a sovereign country ... I pray for Ukrainians. Strong people.\nrussia will colapse after this.. not sure whom will be in power then....",
">\n\n🇷🇺 is a Terrorist state",
">\n\nPutin is evil.",
">\n\nIf you gave me a gun with two bullets and put me in a room with Putin, Hitler, and Bin-Laden, I’d shoot all of them several times (I brought my own gun too)."
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.",
">\n\nRussia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back",
">\n\nCowards",
">\n\nYea look at how the blitz turned out, real win for Germany that was\nWhat’s the point of this, why is Russia doing this what’s the strategic angle",
">\n\nI swear I saw something just too days ago that the kremlin was basically begging for a peace, and yet they continue to act like a spoiled 12yo at McDonalds that didn't get their happy heal.",
">\n\nIf Russia doesn't demilitarize, Ukraine will do it for them.",
">\n\nI don't care anymore if Russia ceases to exist, I only hope the Russian people eventually stand up for what's right, so they don't all have to die with it.",
">\n\nRussia> \"we want to come to the negotiation table\"\nAlso Russia> Pelts Ukraine with billions of rubles of missiles",
">\n\nMy cousin and his wife are there and they're medic, it's been 5 months now he hasn't contacted me or his family yet, last time we spoke he was in lviv.",
">\n\nOk, so now it's really time to stop delaying the inevitable... The west need to get properly involved now. Yes it brings risk, but like I said I think it's inevitable eventually.",
">\n\nman fuck putin",
">\n\nFuck putin and all Russia apologists across the globe. Death to fascists!",
">\n\nthose psychopaths illegaly invading Ukraine a sovereign country ... I pray for Ukrainians. Strong people.\nrussia will colapse after this.. not sure whom will be in power then....",
">\n\n🇷🇺 is a Terrorist state",
">\n\nPutin is evil.",
">\n\nIf you gave me a gun with two bullets and put me in a room with Putin, Hitler, and Bin-Laden, I’d shoot all of them several times (I brought my own gun too).",
">\n\nI’d shoot Toby twice."
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.",
">\n\nRussia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back",
">\n\nCowards",
">\n\nYea look at how the blitz turned out, real win for Germany that was\nWhat’s the point of this, why is Russia doing this what’s the strategic angle",
">\n\nI swear I saw something just too days ago that the kremlin was basically begging for a peace, and yet they continue to act like a spoiled 12yo at McDonalds that didn't get their happy heal.",
">\n\nIf Russia doesn't demilitarize, Ukraine will do it for them.",
">\n\nI don't care anymore if Russia ceases to exist, I only hope the Russian people eventually stand up for what's right, so they don't all have to die with it.",
">\n\nRussia> \"we want to come to the negotiation table\"\nAlso Russia> Pelts Ukraine with billions of rubles of missiles",
">\n\nMy cousin and his wife are there and they're medic, it's been 5 months now he hasn't contacted me or his family yet, last time we spoke he was in lviv.",
">\n\nOk, so now it's really time to stop delaying the inevitable... The west need to get properly involved now. Yes it brings risk, but like I said I think it's inevitable eventually.",
">\n\nman fuck putin",
">\n\nFuck putin and all Russia apologists across the globe. Death to fascists!",
">\n\nthose psychopaths illegaly invading Ukraine a sovereign country ... I pray for Ukrainians. Strong people.\nrussia will colapse after this.. not sure whom will be in power then....",
">\n\n🇷🇺 is a Terrorist state",
">\n\nPutin is evil.",
">\n\nIf you gave me a gun with two bullets and put me in a room with Putin, Hitler, and Bin-Laden, I’d shoot all of them several times (I brought my own gun too).",
">\n\nI’d shoot Toby twice.",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state."
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The Russian state is a fucking cancer. What an absolute joke and embarrassment to humanity.
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.",
">\n\nRussia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back",
">\n\nCowards",
">\n\nYea look at how the blitz turned out, real win for Germany that was\nWhat’s the point of this, why is Russia doing this what’s the strategic angle",
">\n\nI swear I saw something just too days ago that the kremlin was basically begging for a peace, and yet they continue to act like a spoiled 12yo at McDonalds that didn't get their happy heal.",
">\n\nIf Russia doesn't demilitarize, Ukraine will do it for them.",
">\n\nI don't care anymore if Russia ceases to exist, I only hope the Russian people eventually stand up for what's right, so they don't all have to die with it.",
">\n\nRussia> \"we want to come to the negotiation table\"\nAlso Russia> Pelts Ukraine with billions of rubles of missiles",
">\n\nMy cousin and his wife are there and they're medic, it's been 5 months now he hasn't contacted me or his family yet, last time we spoke he was in lviv.",
">\n\nOk, so now it's really time to stop delaying the inevitable... The west need to get properly involved now. Yes it brings risk, but like I said I think it's inevitable eventually.",
">\n\nman fuck putin",
">\n\nFuck putin and all Russia apologists across the globe. Death to fascists!",
">\n\nthose psychopaths illegaly invading Ukraine a sovereign country ... I pray for Ukrainians. Strong people.\nrussia will colapse after this.. not sure whom will be in power then....",
">\n\n🇷🇺 is a Terrorist state",
">\n\nPutin is evil.",
">\n\nIf you gave me a gun with two bullets and put me in a room with Putin, Hitler, and Bin-Laden, I’d shoot all of them several times (I brought my own gun too).",
">\n\nI’d shoot Toby twice.",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state.",
">\n\nWhY wONt UkRaiNE nEgOTiaTe peACe WiTh uS?"
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Russia: We sending missles to demilitarize your country! Now we are demanding peace talks!
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.",
">\n\nRussia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back",
">\n\nCowards",
">\n\nYea look at how the blitz turned out, real win for Germany that was\nWhat’s the point of this, why is Russia doing this what’s the strategic angle",
">\n\nI swear I saw something just too days ago that the kremlin was basically begging for a peace, and yet they continue to act like a spoiled 12yo at McDonalds that didn't get their happy heal.",
">\n\nIf Russia doesn't demilitarize, Ukraine will do it for them.",
">\n\nI don't care anymore if Russia ceases to exist, I only hope the Russian people eventually stand up for what's right, so they don't all have to die with it.",
">\n\nRussia> \"we want to come to the negotiation table\"\nAlso Russia> Pelts Ukraine with billions of rubles of missiles",
">\n\nMy cousin and his wife are there and they're medic, it's been 5 months now he hasn't contacted me or his family yet, last time we spoke he was in lviv.",
">\n\nOk, so now it's really time to stop delaying the inevitable... The west need to get properly involved now. Yes it brings risk, but like I said I think it's inevitable eventually.",
">\n\nman fuck putin",
">\n\nFuck putin and all Russia apologists across the globe. Death to fascists!",
">\n\nthose psychopaths illegaly invading Ukraine a sovereign country ... I pray for Ukrainians. Strong people.\nrussia will colapse after this.. not sure whom will be in power then....",
">\n\n🇷🇺 is a Terrorist state",
">\n\nPutin is evil.",
">\n\nIf you gave me a gun with two bullets and put me in a room with Putin, Hitler, and Bin-Laden, I’d shoot all of them several times (I brought my own gun too).",
">\n\nI’d shoot Toby twice.",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state.",
">\n\nWhY wONt UkRaiNE nEgOTiaTe peACe WiTh uS?",
">\n\nThe Russian state is a fucking cancer. What an absolute joke and embarrassment to humanity."
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Fuck Russia. I’m so sick of this shit.
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.",
">\n\nRussia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back",
">\n\nCowards",
">\n\nYea look at how the blitz turned out, real win for Germany that was\nWhat’s the point of this, why is Russia doing this what’s the strategic angle",
">\n\nI swear I saw something just too days ago that the kremlin was basically begging for a peace, and yet they continue to act like a spoiled 12yo at McDonalds that didn't get their happy heal.",
">\n\nIf Russia doesn't demilitarize, Ukraine will do it for them.",
">\n\nI don't care anymore if Russia ceases to exist, I only hope the Russian people eventually stand up for what's right, so they don't all have to die with it.",
">\n\nRussia> \"we want to come to the negotiation table\"\nAlso Russia> Pelts Ukraine with billions of rubles of missiles",
">\n\nMy cousin and his wife are there and they're medic, it's been 5 months now he hasn't contacted me or his family yet, last time we spoke he was in lviv.",
">\n\nOk, so now it's really time to stop delaying the inevitable... The west need to get properly involved now. Yes it brings risk, but like I said I think it's inevitable eventually.",
">\n\nman fuck putin",
">\n\nFuck putin and all Russia apologists across the globe. Death to fascists!",
">\n\nthose psychopaths illegaly invading Ukraine a sovereign country ... I pray for Ukrainians. Strong people.\nrussia will colapse after this.. not sure whom will be in power then....",
">\n\n🇷🇺 is a Terrorist state",
">\n\nPutin is evil.",
">\n\nIf you gave me a gun with two bullets and put me in a room with Putin, Hitler, and Bin-Laden, I’d shoot all of them several times (I brought my own gun too).",
">\n\nI’d shoot Toby twice.",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state.",
">\n\nWhY wONt UkRaiNE nEgOTiaTe peACe WiTh uS?",
">\n\nThe Russian state is a fucking cancer. What an absolute joke and embarrassment to humanity.",
">\n\nRussia: We sending missles to demilitarize your country! Now we are demanding peace talks!"
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.",
">\n\nRussia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back",
">\n\nCowards",
">\n\nYea look at how the blitz turned out, real win for Germany that was\nWhat’s the point of this, why is Russia doing this what’s the strategic angle",
">\n\nI swear I saw something just too days ago that the kremlin was basically begging for a peace, and yet they continue to act like a spoiled 12yo at McDonalds that didn't get their happy heal.",
">\n\nIf Russia doesn't demilitarize, Ukraine will do it for them.",
">\n\nI don't care anymore if Russia ceases to exist, I only hope the Russian people eventually stand up for what's right, so they don't all have to die with it.",
">\n\nRussia> \"we want to come to the negotiation table\"\nAlso Russia> Pelts Ukraine with billions of rubles of missiles",
">\n\nMy cousin and his wife are there and they're medic, it's been 5 months now he hasn't contacted me or his family yet, last time we spoke he was in lviv.",
">\n\nOk, so now it's really time to stop delaying the inevitable... The west need to get properly involved now. Yes it brings risk, but like I said I think it's inevitable eventually.",
">\n\nman fuck putin",
">\n\nFuck putin and all Russia apologists across the globe. Death to fascists!",
">\n\nthose psychopaths illegaly invading Ukraine a sovereign country ... I pray for Ukrainians. Strong people.\nrussia will colapse after this.. not sure whom will be in power then....",
">\n\n🇷🇺 is a Terrorist state",
">\n\nPutin is evil.",
">\n\nIf you gave me a gun with two bullets and put me in a room with Putin, Hitler, and Bin-Laden, I’d shoot all of them several times (I brought my own gun too).",
">\n\nI’d shoot Toby twice.",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state.",
">\n\nWhY wONt UkRaiNE nEgOTiaTe peACe WiTh uS?",
">\n\nThe Russian state is a fucking cancer. What an absolute joke and embarrassment to humanity.",
">\n\nRussia: We sending missles to demilitarize your country! Now we are demanding peace talks!",
">\n\nFuck Russia. I’m so sick of this shit."
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.",
">\n\nRussia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back",
">\n\nCowards",
">\n\nYea look at how the blitz turned out, real win for Germany that was\nWhat’s the point of this, why is Russia doing this what’s the strategic angle",
">\n\nI swear I saw something just too days ago that the kremlin was basically begging for a peace, and yet they continue to act like a spoiled 12yo at McDonalds that didn't get their happy heal.",
">\n\nIf Russia doesn't demilitarize, Ukraine will do it for them.",
">\n\nI don't care anymore if Russia ceases to exist, I only hope the Russian people eventually stand up for what's right, so they don't all have to die with it.",
">\n\nRussia> \"we want to come to the negotiation table\"\nAlso Russia> Pelts Ukraine with billions of rubles of missiles",
">\n\nMy cousin and his wife are there and they're medic, it's been 5 months now he hasn't contacted me or his family yet, last time we spoke he was in lviv.",
">\n\nOk, so now it's really time to stop delaying the inevitable... The west need to get properly involved now. Yes it brings risk, but like I said I think it's inevitable eventually.",
">\n\nman fuck putin",
">\n\nFuck putin and all Russia apologists across the globe. Death to fascists!",
">\n\nthose psychopaths illegaly invading Ukraine a sovereign country ... I pray for Ukrainians. Strong people.\nrussia will colapse after this.. not sure whom will be in power then....",
">\n\n🇷🇺 is a Terrorist state",
">\n\nPutin is evil.",
">\n\nIf you gave me a gun with two bullets and put me in a room with Putin, Hitler, and Bin-Laden, I’d shoot all of them several times (I brought my own gun too).",
">\n\nI’d shoot Toby twice.",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state.",
">\n\nWhY wONt UkRaiNE nEgOTiaTe peACe WiTh uS?",
">\n\nThe Russian state is a fucking cancer. What an absolute joke and embarrassment to humanity.",
">\n\nRussia: We sending missles to demilitarize your country! Now we are demanding peace talks!",
">\n\nFuck Russia. I’m so sick of this shit.",
">\n\nPutin is on track to go down as one of the great mass murderers in history. He isn't in the top 10 yet, but he's on his way."
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Time for Ukraine to send missiles to Moscow.
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[
"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.",
">\n\nRussia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back",
">\n\nCowards",
">\n\nYea look at how the blitz turned out, real win for Germany that was\nWhat’s the point of this, why is Russia doing this what’s the strategic angle",
">\n\nI swear I saw something just too days ago that the kremlin was basically begging for a peace, and yet they continue to act like a spoiled 12yo at McDonalds that didn't get their happy heal.",
">\n\nIf Russia doesn't demilitarize, Ukraine will do it for them.",
">\n\nI don't care anymore if Russia ceases to exist, I only hope the Russian people eventually stand up for what's right, so they don't all have to die with it.",
">\n\nRussia> \"we want to come to the negotiation table\"\nAlso Russia> Pelts Ukraine with billions of rubles of missiles",
">\n\nMy cousin and his wife are there and they're medic, it's been 5 months now he hasn't contacted me or his family yet, last time we spoke he was in lviv.",
">\n\nOk, so now it's really time to stop delaying the inevitable... The west need to get properly involved now. Yes it brings risk, but like I said I think it's inevitable eventually.",
">\n\nman fuck putin",
">\n\nFuck putin and all Russia apologists across the globe. Death to fascists!",
">\n\nthose psychopaths illegaly invading Ukraine a sovereign country ... I pray for Ukrainians. Strong people.\nrussia will colapse after this.. not sure whom will be in power then....",
">\n\n🇷🇺 is a Terrorist state",
">\n\nPutin is evil.",
">\n\nIf you gave me a gun with two bullets and put me in a room with Putin, Hitler, and Bin-Laden, I’d shoot all of them several times (I brought my own gun too).",
">\n\nI’d shoot Toby twice.",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state.",
">\n\nWhY wONt UkRaiNE nEgOTiaTe peACe WiTh uS?",
">\n\nThe Russian state is a fucking cancer. What an absolute joke and embarrassment to humanity.",
">\n\nRussia: We sending missles to demilitarize your country! Now we are demanding peace talks!",
">\n\nFuck Russia. I’m so sick of this shit.",
">\n\nPutin is on track to go down as one of the great mass murderers in history. He isn't in the top 10 yet, but he's on his way.",
">\n\nWho's selling the rockets to Ruzzia? Iran? China?"
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Putin's war is officially a failure as today is the 100th anniversary of the creation of the Soviet Union and was to be the day he planned to present the reconstituted borders of the old Soviet Union. Trump was to have pulled the US out of NATO at the last minute before the war started leaving Europe alone in defending Ukraine. With little defenses and no real NATO Russia was to have marched on to retake all the old soviet states in a glorious rewriting of history which Putin called the the worst geopolitical tragedy of the century and blamed the previous Russian leadership for allowing it to happen.
Today, Putin's grand plan is in tatters. And the writing is on the wall. All the walls, actually.
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.",
">\n\nRussia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back",
">\n\nCowards",
">\n\nYea look at how the blitz turned out, real win for Germany that was\nWhat’s the point of this, why is Russia doing this what’s the strategic angle",
">\n\nI swear I saw something just too days ago that the kremlin was basically begging for a peace, and yet they continue to act like a spoiled 12yo at McDonalds that didn't get their happy heal.",
">\n\nIf Russia doesn't demilitarize, Ukraine will do it for them.",
">\n\nI don't care anymore if Russia ceases to exist, I only hope the Russian people eventually stand up for what's right, so they don't all have to die with it.",
">\n\nRussia> \"we want to come to the negotiation table\"\nAlso Russia> Pelts Ukraine with billions of rubles of missiles",
">\n\nMy cousin and his wife are there and they're medic, it's been 5 months now he hasn't contacted me or his family yet, last time we spoke he was in lviv.",
">\n\nOk, so now it's really time to stop delaying the inevitable... The west need to get properly involved now. Yes it brings risk, but like I said I think it's inevitable eventually.",
">\n\nman fuck putin",
">\n\nFuck putin and all Russia apologists across the globe. Death to fascists!",
">\n\nthose psychopaths illegaly invading Ukraine a sovereign country ... I pray for Ukrainians. Strong people.\nrussia will colapse after this.. not sure whom will be in power then....",
">\n\n🇷🇺 is a Terrorist state",
">\n\nPutin is evil.",
">\n\nIf you gave me a gun with two bullets and put me in a room with Putin, Hitler, and Bin-Laden, I’d shoot all of them several times (I brought my own gun too).",
">\n\nI’d shoot Toby twice.",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state.",
">\n\nWhY wONt UkRaiNE nEgOTiaTe peACe WiTh uS?",
">\n\nThe Russian state is a fucking cancer. What an absolute joke and embarrassment to humanity.",
">\n\nRussia: We sending missles to demilitarize your country! Now we are demanding peace talks!",
">\n\nFuck Russia. I’m so sick of this shit.",
">\n\nPutin is on track to go down as one of the great mass murderers in history. He isn't in the top 10 yet, but he's on his way.",
">\n\nWho's selling the rockets to Ruzzia? Iran? China?",
">\n\nTime for Ukraine to send missiles to Moscow."
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and was to be the day he planned to present the reconstituted borders of the old Soviet Union
Source?
Trump was to have pulled the US out of NATO at the last minute before the war started leaving Europe alone in defending Ukraine
Again, source?
Actually Nevermind, you don’t have any. Just bullshit.
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.",
">\n\nRussia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back",
">\n\nCowards",
">\n\nYea look at how the blitz turned out, real win for Germany that was\nWhat’s the point of this, why is Russia doing this what’s the strategic angle",
">\n\nI swear I saw something just too days ago that the kremlin was basically begging for a peace, and yet they continue to act like a spoiled 12yo at McDonalds that didn't get their happy heal.",
">\n\nIf Russia doesn't demilitarize, Ukraine will do it for them.",
">\n\nI don't care anymore if Russia ceases to exist, I only hope the Russian people eventually stand up for what's right, so they don't all have to die with it.",
">\n\nRussia> \"we want to come to the negotiation table\"\nAlso Russia> Pelts Ukraine with billions of rubles of missiles",
">\n\nMy cousin and his wife are there and they're medic, it's been 5 months now he hasn't contacted me or his family yet, last time we spoke he was in lviv.",
">\n\nOk, so now it's really time to stop delaying the inevitable... The west need to get properly involved now. Yes it brings risk, but like I said I think it's inevitable eventually.",
">\n\nman fuck putin",
">\n\nFuck putin and all Russia apologists across the globe. Death to fascists!",
">\n\nthose psychopaths illegaly invading Ukraine a sovereign country ... I pray for Ukrainians. Strong people.\nrussia will colapse after this.. not sure whom will be in power then....",
">\n\n🇷🇺 is a Terrorist state",
">\n\nPutin is evil.",
">\n\nIf you gave me a gun with two bullets and put me in a room with Putin, Hitler, and Bin-Laden, I’d shoot all of them several times (I brought my own gun too).",
">\n\nI’d shoot Toby twice.",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state.",
">\n\nWhY wONt UkRaiNE nEgOTiaTe peACe WiTh uS?",
">\n\nThe Russian state is a fucking cancer. What an absolute joke and embarrassment to humanity.",
">\n\nRussia: We sending missles to demilitarize your country! Now we are demanding peace talks!",
">\n\nFuck Russia. I’m so sick of this shit.",
">\n\nPutin is on track to go down as one of the great mass murderers in history. He isn't in the top 10 yet, but he's on his way.",
">\n\nWho's selling the rockets to Ruzzia? Iran? China?",
">\n\nTime for Ukraine to send missiles to Moscow.",
">\n\nPutin's war is officially a failure as today is the 100th anniversary of the creation of the Soviet Union and was to be the day he planned to present the reconstituted borders of the old Soviet Union. Trump was to have pulled the US out of NATO at the last minute before the war started leaving Europe alone in defending Ukraine. With little defenses and no real NATO Russia was to have marched on to retake all the old soviet states in a glorious rewriting of history which Putin called the the worst geopolitical tragedy of the century and blamed the previous Russian leadership for allowing it to happen.\nToday, Putin's grand plan is in tatters. And the writing is on the wall. All the walls, actually."
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Do you somehow don’t think that Trump liked NATO? The guy who said he didn’t know if he would support defending smaller nations.
The guy who 4 months into his term shared top secret intel with the Russian ambassador.
The guy who was still pursuing a Trump branded property in Moscow while campaigning for president?
The guy who couldn’t help but praise Putin at every turn?
The guy who asked the CIA to share Middle East counterintelligence intel with the FSB with nothing expected in return because he only makes the best deals and is such the good negotiator?
The guy who couldn’t help but declare Putin a genius for invading Ukraine, again.
The guy who ran anti-NATO ads in the 80’s after a visit to the USSR?
That guy?
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.",
">\n\nRussia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back",
">\n\nCowards",
">\n\nYea look at how the blitz turned out, real win for Germany that was\nWhat’s the point of this, why is Russia doing this what’s the strategic angle",
">\n\nI swear I saw something just too days ago that the kremlin was basically begging for a peace, and yet they continue to act like a spoiled 12yo at McDonalds that didn't get their happy heal.",
">\n\nIf Russia doesn't demilitarize, Ukraine will do it for them.",
">\n\nI don't care anymore if Russia ceases to exist, I only hope the Russian people eventually stand up for what's right, so they don't all have to die with it.",
">\n\nRussia> \"we want to come to the negotiation table\"\nAlso Russia> Pelts Ukraine with billions of rubles of missiles",
">\n\nMy cousin and his wife are there and they're medic, it's been 5 months now he hasn't contacted me or his family yet, last time we spoke he was in lviv.",
">\n\nOk, so now it's really time to stop delaying the inevitable... The west need to get properly involved now. Yes it brings risk, but like I said I think it's inevitable eventually.",
">\n\nman fuck putin",
">\n\nFuck putin and all Russia apologists across the globe. Death to fascists!",
">\n\nthose psychopaths illegaly invading Ukraine a sovereign country ... I pray for Ukrainians. Strong people.\nrussia will colapse after this.. not sure whom will be in power then....",
">\n\n🇷🇺 is a Terrorist state",
">\n\nPutin is evil.",
">\n\nIf you gave me a gun with two bullets and put me in a room with Putin, Hitler, and Bin-Laden, I’d shoot all of them several times (I brought my own gun too).",
">\n\nI’d shoot Toby twice.",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state.",
">\n\nWhY wONt UkRaiNE nEgOTiaTe peACe WiTh uS?",
">\n\nThe Russian state is a fucking cancer. What an absolute joke and embarrassment to humanity.",
">\n\nRussia: We sending missles to demilitarize your country! Now we are demanding peace talks!",
">\n\nFuck Russia. I’m so sick of this shit.",
">\n\nPutin is on track to go down as one of the great mass murderers in history. He isn't in the top 10 yet, but he's on his way.",
">\n\nWho's selling the rockets to Ruzzia? Iran? China?",
">\n\nTime for Ukraine to send missiles to Moscow.",
">\n\nPutin's war is officially a failure as today is the 100th anniversary of the creation of the Soviet Union and was to be the day he planned to present the reconstituted borders of the old Soviet Union. Trump was to have pulled the US out of NATO at the last minute before the war started leaving Europe alone in defending Ukraine. With little defenses and no real NATO Russia was to have marched on to retake all the old soviet states in a glorious rewriting of history which Putin called the the worst geopolitical tragedy of the century and blamed the previous Russian leadership for allowing it to happen.\nToday, Putin's grand plan is in tatters. And the writing is on the wall. All the walls, actually.",
">\n\n\nand was to be the day he planned to present the reconstituted borders of the old Soviet Union\n\nSource?\n\nTrump was to have pulled the US out of NATO at the last minute before the war started leaving Europe alone in defending Ukraine\n\nAgain, source?\nActually Nevermind, you don’t have any. Just bullshit."
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Enough is enough Ukraine needs to start shooting some missiles into Russia. They have to stop being afraid of angering the Russian people. All the smart ones have left. Start firing away.
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.",
">\n\nRussia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back",
">\n\nCowards",
">\n\nYea look at how the blitz turned out, real win for Germany that was\nWhat’s the point of this, why is Russia doing this what’s the strategic angle",
">\n\nI swear I saw something just too days ago that the kremlin was basically begging for a peace, and yet they continue to act like a spoiled 12yo at McDonalds that didn't get their happy heal.",
">\n\nIf Russia doesn't demilitarize, Ukraine will do it for them.",
">\n\nI don't care anymore if Russia ceases to exist, I only hope the Russian people eventually stand up for what's right, so they don't all have to die with it.",
">\n\nRussia> \"we want to come to the negotiation table\"\nAlso Russia> Pelts Ukraine with billions of rubles of missiles",
">\n\nMy cousin and his wife are there and they're medic, it's been 5 months now he hasn't contacted me or his family yet, last time we spoke he was in lviv.",
">\n\nOk, so now it's really time to stop delaying the inevitable... The west need to get properly involved now. Yes it brings risk, but like I said I think it's inevitable eventually.",
">\n\nman fuck putin",
">\n\nFuck putin and all Russia apologists across the globe. Death to fascists!",
">\n\nthose psychopaths illegaly invading Ukraine a sovereign country ... I pray for Ukrainians. Strong people.\nrussia will colapse after this.. not sure whom will be in power then....",
">\n\n🇷🇺 is a Terrorist state",
">\n\nPutin is evil.",
">\n\nIf you gave me a gun with two bullets and put me in a room with Putin, Hitler, and Bin-Laden, I’d shoot all of them several times (I brought my own gun too).",
">\n\nI’d shoot Toby twice.",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state.",
">\n\nWhY wONt UkRaiNE nEgOTiaTe peACe WiTh uS?",
">\n\nThe Russian state is a fucking cancer. What an absolute joke and embarrassment to humanity.",
">\n\nRussia: We sending missles to demilitarize your country! Now we are demanding peace talks!",
">\n\nFuck Russia. I’m so sick of this shit.",
">\n\nPutin is on track to go down as one of the great mass murderers in history. He isn't in the top 10 yet, but he's on his way.",
">\n\nWho's selling the rockets to Ruzzia? Iran? China?",
">\n\nTime for Ukraine to send missiles to Moscow.",
">\n\nPutin's war is officially a failure as today is the 100th anniversary of the creation of the Soviet Union and was to be the day he planned to present the reconstituted borders of the old Soviet Union. Trump was to have pulled the US out of NATO at the last minute before the war started leaving Europe alone in defending Ukraine. With little defenses and no real NATO Russia was to have marched on to retake all the old soviet states in a glorious rewriting of history which Putin called the the worst geopolitical tragedy of the century and blamed the previous Russian leadership for allowing it to happen.\nToday, Putin's grand plan is in tatters. And the writing is on the wall. All the walls, actually.",
">\n\n\nand was to be the day he planned to present the reconstituted borders of the old Soviet Union\n\nSource?\n\nTrump was to have pulled the US out of NATO at the last minute before the war started leaving Europe alone in defending Ukraine\n\nAgain, source?\nActually Nevermind, you don’t have any. Just bullshit.",
">\n\nDo you somehow don’t think that Trump liked NATO? The guy who said he didn’t know if he would support defending smaller nations.\nThe guy who 4 months into his term shared top secret intel with the Russian ambassador.\nThe guy who was still pursuing a Trump branded property in Moscow while campaigning for president?\nThe guy who couldn’t help but praise Putin at every turn?\nThe guy who asked the CIA to share Middle East counterintelligence intel with the FSB with nothing expected in return because he only makes the best deals and is such the good negotiator?\nThe guy who couldn’t help but declare Putin a genius for invading Ukraine, again.\nThe guy who ran anti-NATO ads in the 80’s after a visit to the USSR?\nThat guy?"
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Really going for full Nazi Germany on the UK terror bombing.
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.",
">\n\nRussia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back",
">\n\nCowards",
">\n\nYea look at how the blitz turned out, real win for Germany that was\nWhat’s the point of this, why is Russia doing this what’s the strategic angle",
">\n\nI swear I saw something just too days ago that the kremlin was basically begging for a peace, and yet they continue to act like a spoiled 12yo at McDonalds that didn't get their happy heal.",
">\n\nIf Russia doesn't demilitarize, Ukraine will do it for them.",
">\n\nI don't care anymore if Russia ceases to exist, I only hope the Russian people eventually stand up for what's right, so they don't all have to die with it.",
">\n\nRussia> \"we want to come to the negotiation table\"\nAlso Russia> Pelts Ukraine with billions of rubles of missiles",
">\n\nMy cousin and his wife are there and they're medic, it's been 5 months now he hasn't contacted me or his family yet, last time we spoke he was in lviv.",
">\n\nOk, so now it's really time to stop delaying the inevitable... The west need to get properly involved now. Yes it brings risk, but like I said I think it's inevitable eventually.",
">\n\nman fuck putin",
">\n\nFuck putin and all Russia apologists across the globe. Death to fascists!",
">\n\nthose psychopaths illegaly invading Ukraine a sovereign country ... I pray for Ukrainians. Strong people.\nrussia will colapse after this.. not sure whom will be in power then....",
">\n\n🇷🇺 is a Terrorist state",
">\n\nPutin is evil.",
">\n\nIf you gave me a gun with two bullets and put me in a room with Putin, Hitler, and Bin-Laden, I’d shoot all of them several times (I brought my own gun too).",
">\n\nI’d shoot Toby twice.",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state.",
">\n\nWhY wONt UkRaiNE nEgOTiaTe peACe WiTh uS?",
">\n\nThe Russian state is a fucking cancer. What an absolute joke and embarrassment to humanity.",
">\n\nRussia: We sending missles to demilitarize your country! Now we are demanding peace talks!",
">\n\nFuck Russia. I’m so sick of this shit.",
">\n\nPutin is on track to go down as one of the great mass murderers in history. He isn't in the top 10 yet, but he's on his way.",
">\n\nWho's selling the rockets to Ruzzia? Iran? China?",
">\n\nTime for Ukraine to send missiles to Moscow.",
">\n\nPutin's war is officially a failure as today is the 100th anniversary of the creation of the Soviet Union and was to be the day he planned to present the reconstituted borders of the old Soviet Union. Trump was to have pulled the US out of NATO at the last minute before the war started leaving Europe alone in defending Ukraine. With little defenses and no real NATO Russia was to have marched on to retake all the old soviet states in a glorious rewriting of history which Putin called the the worst geopolitical tragedy of the century and blamed the previous Russian leadership for allowing it to happen.\nToday, Putin's grand plan is in tatters. And the writing is on the wall. All the walls, actually.",
">\n\n\nand was to be the day he planned to present the reconstituted borders of the old Soviet Union\n\nSource?\n\nTrump was to have pulled the US out of NATO at the last minute before the war started leaving Europe alone in defending Ukraine\n\nAgain, source?\nActually Nevermind, you don’t have any. Just bullshit.",
">\n\nDo you somehow don’t think that Trump liked NATO? The guy who said he didn’t know if he would support defending smaller nations.\nThe guy who 4 months into his term shared top secret intel with the Russian ambassador.\nThe guy who was still pursuing a Trump branded property in Moscow while campaigning for president?\nThe guy who couldn’t help but praise Putin at every turn?\nThe guy who asked the CIA to share Middle East counterintelligence intel with the FSB with nothing expected in return because he only makes the best deals and is such the good negotiator?\nThe guy who couldn’t help but declare Putin a genius for invading Ukraine, again.\nThe guy who ran anti-NATO ads in the 80’s after a visit to the USSR?\nThat guy?",
">\n\nEnough is enough Ukraine needs to start shooting some missiles into Russia. They have to stop being afraid of angering the Russian people. All the smart ones have left. Start firing away."
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So this has been going on almost a year at this point. Genuine question..: can nobody get involved like period? I feel like we just keep watching the Ukraine get fucked up week after week and just go...."Sad"
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.",
">\n\nRussia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back",
">\n\nCowards",
">\n\nYea look at how the blitz turned out, real win for Germany that was\nWhat’s the point of this, why is Russia doing this what’s the strategic angle",
">\n\nI swear I saw something just too days ago that the kremlin was basically begging for a peace, and yet they continue to act like a spoiled 12yo at McDonalds that didn't get their happy heal.",
">\n\nIf Russia doesn't demilitarize, Ukraine will do it for them.",
">\n\nI don't care anymore if Russia ceases to exist, I only hope the Russian people eventually stand up for what's right, so they don't all have to die with it.",
">\n\nRussia> \"we want to come to the negotiation table\"\nAlso Russia> Pelts Ukraine with billions of rubles of missiles",
">\n\nMy cousin and his wife are there and they're medic, it's been 5 months now he hasn't contacted me or his family yet, last time we spoke he was in lviv.",
">\n\nOk, so now it's really time to stop delaying the inevitable... The west need to get properly involved now. Yes it brings risk, but like I said I think it's inevitable eventually.",
">\n\nman fuck putin",
">\n\nFuck putin and all Russia apologists across the globe. Death to fascists!",
">\n\nthose psychopaths illegaly invading Ukraine a sovereign country ... I pray for Ukrainians. Strong people.\nrussia will colapse after this.. not sure whom will be in power then....",
">\n\n🇷🇺 is a Terrorist state",
">\n\nPutin is evil.",
">\n\nIf you gave me a gun with two bullets and put me in a room with Putin, Hitler, and Bin-Laden, I’d shoot all of them several times (I brought my own gun too).",
">\n\nI’d shoot Toby twice.",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state.",
">\n\nWhY wONt UkRaiNE nEgOTiaTe peACe WiTh uS?",
">\n\nThe Russian state is a fucking cancer. What an absolute joke and embarrassment to humanity.",
">\n\nRussia: We sending missles to demilitarize your country! Now we are demanding peace talks!",
">\n\nFuck Russia. I’m so sick of this shit.",
">\n\nPutin is on track to go down as one of the great mass murderers in history. He isn't in the top 10 yet, but he's on his way.",
">\n\nWho's selling the rockets to Ruzzia? Iran? China?",
">\n\nTime for Ukraine to send missiles to Moscow.",
">\n\nPutin's war is officially a failure as today is the 100th anniversary of the creation of the Soviet Union and was to be the day he planned to present the reconstituted borders of the old Soviet Union. Trump was to have pulled the US out of NATO at the last minute before the war started leaving Europe alone in defending Ukraine. With little defenses and no real NATO Russia was to have marched on to retake all the old soviet states in a glorious rewriting of history which Putin called the the worst geopolitical tragedy of the century and blamed the previous Russian leadership for allowing it to happen.\nToday, Putin's grand plan is in tatters. And the writing is on the wall. All the walls, actually.",
">\n\n\nand was to be the day he planned to present the reconstituted borders of the old Soviet Union\n\nSource?\n\nTrump was to have pulled the US out of NATO at the last minute before the war started leaving Europe alone in defending Ukraine\n\nAgain, source?\nActually Nevermind, you don’t have any. Just bullshit.",
">\n\nDo you somehow don’t think that Trump liked NATO? The guy who said he didn’t know if he would support defending smaller nations.\nThe guy who 4 months into his term shared top secret intel with the Russian ambassador.\nThe guy who was still pursuing a Trump branded property in Moscow while campaigning for president?\nThe guy who couldn’t help but praise Putin at every turn?\nThe guy who asked the CIA to share Middle East counterintelligence intel with the FSB with nothing expected in return because he only makes the best deals and is such the good negotiator?\nThe guy who couldn’t help but declare Putin a genius for invading Ukraine, again.\nThe guy who ran anti-NATO ads in the 80’s after a visit to the USSR?\nThat guy?",
">\n\nEnough is enough Ukraine needs to start shooting some missiles into Russia. They have to stop being afraid of angering the Russian people. All the smart ones have left. Start firing away.",
">\n\nReally going for full Nazi Germany on the UK terror bombing."
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Nobody is going to get involved directly because a) you’re risking nuclear conflict and b) basically no country wants to sacrifice their own soldiers in this conflict. And in the case of the USA, which is by far most powerful in NATO, they are shifting focus towards the Pacific anyway. China is a much greater long-term threat than Russia.
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.",
">\n\nRussia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back",
">\n\nCowards",
">\n\nYea look at how the blitz turned out, real win for Germany that was\nWhat’s the point of this, why is Russia doing this what’s the strategic angle",
">\n\nI swear I saw something just too days ago that the kremlin was basically begging for a peace, and yet they continue to act like a spoiled 12yo at McDonalds that didn't get their happy heal.",
">\n\nIf Russia doesn't demilitarize, Ukraine will do it for them.",
">\n\nI don't care anymore if Russia ceases to exist, I only hope the Russian people eventually stand up for what's right, so they don't all have to die with it.",
">\n\nRussia> \"we want to come to the negotiation table\"\nAlso Russia> Pelts Ukraine with billions of rubles of missiles",
">\n\nMy cousin and his wife are there and they're medic, it's been 5 months now he hasn't contacted me or his family yet, last time we spoke he was in lviv.",
">\n\nOk, so now it's really time to stop delaying the inevitable... The west need to get properly involved now. Yes it brings risk, but like I said I think it's inevitable eventually.",
">\n\nman fuck putin",
">\n\nFuck putin and all Russia apologists across the globe. Death to fascists!",
">\n\nthose psychopaths illegaly invading Ukraine a sovereign country ... I pray for Ukrainians. Strong people.\nrussia will colapse after this.. not sure whom will be in power then....",
">\n\n🇷🇺 is a Terrorist state",
">\n\nPutin is evil.",
">\n\nIf you gave me a gun with two bullets and put me in a room with Putin, Hitler, and Bin-Laden, I’d shoot all of them several times (I brought my own gun too).",
">\n\nI’d shoot Toby twice.",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state.",
">\n\nWhY wONt UkRaiNE nEgOTiaTe peACe WiTh uS?",
">\n\nThe Russian state is a fucking cancer. What an absolute joke and embarrassment to humanity.",
">\n\nRussia: We sending missles to demilitarize your country! Now we are demanding peace talks!",
">\n\nFuck Russia. I’m so sick of this shit.",
">\n\nPutin is on track to go down as one of the great mass murderers in history. He isn't in the top 10 yet, but he's on his way.",
">\n\nWho's selling the rockets to Ruzzia? Iran? China?",
">\n\nTime for Ukraine to send missiles to Moscow.",
">\n\nPutin's war is officially a failure as today is the 100th anniversary of the creation of the Soviet Union and was to be the day he planned to present the reconstituted borders of the old Soviet Union. Trump was to have pulled the US out of NATO at the last minute before the war started leaving Europe alone in defending Ukraine. With little defenses and no real NATO Russia was to have marched on to retake all the old soviet states in a glorious rewriting of history which Putin called the the worst geopolitical tragedy of the century and blamed the previous Russian leadership for allowing it to happen.\nToday, Putin's grand plan is in tatters. And the writing is on the wall. All the walls, actually.",
">\n\n\nand was to be the day he planned to present the reconstituted borders of the old Soviet Union\n\nSource?\n\nTrump was to have pulled the US out of NATO at the last minute before the war started leaving Europe alone in defending Ukraine\n\nAgain, source?\nActually Nevermind, you don’t have any. Just bullshit.",
">\n\nDo you somehow don’t think that Trump liked NATO? The guy who said he didn’t know if he would support defending smaller nations.\nThe guy who 4 months into his term shared top secret intel with the Russian ambassador.\nThe guy who was still pursuing a Trump branded property in Moscow while campaigning for president?\nThe guy who couldn’t help but praise Putin at every turn?\nThe guy who asked the CIA to share Middle East counterintelligence intel with the FSB with nothing expected in return because he only makes the best deals and is such the good negotiator?\nThe guy who couldn’t help but declare Putin a genius for invading Ukraine, again.\nThe guy who ran anti-NATO ads in the 80’s after a visit to the USSR?\nThat guy?",
">\n\nEnough is enough Ukraine needs to start shooting some missiles into Russia. They have to stop being afraid of angering the Russian people. All the smart ones have left. Start firing away.",
">\n\nReally going for full Nazi Germany on the UK terror bombing.",
">\n\nSo this has been going on almost a year at this point. Genuine question..: can nobody get involved like period? I feel like we just keep watching the Ukraine get fucked up week after week and just go....\"Sad\""
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I mean let's be honest, Russia won't fire a nuke at the US, it's suicide. But Iv been wondering about that, Ukraine is a sovereign nation, this isn't a civil war....it's totally valid for them to allow another county's military to operate in the borders of their own country. The US could provide air support within UA borders and not technically enter Russian territory. If we are being honest Russia wouldn't be able to do anything. Let the USAF do just 2 days of targeted bombing onto Russian bases within the Ukraine and it would break their entire line
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.",
">\n\nRussia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back",
">\n\nCowards",
">\n\nYea look at how the blitz turned out, real win for Germany that was\nWhat’s the point of this, why is Russia doing this what’s the strategic angle",
">\n\nI swear I saw something just too days ago that the kremlin was basically begging for a peace, and yet they continue to act like a spoiled 12yo at McDonalds that didn't get their happy heal.",
">\n\nIf Russia doesn't demilitarize, Ukraine will do it for them.",
">\n\nI don't care anymore if Russia ceases to exist, I only hope the Russian people eventually stand up for what's right, so they don't all have to die with it.",
">\n\nRussia> \"we want to come to the negotiation table\"\nAlso Russia> Pelts Ukraine with billions of rubles of missiles",
">\n\nMy cousin and his wife are there and they're medic, it's been 5 months now he hasn't contacted me or his family yet, last time we spoke he was in lviv.",
">\n\nOk, so now it's really time to stop delaying the inevitable... The west need to get properly involved now. Yes it brings risk, but like I said I think it's inevitable eventually.",
">\n\nman fuck putin",
">\n\nFuck putin and all Russia apologists across the globe. Death to fascists!",
">\n\nthose psychopaths illegaly invading Ukraine a sovereign country ... I pray for Ukrainians. Strong people.\nrussia will colapse after this.. not sure whom will be in power then....",
">\n\n🇷🇺 is a Terrorist state",
">\n\nPutin is evil.",
">\n\nIf you gave me a gun with two bullets and put me in a room with Putin, Hitler, and Bin-Laden, I’d shoot all of them several times (I brought my own gun too).",
">\n\nI’d shoot Toby twice.",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state.",
">\n\nWhY wONt UkRaiNE nEgOTiaTe peACe WiTh uS?",
">\n\nThe Russian state is a fucking cancer. What an absolute joke and embarrassment to humanity.",
">\n\nRussia: We sending missles to demilitarize your country! Now we are demanding peace talks!",
">\n\nFuck Russia. I’m so sick of this shit.",
">\n\nPutin is on track to go down as one of the great mass murderers in history. He isn't in the top 10 yet, but he's on his way.",
">\n\nWho's selling the rockets to Ruzzia? Iran? China?",
">\n\nTime for Ukraine to send missiles to Moscow.",
">\n\nPutin's war is officially a failure as today is the 100th anniversary of the creation of the Soviet Union and was to be the day he planned to present the reconstituted borders of the old Soviet Union. Trump was to have pulled the US out of NATO at the last minute before the war started leaving Europe alone in defending Ukraine. With little defenses and no real NATO Russia was to have marched on to retake all the old soviet states in a glorious rewriting of history which Putin called the the worst geopolitical tragedy of the century and blamed the previous Russian leadership for allowing it to happen.\nToday, Putin's grand plan is in tatters. And the writing is on the wall. All the walls, actually.",
">\n\n\nand was to be the day he planned to present the reconstituted borders of the old Soviet Union\n\nSource?\n\nTrump was to have pulled the US out of NATO at the last minute before the war started leaving Europe alone in defending Ukraine\n\nAgain, source?\nActually Nevermind, you don’t have any. Just bullshit.",
">\n\nDo you somehow don’t think that Trump liked NATO? The guy who said he didn’t know if he would support defending smaller nations.\nThe guy who 4 months into his term shared top secret intel with the Russian ambassador.\nThe guy who was still pursuing a Trump branded property in Moscow while campaigning for president?\nThe guy who couldn’t help but praise Putin at every turn?\nThe guy who asked the CIA to share Middle East counterintelligence intel with the FSB with nothing expected in return because he only makes the best deals and is such the good negotiator?\nThe guy who couldn’t help but declare Putin a genius for invading Ukraine, again.\nThe guy who ran anti-NATO ads in the 80’s after a visit to the USSR?\nThat guy?",
">\n\nEnough is enough Ukraine needs to start shooting some missiles into Russia. They have to stop being afraid of angering the Russian people. All the smart ones have left. Start firing away.",
">\n\nReally going for full Nazi Germany on the UK terror bombing.",
">\n\nSo this has been going on almost a year at this point. Genuine question..: can nobody get involved like period? I feel like we just keep watching the Ukraine get fucked up week after week and just go....\"Sad\"",
">\n\nNobody is going to get involved directly because a) you’re risking nuclear conflict and b) basically no country wants to sacrifice their own soldiers in this conflict. And in the case of the USA, which is by far most powerful in NATO, they are shifting focus towards the Pacific anyway. China is a much greater long-term threat than Russia."
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.",
">\n\nRussia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back",
">\n\nCowards",
">\n\nYea look at how the blitz turned out, real win for Germany that was\nWhat’s the point of this, why is Russia doing this what’s the strategic angle",
">\n\nI swear I saw something just too days ago that the kremlin was basically begging for a peace, and yet they continue to act like a spoiled 12yo at McDonalds that didn't get their happy heal.",
">\n\nIf Russia doesn't demilitarize, Ukraine will do it for them.",
">\n\nI don't care anymore if Russia ceases to exist, I only hope the Russian people eventually stand up for what's right, so they don't all have to die with it.",
">\n\nRussia> \"we want to come to the negotiation table\"\nAlso Russia> Pelts Ukraine with billions of rubles of missiles",
">\n\nMy cousin and his wife are there and they're medic, it's been 5 months now he hasn't contacted me or his family yet, last time we spoke he was in lviv.",
">\n\nOk, so now it's really time to stop delaying the inevitable... The west need to get properly involved now. Yes it brings risk, but like I said I think it's inevitable eventually.",
">\n\nman fuck putin",
">\n\nFuck putin and all Russia apologists across the globe. Death to fascists!",
">\n\nthose psychopaths illegaly invading Ukraine a sovereign country ... I pray for Ukrainians. Strong people.\nrussia will colapse after this.. not sure whom will be in power then....",
">\n\n🇷🇺 is a Terrorist state",
">\n\nPutin is evil.",
">\n\nIf you gave me a gun with two bullets and put me in a room with Putin, Hitler, and Bin-Laden, I’d shoot all of them several times (I brought my own gun too).",
">\n\nI’d shoot Toby twice.",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state.",
">\n\nWhY wONt UkRaiNE nEgOTiaTe peACe WiTh uS?",
">\n\nThe Russian state is a fucking cancer. What an absolute joke and embarrassment to humanity.",
">\n\nRussia: We sending missles to demilitarize your country! Now we are demanding peace talks!",
">\n\nFuck Russia. I’m so sick of this shit.",
">\n\nPutin is on track to go down as one of the great mass murderers in history. He isn't in the top 10 yet, but he's on his way.",
">\n\nWho's selling the rockets to Ruzzia? Iran? China?",
">\n\nTime for Ukraine to send missiles to Moscow.",
">\n\nPutin's war is officially a failure as today is the 100th anniversary of the creation of the Soviet Union and was to be the day he planned to present the reconstituted borders of the old Soviet Union. Trump was to have pulled the US out of NATO at the last minute before the war started leaving Europe alone in defending Ukraine. With little defenses and no real NATO Russia was to have marched on to retake all the old soviet states in a glorious rewriting of history which Putin called the the worst geopolitical tragedy of the century and blamed the previous Russian leadership for allowing it to happen.\nToday, Putin's grand plan is in tatters. And the writing is on the wall. All the walls, actually.",
">\n\n\nand was to be the day he planned to present the reconstituted borders of the old Soviet Union\n\nSource?\n\nTrump was to have pulled the US out of NATO at the last minute before the war started leaving Europe alone in defending Ukraine\n\nAgain, source?\nActually Nevermind, you don’t have any. Just bullshit.",
">\n\nDo you somehow don’t think that Trump liked NATO? The guy who said he didn’t know if he would support defending smaller nations.\nThe guy who 4 months into his term shared top secret intel with the Russian ambassador.\nThe guy who was still pursuing a Trump branded property in Moscow while campaigning for president?\nThe guy who couldn’t help but praise Putin at every turn?\nThe guy who asked the CIA to share Middle East counterintelligence intel with the FSB with nothing expected in return because he only makes the best deals and is such the good negotiator?\nThe guy who couldn’t help but declare Putin a genius for invading Ukraine, again.\nThe guy who ran anti-NATO ads in the 80’s after a visit to the USSR?\nThat guy?",
">\n\nEnough is enough Ukraine needs to start shooting some missiles into Russia. They have to stop being afraid of angering the Russian people. All the smart ones have left. Start firing away.",
">\n\nReally going for full Nazi Germany on the UK terror bombing.",
">\n\nSo this has been going on almost a year at this point. Genuine question..: can nobody get involved like period? I feel like we just keep watching the Ukraine get fucked up week after week and just go....\"Sad\"",
">\n\nNobody is going to get involved directly because a) you’re risking nuclear conflict and b) basically no country wants to sacrifice their own soldiers in this conflict. And in the case of the USA, which is by far most powerful in NATO, they are shifting focus towards the Pacific anyway. China is a much greater long-term threat than Russia.",
">\n\nI mean let's be honest, Russia won't fire a nuke at the US, it's suicide. But Iv been wondering about that, Ukraine is a sovereign nation, this isn't a civil war....it's totally valid for them to allow another county's military to operate in the borders of their own country. The US could provide air support within UA borders and not technically enter Russian territory. If we are being honest Russia wouldn't be able to do anything. Let the USAF do just 2 days of targeted bombing onto Russian bases within the Ukraine and it would break their entire line"
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Putler will very soon in the recent future rue the day he let this war be put into motion!
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.",
">\n\nRussia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back",
">\n\nCowards",
">\n\nYea look at how the blitz turned out, real win for Germany that was\nWhat’s the point of this, why is Russia doing this what’s the strategic angle",
">\n\nI swear I saw something just too days ago that the kremlin was basically begging for a peace, and yet they continue to act like a spoiled 12yo at McDonalds that didn't get their happy heal.",
">\n\nIf Russia doesn't demilitarize, Ukraine will do it for them.",
">\n\nI don't care anymore if Russia ceases to exist, I only hope the Russian people eventually stand up for what's right, so they don't all have to die with it.",
">\n\nRussia> \"we want to come to the negotiation table\"\nAlso Russia> Pelts Ukraine with billions of rubles of missiles",
">\n\nMy cousin and his wife are there and they're medic, it's been 5 months now he hasn't contacted me or his family yet, last time we spoke he was in lviv.",
">\n\nOk, so now it's really time to stop delaying the inevitable... The west need to get properly involved now. Yes it brings risk, but like I said I think it's inevitable eventually.",
">\n\nman fuck putin",
">\n\nFuck putin and all Russia apologists across the globe. Death to fascists!",
">\n\nthose psychopaths illegaly invading Ukraine a sovereign country ... I pray for Ukrainians. Strong people.\nrussia will colapse after this.. not sure whom will be in power then....",
">\n\n🇷🇺 is a Terrorist state",
">\n\nPutin is evil.",
">\n\nIf you gave me a gun with two bullets and put me in a room with Putin, Hitler, and Bin-Laden, I’d shoot all of them several times (I brought my own gun too).",
">\n\nI’d shoot Toby twice.",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state.",
">\n\nWhY wONt UkRaiNE nEgOTiaTe peACe WiTh uS?",
">\n\nThe Russian state is a fucking cancer. What an absolute joke and embarrassment to humanity.",
">\n\nRussia: We sending missles to demilitarize your country! Now we are demanding peace talks!",
">\n\nFuck Russia. I’m so sick of this shit.",
">\n\nPutin is on track to go down as one of the great mass murderers in history. He isn't in the top 10 yet, but he's on his way.",
">\n\nWho's selling the rockets to Ruzzia? Iran? China?",
">\n\nTime for Ukraine to send missiles to Moscow.",
">\n\nPutin's war is officially a failure as today is the 100th anniversary of the creation of the Soviet Union and was to be the day he planned to present the reconstituted borders of the old Soviet Union. Trump was to have pulled the US out of NATO at the last minute before the war started leaving Europe alone in defending Ukraine. With little defenses and no real NATO Russia was to have marched on to retake all the old soviet states in a glorious rewriting of history which Putin called the the worst geopolitical tragedy of the century and blamed the previous Russian leadership for allowing it to happen.\nToday, Putin's grand plan is in tatters. And the writing is on the wall. All the walls, actually.",
">\n\n\nand was to be the day he planned to present the reconstituted borders of the old Soviet Union\n\nSource?\n\nTrump was to have pulled the US out of NATO at the last minute before the war started leaving Europe alone in defending Ukraine\n\nAgain, source?\nActually Nevermind, you don’t have any. Just bullshit.",
">\n\nDo you somehow don’t think that Trump liked NATO? The guy who said he didn’t know if he would support defending smaller nations.\nThe guy who 4 months into his term shared top secret intel with the Russian ambassador.\nThe guy who was still pursuing a Trump branded property in Moscow while campaigning for president?\nThe guy who couldn’t help but praise Putin at every turn?\nThe guy who asked the CIA to share Middle East counterintelligence intel with the FSB with nothing expected in return because he only makes the best deals and is such the good negotiator?\nThe guy who couldn’t help but declare Putin a genius for invading Ukraine, again.\nThe guy who ran anti-NATO ads in the 80’s after a visit to the USSR?\nThat guy?",
">\n\nEnough is enough Ukraine needs to start shooting some missiles into Russia. They have to stop being afraid of angering the Russian people. All the smart ones have left. Start firing away.",
">\n\nReally going for full Nazi Germany on the UK terror bombing.",
">\n\nSo this has been going on almost a year at this point. Genuine question..: can nobody get involved like period? I feel like we just keep watching the Ukraine get fucked up week after week and just go....\"Sad\"",
">\n\nNobody is going to get involved directly because a) you’re risking nuclear conflict and b) basically no country wants to sacrifice their own soldiers in this conflict. And in the case of the USA, which is by far most powerful in NATO, they are shifting focus towards the Pacific anyway. China is a much greater long-term threat than Russia.",
">\n\nI mean let's be honest, Russia won't fire a nuke at the US, it's suicide. But Iv been wondering about that, Ukraine is a sovereign nation, this isn't a civil war....it's totally valid for them to allow another county's military to operate in the borders of their own country. The US could provide air support within UA borders and not technically enter Russian territory. If we are being honest Russia wouldn't be able to do anything. Let the USAF do just 2 days of targeted bombing onto Russian bases within the Ukraine and it would break their entire line",
">\n\nThis is what you do when you run out of troops."
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Sick and barbaric oxygen thief is what Putin is. Nothing more, except a coward. I hope Karma rips him to shreds.
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.",
">\n\nRussia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back",
">\n\nCowards",
">\n\nYea look at how the blitz turned out, real win for Germany that was\nWhat’s the point of this, why is Russia doing this what’s the strategic angle",
">\n\nI swear I saw something just too days ago that the kremlin was basically begging for a peace, and yet they continue to act like a spoiled 12yo at McDonalds that didn't get their happy heal.",
">\n\nIf Russia doesn't demilitarize, Ukraine will do it for them.",
">\n\nI don't care anymore if Russia ceases to exist, I only hope the Russian people eventually stand up for what's right, so they don't all have to die with it.",
">\n\nRussia> \"we want to come to the negotiation table\"\nAlso Russia> Pelts Ukraine with billions of rubles of missiles",
">\n\nMy cousin and his wife are there and they're medic, it's been 5 months now he hasn't contacted me or his family yet, last time we spoke he was in lviv.",
">\n\nOk, so now it's really time to stop delaying the inevitable... The west need to get properly involved now. Yes it brings risk, but like I said I think it's inevitable eventually.",
">\n\nman fuck putin",
">\n\nFuck putin and all Russia apologists across the globe. Death to fascists!",
">\n\nthose psychopaths illegaly invading Ukraine a sovereign country ... I pray for Ukrainians. Strong people.\nrussia will colapse after this.. not sure whom will be in power then....",
">\n\n🇷🇺 is a Terrorist state",
">\n\nPutin is evil.",
">\n\nIf you gave me a gun with two bullets and put me in a room with Putin, Hitler, and Bin-Laden, I’d shoot all of them several times (I brought my own gun too).",
">\n\nI’d shoot Toby twice.",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state.",
">\n\nWhY wONt UkRaiNE nEgOTiaTe peACe WiTh uS?",
">\n\nThe Russian state is a fucking cancer. What an absolute joke and embarrassment to humanity.",
">\n\nRussia: We sending missles to demilitarize your country! Now we are demanding peace talks!",
">\n\nFuck Russia. I’m so sick of this shit.",
">\n\nPutin is on track to go down as one of the great mass murderers in history. He isn't in the top 10 yet, but he's on his way.",
">\n\nWho's selling the rockets to Ruzzia? Iran? China?",
">\n\nTime for Ukraine to send missiles to Moscow.",
">\n\nPutin's war is officially a failure as today is the 100th anniversary of the creation of the Soviet Union and was to be the day he planned to present the reconstituted borders of the old Soviet Union. Trump was to have pulled the US out of NATO at the last minute before the war started leaving Europe alone in defending Ukraine. With little defenses and no real NATO Russia was to have marched on to retake all the old soviet states in a glorious rewriting of history which Putin called the the worst geopolitical tragedy of the century and blamed the previous Russian leadership for allowing it to happen.\nToday, Putin's grand plan is in tatters. And the writing is on the wall. All the walls, actually.",
">\n\n\nand was to be the day he planned to present the reconstituted borders of the old Soviet Union\n\nSource?\n\nTrump was to have pulled the US out of NATO at the last minute before the war started leaving Europe alone in defending Ukraine\n\nAgain, source?\nActually Nevermind, you don’t have any. Just bullshit.",
">\n\nDo you somehow don’t think that Trump liked NATO? The guy who said he didn’t know if he would support defending smaller nations.\nThe guy who 4 months into his term shared top secret intel with the Russian ambassador.\nThe guy who was still pursuing a Trump branded property in Moscow while campaigning for president?\nThe guy who couldn’t help but praise Putin at every turn?\nThe guy who asked the CIA to share Middle East counterintelligence intel with the FSB with nothing expected in return because he only makes the best deals and is such the good negotiator?\nThe guy who couldn’t help but declare Putin a genius for invading Ukraine, again.\nThe guy who ran anti-NATO ads in the 80’s after a visit to the USSR?\nThat guy?",
">\n\nEnough is enough Ukraine needs to start shooting some missiles into Russia. They have to stop being afraid of angering the Russian people. All the smart ones have left. Start firing away.",
">\n\nReally going for full Nazi Germany on the UK terror bombing.",
">\n\nSo this has been going on almost a year at this point. Genuine question..: can nobody get involved like period? I feel like we just keep watching the Ukraine get fucked up week after week and just go....\"Sad\"",
">\n\nNobody is going to get involved directly because a) you’re risking nuclear conflict and b) basically no country wants to sacrifice their own soldiers in this conflict. And in the case of the USA, which is by far most powerful in NATO, they are shifting focus towards the Pacific anyway. China is a much greater long-term threat than Russia.",
">\n\nI mean let's be honest, Russia won't fire a nuke at the US, it's suicide. But Iv been wondering about that, Ukraine is a sovereign nation, this isn't a civil war....it's totally valid for them to allow another county's military to operate in the borders of their own country. The US could provide air support within UA borders and not technically enter Russian territory. If we are being honest Russia wouldn't be able to do anything. Let the USAF do just 2 days of targeted bombing onto Russian bases within the Ukraine and it would break their entire line",
">\n\nThis is what you do when you run out of troops.",
">\n\nPutler will very soon in the recent future rue the day he let this war be put into motion!"
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.",
">\n\nRussia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back",
">\n\nCowards",
">\n\nYea look at how the blitz turned out, real win for Germany that was\nWhat’s the point of this, why is Russia doing this what’s the strategic angle",
">\n\nI swear I saw something just too days ago that the kremlin was basically begging for a peace, and yet they continue to act like a spoiled 12yo at McDonalds that didn't get their happy heal.",
">\n\nIf Russia doesn't demilitarize, Ukraine will do it for them.",
">\n\nI don't care anymore if Russia ceases to exist, I only hope the Russian people eventually stand up for what's right, so they don't all have to die with it.",
">\n\nRussia> \"we want to come to the negotiation table\"\nAlso Russia> Pelts Ukraine with billions of rubles of missiles",
">\n\nMy cousin and his wife are there and they're medic, it's been 5 months now he hasn't contacted me or his family yet, last time we spoke he was in lviv.",
">\n\nOk, so now it's really time to stop delaying the inevitable... The west need to get properly involved now. Yes it brings risk, but like I said I think it's inevitable eventually.",
">\n\nman fuck putin",
">\n\nFuck putin and all Russia apologists across the globe. Death to fascists!",
">\n\nthose psychopaths illegaly invading Ukraine a sovereign country ... I pray for Ukrainians. Strong people.\nrussia will colapse after this.. not sure whom will be in power then....",
">\n\n🇷🇺 is a Terrorist state",
">\n\nPutin is evil.",
">\n\nIf you gave me a gun with two bullets and put me in a room with Putin, Hitler, and Bin-Laden, I’d shoot all of them several times (I brought my own gun too).",
">\n\nI’d shoot Toby twice.",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state.",
">\n\nWhY wONt UkRaiNE nEgOTiaTe peACe WiTh uS?",
">\n\nThe Russian state is a fucking cancer. What an absolute joke and embarrassment to humanity.",
">\n\nRussia: We sending missles to demilitarize your country! Now we are demanding peace talks!",
">\n\nFuck Russia. I’m so sick of this shit.",
">\n\nPutin is on track to go down as one of the great mass murderers in history. He isn't in the top 10 yet, but he's on his way.",
">\n\nWho's selling the rockets to Ruzzia? Iran? China?",
">\n\nTime for Ukraine to send missiles to Moscow.",
">\n\nPutin's war is officially a failure as today is the 100th anniversary of the creation of the Soviet Union and was to be the day he planned to present the reconstituted borders of the old Soviet Union. Trump was to have pulled the US out of NATO at the last minute before the war started leaving Europe alone in defending Ukraine. With little defenses and no real NATO Russia was to have marched on to retake all the old soviet states in a glorious rewriting of history which Putin called the the worst geopolitical tragedy of the century and blamed the previous Russian leadership for allowing it to happen.\nToday, Putin's grand plan is in tatters. And the writing is on the wall. All the walls, actually.",
">\n\n\nand was to be the day he planned to present the reconstituted borders of the old Soviet Union\n\nSource?\n\nTrump was to have pulled the US out of NATO at the last minute before the war started leaving Europe alone in defending Ukraine\n\nAgain, source?\nActually Nevermind, you don’t have any. Just bullshit.",
">\n\nDo you somehow don’t think that Trump liked NATO? The guy who said he didn’t know if he would support defending smaller nations.\nThe guy who 4 months into his term shared top secret intel with the Russian ambassador.\nThe guy who was still pursuing a Trump branded property in Moscow while campaigning for president?\nThe guy who couldn’t help but praise Putin at every turn?\nThe guy who asked the CIA to share Middle East counterintelligence intel with the FSB with nothing expected in return because he only makes the best deals and is such the good negotiator?\nThe guy who couldn’t help but declare Putin a genius for invading Ukraine, again.\nThe guy who ran anti-NATO ads in the 80’s after a visit to the USSR?\nThat guy?",
">\n\nEnough is enough Ukraine needs to start shooting some missiles into Russia. They have to stop being afraid of angering the Russian people. All the smart ones have left. Start firing away.",
">\n\nReally going for full Nazi Germany on the UK terror bombing.",
">\n\nSo this has been going on almost a year at this point. Genuine question..: can nobody get involved like period? I feel like we just keep watching the Ukraine get fucked up week after week and just go....\"Sad\"",
">\n\nNobody is going to get involved directly because a) you’re risking nuclear conflict and b) basically no country wants to sacrifice their own soldiers in this conflict. And in the case of the USA, which is by far most powerful in NATO, they are shifting focus towards the Pacific anyway. China is a much greater long-term threat than Russia.",
">\n\nI mean let's be honest, Russia won't fire a nuke at the US, it's suicide. But Iv been wondering about that, Ukraine is a sovereign nation, this isn't a civil war....it's totally valid for them to allow another county's military to operate in the borders of their own country. The US could provide air support within UA borders and not technically enter Russian territory. If we are being honest Russia wouldn't be able to do anything. Let the USAF do just 2 days of targeted bombing onto Russian bases within the Ukraine and it would break their entire line",
">\n\nThis is what you do when you run out of troops.",
">\n\nPutler will very soon in the recent future rue the day he let this war be put into motion!",
">\n\nSick and barbaric oxygen thief is what Putin is. Nothing more, except a coward. I hope Karma rips him to shreds."
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.",
">\n\nRussia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back",
">\n\nCowards",
">\n\nYea look at how the blitz turned out, real win for Germany that was\nWhat’s the point of this, why is Russia doing this what’s the strategic angle",
">\n\nI swear I saw something just too days ago that the kremlin was basically begging for a peace, and yet they continue to act like a spoiled 12yo at McDonalds that didn't get their happy heal.",
">\n\nIf Russia doesn't demilitarize, Ukraine will do it for them.",
">\n\nI don't care anymore if Russia ceases to exist, I only hope the Russian people eventually stand up for what's right, so they don't all have to die with it.",
">\n\nRussia> \"we want to come to the negotiation table\"\nAlso Russia> Pelts Ukraine with billions of rubles of missiles",
">\n\nMy cousin and his wife are there and they're medic, it's been 5 months now he hasn't contacted me or his family yet, last time we spoke he was in lviv.",
">\n\nOk, so now it's really time to stop delaying the inevitable... The west need to get properly involved now. Yes it brings risk, but like I said I think it's inevitable eventually.",
">\n\nman fuck putin",
">\n\nFuck putin and all Russia apologists across the globe. Death to fascists!",
">\n\nthose psychopaths illegaly invading Ukraine a sovereign country ... I pray for Ukrainians. Strong people.\nrussia will colapse after this.. not sure whom will be in power then....",
">\n\n🇷🇺 is a Terrorist state",
">\n\nPutin is evil.",
">\n\nIf you gave me a gun with two bullets and put me in a room with Putin, Hitler, and Bin-Laden, I’d shoot all of them several times (I brought my own gun too).",
">\n\nI’d shoot Toby twice.",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state.",
">\n\nWhY wONt UkRaiNE nEgOTiaTe peACe WiTh uS?",
">\n\nThe Russian state is a fucking cancer. What an absolute joke and embarrassment to humanity.",
">\n\nRussia: We sending missles to demilitarize your country! Now we are demanding peace talks!",
">\n\nFuck Russia. I’m so sick of this shit.",
">\n\nPutin is on track to go down as one of the great mass murderers in history. He isn't in the top 10 yet, but he's on his way.",
">\n\nWho's selling the rockets to Ruzzia? Iran? China?",
">\n\nTime for Ukraine to send missiles to Moscow.",
">\n\nPutin's war is officially a failure as today is the 100th anniversary of the creation of the Soviet Union and was to be the day he planned to present the reconstituted borders of the old Soviet Union. Trump was to have pulled the US out of NATO at the last minute before the war started leaving Europe alone in defending Ukraine. With little defenses and no real NATO Russia was to have marched on to retake all the old soviet states in a glorious rewriting of history which Putin called the the worst geopolitical tragedy of the century and blamed the previous Russian leadership for allowing it to happen.\nToday, Putin's grand plan is in tatters. And the writing is on the wall. All the walls, actually.",
">\n\n\nand was to be the day he planned to present the reconstituted borders of the old Soviet Union\n\nSource?\n\nTrump was to have pulled the US out of NATO at the last minute before the war started leaving Europe alone in defending Ukraine\n\nAgain, source?\nActually Nevermind, you don’t have any. Just bullshit.",
">\n\nDo you somehow don’t think that Trump liked NATO? The guy who said he didn’t know if he would support defending smaller nations.\nThe guy who 4 months into his term shared top secret intel with the Russian ambassador.\nThe guy who was still pursuing a Trump branded property in Moscow while campaigning for president?\nThe guy who couldn’t help but praise Putin at every turn?\nThe guy who asked the CIA to share Middle East counterintelligence intel with the FSB with nothing expected in return because he only makes the best deals and is such the good negotiator?\nThe guy who couldn’t help but declare Putin a genius for invading Ukraine, again.\nThe guy who ran anti-NATO ads in the 80’s after a visit to the USSR?\nThat guy?",
">\n\nEnough is enough Ukraine needs to start shooting some missiles into Russia. They have to stop being afraid of angering the Russian people. All the smart ones have left. Start firing away.",
">\n\nReally going for full Nazi Germany on the UK terror bombing.",
">\n\nSo this has been going on almost a year at this point. Genuine question..: can nobody get involved like period? I feel like we just keep watching the Ukraine get fucked up week after week and just go....\"Sad\"",
">\n\nNobody is going to get involved directly because a) you’re risking nuclear conflict and b) basically no country wants to sacrifice their own soldiers in this conflict. And in the case of the USA, which is by far most powerful in NATO, they are shifting focus towards the Pacific anyway. China is a much greater long-term threat than Russia.",
">\n\nI mean let's be honest, Russia won't fire a nuke at the US, it's suicide. But Iv been wondering about that, Ukraine is a sovereign nation, this isn't a civil war....it's totally valid for them to allow another county's military to operate in the borders of their own country. The US could provide air support within UA borders and not technically enter Russian territory. If we are being honest Russia wouldn't be able to do anything. Let the USAF do just 2 days of targeted bombing onto Russian bases within the Ukraine and it would break their entire line",
">\n\nThis is what you do when you run out of troops.",
">\n\nPutler will very soon in the recent future rue the day he let this war be put into motion!",
">\n\nSick and barbaric oxygen thief is what Putin is. Nothing more, except a coward. I hope Karma rips him to shreds.",
">\n\nTerrorists"
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.",
">\n\nRussia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back",
">\n\nCowards",
">\n\nYea look at how the blitz turned out, real win for Germany that was\nWhat’s the point of this, why is Russia doing this what’s the strategic angle",
">\n\nI swear I saw something just too days ago that the kremlin was basically begging for a peace, and yet they continue to act like a spoiled 12yo at McDonalds that didn't get their happy heal.",
">\n\nIf Russia doesn't demilitarize, Ukraine will do it for them.",
">\n\nI don't care anymore if Russia ceases to exist, I only hope the Russian people eventually stand up for what's right, so they don't all have to die with it.",
">\n\nRussia> \"we want to come to the negotiation table\"\nAlso Russia> Pelts Ukraine with billions of rubles of missiles",
">\n\nMy cousin and his wife are there and they're medic, it's been 5 months now he hasn't contacted me or his family yet, last time we spoke he was in lviv.",
">\n\nOk, so now it's really time to stop delaying the inevitable... The west need to get properly involved now. Yes it brings risk, but like I said I think it's inevitable eventually.",
">\n\nman fuck putin",
">\n\nFuck putin and all Russia apologists across the globe. Death to fascists!",
">\n\nthose psychopaths illegaly invading Ukraine a sovereign country ... I pray for Ukrainians. Strong people.\nrussia will colapse after this.. not sure whom will be in power then....",
">\n\n🇷🇺 is a Terrorist state",
">\n\nPutin is evil.",
">\n\nIf you gave me a gun with two bullets and put me in a room with Putin, Hitler, and Bin-Laden, I’d shoot all of them several times (I brought my own gun too).",
">\n\nI’d shoot Toby twice.",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state.",
">\n\nWhY wONt UkRaiNE nEgOTiaTe peACe WiTh uS?",
">\n\nThe Russian state is a fucking cancer. What an absolute joke and embarrassment to humanity.",
">\n\nRussia: We sending missles to demilitarize your country! Now we are demanding peace talks!",
">\n\nFuck Russia. I’m so sick of this shit.",
">\n\nPutin is on track to go down as one of the great mass murderers in history. He isn't in the top 10 yet, but he's on his way.",
">\n\nWho's selling the rockets to Ruzzia? Iran? China?",
">\n\nTime for Ukraine to send missiles to Moscow.",
">\n\nPutin's war is officially a failure as today is the 100th anniversary of the creation of the Soviet Union and was to be the day he planned to present the reconstituted borders of the old Soviet Union. Trump was to have pulled the US out of NATO at the last minute before the war started leaving Europe alone in defending Ukraine. With little defenses and no real NATO Russia was to have marched on to retake all the old soviet states in a glorious rewriting of history which Putin called the the worst geopolitical tragedy of the century and blamed the previous Russian leadership for allowing it to happen.\nToday, Putin's grand plan is in tatters. And the writing is on the wall. All the walls, actually.",
">\n\n\nand was to be the day he planned to present the reconstituted borders of the old Soviet Union\n\nSource?\n\nTrump was to have pulled the US out of NATO at the last minute before the war started leaving Europe alone in defending Ukraine\n\nAgain, source?\nActually Nevermind, you don’t have any. Just bullshit.",
">\n\nDo you somehow don’t think that Trump liked NATO? The guy who said he didn’t know if he would support defending smaller nations.\nThe guy who 4 months into his term shared top secret intel with the Russian ambassador.\nThe guy who was still pursuing a Trump branded property in Moscow while campaigning for president?\nThe guy who couldn’t help but praise Putin at every turn?\nThe guy who asked the CIA to share Middle East counterintelligence intel with the FSB with nothing expected in return because he only makes the best deals and is such the good negotiator?\nThe guy who couldn’t help but declare Putin a genius for invading Ukraine, again.\nThe guy who ran anti-NATO ads in the 80’s after a visit to the USSR?\nThat guy?",
">\n\nEnough is enough Ukraine needs to start shooting some missiles into Russia. They have to stop being afraid of angering the Russian people. All the smart ones have left. Start firing away.",
">\n\nReally going for full Nazi Germany on the UK terror bombing.",
">\n\nSo this has been going on almost a year at this point. Genuine question..: can nobody get involved like period? I feel like we just keep watching the Ukraine get fucked up week after week and just go....\"Sad\"",
">\n\nNobody is going to get involved directly because a) you’re risking nuclear conflict and b) basically no country wants to sacrifice their own soldiers in this conflict. And in the case of the USA, which is by far most powerful in NATO, they are shifting focus towards the Pacific anyway. China is a much greater long-term threat than Russia.",
">\n\nI mean let's be honest, Russia won't fire a nuke at the US, it's suicide. But Iv been wondering about that, Ukraine is a sovereign nation, this isn't a civil war....it's totally valid for them to allow another county's military to operate in the borders of their own country. The US could provide air support within UA borders and not technically enter Russian territory. If we are being honest Russia wouldn't be able to do anything. Let the USAF do just 2 days of targeted bombing onto Russian bases within the Ukraine and it would break their entire line",
">\n\nThis is what you do when you run out of troops.",
">\n\nPutler will very soon in the recent future rue the day he let this war be put into motion!",
">\n\nSick and barbaric oxygen thief is what Putin is. Nothing more, except a coward. I hope Karma rips him to shreds.",
">\n\nTerrorists",
">\n\nRemember when everyone thought Russia was a world power. Those were the days."
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Im getting tired about people saying there are problems about tanks logistics, repair etc. Europe must send tanks jointly Now. I dont want to listen to any excuses. Every european country a part of what it has I dont care about the tanks names
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.",
">\n\nRussia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back",
">\n\nCowards",
">\n\nYea look at how the blitz turned out, real win for Germany that was\nWhat’s the point of this, why is Russia doing this what’s the strategic angle",
">\n\nI swear I saw something just too days ago that the kremlin was basically begging for a peace, and yet they continue to act like a spoiled 12yo at McDonalds that didn't get their happy heal.",
">\n\nIf Russia doesn't demilitarize, Ukraine will do it for them.",
">\n\nI don't care anymore if Russia ceases to exist, I only hope the Russian people eventually stand up for what's right, so they don't all have to die with it.",
">\n\nRussia> \"we want to come to the negotiation table\"\nAlso Russia> Pelts Ukraine with billions of rubles of missiles",
">\n\nMy cousin and his wife are there and they're medic, it's been 5 months now he hasn't contacted me or his family yet, last time we spoke he was in lviv.",
">\n\nOk, so now it's really time to stop delaying the inevitable... The west need to get properly involved now. Yes it brings risk, but like I said I think it's inevitable eventually.",
">\n\nman fuck putin",
">\n\nFuck putin and all Russia apologists across the globe. Death to fascists!",
">\n\nthose psychopaths illegaly invading Ukraine a sovereign country ... I pray for Ukrainians. Strong people.\nrussia will colapse after this.. not sure whom will be in power then....",
">\n\n🇷🇺 is a Terrorist state",
">\n\nPutin is evil.",
">\n\nIf you gave me a gun with two bullets and put me in a room with Putin, Hitler, and Bin-Laden, I’d shoot all of them several times (I brought my own gun too).",
">\n\nI’d shoot Toby twice.",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state.",
">\n\nWhY wONt UkRaiNE nEgOTiaTe peACe WiTh uS?",
">\n\nThe Russian state is a fucking cancer. What an absolute joke and embarrassment to humanity.",
">\n\nRussia: We sending missles to demilitarize your country! Now we are demanding peace talks!",
">\n\nFuck Russia. I’m so sick of this shit.",
">\n\nPutin is on track to go down as one of the great mass murderers in history. He isn't in the top 10 yet, but he's on his way.",
">\n\nWho's selling the rockets to Ruzzia? Iran? China?",
">\n\nTime for Ukraine to send missiles to Moscow.",
">\n\nPutin's war is officially a failure as today is the 100th anniversary of the creation of the Soviet Union and was to be the day he planned to present the reconstituted borders of the old Soviet Union. Trump was to have pulled the US out of NATO at the last minute before the war started leaving Europe alone in defending Ukraine. With little defenses and no real NATO Russia was to have marched on to retake all the old soviet states in a glorious rewriting of history which Putin called the the worst geopolitical tragedy of the century and blamed the previous Russian leadership for allowing it to happen.\nToday, Putin's grand plan is in tatters. And the writing is on the wall. All the walls, actually.",
">\n\n\nand was to be the day he planned to present the reconstituted borders of the old Soviet Union\n\nSource?\n\nTrump was to have pulled the US out of NATO at the last minute before the war started leaving Europe alone in defending Ukraine\n\nAgain, source?\nActually Nevermind, you don’t have any. Just bullshit.",
">\n\nDo you somehow don’t think that Trump liked NATO? The guy who said he didn’t know if he would support defending smaller nations.\nThe guy who 4 months into his term shared top secret intel with the Russian ambassador.\nThe guy who was still pursuing a Trump branded property in Moscow while campaigning for president?\nThe guy who couldn’t help but praise Putin at every turn?\nThe guy who asked the CIA to share Middle East counterintelligence intel with the FSB with nothing expected in return because he only makes the best deals and is such the good negotiator?\nThe guy who couldn’t help but declare Putin a genius for invading Ukraine, again.\nThe guy who ran anti-NATO ads in the 80’s after a visit to the USSR?\nThat guy?",
">\n\nEnough is enough Ukraine needs to start shooting some missiles into Russia. They have to stop being afraid of angering the Russian people. All the smart ones have left. Start firing away.",
">\n\nReally going for full Nazi Germany on the UK terror bombing.",
">\n\nSo this has been going on almost a year at this point. Genuine question..: can nobody get involved like period? I feel like we just keep watching the Ukraine get fucked up week after week and just go....\"Sad\"",
">\n\nNobody is going to get involved directly because a) you’re risking nuclear conflict and b) basically no country wants to sacrifice their own soldiers in this conflict. And in the case of the USA, which is by far most powerful in NATO, they are shifting focus towards the Pacific anyway. China is a much greater long-term threat than Russia.",
">\n\nI mean let's be honest, Russia won't fire a nuke at the US, it's suicide. But Iv been wondering about that, Ukraine is a sovereign nation, this isn't a civil war....it's totally valid for them to allow another county's military to operate in the borders of their own country. The US could provide air support within UA borders and not technically enter Russian territory. If we are being honest Russia wouldn't be able to do anything. Let the USAF do just 2 days of targeted bombing onto Russian bases within the Ukraine and it would break their entire line",
">\n\nThis is what you do when you run out of troops.",
">\n\nPutler will very soon in the recent future rue the day he let this war be put into motion!",
">\n\nSick and barbaric oxygen thief is what Putin is. Nothing more, except a coward. I hope Karma rips him to shreds.",
">\n\nTerrorists",
">\n\nRemember when everyone thought Russia was a world power. Those were the days.",
">\n\nPeperidge farms remembers"
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Europe must send tanks jointly Now
This assumes that a lack of tanks is what's holding Ukraine back at the moment...
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.",
">\n\nRussia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back",
">\n\nCowards",
">\n\nYea look at how the blitz turned out, real win for Germany that was\nWhat’s the point of this, why is Russia doing this what’s the strategic angle",
">\n\nI swear I saw something just too days ago that the kremlin was basically begging for a peace, and yet they continue to act like a spoiled 12yo at McDonalds that didn't get their happy heal.",
">\n\nIf Russia doesn't demilitarize, Ukraine will do it for them.",
">\n\nI don't care anymore if Russia ceases to exist, I only hope the Russian people eventually stand up for what's right, so they don't all have to die with it.",
">\n\nRussia> \"we want to come to the negotiation table\"\nAlso Russia> Pelts Ukraine with billions of rubles of missiles",
">\n\nMy cousin and his wife are there and they're medic, it's been 5 months now he hasn't contacted me or his family yet, last time we spoke he was in lviv.",
">\n\nOk, so now it's really time to stop delaying the inevitable... The west need to get properly involved now. Yes it brings risk, but like I said I think it's inevitable eventually.",
">\n\nman fuck putin",
">\n\nFuck putin and all Russia apologists across the globe. Death to fascists!",
">\n\nthose psychopaths illegaly invading Ukraine a sovereign country ... I pray for Ukrainians. Strong people.\nrussia will colapse after this.. not sure whom will be in power then....",
">\n\n🇷🇺 is a Terrorist state",
">\n\nPutin is evil.",
">\n\nIf you gave me a gun with two bullets and put me in a room with Putin, Hitler, and Bin-Laden, I’d shoot all of them several times (I brought my own gun too).",
">\n\nI’d shoot Toby twice.",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state.",
">\n\nWhY wONt UkRaiNE nEgOTiaTe peACe WiTh uS?",
">\n\nThe Russian state is a fucking cancer. What an absolute joke and embarrassment to humanity.",
">\n\nRussia: We sending missles to demilitarize your country! Now we are demanding peace talks!",
">\n\nFuck Russia. I’m so sick of this shit.",
">\n\nPutin is on track to go down as one of the great mass murderers in history. He isn't in the top 10 yet, but he's on his way.",
">\n\nWho's selling the rockets to Ruzzia? Iran? China?",
">\n\nTime for Ukraine to send missiles to Moscow.",
">\n\nPutin's war is officially a failure as today is the 100th anniversary of the creation of the Soviet Union and was to be the day he planned to present the reconstituted borders of the old Soviet Union. Trump was to have pulled the US out of NATO at the last minute before the war started leaving Europe alone in defending Ukraine. With little defenses and no real NATO Russia was to have marched on to retake all the old soviet states in a glorious rewriting of history which Putin called the the worst geopolitical tragedy of the century and blamed the previous Russian leadership for allowing it to happen.\nToday, Putin's grand plan is in tatters. And the writing is on the wall. All the walls, actually.",
">\n\n\nand was to be the day he planned to present the reconstituted borders of the old Soviet Union\n\nSource?\n\nTrump was to have pulled the US out of NATO at the last minute before the war started leaving Europe alone in defending Ukraine\n\nAgain, source?\nActually Nevermind, you don’t have any. Just bullshit.",
">\n\nDo you somehow don’t think that Trump liked NATO? The guy who said he didn’t know if he would support defending smaller nations.\nThe guy who 4 months into his term shared top secret intel with the Russian ambassador.\nThe guy who was still pursuing a Trump branded property in Moscow while campaigning for president?\nThe guy who couldn’t help but praise Putin at every turn?\nThe guy who asked the CIA to share Middle East counterintelligence intel with the FSB with nothing expected in return because he only makes the best deals and is such the good negotiator?\nThe guy who couldn’t help but declare Putin a genius for invading Ukraine, again.\nThe guy who ran anti-NATO ads in the 80’s after a visit to the USSR?\nThat guy?",
">\n\nEnough is enough Ukraine needs to start shooting some missiles into Russia. They have to stop being afraid of angering the Russian people. All the smart ones have left. Start firing away.",
">\n\nReally going for full Nazi Germany on the UK terror bombing.",
">\n\nSo this has been going on almost a year at this point. Genuine question..: can nobody get involved like period? I feel like we just keep watching the Ukraine get fucked up week after week and just go....\"Sad\"",
">\n\nNobody is going to get involved directly because a) you’re risking nuclear conflict and b) basically no country wants to sacrifice their own soldiers in this conflict. And in the case of the USA, which is by far most powerful in NATO, they are shifting focus towards the Pacific anyway. China is a much greater long-term threat than Russia.",
">\n\nI mean let's be honest, Russia won't fire a nuke at the US, it's suicide. But Iv been wondering about that, Ukraine is a sovereign nation, this isn't a civil war....it's totally valid for them to allow another county's military to operate in the borders of their own country. The US could provide air support within UA borders and not technically enter Russian territory. If we are being honest Russia wouldn't be able to do anything. Let the USAF do just 2 days of targeted bombing onto Russian bases within the Ukraine and it would break their entire line",
">\n\nThis is what you do when you run out of troops.",
">\n\nPutler will very soon in the recent future rue the day he let this war be put into motion!",
">\n\nSick and barbaric oxygen thief is what Putin is. Nothing more, except a coward. I hope Karma rips him to shreds.",
">\n\nTerrorists",
">\n\nRemember when everyone thought Russia was a world power. Those were the days.",
">\n\nPeperidge farms remembers",
">\n\nIm getting tired about people saying there are problems about tanks logistics, repair etc. Europe must send tanks jointly Now. I dont want to listen to any excuses. Every european country a part of what it has I dont care about the tanks names"
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I am aware of the PR and ethical problems with Ukraine responding with missiles strikes of their own deep inside Russian territory, but a sustained assault on just the Kremlin itself would be justifiable, and a real blow to Russian morale. It’s not like there are many options for Russian escalation at this point, and I don’t think they’ll break out their nukes, if they even work. Russia would be glass within a day if they nuked anywhere in Europe.
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.",
">\n\nRussia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back",
">\n\nCowards",
">\n\nYea look at how the blitz turned out, real win for Germany that was\nWhat’s the point of this, why is Russia doing this what’s the strategic angle",
">\n\nI swear I saw something just too days ago that the kremlin was basically begging for a peace, and yet they continue to act like a spoiled 12yo at McDonalds that didn't get their happy heal.",
">\n\nIf Russia doesn't demilitarize, Ukraine will do it for them.",
">\n\nI don't care anymore if Russia ceases to exist, I only hope the Russian people eventually stand up for what's right, so they don't all have to die with it.",
">\n\nRussia> \"we want to come to the negotiation table\"\nAlso Russia> Pelts Ukraine with billions of rubles of missiles",
">\n\nMy cousin and his wife are there and they're medic, it's been 5 months now he hasn't contacted me or his family yet, last time we spoke he was in lviv.",
">\n\nOk, so now it's really time to stop delaying the inevitable... The west need to get properly involved now. Yes it brings risk, but like I said I think it's inevitable eventually.",
">\n\nman fuck putin",
">\n\nFuck putin and all Russia apologists across the globe. Death to fascists!",
">\n\nthose psychopaths illegaly invading Ukraine a sovereign country ... I pray for Ukrainians. Strong people.\nrussia will colapse after this.. not sure whom will be in power then....",
">\n\n🇷🇺 is a Terrorist state",
">\n\nPutin is evil.",
">\n\nIf you gave me a gun with two bullets and put me in a room with Putin, Hitler, and Bin-Laden, I’d shoot all of them several times (I brought my own gun too).",
">\n\nI’d shoot Toby twice.",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state.",
">\n\nWhY wONt UkRaiNE nEgOTiaTe peACe WiTh uS?",
">\n\nThe Russian state is a fucking cancer. What an absolute joke and embarrassment to humanity.",
">\n\nRussia: We sending missles to demilitarize your country! Now we are demanding peace talks!",
">\n\nFuck Russia. I’m so sick of this shit.",
">\n\nPutin is on track to go down as one of the great mass murderers in history. He isn't in the top 10 yet, but he's on his way.",
">\n\nWho's selling the rockets to Ruzzia? Iran? China?",
">\n\nTime for Ukraine to send missiles to Moscow.",
">\n\nPutin's war is officially a failure as today is the 100th anniversary of the creation of the Soviet Union and was to be the day he planned to present the reconstituted borders of the old Soviet Union. Trump was to have pulled the US out of NATO at the last minute before the war started leaving Europe alone in defending Ukraine. With little defenses and no real NATO Russia was to have marched on to retake all the old soviet states in a glorious rewriting of history which Putin called the the worst geopolitical tragedy of the century and blamed the previous Russian leadership for allowing it to happen.\nToday, Putin's grand plan is in tatters. And the writing is on the wall. All the walls, actually.",
">\n\n\nand was to be the day he planned to present the reconstituted borders of the old Soviet Union\n\nSource?\n\nTrump was to have pulled the US out of NATO at the last minute before the war started leaving Europe alone in defending Ukraine\n\nAgain, source?\nActually Nevermind, you don’t have any. Just bullshit.",
">\n\nDo you somehow don’t think that Trump liked NATO? The guy who said he didn’t know if he would support defending smaller nations.\nThe guy who 4 months into his term shared top secret intel with the Russian ambassador.\nThe guy who was still pursuing a Trump branded property in Moscow while campaigning for president?\nThe guy who couldn’t help but praise Putin at every turn?\nThe guy who asked the CIA to share Middle East counterintelligence intel with the FSB with nothing expected in return because he only makes the best deals and is such the good negotiator?\nThe guy who couldn’t help but declare Putin a genius for invading Ukraine, again.\nThe guy who ran anti-NATO ads in the 80’s after a visit to the USSR?\nThat guy?",
">\n\nEnough is enough Ukraine needs to start shooting some missiles into Russia. They have to stop being afraid of angering the Russian people. All the smart ones have left. Start firing away.",
">\n\nReally going for full Nazi Germany on the UK terror bombing.",
">\n\nSo this has been going on almost a year at this point. Genuine question..: can nobody get involved like period? I feel like we just keep watching the Ukraine get fucked up week after week and just go....\"Sad\"",
">\n\nNobody is going to get involved directly because a) you’re risking nuclear conflict and b) basically no country wants to sacrifice their own soldiers in this conflict. And in the case of the USA, which is by far most powerful in NATO, they are shifting focus towards the Pacific anyway. China is a much greater long-term threat than Russia.",
">\n\nI mean let's be honest, Russia won't fire a nuke at the US, it's suicide. But Iv been wondering about that, Ukraine is a sovereign nation, this isn't a civil war....it's totally valid for them to allow another county's military to operate in the borders of their own country. The US could provide air support within UA borders and not technically enter Russian territory. If we are being honest Russia wouldn't be able to do anything. Let the USAF do just 2 days of targeted bombing onto Russian bases within the Ukraine and it would break their entire line",
">\n\nThis is what you do when you run out of troops.",
">\n\nPutler will very soon in the recent future rue the day he let this war be put into motion!",
">\n\nSick and barbaric oxygen thief is what Putin is. Nothing more, except a coward. I hope Karma rips him to shreds.",
">\n\nTerrorists",
">\n\nRemember when everyone thought Russia was a world power. Those were the days.",
">\n\nPeperidge farms remembers",
">\n\nIm getting tired about people saying there are problems about tanks logistics, repair etc. Europe must send tanks jointly Now. I dont want to listen to any excuses. Every european country a part of what it has I dont care about the tanks names",
">\n\n\nEurope must send tanks jointly Now\n\nThis assumes that a lack of tanks is what's holding Ukraine back at the moment..."
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Yes, yes, russia, we get it, you have a tiny pp. Enough.
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.",
">\n\nRussia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back",
">\n\nCowards",
">\n\nYea look at how the blitz turned out, real win for Germany that was\nWhat’s the point of this, why is Russia doing this what’s the strategic angle",
">\n\nI swear I saw something just too days ago that the kremlin was basically begging for a peace, and yet they continue to act like a spoiled 12yo at McDonalds that didn't get their happy heal.",
">\n\nIf Russia doesn't demilitarize, Ukraine will do it for them.",
">\n\nI don't care anymore if Russia ceases to exist, I only hope the Russian people eventually stand up for what's right, so they don't all have to die with it.",
">\n\nRussia> \"we want to come to the negotiation table\"\nAlso Russia> Pelts Ukraine with billions of rubles of missiles",
">\n\nMy cousin and his wife are there and they're medic, it's been 5 months now he hasn't contacted me or his family yet, last time we spoke he was in lviv.",
">\n\nOk, so now it's really time to stop delaying the inevitable... The west need to get properly involved now. Yes it brings risk, but like I said I think it's inevitable eventually.",
">\n\nman fuck putin",
">\n\nFuck putin and all Russia apologists across the globe. Death to fascists!",
">\n\nthose psychopaths illegaly invading Ukraine a sovereign country ... I pray for Ukrainians. Strong people.\nrussia will colapse after this.. not sure whom will be in power then....",
">\n\n🇷🇺 is a Terrorist state",
">\n\nPutin is evil.",
">\n\nIf you gave me a gun with two bullets and put me in a room with Putin, Hitler, and Bin-Laden, I’d shoot all of them several times (I brought my own gun too).",
">\n\nI’d shoot Toby twice.",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state.",
">\n\nWhY wONt UkRaiNE nEgOTiaTe peACe WiTh uS?",
">\n\nThe Russian state is a fucking cancer. What an absolute joke and embarrassment to humanity.",
">\n\nRussia: We sending missles to demilitarize your country! Now we are demanding peace talks!",
">\n\nFuck Russia. I’m so sick of this shit.",
">\n\nPutin is on track to go down as one of the great mass murderers in history. He isn't in the top 10 yet, but he's on his way.",
">\n\nWho's selling the rockets to Ruzzia? Iran? China?",
">\n\nTime for Ukraine to send missiles to Moscow.",
">\n\nPutin's war is officially a failure as today is the 100th anniversary of the creation of the Soviet Union and was to be the day he planned to present the reconstituted borders of the old Soviet Union. Trump was to have pulled the US out of NATO at the last minute before the war started leaving Europe alone in defending Ukraine. With little defenses and no real NATO Russia was to have marched on to retake all the old soviet states in a glorious rewriting of history which Putin called the the worst geopolitical tragedy of the century and blamed the previous Russian leadership for allowing it to happen.\nToday, Putin's grand plan is in tatters. And the writing is on the wall. All the walls, actually.",
">\n\n\nand was to be the day he planned to present the reconstituted borders of the old Soviet Union\n\nSource?\n\nTrump was to have pulled the US out of NATO at the last minute before the war started leaving Europe alone in defending Ukraine\n\nAgain, source?\nActually Nevermind, you don’t have any. Just bullshit.",
">\n\nDo you somehow don’t think that Trump liked NATO? The guy who said he didn’t know if he would support defending smaller nations.\nThe guy who 4 months into his term shared top secret intel with the Russian ambassador.\nThe guy who was still pursuing a Trump branded property in Moscow while campaigning for president?\nThe guy who couldn’t help but praise Putin at every turn?\nThe guy who asked the CIA to share Middle East counterintelligence intel with the FSB with nothing expected in return because he only makes the best deals and is such the good negotiator?\nThe guy who couldn’t help but declare Putin a genius for invading Ukraine, again.\nThe guy who ran anti-NATO ads in the 80’s after a visit to the USSR?\nThat guy?",
">\n\nEnough is enough Ukraine needs to start shooting some missiles into Russia. They have to stop being afraid of angering the Russian people. All the smart ones have left. Start firing away.",
">\n\nReally going for full Nazi Germany on the UK terror bombing.",
">\n\nSo this has been going on almost a year at this point. Genuine question..: can nobody get involved like period? I feel like we just keep watching the Ukraine get fucked up week after week and just go....\"Sad\"",
">\n\nNobody is going to get involved directly because a) you’re risking nuclear conflict and b) basically no country wants to sacrifice their own soldiers in this conflict. And in the case of the USA, which is by far most powerful in NATO, they are shifting focus towards the Pacific anyway. China is a much greater long-term threat than Russia.",
">\n\nI mean let's be honest, Russia won't fire a nuke at the US, it's suicide. But Iv been wondering about that, Ukraine is a sovereign nation, this isn't a civil war....it's totally valid for them to allow another county's military to operate in the borders of their own country. The US could provide air support within UA borders and not technically enter Russian territory. If we are being honest Russia wouldn't be able to do anything. Let the USAF do just 2 days of targeted bombing onto Russian bases within the Ukraine and it would break their entire line",
">\n\nThis is what you do when you run out of troops.",
">\n\nPutler will very soon in the recent future rue the day he let this war be put into motion!",
">\n\nSick and barbaric oxygen thief is what Putin is. Nothing more, except a coward. I hope Karma rips him to shreds.",
">\n\nTerrorists",
">\n\nRemember when everyone thought Russia was a world power. Those were the days.",
">\n\nPeperidge farms remembers",
">\n\nIm getting tired about people saying there are problems about tanks logistics, repair etc. Europe must send tanks jointly Now. I dont want to listen to any excuses. Every european country a part of what it has I dont care about the tanks names",
">\n\n\nEurope must send tanks jointly Now\n\nThis assumes that a lack of tanks is what's holding Ukraine back at the moment...",
">\n\nI am aware of the PR and ethical problems with Ukraine responding with missiles strikes of their own deep inside Russian territory, but a sustained assault on just the Kremlin itself would be justifiable, and a real blow to Russian morale. It’s not like there are many options for Russian escalation at this point, and I don’t think they’ll break out their nukes, if they even work. Russia would be glass within a day if they nuked anywhere in Europe."
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.",
">\n\nRussia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back",
">\n\nCowards",
">\n\nYea look at how the blitz turned out, real win for Germany that was\nWhat’s the point of this, why is Russia doing this what’s the strategic angle",
">\n\nI swear I saw something just too days ago that the kremlin was basically begging for a peace, and yet they continue to act like a spoiled 12yo at McDonalds that didn't get their happy heal.",
">\n\nIf Russia doesn't demilitarize, Ukraine will do it for them.",
">\n\nI don't care anymore if Russia ceases to exist, I only hope the Russian people eventually stand up for what's right, so they don't all have to die with it.",
">\n\nRussia> \"we want to come to the negotiation table\"\nAlso Russia> Pelts Ukraine with billions of rubles of missiles",
">\n\nMy cousin and his wife are there and they're medic, it's been 5 months now he hasn't contacted me or his family yet, last time we spoke he was in lviv.",
">\n\nOk, so now it's really time to stop delaying the inevitable... The west need to get properly involved now. Yes it brings risk, but like I said I think it's inevitable eventually.",
">\n\nman fuck putin",
">\n\nFuck putin and all Russia apologists across the globe. Death to fascists!",
">\n\nthose psychopaths illegaly invading Ukraine a sovereign country ... I pray for Ukrainians. Strong people.\nrussia will colapse after this.. not sure whom will be in power then....",
">\n\n🇷🇺 is a Terrorist state",
">\n\nPutin is evil.",
">\n\nIf you gave me a gun with two bullets and put me in a room with Putin, Hitler, and Bin-Laden, I’d shoot all of them several times (I brought my own gun too).",
">\n\nI’d shoot Toby twice.",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state.",
">\n\nWhY wONt UkRaiNE nEgOTiaTe peACe WiTh uS?",
">\n\nThe Russian state is a fucking cancer. What an absolute joke and embarrassment to humanity.",
">\n\nRussia: We sending missles to demilitarize your country! Now we are demanding peace talks!",
">\n\nFuck Russia. I’m so sick of this shit.",
">\n\nPutin is on track to go down as one of the great mass murderers in history. He isn't in the top 10 yet, but he's on his way.",
">\n\nWho's selling the rockets to Ruzzia? Iran? China?",
">\n\nTime for Ukraine to send missiles to Moscow.",
">\n\nPutin's war is officially a failure as today is the 100th anniversary of the creation of the Soviet Union and was to be the day he planned to present the reconstituted borders of the old Soviet Union. Trump was to have pulled the US out of NATO at the last minute before the war started leaving Europe alone in defending Ukraine. With little defenses and no real NATO Russia was to have marched on to retake all the old soviet states in a glorious rewriting of history which Putin called the the worst geopolitical tragedy of the century and blamed the previous Russian leadership for allowing it to happen.\nToday, Putin's grand plan is in tatters. And the writing is on the wall. All the walls, actually.",
">\n\n\nand was to be the day he planned to present the reconstituted borders of the old Soviet Union\n\nSource?\n\nTrump was to have pulled the US out of NATO at the last minute before the war started leaving Europe alone in defending Ukraine\n\nAgain, source?\nActually Nevermind, you don’t have any. Just bullshit.",
">\n\nDo you somehow don’t think that Trump liked NATO? The guy who said he didn’t know if he would support defending smaller nations.\nThe guy who 4 months into his term shared top secret intel with the Russian ambassador.\nThe guy who was still pursuing a Trump branded property in Moscow while campaigning for president?\nThe guy who couldn’t help but praise Putin at every turn?\nThe guy who asked the CIA to share Middle East counterintelligence intel with the FSB with nothing expected in return because he only makes the best deals and is such the good negotiator?\nThe guy who couldn’t help but declare Putin a genius for invading Ukraine, again.\nThe guy who ran anti-NATO ads in the 80’s after a visit to the USSR?\nThat guy?",
">\n\nEnough is enough Ukraine needs to start shooting some missiles into Russia. They have to stop being afraid of angering the Russian people. All the smart ones have left. Start firing away.",
">\n\nReally going for full Nazi Germany on the UK terror bombing.",
">\n\nSo this has been going on almost a year at this point. Genuine question..: can nobody get involved like period? I feel like we just keep watching the Ukraine get fucked up week after week and just go....\"Sad\"",
">\n\nNobody is going to get involved directly because a) you’re risking nuclear conflict and b) basically no country wants to sacrifice their own soldiers in this conflict. And in the case of the USA, which is by far most powerful in NATO, they are shifting focus towards the Pacific anyway. China is a much greater long-term threat than Russia.",
">\n\nI mean let's be honest, Russia won't fire a nuke at the US, it's suicide. But Iv been wondering about that, Ukraine is a sovereign nation, this isn't a civil war....it's totally valid for them to allow another county's military to operate in the borders of their own country. The US could provide air support within UA borders and not technically enter Russian territory. If we are being honest Russia wouldn't be able to do anything. Let the USAF do just 2 days of targeted bombing onto Russian bases within the Ukraine and it would break their entire line",
">\n\nThis is what you do when you run out of troops.",
">\n\nPutler will very soon in the recent future rue the day he let this war be put into motion!",
">\n\nSick and barbaric oxygen thief is what Putin is. Nothing more, except a coward. I hope Karma rips him to shreds.",
">\n\nTerrorists",
">\n\nRemember when everyone thought Russia was a world power. Those were the days.",
">\n\nPeperidge farms remembers",
">\n\nIm getting tired about people saying there are problems about tanks logistics, repair etc. Europe must send tanks jointly Now. I dont want to listen to any excuses. Every european country a part of what it has I dont care about the tanks names",
">\n\n\nEurope must send tanks jointly Now\n\nThis assumes that a lack of tanks is what's holding Ukraine back at the moment...",
">\n\nI am aware of the PR and ethical problems with Ukraine responding with missiles strikes of their own deep inside Russian territory, but a sustained assault on just the Kremlin itself would be justifiable, and a real blow to Russian morale. It’s not like there are many options for Russian escalation at this point, and I don’t think they’ll break out their nukes, if they even work. Russia would be glass within a day if they nuked anywhere in Europe.",
">\n\nYes, yes, russia, we get it, you have a tiny pp. Enough."
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.",
">\n\nRussia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back",
">\n\nCowards",
">\n\nYea look at how the blitz turned out, real win for Germany that was\nWhat’s the point of this, why is Russia doing this what’s the strategic angle",
">\n\nI swear I saw something just too days ago that the kremlin was basically begging for a peace, and yet they continue to act like a spoiled 12yo at McDonalds that didn't get their happy heal.",
">\n\nIf Russia doesn't demilitarize, Ukraine will do it for them.",
">\n\nI don't care anymore if Russia ceases to exist, I only hope the Russian people eventually stand up for what's right, so they don't all have to die with it.",
">\n\nRussia> \"we want to come to the negotiation table\"\nAlso Russia> Pelts Ukraine with billions of rubles of missiles",
">\n\nMy cousin and his wife are there and they're medic, it's been 5 months now he hasn't contacted me or his family yet, last time we spoke he was in lviv.",
">\n\nOk, so now it's really time to stop delaying the inevitable... The west need to get properly involved now. Yes it brings risk, but like I said I think it's inevitable eventually.",
">\n\nman fuck putin",
">\n\nFuck putin and all Russia apologists across the globe. Death to fascists!",
">\n\nthose psychopaths illegaly invading Ukraine a sovereign country ... I pray for Ukrainians. Strong people.\nrussia will colapse after this.. not sure whom will be in power then....",
">\n\n🇷🇺 is a Terrorist state",
">\n\nPutin is evil.",
">\n\nIf you gave me a gun with two bullets and put me in a room with Putin, Hitler, and Bin-Laden, I’d shoot all of them several times (I brought my own gun too).",
">\n\nI’d shoot Toby twice.",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state.",
">\n\nWhY wONt UkRaiNE nEgOTiaTe peACe WiTh uS?",
">\n\nThe Russian state is a fucking cancer. What an absolute joke and embarrassment to humanity.",
">\n\nRussia: We sending missles to demilitarize your country! Now we are demanding peace talks!",
">\n\nFuck Russia. I’m so sick of this shit.",
">\n\nPutin is on track to go down as one of the great mass murderers in history. He isn't in the top 10 yet, but he's on his way.",
">\n\nWho's selling the rockets to Ruzzia? Iran? China?",
">\n\nTime for Ukraine to send missiles to Moscow.",
">\n\nPutin's war is officially a failure as today is the 100th anniversary of the creation of the Soviet Union and was to be the day he planned to present the reconstituted borders of the old Soviet Union. Trump was to have pulled the US out of NATO at the last minute before the war started leaving Europe alone in defending Ukraine. With little defenses and no real NATO Russia was to have marched on to retake all the old soviet states in a glorious rewriting of history which Putin called the the worst geopolitical tragedy of the century and blamed the previous Russian leadership for allowing it to happen.\nToday, Putin's grand plan is in tatters. And the writing is on the wall. All the walls, actually.",
">\n\n\nand was to be the day he planned to present the reconstituted borders of the old Soviet Union\n\nSource?\n\nTrump was to have pulled the US out of NATO at the last minute before the war started leaving Europe alone in defending Ukraine\n\nAgain, source?\nActually Nevermind, you don’t have any. Just bullshit.",
">\n\nDo you somehow don’t think that Trump liked NATO? The guy who said he didn’t know if he would support defending smaller nations.\nThe guy who 4 months into his term shared top secret intel with the Russian ambassador.\nThe guy who was still pursuing a Trump branded property in Moscow while campaigning for president?\nThe guy who couldn’t help but praise Putin at every turn?\nThe guy who asked the CIA to share Middle East counterintelligence intel with the FSB with nothing expected in return because he only makes the best deals and is such the good negotiator?\nThe guy who couldn’t help but declare Putin a genius for invading Ukraine, again.\nThe guy who ran anti-NATO ads in the 80’s after a visit to the USSR?\nThat guy?",
">\n\nEnough is enough Ukraine needs to start shooting some missiles into Russia. They have to stop being afraid of angering the Russian people. All the smart ones have left. Start firing away.",
">\n\nReally going for full Nazi Germany on the UK terror bombing.",
">\n\nSo this has been going on almost a year at this point. Genuine question..: can nobody get involved like period? I feel like we just keep watching the Ukraine get fucked up week after week and just go....\"Sad\"",
">\n\nNobody is going to get involved directly because a) you’re risking nuclear conflict and b) basically no country wants to sacrifice their own soldiers in this conflict. And in the case of the USA, which is by far most powerful in NATO, they are shifting focus towards the Pacific anyway. China is a much greater long-term threat than Russia.",
">\n\nI mean let's be honest, Russia won't fire a nuke at the US, it's suicide. But Iv been wondering about that, Ukraine is a sovereign nation, this isn't a civil war....it's totally valid for them to allow another county's military to operate in the borders of their own country. The US could provide air support within UA borders and not technically enter Russian territory. If we are being honest Russia wouldn't be able to do anything. Let the USAF do just 2 days of targeted bombing onto Russian bases within the Ukraine and it would break their entire line",
">\n\nThis is what you do when you run out of troops.",
">\n\nPutler will very soon in the recent future rue the day he let this war be put into motion!",
">\n\nSick and barbaric oxygen thief is what Putin is. Nothing more, except a coward. I hope Karma rips him to shreds.",
">\n\nTerrorists",
">\n\nRemember when everyone thought Russia was a world power. Those were the days.",
">\n\nPeperidge farms remembers",
">\n\nIm getting tired about people saying there are problems about tanks logistics, repair etc. Europe must send tanks jointly Now. I dont want to listen to any excuses. Every european country a part of what it has I dont care about the tanks names",
">\n\n\nEurope must send tanks jointly Now\n\nThis assumes that a lack of tanks is what's holding Ukraine back at the moment...",
">\n\nI am aware of the PR and ethical problems with Ukraine responding with missiles strikes of their own deep inside Russian territory, but a sustained assault on just the Kremlin itself would be justifiable, and a real blow to Russian morale. It’s not like there are many options for Russian escalation at this point, and I don’t think they’ll break out their nukes, if they even work. Russia would be glass within a day if they nuked anywhere in Europe.",
">\n\nYes, yes, russia, we get it, you have a tiny pp. Enough.",
">\n\nNew markets are forming to circumvent the sanctions, and Russia is able to increase production of missiles along with purchasing more suicide drones."
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.",
">\n\nRussia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back",
">\n\nCowards",
">\n\nYea look at how the blitz turned out, real win for Germany that was\nWhat’s the point of this, why is Russia doing this what’s the strategic angle",
">\n\nI swear I saw something just too days ago that the kremlin was basically begging for a peace, and yet they continue to act like a spoiled 12yo at McDonalds that didn't get their happy heal.",
">\n\nIf Russia doesn't demilitarize, Ukraine will do it for them.",
">\n\nI don't care anymore if Russia ceases to exist, I only hope the Russian people eventually stand up for what's right, so they don't all have to die with it.",
">\n\nRussia> \"we want to come to the negotiation table\"\nAlso Russia> Pelts Ukraine with billions of rubles of missiles",
">\n\nMy cousin and his wife are there and they're medic, it's been 5 months now he hasn't contacted me or his family yet, last time we spoke he was in lviv.",
">\n\nOk, so now it's really time to stop delaying the inevitable... The west need to get properly involved now. Yes it brings risk, but like I said I think it's inevitable eventually.",
">\n\nman fuck putin",
">\n\nFuck putin and all Russia apologists across the globe. Death to fascists!",
">\n\nthose psychopaths illegaly invading Ukraine a sovereign country ... I pray for Ukrainians. Strong people.\nrussia will colapse after this.. not sure whom will be in power then....",
">\n\n🇷🇺 is a Terrorist state",
">\n\nPutin is evil.",
">\n\nIf you gave me a gun with two bullets and put me in a room with Putin, Hitler, and Bin-Laden, I’d shoot all of them several times (I brought my own gun too).",
">\n\nI’d shoot Toby twice.",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state.",
">\n\nWhY wONt UkRaiNE nEgOTiaTe peACe WiTh uS?",
">\n\nThe Russian state is a fucking cancer. What an absolute joke and embarrassment to humanity.",
">\n\nRussia: We sending missles to demilitarize your country! Now we are demanding peace talks!",
">\n\nFuck Russia. I’m so sick of this shit.",
">\n\nPutin is on track to go down as one of the great mass murderers in history. He isn't in the top 10 yet, but he's on his way.",
">\n\nWho's selling the rockets to Ruzzia? Iran? China?",
">\n\nTime for Ukraine to send missiles to Moscow.",
">\n\nPutin's war is officially a failure as today is the 100th anniversary of the creation of the Soviet Union and was to be the day he planned to present the reconstituted borders of the old Soviet Union. Trump was to have pulled the US out of NATO at the last minute before the war started leaving Europe alone in defending Ukraine. With little defenses and no real NATO Russia was to have marched on to retake all the old soviet states in a glorious rewriting of history which Putin called the the worst geopolitical tragedy of the century and blamed the previous Russian leadership for allowing it to happen.\nToday, Putin's grand plan is in tatters. And the writing is on the wall. All the walls, actually.",
">\n\n\nand was to be the day he planned to present the reconstituted borders of the old Soviet Union\n\nSource?\n\nTrump was to have pulled the US out of NATO at the last minute before the war started leaving Europe alone in defending Ukraine\n\nAgain, source?\nActually Nevermind, you don’t have any. Just bullshit.",
">\n\nDo you somehow don’t think that Trump liked NATO? The guy who said he didn’t know if he would support defending smaller nations.\nThe guy who 4 months into his term shared top secret intel with the Russian ambassador.\nThe guy who was still pursuing a Trump branded property in Moscow while campaigning for president?\nThe guy who couldn’t help but praise Putin at every turn?\nThe guy who asked the CIA to share Middle East counterintelligence intel with the FSB with nothing expected in return because he only makes the best deals and is such the good negotiator?\nThe guy who couldn’t help but declare Putin a genius for invading Ukraine, again.\nThe guy who ran anti-NATO ads in the 80’s after a visit to the USSR?\nThat guy?",
">\n\nEnough is enough Ukraine needs to start shooting some missiles into Russia. They have to stop being afraid of angering the Russian people. All the smart ones have left. Start firing away.",
">\n\nReally going for full Nazi Germany on the UK terror bombing.",
">\n\nSo this has been going on almost a year at this point. Genuine question..: can nobody get involved like period? I feel like we just keep watching the Ukraine get fucked up week after week and just go....\"Sad\"",
">\n\nNobody is going to get involved directly because a) you’re risking nuclear conflict and b) basically no country wants to sacrifice their own soldiers in this conflict. And in the case of the USA, which is by far most powerful in NATO, they are shifting focus towards the Pacific anyway. China is a much greater long-term threat than Russia.",
">\n\nI mean let's be honest, Russia won't fire a nuke at the US, it's suicide. But Iv been wondering about that, Ukraine is a sovereign nation, this isn't a civil war....it's totally valid for them to allow another county's military to operate in the borders of their own country. The US could provide air support within UA borders and not technically enter Russian territory. If we are being honest Russia wouldn't be able to do anything. Let the USAF do just 2 days of targeted bombing onto Russian bases within the Ukraine and it would break their entire line",
">\n\nThis is what you do when you run out of troops.",
">\n\nPutler will very soon in the recent future rue the day he let this war be put into motion!",
">\n\nSick and barbaric oxygen thief is what Putin is. Nothing more, except a coward. I hope Karma rips him to shreds.",
">\n\nTerrorists",
">\n\nRemember when everyone thought Russia was a world power. Those were the days.",
">\n\nPeperidge farms remembers",
">\n\nIm getting tired about people saying there are problems about tanks logistics, repair etc. Europe must send tanks jointly Now. I dont want to listen to any excuses. Every european country a part of what it has I dont care about the tanks names",
">\n\n\nEurope must send tanks jointly Now\n\nThis assumes that a lack of tanks is what's holding Ukraine back at the moment...",
">\n\nI am aware of the PR and ethical problems with Ukraine responding with missiles strikes of their own deep inside Russian territory, but a sustained assault on just the Kremlin itself would be justifiable, and a real blow to Russian morale. It’s not like there are many options for Russian escalation at this point, and I don’t think they’ll break out their nukes, if they even work. Russia would be glass within a day if they nuked anywhere in Europe.",
">\n\nYes, yes, russia, we get it, you have a tiny pp. Enough.",
">\n\nNew markets are forming to circumvent the sanctions, and Russia is able to increase production of missiles along with purchasing more suicide drones.",
">\n\nRuzzia is a terrorist state"
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I don’t know about the Ukrainians but every time this happens I send a note asking my Senator and Congressman if there is any more we can do. It’s like the Russians want us to break out the good stuff and send it to Ukraine.
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.",
">\n\nRussia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back",
">\n\nCowards",
">\n\nYea look at how the blitz turned out, real win for Germany that was\nWhat’s the point of this, why is Russia doing this what’s the strategic angle",
">\n\nI swear I saw something just too days ago that the kremlin was basically begging for a peace, and yet they continue to act like a spoiled 12yo at McDonalds that didn't get their happy heal.",
">\n\nIf Russia doesn't demilitarize, Ukraine will do it for them.",
">\n\nI don't care anymore if Russia ceases to exist, I only hope the Russian people eventually stand up for what's right, so they don't all have to die with it.",
">\n\nRussia> \"we want to come to the negotiation table\"\nAlso Russia> Pelts Ukraine with billions of rubles of missiles",
">\n\nMy cousin and his wife are there and they're medic, it's been 5 months now he hasn't contacted me or his family yet, last time we spoke he was in lviv.",
">\n\nOk, so now it's really time to stop delaying the inevitable... The west need to get properly involved now. Yes it brings risk, but like I said I think it's inevitable eventually.",
">\n\nman fuck putin",
">\n\nFuck putin and all Russia apologists across the globe. Death to fascists!",
">\n\nthose psychopaths illegaly invading Ukraine a sovereign country ... I pray for Ukrainians. Strong people.\nrussia will colapse after this.. not sure whom will be in power then....",
">\n\n🇷🇺 is a Terrorist state",
">\n\nPutin is evil.",
">\n\nIf you gave me a gun with two bullets and put me in a room with Putin, Hitler, and Bin-Laden, I’d shoot all of them several times (I brought my own gun too).",
">\n\nI’d shoot Toby twice.",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state.",
">\n\nWhY wONt UkRaiNE nEgOTiaTe peACe WiTh uS?",
">\n\nThe Russian state is a fucking cancer. What an absolute joke and embarrassment to humanity.",
">\n\nRussia: We sending missles to demilitarize your country! Now we are demanding peace talks!",
">\n\nFuck Russia. I’m so sick of this shit.",
">\n\nPutin is on track to go down as one of the great mass murderers in history. He isn't in the top 10 yet, but he's on his way.",
">\n\nWho's selling the rockets to Ruzzia? Iran? China?",
">\n\nTime for Ukraine to send missiles to Moscow.",
">\n\nPutin's war is officially a failure as today is the 100th anniversary of the creation of the Soviet Union and was to be the day he planned to present the reconstituted borders of the old Soviet Union. Trump was to have pulled the US out of NATO at the last minute before the war started leaving Europe alone in defending Ukraine. With little defenses and no real NATO Russia was to have marched on to retake all the old soviet states in a glorious rewriting of history which Putin called the the worst geopolitical tragedy of the century and blamed the previous Russian leadership for allowing it to happen.\nToday, Putin's grand plan is in tatters. And the writing is on the wall. All the walls, actually.",
">\n\n\nand was to be the day he planned to present the reconstituted borders of the old Soviet Union\n\nSource?\n\nTrump was to have pulled the US out of NATO at the last minute before the war started leaving Europe alone in defending Ukraine\n\nAgain, source?\nActually Nevermind, you don’t have any. Just bullshit.",
">\n\nDo you somehow don’t think that Trump liked NATO? The guy who said he didn’t know if he would support defending smaller nations.\nThe guy who 4 months into his term shared top secret intel with the Russian ambassador.\nThe guy who was still pursuing a Trump branded property in Moscow while campaigning for president?\nThe guy who couldn’t help but praise Putin at every turn?\nThe guy who asked the CIA to share Middle East counterintelligence intel with the FSB with nothing expected in return because he only makes the best deals and is such the good negotiator?\nThe guy who couldn’t help but declare Putin a genius for invading Ukraine, again.\nThe guy who ran anti-NATO ads in the 80’s after a visit to the USSR?\nThat guy?",
">\n\nEnough is enough Ukraine needs to start shooting some missiles into Russia. They have to stop being afraid of angering the Russian people. All the smart ones have left. Start firing away.",
">\n\nReally going for full Nazi Germany on the UK terror bombing.",
">\n\nSo this has been going on almost a year at this point. Genuine question..: can nobody get involved like period? I feel like we just keep watching the Ukraine get fucked up week after week and just go....\"Sad\"",
">\n\nNobody is going to get involved directly because a) you’re risking nuclear conflict and b) basically no country wants to sacrifice their own soldiers in this conflict. And in the case of the USA, which is by far most powerful in NATO, they are shifting focus towards the Pacific anyway. China is a much greater long-term threat than Russia.",
">\n\nI mean let's be honest, Russia won't fire a nuke at the US, it's suicide. But Iv been wondering about that, Ukraine is a sovereign nation, this isn't a civil war....it's totally valid for them to allow another county's military to operate in the borders of their own country. The US could provide air support within UA borders and not technically enter Russian territory. If we are being honest Russia wouldn't be able to do anything. Let the USAF do just 2 days of targeted bombing onto Russian bases within the Ukraine and it would break their entire line",
">\n\nThis is what you do when you run out of troops.",
">\n\nPutler will very soon in the recent future rue the day he let this war be put into motion!",
">\n\nSick and barbaric oxygen thief is what Putin is. Nothing more, except a coward. I hope Karma rips him to shreds.",
">\n\nTerrorists",
">\n\nRemember when everyone thought Russia was a world power. Those were the days.",
">\n\nPeperidge farms remembers",
">\n\nIm getting tired about people saying there are problems about tanks logistics, repair etc. Europe must send tanks jointly Now. I dont want to listen to any excuses. Every european country a part of what it has I dont care about the tanks names",
">\n\n\nEurope must send tanks jointly Now\n\nThis assumes that a lack of tanks is what's holding Ukraine back at the moment...",
">\n\nI am aware of the PR and ethical problems with Ukraine responding with missiles strikes of their own deep inside Russian territory, but a sustained assault on just the Kremlin itself would be justifiable, and a real blow to Russian morale. It’s not like there are many options for Russian escalation at this point, and I don’t think they’ll break out their nukes, if they even work. Russia would be glass within a day if they nuked anywhere in Europe.",
">\n\nYes, yes, russia, we get it, you have a tiny pp. Enough.",
">\n\nNew markets are forming to circumvent the sanctions, and Russia is able to increase production of missiles along with purchasing more suicide drones.",
">\n\nRuzzia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nSLAVA UKRAINE!!!"
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Patiently waiting for Putin to f--- up and cross the line so NATO can take control of the air and stop the shenanigans. Someone will assissinate him very shortly if that happens I'm sure. Then hopefully they blame it all on him and stop this needless war.
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"They want a humanitarian crisis and weaken morale inside Ukrainian society.",
">\n\nIt’s literally never worked before. People get angry and then go back to work, production increases sometimes. Even in Japan after the nukes and Tokyo fire bombings, the population never cracked.",
">\n\nIt only works if there's already dissent for whomever is in power before the war and the attackers can be viewed as a sort of liberator.\nI don't think Russia honestly thinks the people of Western Ukraine would ever willingly concede to them. Even at the start of the invasion a lot of rumblings were about letting Lviv remain as the sole \"independent\" Ukraine with everything east of the mountains becoming occupied. This is just taking out the frustrations of Russia's ineffectiveness on the people of Ukraine.",
">\n\nRussia is wasting their dumbass missiles. 90% are getting shot down. Soon all chips from RU dishwashers will be exhausted.",
">\n\nI thought the news said they were already out of missiles and had to use shitty Iranian suicide drones. Is somebody else selling missiles to them?",
">\n\nRunning out means they are approaching what experts predict would be a safe reserve. Between shaving the margins on their reserves, and what production they can continue on their missiles they can make more. Not as fast as they are using them of course. At some point the rate of attacks will slow down as it takes longer to get a salvo ready.",
">\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\nThey just launched one of their biggest volleys and again the experts say: anytime now they're going to run out.\nYou're also saying the same thing.\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true. Or the missiles get shot down, or they hit their targets. Shot down missiles can not hit their targets but apparently, that's what's happening in Ukraine if we choose to believe these reports.\nIt's all not making sense. It's all propaganda from both sides. \nLet's just say: we don't know. Shit's fucked.",
">\n\n\nThey've been running out, according to the experts, since march.\n\nNot according to experts no. Unless you mean Reddit armchair generals.\nNo experts thought Russia was running out of missiles in March. \nLikewise with this:\n\nSame with the 80-90% shot down. Whole cities are on fire, electricity is down. Those two things can not be both true.\n\nThere aren't whole cities on fire but yes electricity is down. But how many missiles do you think it takes to knock out electricity? It isn't that many. Ukraine isn't a rich country, they don't have above average redundancy in their grid. \nLook at Texas - they had a major grid outage a year and a half ago that took hundreds of lives and causes hundreds of billions of dollars in property and economic damage. For winter storms they knew were coming - not one single missile or drone blew up a substation or transmission line.",
">\n\nPeople already forgetting that power went down in the US last month from a bunch of rednecks shooting at transformers. Seems plausible that missiles could do the job.",
">\n\nWe lost power for 24 hours this week due to 50 mph winds knocking down tens of thousands of trees across our city.",
">\n\nNow Ukraine will fire 1 missile into Russian and the Kremlin will cry foul and say that it's not fair.",
">\n\nAnd they'll hit a military target.",
">\n\nAnd 8 boats will spontaneously sink.",
">\n\nAnd 8 more Russian Oligarchs will accidentally fall out of windows.",
">\n\nAnd 9 tank turrets will take off",
">\n\n5 GOLDEN RINGS!!!! Oh wait",
">\n\nOmg THAT was golden.",
">\n\nImagine the uproar from the Kremlin if Ukraine started striking Moscow....",
">\n\nThey’d claim it was an unprovoked attack, take it as a declaration of war, and send nukes instead of just missiles",
">\n\n\"we had to, otherwise we would 'look weak'\"",
">\n\nAmazing that Russia turned out to be “Toxic Masculinity: The Country”",
">\n\nYou miss where they made domestic abuse legal in 2017?",
">\n\nAs we can see another sucessful hit on a strategic road crossing to the tactical bakery",
">\n\nThat bakery was an army barracks training hundreds of gingerbread men",
">\n\nThey were producing muffins of mass destruction!",
">\n\nRussia is such a piece of shit.",
">\n\nLet’s remember this next time a video of Russians hugging as they die in the trenches surfaces. \nUkraine doesn’t want them there. They want to just live their lives, and yet they are continually terrorized and hundreds of thousands of them have been massacre’d, just for existing. \nFuck Russia.",
">\n\nDon't forget all the kidnapped children, Russia is literally stealing kids like some horrible fairytale.",
">\n\nRussia was having a population crisis before 2022, it's rapidly been accelerated. These children are all part of the re-population plan.",
">\n\nIf genocide is part of your repopulation plan, you don’t deserve a population",
">\n\nAgreed.",
">\n\nEvery time Ukraine at the verge of making a military break through in the front line, Russia will launch everything randomly towards Ukraine. Just like the tantrum of a spoiled child.",
">\n\nEventually the impact wears off. It’s at its peak now due to being winter, once it changes momentum swings back in Ukraines favour.",
">\n\nEspecially once the ground freezes enough in the south for Ukraine to start major counter offensives.",
">\n\nI know they’ve got big eyes for Melitopol and eastern Kherson at the moment could be a massacre for the Russians pushed back into Crimea (with an assault there not too far behind) \nThere’s also talk that they’re close to taking Kremiina even without the ground freezing.",
">\n\nI don't see an assault on Crimea in the realm of possibility, who is talking about such an outcome? Liberation of Donbas seems more plausible and pre 2022 borders, but I don't see Ukraine pushing through the narrow Perekop Isthmus to say less of an amphibious assault...",
">\n\nAn assault isn't necessary if they had longer range missiles and could take out a certain bridge and some other critical supply infrastructure. They can just keep applying pressure to the supply lines until the Russians starve or run out of ammo and then just squeeze them out.",
">\n\nI think its high time that the US let's them have the longer range missiles for the HIMARS, wbu?",
">\n\nGive them that and you can knock that bridge into Crimea out.",
">\n\nThis pattern is getting depressingly familiar. Ukraine about to make a significant gain on the front line. \nQuick send in the missiles to show how “powerful” we are. \nThe irony is that Russia is just making Ukraine’s plea for additional support harder to ignore.",
">\n\nIs more like \"we can't kill the soldiers, then try with their family\". Typical mafia coward methods.",
">\n\nKill them before they become soldiers",
">\n\nThats how you get more volunteers to become soldiers out of vengeance 💀",
">\n\nOf course. But they need to learn the same lessons we learned in the Middle East and every single war we ever fight. Apparently no one learns that lesson lol",
">\n\nBut remember this is not a war guyz…",
">\n\nIt’s a terrorist attack.",
">\n\nI am no war expert, but wouldn't it be more effective to drop those bombs on military targets instead? Surely bombing schools and random apartments won't do shit. Just makes the people in Ukraine more pissed off.",
">\n\nIt won't. The logic behind it(intimidating your opponent into giving up because the cost of continuing to fight is too high on civilians) sounds sound...but just isn't backed up by data. No bombing campaign on civilian centers or infrastructure ever made the nation give up(not even the nukes being dropped on japan directly caused it, it was just the final nail in the coffin due to Japanase already having lost militarily clearly and just couldn't agree internally on what kind of peace they want). Heck usually even it's impact on the nation's ability to produce military goods is relativly minor(some factories in germany got bombed literally dozens of times throughout the war but still continued producing, even if at reduced capacity).",
">\n\nYou say this like America doesn't immediately target this kind of infrastructure during its wars, too.\nThis is standard wartime assholery.",
">\n\nIf it was just the infrastructure, fine. But they are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. That's just terrorism.",
">\n\nRussia doesn't have the force saturation capable of destroying or suppressing Ukrainian infrastructure at least not across the whole country nor for very long. A decently sized missile attack about 1-2 times a month will damage and disrupt the situation temporarily but most shit is either fixed, replaced or supplemented by another part of the energy grid. Not to mention if Ukraine is to be believed between 50-85% of drones and missiles are destroyed with the percentage only going up. The worst it got was October/November when 40-50% of the Grid was damaged in some way. But Ukraine is getting more air defense and the number of destroyed missiles is only getting higher.\nNot to mention they can't directly blow up Ukrainian Nuclear power plants either which are also supplying a ton of electric power.\nIt'd would need something akin to the USAF and RAF 1944-1945 level of consistency and power to actually wear down Ukraine and even then it would take months to actually have an affect on the front.\nThe most this does is make Ukraine use up it's air defence systems and rockets which is why Gepard Anti air systems and western supplied air defense systems have been going into Ukraine basically negating the the losses Ukraine suffers in attrition. We need to send Ukraine more of these systems.",
">\n\nEnough to cover all of Ukraine please. Then ruzzia has nothing left... unless they want ww3 knowing they would be decimated by NATO",
">\n\nUkraine needs to send the same amount of naval drone boats to Novorussysk oil ports. \nFuck Pootin.",
">\n\nCongratulations Putin, you have only hardened Ukraine's resolve and pointed more guns at yourself.",
">\n\nDo we have a problem?",
">\n\nIf Russians know whats good for them, they should keep what they have got\nLong wars always favor the defenders",
">\n\nPutin can suck my shriveled dick.",
">\n\nAs a Russian I think he can suck a gun barrel, shriveled or not 🤷♂️",
">\n\nHe should be strapped to the same missiles that are being lauched at Ukraine, except aimed and lauched at his vanity bridge (Kerch bridge that is). Two birds, one missile",
">\n\nBetter toward his palace",
">\n\nAll they can do attack cities. How low and degraded have the Russians become?",
">\n\nThey lack the technology for precision. Cities are big enough that they can claim success if they hit anything. That's my guess. I'm sure there are twisted people that want to target civilians specifically, but I think maybe most of them are just twisted in a different way where they just don't care what they hit, so long as they hit.",
">\n\nHitler made the same mistake bombing the UK. The “blitz” just stiffened the Brits resolve. \nIn the end it is the will of the people of Ukraine that will be the deciding factor.",
">\n\nIt was also a tactical waste of resources, as the London Blitz had very little strategic benefit, pulling resources away from potentially hitting military installations, and giving the RAF time to repair and reorganize.",
">\n\nPutin seems to follow in those footsteps.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation must be dissolved.",
">\n\nUnfortunately that won't happen unless russia is occupied. Nazi Germany lost WW2 only because it was, and Japan lost because it was hit with 2 nukes.",
">\n\nThe Russian Federation will dissolve when its vassal republics walk away, no longer in fear of Russia's toothless army.",
">\n\nThere are no vassal republics, save for maybe Belarus, except for the rumors that it might be absorbed into Russia proper any day.\nIf you mean the internal regions that are euphemistically called “autonomous republics” or whatever, then no, they are neither autonomous nor republics.",
">\n\nUkraine gives up its weapons of mass destruction so Russia will feel safe and leave them alone only for Russia to pull this shit off down the road and hide behind weapons of mass destruction. The amount of restraint Ukraine has for not retaliating across the border is boundless for the amount of disrespect hurled at them.",
">\n\nThey’re being held back. \nI think the deal is, if they want the international community to give money and weapons then they must not use the weapons on russian soil. \nAfter all the west wants the long term effects of a war of attrition to work against russia. And they’re probably telling Ukraine to not worry since the west will rebuild Ukraine. \nI’m an armchair Reddit political scientist so this is just me guessing, but it makes sense to me.",
">\n\nI also just don’t see what Ukraine has to gain by stretching their military into a foreign nation.\nThe same was true for Russia when they started this whole thing, but Putin’s an idiot and Zelenskiy isn’t.",
">\n\nMurderous petulance.\nGive Ukraine whatever and whoever it needs to end this.",
">\n\nFucking cunts.",
">\n\nDamn. This shit makes me dislike Russia a lot more than reading about the bad shit they did in history books. I will never in my life give one tourist dollar to Russia after this",
">\n\nI wonder what they’d do with it if they got it, no one is going to help them. They’ve just impoverished generations for nothing. Just to say they have poor “Russians”. I hope Ukraine hangs in there, may the powers that be give them strength.",
">\n\nAll Russia is doing is giving Ukraine incentive to keep fighting back, I mean why would they trust someone who fires on civilian targets and does a bs invasion when he already controls more land than anyone in the world",
">\n\nIt seems they intend to keep doing it for years to come.",
">\n\nYeah Putin's days are numbered, I guess he figures he might as well use up all the missiles.",
">\n\nWelp that’s enough Reddit for me today. 😢",
">\n\nStay strong Ukraine! Fuck Russia!",
">\n\nI hope Putin and all of his cronies get the Mussolini treatment when this is all over",
">\n\nMaybe we could start earlier... Where's all the killer commandos at which Hollywood kept telling us about.",
">\n\nUkraine needs volumes of cruise missiles... 100s...",
">\n\nMonsters",
">\n\nIt's about time Ukraine starts sending some serious strikes into Russia. Enough of this nonsense",
">\n\nPutin needs to re-read history and think about how England withstood Hitler’s bombing and missile attacks in WWII. Boots on the ground win wars (ok, not nuclear weapons) and the Ukraine military has punished the Russian military so far",
">\n\nIt really is time to give Ukraine longer range weapons.",
">\n\nThey sure are firing a lot of their missiles the past few weeks. I wonder if they've given any thought at all as to what happens when they run out and can't easily replace them?",
">\n\nThey are thinking ahead with massive missile strike; Ukraine will give up and Russia will be ahead. 👀🙈\nEdit: I'm really naive about labeling sarcasm here; thought the emojis would help....\nRussia doesn't have the proper help to strategically win this war. \nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife",
">\n\n\nEven if Zelenski gave up now, Russia would be strewn with discord and rife\n\nThis. Even if the official Ukraine government did surrender, Russia would have a far worse time until they pull out completely.",
">\n\nCan't wait for the downfall of Russian society. I hope it happens in my lifetime, and this absolutely ruins that terrorist state",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nThe only thing necessary for evil to win is good people do nothing. Make the difference.",
">\n\nOne thing I truly find baffling is the \"what about Donbass\" comment. Every single time someone accuses Russia of being a piece of shit country for starting a war, there is that comment. \nOne, if it is possible to defend your land in 2022 without civilian casualties and shelling, why isn't Russia doing it now? Ukraine would've taken Donbass in 2014 without any casualties if it could, but it's just not possible due to how modern combat works. Russia certainly has zero problems murdering tens of thousands of civilians. No matter how much of a hardcore Putin bot you are, you can not look at Mariupol and say \"Yeah, Ukraine shelled all of that\". The scale of devastation is imense. Troops fight in cities because that's where battles are, just the way it is, nobody is just going to a fucking empty field. This is why war has to be avoided in the first place.\nTwo, if Russians care about doing the right thing so much, protecting the Russian speaking population, protecting Ukrainians from nazis, protecting the \"motherland\", and all of that crap, how does killing more Ukrainian civilians now help the dead civilians from years ago? Why not just retreat your army from Ukraine to achieve zero casualties? Ukraine wouldn't keep attacking Donbass if Russian troops weren't there. Isn't that the right thing to do if you truly care about saving people, to not escalate the situation? Are the dead Ukrainian kids or their grandparents nazis? Is everyone killed a nazi? \nJust imagine if Russia did not arm separatists and did not move their stupid ass troops intro Ukraine, imagine if they just retreated the second the battle for Donbas was about to begin. How much harm would be avoided? Are 200k+ dead people worth the cause of \"protecting the Russian language\"? \nBut we all know that it's not about doing the right thing anyway, it's about Putin being too powerful for his own good and Russian people being too complacent. It's not like democracies are perfect, but it's damn good to switch leaders up once in a while, otherwise they'll have self-inflated worth. People talk about Zelenskyy being corrupt and a oligarch, but they somehow forgot to include Putin and most politicians in that category. It's only Zelenskyy and Ukraine who are evil, but no, not Russia. The bot farms are working well. There are too many brainwashed idiots who claim they care about freedom, that are watching Fox News and support Russia. So many stupid contrarians who think they're smart. \nBy the way, I am no leftist, just as I'm not from the right, I hate being 100% for one party. But right now it feels like if the left said not eating shit is good for you, the right would eat shit just to piss off leftists, and vice versa.",
">\n\nIt's the only thing that they can do. We really need to crack down on any supplies needed to make more missiles as well as getting more air defense equipment to Ukraine. I can only hope from my sofa that the people in charge in sane countries are on top of it.",
">\n\nBag of dicks Russia. Bunch of assholes.",
">\n\nHard to believe a human being can make millions of people suffer for a completely bullshit reason and sleep just fine.",
">\n\nI wonder if today will be the day Putin falls out of a window.",
">\n\nThe London blitz and Vietnamese war both showed that bombing civilians just hardens their resolve and unites them. Could it be that the Russian leadership doesn't know this? If they do then this is pure cruelty. If they don't they're awfully stupid.",
">\n\nI hate Russia",
">\n\nBut yet there are still people across this world that believe the disgusting pile of excrement, Putin, wants ,\"peace\". He doesn't want peace, he wants a piece of UKRAINIAN LAND. What a pile of shit.",
">\n\n55 of 69 missiles were destroyed and 11 Iranian drones were destroyed as reported by Ukraine.",
">\n\nDidn't Pooter...ahem...Put-IN just kill off his top military general like....Yesterday?\nI mean, dude I'm on my period too, but you don't see LITERAL MASSACRES when I'm feeling pissy.\nThis guy is far beyond psychooooo",
">\n\nOnly a terrorist state would act like that.",
">\n\nFuck, and I cannot stress this enough, FUCK Putin.",
">\n\nThey're trying to get as many shots in before the patriot missiles arrive to block them out completely. They've got stockpiles of rotting missiles, if they don't use them in this war then they'll never use them, and the defence system that can block them 100% is arriving within a few weeks. Russia is just going to throw as much garbage as they can over the property line before Ukraine puts up the fence. \nIf people die over this bullshit, I want to see something like the Nuremberg trials when this is all over",
">\n\nDo not kid yourself, one Patriot battery won't be able to destroy everything hostile flying over Ukraine. It's a huge country. It will certainly help to protect one decently sized area, but that's it.",
">\n\nImagine if we create like those massive force field the gun guns sued in phantom menace to permanently solve this problem",
">\n\nor we just create MegaMan.",
">\n\nX or classic?",
">\n\nRussia showing off how willing and able it is to kill women and children. \nEvery time I see news like this I donate more money to Ukraine.",
">\n\nParallels with this are in 1944 when Hitler unleashed the V1 and V2’s in an effort to obliterate London.\nIt didn’t work then and it won’t work now, this just signals the desperation of a failing regime as it plummets toward insignificance.",
">\n\nRussia is that annoying kid in primary school who beats you up but then starts crying when you hit him back",
">\n\nCowards",
">\n\nYea look at how the blitz turned out, real win for Germany that was\nWhat’s the point of this, why is Russia doing this what’s the strategic angle",
">\n\nI swear I saw something just too days ago that the kremlin was basically begging for a peace, and yet they continue to act like a spoiled 12yo at McDonalds that didn't get their happy heal.",
">\n\nIf Russia doesn't demilitarize, Ukraine will do it for them.",
">\n\nI don't care anymore if Russia ceases to exist, I only hope the Russian people eventually stand up for what's right, so they don't all have to die with it.",
">\n\nRussia> \"we want to come to the negotiation table\"\nAlso Russia> Pelts Ukraine with billions of rubles of missiles",
">\n\nMy cousin and his wife are there and they're medic, it's been 5 months now he hasn't contacted me or his family yet, last time we spoke he was in lviv.",
">\n\nOk, so now it's really time to stop delaying the inevitable... The west need to get properly involved now. Yes it brings risk, but like I said I think it's inevitable eventually.",
">\n\nman fuck putin",
">\n\nFuck putin and all Russia apologists across the globe. Death to fascists!",
">\n\nthose psychopaths illegaly invading Ukraine a sovereign country ... I pray for Ukrainians. Strong people.\nrussia will colapse after this.. not sure whom will be in power then....",
">\n\n🇷🇺 is a Terrorist state",
">\n\nPutin is evil.",
">\n\nIf you gave me a gun with two bullets and put me in a room with Putin, Hitler, and Bin-Laden, I’d shoot all of them several times (I brought my own gun too).",
">\n\nI’d shoot Toby twice.",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist state.",
">\n\nWhY wONt UkRaiNE nEgOTiaTe peACe WiTh uS?",
">\n\nThe Russian state is a fucking cancer. What an absolute joke and embarrassment to humanity.",
">\n\nRussia: We sending missles to demilitarize your country! Now we are demanding peace talks!",
">\n\nFuck Russia. I’m so sick of this shit.",
">\n\nPutin is on track to go down as one of the great mass murderers in history. He isn't in the top 10 yet, but he's on his way.",
">\n\nWho's selling the rockets to Ruzzia? Iran? China?",
">\n\nTime for Ukraine to send missiles to Moscow.",
">\n\nPutin's war is officially a failure as today is the 100th anniversary of the creation of the Soviet Union and was to be the day he planned to present the reconstituted borders of the old Soviet Union. Trump was to have pulled the US out of NATO at the last minute before the war started leaving Europe alone in defending Ukraine. With little defenses and no real NATO Russia was to have marched on to retake all the old soviet states in a glorious rewriting of history which Putin called the the worst geopolitical tragedy of the century and blamed the previous Russian leadership for allowing it to happen.\nToday, Putin's grand plan is in tatters. And the writing is on the wall. All the walls, actually.",
">\n\n\nand was to be the day he planned to present the reconstituted borders of the old Soviet Union\n\nSource?\n\nTrump was to have pulled the US out of NATO at the last minute before the war started leaving Europe alone in defending Ukraine\n\nAgain, source?\nActually Nevermind, you don’t have any. Just bullshit.",
">\n\nDo you somehow don’t think that Trump liked NATO? The guy who said he didn’t know if he would support defending smaller nations.\nThe guy who 4 months into his term shared top secret intel with the Russian ambassador.\nThe guy who was still pursuing a Trump branded property in Moscow while campaigning for president?\nThe guy who couldn’t help but praise Putin at every turn?\nThe guy who asked the CIA to share Middle East counterintelligence intel with the FSB with nothing expected in return because he only makes the best deals and is such the good negotiator?\nThe guy who couldn’t help but declare Putin a genius for invading Ukraine, again.\nThe guy who ran anti-NATO ads in the 80’s after a visit to the USSR?\nThat guy?",
">\n\nEnough is enough Ukraine needs to start shooting some missiles into Russia. They have to stop being afraid of angering the Russian people. All the smart ones have left. Start firing away.",
">\n\nReally going for full Nazi Germany on the UK terror bombing.",
">\n\nSo this has been going on almost a year at this point. Genuine question..: can nobody get involved like period? I feel like we just keep watching the Ukraine get fucked up week after week and just go....\"Sad\"",
">\n\nNobody is going to get involved directly because a) you’re risking nuclear conflict and b) basically no country wants to sacrifice their own soldiers in this conflict. And in the case of the USA, which is by far most powerful in NATO, they are shifting focus towards the Pacific anyway. China is a much greater long-term threat than Russia.",
">\n\nI mean let's be honest, Russia won't fire a nuke at the US, it's suicide. But Iv been wondering about that, Ukraine is a sovereign nation, this isn't a civil war....it's totally valid for them to allow another county's military to operate in the borders of their own country. The US could provide air support within UA borders and not technically enter Russian territory. If we are being honest Russia wouldn't be able to do anything. Let the USAF do just 2 days of targeted bombing onto Russian bases within the Ukraine and it would break their entire line",
">\n\nThis is what you do when you run out of troops.",
">\n\nPutler will very soon in the recent future rue the day he let this war be put into motion!",
">\n\nSick and barbaric oxygen thief is what Putin is. Nothing more, except a coward. I hope Karma rips him to shreds.",
">\n\nTerrorists",
">\n\nRemember when everyone thought Russia was a world power. Those were the days.",
">\n\nPeperidge farms remembers",
">\n\nIm getting tired about people saying there are problems about tanks logistics, repair etc. Europe must send tanks jointly Now. I dont want to listen to any excuses. Every european country a part of what it has I dont care about the tanks names",
">\n\n\nEurope must send tanks jointly Now\n\nThis assumes that a lack of tanks is what's holding Ukraine back at the moment...",
">\n\nI am aware of the PR and ethical problems with Ukraine responding with missiles strikes of their own deep inside Russian territory, but a sustained assault on just the Kremlin itself would be justifiable, and a real blow to Russian morale. It’s not like there are many options for Russian escalation at this point, and I don’t think they’ll break out their nukes, if they even work. Russia would be glass within a day if they nuked anywhere in Europe.",
">\n\nYes, yes, russia, we get it, you have a tiny pp. Enough.",
">\n\nNew markets are forming to circumvent the sanctions, and Russia is able to increase production of missiles along with purchasing more suicide drones.",
">\n\nRuzzia is a terrorist state",
">\n\nSLAVA UKRAINE!!!",
">\n\nI don’t know about the Ukrainians but every time this happens I send a note asking my Senator and Congressman if there is any more we can do. It’s like the Russians want us to break out the good stuff and send it to Ukraine."
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