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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flda3im
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fld2q3l
| 1,585,060,159 | 1,585,054,978 | 36 | 6 |
Never. I learned to draw decades before DaB came along. I have issues with the system and although some people adapt to it readily I doubt I ever would have. My point is, *we all learn differently*. Please look around the Internet for other drawing courses you think might work for you. DaB is far from the only one. Better yet, go to your public library (after the crazy is over) and browse their reference section. There are some wonderful books out there that *explain principles* *in depth* rather than just relying on exercises and hope it clicks. I teach occasional workshops and the hardest thing is teaching people *to see.* Some grasp principles quickly and easily. Others just don't absorb what's in front of them and repeated explanation doesn't help. When I ask, "Do you see this?"... and I get a blank expression, "See what?" Then I have to *verbalize* and point to what I want them to see. Then, "Oh!" Our brains are complex and some are visual and others auditory learners, some a combination of both. Try some of these for now and try not to adapt whatever you learned from DaB to them. I'm not recommending any over the others, I'm simply aware of them. https://www.thedrawingsource.com/ https://www.thoughtco.com/free-online-drawing-classes-1098200 https://www.artlessonsonline.com.au/ http://rapidfireart.com/how-to-draw-for-beginners/ https://www.skillshare.com/ https://www.free-online-art-classes.com/ https://www.proko.com/ Yes, you can learn to draw ... art is for everyone. :-)
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I'm a painter and I stress really hard sometimes when it isn't looking right. I tell myself this like a meditation. "If it doesn't look good it's not a failure, it's just not finished yet"
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flda3im
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flcptwf
| 1,585,060,159 | 1,585,041,213 | 36 | 5 |
Never. I learned to draw decades before DaB came along. I have issues with the system and although some people adapt to it readily I doubt I ever would have. My point is, *we all learn differently*. Please look around the Internet for other drawing courses you think might work for you. DaB is far from the only one. Better yet, go to your public library (after the crazy is over) and browse their reference section. There are some wonderful books out there that *explain principles* *in depth* rather than just relying on exercises and hope it clicks. I teach occasional workshops and the hardest thing is teaching people *to see.* Some grasp principles quickly and easily. Others just don't absorb what's in front of them and repeated explanation doesn't help. When I ask, "Do you see this?"... and I get a blank expression, "See what?" Then I have to *verbalize* and point to what I want them to see. Then, "Oh!" Our brains are complex and some are visual and others auditory learners, some a combination of both. Try some of these for now and try not to adapt whatever you learned from DaB to them. I'm not recommending any over the others, I'm simply aware of them. https://www.thedrawingsource.com/ https://www.thoughtco.com/free-online-drawing-classes-1098200 https://www.artlessonsonline.com.au/ http://rapidfireart.com/how-to-draw-for-beginners/ https://www.skillshare.com/ https://www.free-online-art-classes.com/ https://www.proko.com/ Yes, you can learn to draw ... art is for everyone. :-)
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Have you tried taking lessons? Serious question. I used to have problem also with tutorial until I started taking lessons.
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flda3im
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flcz42g
| 1,585,060,159 | 1,585,051,927 | 36 | 5 |
Never. I learned to draw decades before DaB came along. I have issues with the system and although some people adapt to it readily I doubt I ever would have. My point is, *we all learn differently*. Please look around the Internet for other drawing courses you think might work for you. DaB is far from the only one. Better yet, go to your public library (after the crazy is over) and browse their reference section. There are some wonderful books out there that *explain principles* *in depth* rather than just relying on exercises and hope it clicks. I teach occasional workshops and the hardest thing is teaching people *to see.* Some grasp principles quickly and easily. Others just don't absorb what's in front of them and repeated explanation doesn't help. When I ask, "Do you see this?"... and I get a blank expression, "See what?" Then I have to *verbalize* and point to what I want them to see. Then, "Oh!" Our brains are complex and some are visual and others auditory learners, some a combination of both. Try some of these for now and try not to adapt whatever you learned from DaB to them. I'm not recommending any over the others, I'm simply aware of them. https://www.thedrawingsource.com/ https://www.thoughtco.com/free-online-drawing-classes-1098200 https://www.artlessonsonline.com.au/ http://rapidfireart.com/how-to-draw-for-beginners/ https://www.skillshare.com/ https://www.free-online-art-classes.com/ https://www.proko.com/ Yes, you can learn to draw ... art is for everyone. :-)
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Do you have links to your Lessons 1 & 2 submissions?
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flda3im
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flca3mj
| 1,585,060,159 | 1,585,024,019 | 36 | 5 |
Never. I learned to draw decades before DaB came along. I have issues with the system and although some people adapt to it readily I doubt I ever would have. My point is, *we all learn differently*. Please look around the Internet for other drawing courses you think might work for you. DaB is far from the only one. Better yet, go to your public library (after the crazy is over) and browse their reference section. There are some wonderful books out there that *explain principles* *in depth* rather than just relying on exercises and hope it clicks. I teach occasional workshops and the hardest thing is teaching people *to see.* Some grasp principles quickly and easily. Others just don't absorb what's in front of them and repeated explanation doesn't help. When I ask, "Do you see this?"... and I get a blank expression, "See what?" Then I have to *verbalize* and point to what I want them to see. Then, "Oh!" Our brains are complex and some are visual and others auditory learners, some a combination of both. Try some of these for now and try not to adapt whatever you learned from DaB to them. I'm not recommending any over the others, I'm simply aware of them. https://www.thedrawingsource.com/ https://www.thoughtco.com/free-online-drawing-classes-1098200 https://www.artlessonsonline.com.au/ http://rapidfireart.com/how-to-draw-for-beginners/ https://www.skillshare.com/ https://www.free-online-art-classes.com/ https://www.proko.com/ Yes, you can learn to draw ... art is for everyone. :-)
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Uhm. It's gotta depend on what your goals are. Then plan milestones within that same goal. If you want, we can chat on Google Hangout, and we can figure it out. I have a bit of extra time now. Message me if you're interested. But yeah, it always comes down to clearly defined goals.
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flcp9br
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flda3im
| 1,585,040,468 | 1,585,060,159 | 5 | 36 |
Sometimes when I went further, id do poorly in one area and decide to go back through some sections, do it again, try to think more about it, and I found it helped a good bit. Getting frustrated that "its wrong" is natural, but its important to ask *why* and *where* its wrong, its important to think through things with drawing. Sometimes it also helps to change to a different subject/method in general. These aren't just skills you practice and master in one go, you build, build, and build them.
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Never. I learned to draw decades before DaB came along. I have issues with the system and although some people adapt to it readily I doubt I ever would have. My point is, *we all learn differently*. Please look around the Internet for other drawing courses you think might work for you. DaB is far from the only one. Better yet, go to your public library (after the crazy is over) and browse their reference section. There are some wonderful books out there that *explain principles* *in depth* rather than just relying on exercises and hope it clicks. I teach occasional workshops and the hardest thing is teaching people *to see.* Some grasp principles quickly and easily. Others just don't absorb what's in front of them and repeated explanation doesn't help. When I ask, "Do you see this?"... and I get a blank expression, "See what?" Then I have to *verbalize* and point to what I want them to see. Then, "Oh!" Our brains are complex and some are visual and others auditory learners, some a combination of both. Try some of these for now and try not to adapt whatever you learned from DaB to them. I'm not recommending any over the others, I'm simply aware of them. https://www.thedrawingsource.com/ https://www.thoughtco.com/free-online-drawing-classes-1098200 https://www.artlessonsonline.com.au/ http://rapidfireart.com/how-to-draw-for-beginners/ https://www.skillshare.com/ https://www.free-online-art-classes.com/ https://www.proko.com/ Yes, you can learn to draw ... art is for everyone. :-)
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flbwi8b
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flda3im
| 1,585,014,235 | 1,585,060,159 | 4 | 36 |
Hm... I have to think about that. I am sorry you experience it like this. Would it help if I say that I struggle, too? I still everything everyone else does is so much better. I only started with the lessons but they are hard... You know what I think? Either you are trying to hard and you need to change the way you see things or you haven't found the right medium or style, yet. Maybe you are also not able to see little improvements.. I don't know you. For me I am still at the boxes and man those are hard. Rough perspective O.O what? But hey I hit the vanishing point twice just twice in the exercise. But there were small improvements. I somehow fail to believe that someone who practises their drawing does not at least in some way improve. I wish I could look at your progress and tell you that but maybe someone who has done those lessons can help you out better. Don't be discouraged. Do the exercises but try something else. If you have never done painting - give it a try. A different technique/approach might feel like a refreshment.
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Never. I learned to draw decades before DaB came along. I have issues with the system and although some people adapt to it readily I doubt I ever would have. My point is, *we all learn differently*. Please look around the Internet for other drawing courses you think might work for you. DaB is far from the only one. Better yet, go to your public library (after the crazy is over) and browse their reference section. There are some wonderful books out there that *explain principles* *in depth* rather than just relying on exercises and hope it clicks. I teach occasional workshops and the hardest thing is teaching people *to see.* Some grasp principles quickly and easily. Others just don't absorb what's in front of them and repeated explanation doesn't help. When I ask, "Do you see this?"... and I get a blank expression, "See what?" Then I have to *verbalize* and point to what I want them to see. Then, "Oh!" Our brains are complex and some are visual and others auditory learners, some a combination of both. Try some of these for now and try not to adapt whatever you learned from DaB to them. I'm not recommending any over the others, I'm simply aware of them. https://www.thedrawingsource.com/ https://www.thoughtco.com/free-online-drawing-classes-1098200 https://www.artlessonsonline.com.au/ http://rapidfireart.com/how-to-draw-for-beginners/ https://www.skillshare.com/ https://www.free-online-art-classes.com/ https://www.proko.com/ Yes, you can learn to draw ... art is for everyone. :-)
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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fld4jpa
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flda3im
| 1,585,056,362 | 1,585,060,159 | 3 | 36 |
Get good at analyzing your own art. Figure out *why* it "looks bad"
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Never. I learned to draw decades before DaB came along. I have issues with the system and although some people adapt to it readily I doubt I ever would have. My point is, *we all learn differently*. Please look around the Internet for other drawing courses you think might work for you. DaB is far from the only one. Better yet, go to your public library (after the crazy is over) and browse their reference section. There are some wonderful books out there that *explain principles* *in depth* rather than just relying on exercises and hope it clicks. I teach occasional workshops and the hardest thing is teaching people *to see.* Some grasp principles quickly and easily. Others just don't absorb what's in front of them and repeated explanation doesn't help. When I ask, "Do you see this?"... and I get a blank expression, "See what?" Then I have to *verbalize* and point to what I want them to see. Then, "Oh!" Our brains are complex and some are visual and others auditory learners, some a combination of both. Try some of these for now and try not to adapt whatever you learned from DaB to them. I'm not recommending any over the others, I'm simply aware of them. https://www.thedrawingsource.com/ https://www.thoughtco.com/free-online-drawing-classes-1098200 https://www.artlessonsonline.com.au/ http://rapidfireart.com/how-to-draw-for-beginners/ https://www.skillshare.com/ https://www.free-online-art-classes.com/ https://www.proko.com/ Yes, you can learn to draw ... art is for everyone. :-)
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flbxd71
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flbwtlq
| 1,585,014,812 | 1,585,014,447 | 28 | 16 |
If learning to draw is a life goal, something you feel you must do, **then do not quit**. Take breaks when you need to, study, talk to other artists, then go back to **practice**. I've been an artist all my life and there are things that are just now clicking for me at 42 years of age. If you have other interests and drawing is just one of them... if you like to do something else **more** than art/drawing - then by all means **do that thing**.
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Ultimately the answer to that question is up to you, but it might be more productive to look at how you've been approaching things. To start, while we do what we can to get students access to feedback on their work, there are limitations to what can be done for free. The community feedback relies upon other students taking the time to look at your work and offer reviews, and there is always going to be more demand than there are people willing to give that time. The community platform released at the beginning of February attempts to structure things so submissions that have not received feedback continue to circulate even when they're not on the front page, but the subreddit here has no such feature (which is why months were spent developing the community platform as a replacement). Still, even there feedback is not guaranteed, and even when it is received it can take weeks. The only guaranteed option - the official critiques from myself and my teaching assistants - is not free, as I had to stop reviewing all submitted work back in 2016 when it started getting overwhelming. It is extremely cheap, however. That aside, from what I can see, you've posted twice in the subreddit - a page of organic intersections 6 days ago, and a single plant 1 day ago. I've flipped through your post history and am not seeing any submission of Lesson 1 work, no 250 box challenge, and nothing that was any more than one page at a time. You'll note that in the instructions I do state that it is still best to post a full lesson's work all at once (on the community platform that's pretty much the only way you'll even end up in the main section where people get feedback, in order to ensure it doesn't get overly cluttered with people posting little bits at a time). So what I'm seeing is that it doesn't look like you tried to get feedback on the earlier material, and that overall there have only been a couple attempts. It's also hard to say how much time you've put into the course - how long ago did you start, and how much time have you put into each exercise? Some students look at the assignments and expect to be able to blaze through them relatively quickly, and without realizing it they rush - missing important instructions, or just not necessarily putting as much time into each individual mark. One way you can assess whether or not you're investing as much time as you probably should is to check out the fully recorded process videos of ScyllaStew here - she streams her progress through the lessons and serves as an excellent example of someone taking their time. Mind you, that means she spent something like 12 hours completing Lesson 1 alone. Additionally, the subreddit and community platform are not the only places you can get feedback. There is also the Discord chat server where every lesson has a dedicated channel. Just like everywhere else, feedback is not guaranteed - but if you have questions or need people to look at a specific exercise, there should usually be people around to give you pointers. Ultimately there is a different between you as a person, and the way you may approach things. If you're tired of trying, that's fair. Perhaps you'll pick drawing up again at a later time. But if you're still willing to fight it out, you may find that the way you were approaching it all was the issue, and that there may be key changes that can be made to achieve your goals more effectively. Deciding to submit your work for feedback a week ago was a good first start.
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flbxd71
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flbwi8b
| 1,585,014,812 | 1,585,014,235 | 28 | 4 |
If learning to draw is a life goal, something you feel you must do, **then do not quit**. Take breaks when you need to, study, talk to other artists, then go back to **practice**. I've been an artist all my life and there are things that are just now clicking for me at 42 years of age. If you have other interests and drawing is just one of them... if you like to do something else **more** than art/drawing - then by all means **do that thing**.
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Hm... I have to think about that. I am sorry you experience it like this. Would it help if I say that I struggle, too? I still everything everyone else does is so much better. I only started with the lessons but they are hard... You know what I think? Either you are trying to hard and you need to change the way you see things or you haven't found the right medium or style, yet. Maybe you are also not able to see little improvements.. I don't know you. For me I am still at the boxes and man those are hard. Rough perspective O.O what? But hey I hit the vanishing point twice just twice in the exercise. But there were small improvements. I somehow fail to believe that someone who practises their drawing does not at least in some way improve. I wish I could look at your progress and tell you that but maybe someone who has done those lessons can help you out better. Don't be discouraged. Do the exercises but try something else. If you have never done painting - give it a try. A different technique/approach might feel like a refreshment.
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flcr8w4
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flcbwzr
| 1,585,043,019 | 1,585,025,573 | 27 | 21 |
No offense but you seem to blame others a lot, this will hold you back, regardless of whether they are at fault or not. You've also only asked for help on a couple exercises, and they're the more advanced exercises, consider acing the earlier exercises before moving on, get confident with just drawing a line before drawing an oval, then an oval before a box, etc. the lessons say you can move on after a few tries, but imo sticking with each lesson part for at least a month (of say, half an hour a day) is fine.
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Relax mate, be kind to yourself everything you draw isn't horrible, could it be better yes but that Is true for everyone, were all hard on ourselves we all look at the things we make and are a little bit dissatisfied, I don't know if it ever goes away to be honest. You are awesome at drawing, and you can be so much more, you can be the best draftsman in the world, i believe in you 100 percent. Take it one step at a time one step after the other, and the best advice I can give you is to put pen to paper every day and enjoy the process the outcome isn't important right now, you are training excercising the muscle of your mind
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flbwtlq
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flcr8w4
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Ultimately the answer to that question is up to you, but it might be more productive to look at how you've been approaching things. To start, while we do what we can to get students access to feedback on their work, there are limitations to what can be done for free. The community feedback relies upon other students taking the time to look at your work and offer reviews, and there is always going to be more demand than there are people willing to give that time. The community platform released at the beginning of February attempts to structure things so submissions that have not received feedback continue to circulate even when they're not on the front page, but the subreddit here has no such feature (which is why months were spent developing the community platform as a replacement). Still, even there feedback is not guaranteed, and even when it is received it can take weeks. The only guaranteed option - the official critiques from myself and my teaching assistants - is not free, as I had to stop reviewing all submitted work back in 2016 when it started getting overwhelming. It is extremely cheap, however. That aside, from what I can see, you've posted twice in the subreddit - a page of organic intersections 6 days ago, and a single plant 1 day ago. I've flipped through your post history and am not seeing any submission of Lesson 1 work, no 250 box challenge, and nothing that was any more than one page at a time. You'll note that in the instructions I do state that it is still best to post a full lesson's work all at once (on the community platform that's pretty much the only way you'll even end up in the main section where people get feedback, in order to ensure it doesn't get overly cluttered with people posting little bits at a time). So what I'm seeing is that it doesn't look like you tried to get feedback on the earlier material, and that overall there have only been a couple attempts. It's also hard to say how much time you've put into the course - how long ago did you start, and how much time have you put into each exercise? Some students look at the assignments and expect to be able to blaze through them relatively quickly, and without realizing it they rush - missing important instructions, or just not necessarily putting as much time into each individual mark. One way you can assess whether or not you're investing as much time as you probably should is to check out the fully recorded process videos of ScyllaStew here - she streams her progress through the lessons and serves as an excellent example of someone taking their time. Mind you, that means she spent something like 12 hours completing Lesson 1 alone. Additionally, the subreddit and community platform are not the only places you can get feedback. There is also the Discord chat server where every lesson has a dedicated channel. Just like everywhere else, feedback is not guaranteed - but if you have questions or need people to look at a specific exercise, there should usually be people around to give you pointers. Ultimately there is a different between you as a person, and the way you may approach things. If you're tired of trying, that's fair. Perhaps you'll pick drawing up again at a later time. But if you're still willing to fight it out, you may find that the way you were approaching it all was the issue, and that there may be key changes that can be made to achieve your goals more effectively. Deciding to submit your work for feedback a week ago was a good first start.
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No offense but you seem to blame others a lot, this will hold you back, regardless of whether they are at fault or not. You've also only asked for help on a couple exercises, and they're the more advanced exercises, consider acing the earlier exercises before moving on, get confident with just drawing a line before drawing an oval, then an oval before a box, etc. the lessons say you can move on after a few tries, but imo sticking with each lesson part for at least a month (of say, half an hour a day) is fine.
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flcglra
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No offense but you seem to blame others a lot, this will hold you back, regardless of whether they are at fault or not. You've also only asked for help on a couple exercises, and they're the more advanced exercises, consider acing the earlier exercises before moving on, get confident with just drawing a line before drawing an oval, then an oval before a box, etc. the lessons say you can move on after a few tries, but imo sticking with each lesson part for at least a month (of say, half an hour a day) is fine.
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Don’t worry I think this is just a regular thing all artists go through. I’ve been drawing for 15 years now and I still go through periods of getting frustrated with myself because I feel like I should be better than I am. I’ve even taken year long breaks because I thought I would never be good enough anyway so what’s the point of trying but I always kept coming back to it because it’s my passion. Just have patience and work on things you’re actually passionate about rather than always just doing exercises to get better. I’ve found that’s when I improve the most. I’m a comic artist and for the longest time I wouldn’t allow myself to work on any of the projects I wanted to work on because in my mind I wasn’t good enough but last year I just said fuck it and started working on one anyway and I’m enjoying myself more and improving a lot faster. Growth is hard and it takes a lot of patience so try and work on things you enjoy even if the end result doesn’t look up to your own standards I’m sure it’s still really good!
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flcr8w4
| 1,585,023,107 | 1,585,043,019 | 14 | 27 |
5 years?? If you have been practicing for 5 years consistently and following the tutorials as well.. thats just not possible unless you are doing it all wrong. The exercises in art fundamentals are NOT EASY even for a professional not gonna lie. They are very hard to nail even in your first 10 attempts. And what are you trying to draw anyways? There is a FZD design cinema episode 101 about sketching where fheng zhu talks about what to draw as a beginner. I highly recommend you go check that. Its almost an hour long but its worth it believe me. That dude runs one of the best colleges in the world for concept art. He starts of by drawing tree roots. Stuff thats completely random. So the margin for your mistakes is quite big for anyone to notice. Whereas the art fundamentals exercises are far from beginner. Because it is perspective based and we see perspective all the time so even if its off by a milimetre, our eye catches it instantly and margin of error is too small. Same with faces, anatomy and regular stuff like vases lamps and boxes! Instead draw roots, insects, animals we dont regularly see because no one know exactly how they look. And avoid perspective view too because then there is too much to consider and if one thing goes wrong, it all looks bad. Art is honestly very subjective. My suggestion is don't stick to one thing. Also if you are not having fun then whats the point. If you want any help anytime feel free to hmu with whats causing problem. I am pretty sure I can help you!
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No offense but you seem to blame others a lot, this will hold you back, regardless of whether they are at fault or not. You've also only asked for help on a couple exercises, and they're the more advanced exercises, consider acing the earlier exercises before moving on, get confident with just drawing a line before drawing an oval, then an oval before a box, etc. the lessons say you can move on after a few tries, but imo sticking with each lesson part for at least a month (of say, half an hour a day) is fine.
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flcih5f
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No offense but you seem to blame others a lot, this will hold you back, regardless of whether they are at fault or not. You've also only asked for help on a couple exercises, and they're the more advanced exercises, consider acing the earlier exercises before moving on, get confident with just drawing a line before drawing an oval, then an oval before a box, etc. the lessons say you can move on after a few tries, but imo sticking with each lesson part for at least a month (of say, half an hour a day) is fine.
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I'm also a beginner so take it with a grain of salt, but I have to wonder why you want to learn? Do you want to make a career out of it? Do you want to show off to other people? Or is it just something you like doing? Because if you like it, then who cares if you suck. And if you dont like it, who cares if you're good? I'm pretty bad but having the freedom to suck can be liberating.
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flcr8w4
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I quit after the second boxes homework and started to do plant studies. While the courses are incredibly informative, I feel like there’s just too much stuff to grasp at once as another beginner myself. And way too much work on top of that. It took 40 minutes to finish one of the box homeworks and I was just done. (I do understand why he has the work and exercises set up like this, but they’re just not fun and are grueling to get through) There’s nothing wrong with Drawabox not being right for you, but I hope you don’t give up drawing. At the end of the day though, sketching, and art in general, is supposed to be fun. A major pitfall I saw with myself is I would compare my progress with that of my other art friends and would pressure myself to rush and get better myself all at once and then beat myself up when it came out looking wrong or just in a way I like. Though, I’ve since noticed everybody has a different journey with art, and with different paces of progress. And there’s nothing wrong with that. I found it helpful to take a step back from formal lessons and reading about how I can get better, to just saying screw it and drawing what I wanted to instead. Try to find something that you like to sketch. Maybe it’s random, different things or something that’s piqued your interest, or something you found in real life. And then try replicate it on your pad. Slowly but surely you’ll find yourself getting better and better at art and drawing! I personally found it helpful to make a little streak for yourself and see how many days you can go by drawing at least one thing a day!
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No offense but you seem to blame others a lot, this will hold you back, regardless of whether they are at fault or not. You've also only asked for help on a couple exercises, and they're the more advanced exercises, consider acing the earlier exercises before moving on, get confident with just drawing a line before drawing an oval, then an oval before a box, etc. the lessons say you can move on after a few tries, but imo sticking with each lesson part for at least a month (of say, half an hour a day) is fine.
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flcr8w4
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I tried to do drawabox a while ago. (Using a different account than this) Sitting around doing nothing all day was starting to feel mind numbing and I felt like putting that empty time towards a skill would be worth my while. The site seems amazingly well done and I’m impressed by what the creator has accomplished and the community feedback. However, it took me multiple hours to get through one page of practice activities, and therefore multiple months to make very little progress over all. As awful as it felt to sit and stare at a wall all day, doing the activities felt even worse. As I sat there my brain turned to mushy static, my breathing became uneven, my vision got blurry and my body would start to vibrate. I wondered if the payoff at the end would eventually be worth it. I imagined myself being able to produce great art pieces but having years of THAT behind me, and continuing to do so for many more years (as they say, art is something you must constantly practice and improve on). Though, I don’t really think that this is something specific to art-I have run into the same problem when practicing any skill. Attempting to learn an instrument, to write, to do physical things with my body, etc. When I picture the payoff at the end (having whichever skill) and I compare it to the cost (which is generally gonna be experiencing THAT on a frequent and constant basis to both build, upkeep, and improve the skill), the cost seems disproportionate to the payoff. I guess that’s what I would consider the main thing to think about. Picture yourself as a highly proficient artist one day, then picture the cost to you to get there. Is the cost worth the payoff?
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No offense but you seem to blame others a lot, this will hold you back, regardless of whether they are at fault or not. You've also only asked for help on a couple exercises, and they're the more advanced exercises, consider acing the earlier exercises before moving on, get confident with just drawing a line before drawing an oval, then an oval before a box, etc. the lessons say you can move on after a few tries, but imo sticking with each lesson part for at least a month (of say, half an hour a day) is fine.
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flcr8w4
| 1,585,023,707 | 1,585,043,019 | 9 | 27 |
Are you also making art for fun in addition to these lessons? The drawabox content is incredibly valuable but it's pretty dry, and intended to be done alongside the practice you do for joy's sake. Do you like doing characters? Landscapes? creatures? robots? The more you do of that the more you'll see how these lessons lock into the fun art stuff. I'm also about 5 years in and it took me a long time to see my progress, but it is there! Have you looked back at your first attempts from 5 years ago? I bet you've gotten better since then!
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No offense but you seem to blame others a lot, this will hold you back, regardless of whether they are at fault or not. You've also only asked for help on a couple exercises, and they're the more advanced exercises, consider acing the earlier exercises before moving on, get confident with just drawing a line before drawing an oval, then an oval before a box, etc. the lessons say you can move on after a few tries, but imo sticking with each lesson part for at least a month (of say, half an hour a day) is fine.
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flcb7ma
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No offense but you seem to blame others a lot, this will hold you back, regardless of whether they are at fault or not. You've also only asked for help on a couple exercises, and they're the more advanced exercises, consider acing the earlier exercises before moving on, get confident with just drawing a line before drawing an oval, then an oval before a box, etc. the lessons say you can move on after a few tries, but imo sticking with each lesson part for at least a month (of say, half an hour a day) is fine.
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I know that feel. My personal philosophy is that every crappy drawing I do gets me closer to a good drawing. You may want to adjust your mindset when it comes to doing art because we all know motivation is a real problem for artists. I recommend a book called The War of Art by Steven Pressfield. It helped me immensely by putting things in perspective and setting tangible goals for my art.
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flcr8w4
| 1,585,035,999 | 1,585,043,019 | 10 | 27 |
Maybe thats just not the way your brain learnes. You could try to just draw from life or something.
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No offense but you seem to blame others a lot, this will hold you back, regardless of whether they are at fault or not. You've also only asked for help on a couple exercises, and they're the more advanced exercises, consider acing the earlier exercises before moving on, get confident with just drawing a line before drawing an oval, then an oval before a box, etc. the lessons say you can move on after a few tries, but imo sticking with each lesson part for at least a month (of say, half an hour a day) is fine.
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flcptwf
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No offense but you seem to blame others a lot, this will hold you back, regardless of whether they are at fault or not. You've also only asked for help on a couple exercises, and they're the more advanced exercises, consider acing the earlier exercises before moving on, get confident with just drawing a line before drawing an oval, then an oval before a box, etc. the lessons say you can move on after a few tries, but imo sticking with each lesson part for at least a month (of say, half an hour a day) is fine.
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Have you tried taking lessons? Serious question. I used to have problem also with tutorial until I started taking lessons.
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flca3mj
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No offense but you seem to blame others a lot, this will hold you back, regardless of whether they are at fault or not. You've also only asked for help on a couple exercises, and they're the more advanced exercises, consider acing the earlier exercises before moving on, get confident with just drawing a line before drawing an oval, then an oval before a box, etc. the lessons say you can move on after a few tries, but imo sticking with each lesson part for at least a month (of say, half an hour a day) is fine.
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Uhm. It's gotta depend on what your goals are. Then plan milestones within that same goal. If you want, we can chat on Google Hangout, and we can figure it out. I have a bit of extra time now. Message me if you're interested. But yeah, it always comes down to clearly defined goals.
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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Sometimes when I went further, id do poorly in one area and decide to go back through some sections, do it again, try to think more about it, and I found it helped a good bit. Getting frustrated that "its wrong" is natural, but its important to ask *why* and *where* its wrong, its important to think through things with drawing. Sometimes it also helps to change to a different subject/method in general. These aren't just skills you practice and master in one go, you build, build, and build them.
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No offense but you seem to blame others a lot, this will hold you back, regardless of whether they are at fault or not. You've also only asked for help on a couple exercises, and they're the more advanced exercises, consider acing the earlier exercises before moving on, get confident with just drawing a line before drawing an oval, then an oval before a box, etc. the lessons say you can move on after a few tries, but imo sticking with each lesson part for at least a month (of say, half an hour a day) is fine.
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flcr8w4
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Hm... I have to think about that. I am sorry you experience it like this. Would it help if I say that I struggle, too? I still everything everyone else does is so much better. I only started with the lessons but they are hard... You know what I think? Either you are trying to hard and you need to change the way you see things or you haven't found the right medium or style, yet. Maybe you are also not able to see little improvements.. I don't know you. For me I am still at the boxes and man those are hard. Rough perspective O.O what? But hey I hit the vanishing point twice just twice in the exercise. But there were small improvements. I somehow fail to believe that someone who practises their drawing does not at least in some way improve. I wish I could look at your progress and tell you that but maybe someone who has done those lessons can help you out better. Don't be discouraged. Do the exercises but try something else. If you have never done painting - give it a try. A different technique/approach might feel like a refreshment.
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No offense but you seem to blame others a lot, this will hold you back, regardless of whether they are at fault or not. You've also only asked for help on a couple exercises, and they're the more advanced exercises, consider acing the earlier exercises before moving on, get confident with just drawing a line before drawing an oval, then an oval before a box, etc. the lessons say you can move on after a few tries, but imo sticking with each lesson part for at least a month (of say, half an hour a day) is fine.
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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fldfo1z
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flcbwzr
| 1,585,063,585 | 1,585,025,573 | 22 | 21 |
If you don’t like drawing in general, if you’re not *enjoying* yourself at all and never did, it’s time to quit. If you enjoy yourself but are worried about “how it looks”, you need to chill. Who cares if it’s not perfect? Finish it anyway. Are you practicing the same thing? I redo these lessons every so often and I get better each time, while it feels like my drawing still sucks. So I practice drawing the same thing.
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Relax mate, be kind to yourself everything you draw isn't horrible, could it be better yes but that Is true for everyone, were all hard on ourselves we all look at the things we make and are a little bit dissatisfied, I don't know if it ever goes away to be honest. You are awesome at drawing, and you can be so much more, you can be the best draftsman in the world, i believe in you 100 percent. Take it one step at a time one step after the other, and the best advice I can give you is to put pen to paper every day and enjoy the process the outcome isn't important right now, you are training excercising the muscle of your mind
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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fldfo1z
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flbwtlq
| 1,585,063,585 | 1,585,014,447 | 22 | 16 |
If you don’t like drawing in general, if you’re not *enjoying* yourself at all and never did, it’s time to quit. If you enjoy yourself but are worried about “how it looks”, you need to chill. Who cares if it’s not perfect? Finish it anyway. Are you practicing the same thing? I redo these lessons every so often and I get better each time, while it feels like my drawing still sucks. So I practice drawing the same thing.
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Ultimately the answer to that question is up to you, but it might be more productive to look at how you've been approaching things. To start, while we do what we can to get students access to feedback on their work, there are limitations to what can be done for free. The community feedback relies upon other students taking the time to look at your work and offer reviews, and there is always going to be more demand than there are people willing to give that time. The community platform released at the beginning of February attempts to structure things so submissions that have not received feedback continue to circulate even when they're not on the front page, but the subreddit here has no such feature (which is why months were spent developing the community platform as a replacement). Still, even there feedback is not guaranteed, and even when it is received it can take weeks. The only guaranteed option - the official critiques from myself and my teaching assistants - is not free, as I had to stop reviewing all submitted work back in 2016 when it started getting overwhelming. It is extremely cheap, however. That aside, from what I can see, you've posted twice in the subreddit - a page of organic intersections 6 days ago, and a single plant 1 day ago. I've flipped through your post history and am not seeing any submission of Lesson 1 work, no 250 box challenge, and nothing that was any more than one page at a time. You'll note that in the instructions I do state that it is still best to post a full lesson's work all at once (on the community platform that's pretty much the only way you'll even end up in the main section where people get feedback, in order to ensure it doesn't get overly cluttered with people posting little bits at a time). So what I'm seeing is that it doesn't look like you tried to get feedback on the earlier material, and that overall there have only been a couple attempts. It's also hard to say how much time you've put into the course - how long ago did you start, and how much time have you put into each exercise? Some students look at the assignments and expect to be able to blaze through them relatively quickly, and without realizing it they rush - missing important instructions, or just not necessarily putting as much time into each individual mark. One way you can assess whether or not you're investing as much time as you probably should is to check out the fully recorded process videos of ScyllaStew here - she streams her progress through the lessons and serves as an excellent example of someone taking their time. Mind you, that means she spent something like 12 hours completing Lesson 1 alone. Additionally, the subreddit and community platform are not the only places you can get feedback. There is also the Discord chat server where every lesson has a dedicated channel. Just like everywhere else, feedback is not guaranteed - but if you have questions or need people to look at a specific exercise, there should usually be people around to give you pointers. Ultimately there is a different between you as a person, and the way you may approach things. If you're tired of trying, that's fair. Perhaps you'll pick drawing up again at a later time. But if you're still willing to fight it out, you may find that the way you were approaching it all was the issue, and that there may be key changes that can be made to achieve your goals more effectively. Deciding to submit your work for feedback a week ago was a good first start.
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flcglra
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fldfo1z
| 1,585,030,093 | 1,585,063,585 | 16 | 22 |
Don’t worry I think this is just a regular thing all artists go through. I’ve been drawing for 15 years now and I still go through periods of getting frustrated with myself because I feel like I should be better than I am. I’ve even taken year long breaks because I thought I would never be good enough anyway so what’s the point of trying but I always kept coming back to it because it’s my passion. Just have patience and work on things you’re actually passionate about rather than always just doing exercises to get better. I’ve found that’s when I improve the most. I’m a comic artist and for the longest time I wouldn’t allow myself to work on any of the projects I wanted to work on because in my mind I wasn’t good enough but last year I just said fuck it and started working on one anyway and I’m enjoying myself more and improving a lot faster. Growth is hard and it takes a lot of patience so try and work on things you enjoy even if the end result doesn’t look up to your own standards I’m sure it’s still really good!
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If you don’t like drawing in general, if you’re not *enjoying* yourself at all and never did, it’s time to quit. If you enjoy yourself but are worried about “how it looks”, you need to chill. Who cares if it’s not perfect? Finish it anyway. Are you practicing the same thing? I redo these lessons every so often and I get better each time, while it feels like my drawing still sucks. So I practice drawing the same thing.
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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fldfo1z
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flc8zaf
| 1,585,063,585 | 1,585,023,107 | 22 | 14 |
If you don’t like drawing in general, if you’re not *enjoying* yourself at all and never did, it’s time to quit. If you enjoy yourself but are worried about “how it looks”, you need to chill. Who cares if it’s not perfect? Finish it anyway. Are you practicing the same thing? I redo these lessons every so often and I get better each time, while it feels like my drawing still sucks. So I practice drawing the same thing.
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5 years?? If you have been practicing for 5 years consistently and following the tutorials as well.. thats just not possible unless you are doing it all wrong. The exercises in art fundamentals are NOT EASY even for a professional not gonna lie. They are very hard to nail even in your first 10 attempts. And what are you trying to draw anyways? There is a FZD design cinema episode 101 about sketching where fheng zhu talks about what to draw as a beginner. I highly recommend you go check that. Its almost an hour long but its worth it believe me. That dude runs one of the best colleges in the world for concept art. He starts of by drawing tree roots. Stuff thats completely random. So the margin for your mistakes is quite big for anyone to notice. Whereas the art fundamentals exercises are far from beginner. Because it is perspective based and we see perspective all the time so even if its off by a milimetre, our eye catches it instantly and margin of error is too small. Same with faces, anatomy and regular stuff like vases lamps and boxes! Instead draw roots, insects, animals we dont regularly see because no one know exactly how they look. And avoid perspective view too because then there is too much to consider and if one thing goes wrong, it all looks bad. Art is honestly very subjective. My suggestion is don't stick to one thing. Also if you are not having fun then whats the point. If you want any help anytime feel free to hmu with whats causing problem. I am pretty sure I can help you!
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flcz6lx
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fldfo1z
| 1,585,051,993 | 1,585,063,585 | 14 | 22 |
You are exactly the person that should draw! You have to stop comparing. You are on a different level, my friend. The rules/ lessons don’t work for you because you are not in a box. You are outside of the box wandering around with your eyes open. Break free of the lessons and trying to fit someone’s mold. I for one am even more curious to see what your art looks like. Also from one artist to another, I am never satisfied. That’s what keeps me coming back to try again. Look into the Greek’s philosophy on The Muses. People can’t withstand the type of pressure we put on ourselves regarding talent and skill. Think of yourself more as a tool.
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If you don’t like drawing in general, if you’re not *enjoying* yourself at all and never did, it’s time to quit. If you enjoy yourself but are worried about “how it looks”, you need to chill. Who cares if it’s not perfect? Finish it anyway. Are you practicing the same thing? I redo these lessons every so often and I get better each time, while it feels like my drawing still sucks. So I practice drawing the same thing.
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flcih5f
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fldfo1z
| 1,585,032,141 | 1,585,063,585 | 13 | 22 |
I'm also a beginner so take it with a grain of salt, but I have to wonder why you want to learn? Do you want to make a career out of it? Do you want to show off to other people? Or is it just something you like doing? Because if you like it, then who cares if you suck. And if you dont like it, who cares if you're good? I'm pretty bad but having the freedom to suck can be liberating.
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If you don’t like drawing in general, if you’re not *enjoying* yourself at all and never did, it’s time to quit. If you enjoy yourself but are worried about “how it looks”, you need to chill. Who cares if it’s not perfect? Finish it anyway. Are you practicing the same thing? I redo these lessons every so often and I get better each time, while it feels like my drawing still sucks. So I practice drawing the same thing.
| 0 | 31,444 | 1.692308 | ||
fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flcwuxe
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fldfo1z
| 1,585,049,700 | 1,585,063,585 | 13 | 22 |
As others have said, you need to be doing art for the right reasons. There will always be someone better than you and there will always be someone worse. As such, you can't compare yourself to others otherwise you will spiral into a pit of self loathing. You also can't expect others to be able to give you the answers. I can't tell you the literal steps I took to get to the point where I could draw ok, it just happened after years and years of just drawing really shitty stuff that I enjoyed drawing. All I can say is yes do the exercises but draw from life and what's around you, draw what you like and don't wait on people to give you feedback before you have another go. If drawing is something you enjoy, then do it.
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If you don’t like drawing in general, if you’re not *enjoying* yourself at all and never did, it’s time to quit. If you enjoy yourself but are worried about “how it looks”, you need to chill. Who cares if it’s not perfect? Finish it anyway. Are you practicing the same thing? I redo these lessons every so often and I get better each time, while it feels like my drawing still sucks. So I practice drawing the same thing.
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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fldfo1z
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flcl9gh
| 1,585,063,585 | 1,585,035,409 | 22 | 12 |
If you don’t like drawing in general, if you’re not *enjoying* yourself at all and never did, it’s time to quit. If you enjoy yourself but are worried about “how it looks”, you need to chill. Who cares if it’s not perfect? Finish it anyway. Are you practicing the same thing? I redo these lessons every so often and I get better each time, while it feels like my drawing still sucks. So I practice drawing the same thing.
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I quit after the second boxes homework and started to do plant studies. While the courses are incredibly informative, I feel like there’s just too much stuff to grasp at once as another beginner myself. And way too much work on top of that. It took 40 minutes to finish one of the box homeworks and I was just done. (I do understand why he has the work and exercises set up like this, but they’re just not fun and are grueling to get through) There’s nothing wrong with Drawabox not being right for you, but I hope you don’t give up drawing. At the end of the day though, sketching, and art in general, is supposed to be fun. A major pitfall I saw with myself is I would compare my progress with that of my other art friends and would pressure myself to rush and get better myself all at once and then beat myself up when it came out looking wrong or just in a way I like. Though, I’ve since noticed everybody has a different journey with art, and with different paces of progress. And there’s nothing wrong with that. I found it helpful to take a step back from formal lessons and reading about how I can get better, to just saying screw it and drawing what I wanted to instead. Try to find something that you like to sketch. Maybe it’s random, different things or something that’s piqued your interest, or something you found in real life. And then try replicate it on your pad. Slowly but surely you’ll find yourself getting better and better at art and drawing! I personally found it helpful to make a little streak for yourself and see how many days you can go by drawing at least one thing a day!
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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fldfo1z
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flchogu
| 1,585,063,585 | 1,585,031,260 | 22 | 10 |
If you don’t like drawing in general, if you’re not *enjoying* yourself at all and never did, it’s time to quit. If you enjoy yourself but are worried about “how it looks”, you need to chill. Who cares if it’s not perfect? Finish it anyway. Are you practicing the same thing? I redo these lessons every so often and I get better each time, while it feels like my drawing still sucks. So I practice drawing the same thing.
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I tried to do drawabox a while ago. (Using a different account than this) Sitting around doing nothing all day was starting to feel mind numbing and I felt like putting that empty time towards a skill would be worth my while. The site seems amazingly well done and I’m impressed by what the creator has accomplished and the community feedback. However, it took me multiple hours to get through one page of practice activities, and therefore multiple months to make very little progress over all. As awful as it felt to sit and stare at a wall all day, doing the activities felt even worse. As I sat there my brain turned to mushy static, my breathing became uneven, my vision got blurry and my body would start to vibrate. I wondered if the payoff at the end would eventually be worth it. I imagined myself being able to produce great art pieces but having years of THAT behind me, and continuing to do so for many more years (as they say, art is something you must constantly practice and improve on). Though, I don’t really think that this is something specific to art-I have run into the same problem when practicing any skill. Attempting to learn an instrument, to write, to do physical things with my body, etc. When I picture the payoff at the end (having whichever skill) and I compare it to the cost (which is generally gonna be experiencing THAT on a frequent and constant basis to both build, upkeep, and improve the skill), the cost seems disproportionate to the payoff. I guess that’s what I would consider the main thing to think about. Picture yourself as a highly proficient artist one day, then picture the cost to you to get there. Is the cost worth the payoff?
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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fldfo1z
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flc9pzn
| 1,585,063,585 | 1,585,023,707 | 22 | 9 |
If you don’t like drawing in general, if you’re not *enjoying* yourself at all and never did, it’s time to quit. If you enjoy yourself but are worried about “how it looks”, you need to chill. Who cares if it’s not perfect? Finish it anyway. Are you practicing the same thing? I redo these lessons every so often and I get better each time, while it feels like my drawing still sucks. So I practice drawing the same thing.
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Are you also making art for fun in addition to these lessons? The drawabox content is incredibly valuable but it's pretty dry, and intended to be done alongside the practice you do for joy's sake. Do you like doing characters? Landscapes? creatures? robots? The more you do of that the more you'll see how these lessons lock into the fun art stuff. I'm also about 5 years in and it took me a long time to see my progress, but it is there! Have you looked back at your first attempts from 5 years ago? I bet you've gotten better since then!
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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fldfo1z
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fld322t
| 1,585,063,585 | 1,585,055,235 | 22 | 10 |
If you don’t like drawing in general, if you’re not *enjoying* yourself at all and never did, it’s time to quit. If you enjoy yourself but are worried about “how it looks”, you need to chill. Who cares if it’s not perfect? Finish it anyway. Are you practicing the same thing? I redo these lessons every so often and I get better each time, while it feels like my drawing still sucks. So I practice drawing the same thing.
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Do you enjoy drawing? Your answer to that question is the inverse my answer for whether you should quit.
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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fld3c9x
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fldfo1z
| 1,585,055,455 | 1,585,063,585 | 10 | 22 |
I think your in your head too much. Relax and just have fun. Find what kind of art you like doing and just do that. If you're always studying you'll get burned out quickly, and after 20 minutes of work your brain gets dimishing returns.
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If you don’t like drawing in general, if you’re not *enjoying* yourself at all and never did, it’s time to quit. If you enjoy yourself but are worried about “how it looks”, you need to chill. Who cares if it’s not perfect? Finish it anyway. Are you practicing the same thing? I redo these lessons every so often and I get better each time, while it feels like my drawing still sucks. So I practice drawing the same thing.
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flcb7ma
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fldfo1z
| 1,585,024,960 | 1,585,063,585 | 9 | 22 |
I know that feel. My personal philosophy is that every crappy drawing I do gets me closer to a good drawing. You may want to adjust your mindset when it comes to doing art because we all know motivation is a real problem for artists. I recommend a book called The War of Art by Steven Pressfield. It helped me immensely by putting things in perspective and setting tangible goals for my art.
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If you don’t like drawing in general, if you’re not *enjoying* yourself at all and never did, it’s time to quit. If you enjoy yourself but are worried about “how it looks”, you need to chill. Who cares if it’s not perfect? Finish it anyway. Are you practicing the same thing? I redo these lessons every so often and I get better each time, while it feels like my drawing still sucks. So I practice drawing the same thing.
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fnwdtf
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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fldfo1z
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flclquk
| 1,585,063,585 | 1,585,035,999 | 22 | 10 |
If you don’t like drawing in general, if you’re not *enjoying* yourself at all and never did, it’s time to quit. If you enjoy yourself but are worried about “how it looks”, you need to chill. Who cares if it’s not perfect? Finish it anyway. Are you practicing the same thing? I redo these lessons every so often and I get better each time, while it feels like my drawing still sucks. So I practice drawing the same thing.
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Maybe thats just not the way your brain learnes. You could try to just draw from life or something.
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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fldfo1z
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fld2q3l
| 1,585,063,585 | 1,585,054,978 | 22 | 6 |
If you don’t like drawing in general, if you’re not *enjoying* yourself at all and never did, it’s time to quit. If you enjoy yourself but are worried about “how it looks”, you need to chill. Who cares if it’s not perfect? Finish it anyway. Are you practicing the same thing? I redo these lessons every so often and I get better each time, while it feels like my drawing still sucks. So I practice drawing the same thing.
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I'm a painter and I stress really hard sometimes when it isn't looking right. I tell myself this like a meditation. "If it doesn't look good it's not a failure, it's just not finished yet"
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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fldfo1z
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flcptwf
| 1,585,063,585 | 1,585,041,213 | 22 | 5 |
If you don’t like drawing in general, if you’re not *enjoying* yourself at all and never did, it’s time to quit. If you enjoy yourself but are worried about “how it looks”, you need to chill. Who cares if it’s not perfect? Finish it anyway. Are you practicing the same thing? I redo these lessons every so often and I get better each time, while it feels like my drawing still sucks. So I practice drawing the same thing.
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Have you tried taking lessons? Serious question. I used to have problem also with tutorial until I started taking lessons.
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flcz42g
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fldfo1z
| 1,585,051,927 | 1,585,063,585 | 5 | 22 |
Do you have links to your Lessons 1 & 2 submissions?
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If you don’t like drawing in general, if you’re not *enjoying* yourself at all and never did, it’s time to quit. If you enjoy yourself but are worried about “how it looks”, you need to chill. Who cares if it’s not perfect? Finish it anyway. Are you practicing the same thing? I redo these lessons every so often and I get better each time, while it feels like my drawing still sucks. So I practice drawing the same thing.
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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fldfo1z
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flca3mj
| 1,585,063,585 | 1,585,024,019 | 22 | 5 |
If you don’t like drawing in general, if you’re not *enjoying* yourself at all and never did, it’s time to quit. If you enjoy yourself but are worried about “how it looks”, you need to chill. Who cares if it’s not perfect? Finish it anyway. Are you practicing the same thing? I redo these lessons every so often and I get better each time, while it feels like my drawing still sucks. So I practice drawing the same thing.
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Uhm. It's gotta depend on what your goals are. Then plan milestones within that same goal. If you want, we can chat on Google Hangout, and we can figure it out. I have a bit of extra time now. Message me if you're interested. But yeah, it always comes down to clearly defined goals.
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flcp9br
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fldfo1z
| 1,585,040,468 | 1,585,063,585 | 5 | 22 |
Sometimes when I went further, id do poorly in one area and decide to go back through some sections, do it again, try to think more about it, and I found it helped a good bit. Getting frustrated that "its wrong" is natural, but its important to ask *why* and *where* its wrong, its important to think through things with drawing. Sometimes it also helps to change to a different subject/method in general. These aren't just skills you practice and master in one go, you build, build, and build them.
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If you don’t like drawing in general, if you’re not *enjoying* yourself at all and never did, it’s time to quit. If you enjoy yourself but are worried about “how it looks”, you need to chill. Who cares if it’s not perfect? Finish it anyway. Are you practicing the same thing? I redo these lessons every so often and I get better each time, while it feels like my drawing still sucks. So I practice drawing the same thing.
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flbwi8b
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fldfo1z
| 1,585,014,235 | 1,585,063,585 | 4 | 22 |
Hm... I have to think about that. I am sorry you experience it like this. Would it help if I say that I struggle, too? I still everything everyone else does is so much better. I only started with the lessons but they are hard... You know what I think? Either you are trying to hard and you need to change the way you see things or you haven't found the right medium or style, yet. Maybe you are also not able to see little improvements.. I don't know you. For me I am still at the boxes and man those are hard. Rough perspective O.O what? But hey I hit the vanishing point twice just twice in the exercise. But there were small improvements. I somehow fail to believe that someone who practises their drawing does not at least in some way improve. I wish I could look at your progress and tell you that but maybe someone who has done those lessons can help you out better. Don't be discouraged. Do the exercises but try something else. If you have never done painting - give it a try. A different technique/approach might feel like a refreshment.
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If you don’t like drawing in general, if you’re not *enjoying* yourself at all and never did, it’s time to quit. If you enjoy yourself but are worried about “how it looks”, you need to chill. Who cares if it’s not perfect? Finish it anyway. Are you practicing the same thing? I redo these lessons every so often and I get better each time, while it feels like my drawing still sucks. So I practice drawing the same thing.
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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fldfo1z
| 1,585,056,362 | 1,585,063,585 | 3 | 22 |
Get good at analyzing your own art. Figure out *why* it "looks bad"
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If you don’t like drawing in general, if you’re not *enjoying* yourself at all and never did, it’s time to quit. If you enjoy yourself but are worried about “how it looks”, you need to chill. Who cares if it’s not perfect? Finish it anyway. Are you practicing the same thing? I redo these lessons every so often and I get better each time, while it feels like my drawing still sucks. So I practice drawing the same thing.
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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fldfo1z
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flddntg
| 1,585,063,585 | 1,585,062,378 | 22 | 4 |
If you don’t like drawing in general, if you’re not *enjoying* yourself at all and never did, it’s time to quit. If you enjoy yourself but are worried about “how it looks”, you need to chill. Who cares if it’s not perfect? Finish it anyway. Are you practicing the same thing? I redo these lessons every so often and I get better each time, while it feels like my drawing still sucks. So I practice drawing the same thing.
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try other references!
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flbwtlq
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flcbwzr
| 1,585,014,447 | 1,585,025,573 | 16 | 21 |
Ultimately the answer to that question is up to you, but it might be more productive to look at how you've been approaching things. To start, while we do what we can to get students access to feedback on their work, there are limitations to what can be done for free. The community feedback relies upon other students taking the time to look at your work and offer reviews, and there is always going to be more demand than there are people willing to give that time. The community platform released at the beginning of February attempts to structure things so submissions that have not received feedback continue to circulate even when they're not on the front page, but the subreddit here has no such feature (which is why months were spent developing the community platform as a replacement). Still, even there feedback is not guaranteed, and even when it is received it can take weeks. The only guaranteed option - the official critiques from myself and my teaching assistants - is not free, as I had to stop reviewing all submitted work back in 2016 when it started getting overwhelming. It is extremely cheap, however. That aside, from what I can see, you've posted twice in the subreddit - a page of organic intersections 6 days ago, and a single plant 1 day ago. I've flipped through your post history and am not seeing any submission of Lesson 1 work, no 250 box challenge, and nothing that was any more than one page at a time. You'll note that in the instructions I do state that it is still best to post a full lesson's work all at once (on the community platform that's pretty much the only way you'll even end up in the main section where people get feedback, in order to ensure it doesn't get overly cluttered with people posting little bits at a time). So what I'm seeing is that it doesn't look like you tried to get feedback on the earlier material, and that overall there have only been a couple attempts. It's also hard to say how much time you've put into the course - how long ago did you start, and how much time have you put into each exercise? Some students look at the assignments and expect to be able to blaze through them relatively quickly, and without realizing it they rush - missing important instructions, or just not necessarily putting as much time into each individual mark. One way you can assess whether or not you're investing as much time as you probably should is to check out the fully recorded process videos of ScyllaStew here - she streams her progress through the lessons and serves as an excellent example of someone taking their time. Mind you, that means she spent something like 12 hours completing Lesson 1 alone. Additionally, the subreddit and community platform are not the only places you can get feedback. There is also the Discord chat server where every lesson has a dedicated channel. Just like everywhere else, feedback is not guaranteed - but if you have questions or need people to look at a specific exercise, there should usually be people around to give you pointers. Ultimately there is a different between you as a person, and the way you may approach things. If you're tired of trying, that's fair. Perhaps you'll pick drawing up again at a later time. But if you're still willing to fight it out, you may find that the way you were approaching it all was the issue, and that there may be key changes that can be made to achieve your goals more effectively. Deciding to submit your work for feedback a week ago was a good first start.
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Relax mate, be kind to yourself everything you draw isn't horrible, could it be better yes but that Is true for everyone, were all hard on ourselves we all look at the things we make and are a little bit dissatisfied, I don't know if it ever goes away to be honest. You are awesome at drawing, and you can be so much more, you can be the best draftsman in the world, i believe in you 100 percent. Take it one step at a time one step after the other, and the best advice I can give you is to put pen to paper every day and enjoy the process the outcome isn't important right now, you are training excercising the muscle of your mind
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flcbwzr
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flc8zaf
| 1,585,025,573 | 1,585,023,107 | 21 | 14 |
Relax mate, be kind to yourself everything you draw isn't horrible, could it be better yes but that Is true for everyone, were all hard on ourselves we all look at the things we make and are a little bit dissatisfied, I don't know if it ever goes away to be honest. You are awesome at drawing, and you can be so much more, you can be the best draftsman in the world, i believe in you 100 percent. Take it one step at a time one step after the other, and the best advice I can give you is to put pen to paper every day and enjoy the process the outcome isn't important right now, you are training excercising the muscle of your mind
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5 years?? If you have been practicing for 5 years consistently and following the tutorials as well.. thats just not possible unless you are doing it all wrong. The exercises in art fundamentals are NOT EASY even for a professional not gonna lie. They are very hard to nail even in your first 10 attempts. And what are you trying to draw anyways? There is a FZD design cinema episode 101 about sketching where fheng zhu talks about what to draw as a beginner. I highly recommend you go check that. Its almost an hour long but its worth it believe me. That dude runs one of the best colleges in the world for concept art. He starts of by drawing tree roots. Stuff thats completely random. So the margin for your mistakes is quite big for anyone to notice. Whereas the art fundamentals exercises are far from beginner. Because it is perspective based and we see perspective all the time so even if its off by a milimetre, our eye catches it instantly and margin of error is too small. Same with faces, anatomy and regular stuff like vases lamps and boxes! Instead draw roots, insects, animals we dont regularly see because no one know exactly how they look. And avoid perspective view too because then there is too much to consider and if one thing goes wrong, it all looks bad. Art is honestly very subjective. My suggestion is don't stick to one thing. Also if you are not having fun then whats the point. If you want any help anytime feel free to hmu with whats causing problem. I am pretty sure I can help you!
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flcbwzr
| 1,585,023,707 | 1,585,025,573 | 9 | 21 |
Are you also making art for fun in addition to these lessons? The drawabox content is incredibly valuable but it's pretty dry, and intended to be done alongside the practice you do for joy's sake. Do you like doing characters? Landscapes? creatures? robots? The more you do of that the more you'll see how these lessons lock into the fun art stuff. I'm also about 5 years in and it took me a long time to see my progress, but it is there! Have you looked back at your first attempts from 5 years ago? I bet you've gotten better since then!
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Relax mate, be kind to yourself everything you draw isn't horrible, could it be better yes but that Is true for everyone, were all hard on ourselves we all look at the things we make and are a little bit dissatisfied, I don't know if it ever goes away to be honest. You are awesome at drawing, and you can be so much more, you can be the best draftsman in the world, i believe in you 100 percent. Take it one step at a time one step after the other, and the best advice I can give you is to put pen to paper every day and enjoy the process the outcome isn't important right now, you are training excercising the muscle of your mind
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flcbwzr
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flcb7ma
| 1,585,025,573 | 1,585,024,960 | 21 | 9 |
Relax mate, be kind to yourself everything you draw isn't horrible, could it be better yes but that Is true for everyone, were all hard on ourselves we all look at the things we make and are a little bit dissatisfied, I don't know if it ever goes away to be honest. You are awesome at drawing, and you can be so much more, you can be the best draftsman in the world, i believe in you 100 percent. Take it one step at a time one step after the other, and the best advice I can give you is to put pen to paper every day and enjoy the process the outcome isn't important right now, you are training excercising the muscle of your mind
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I know that feel. My personal philosophy is that every crappy drawing I do gets me closer to a good drawing. You may want to adjust your mindset when it comes to doing art because we all know motivation is a real problem for artists. I recommend a book called The War of Art by Steven Pressfield. It helped me immensely by putting things in perspective and setting tangible goals for my art.
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flcbwzr
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flca3mj
| 1,585,025,573 | 1,585,024,019 | 21 | 5 |
Relax mate, be kind to yourself everything you draw isn't horrible, could it be better yes but that Is true for everyone, were all hard on ourselves we all look at the things we make and are a little bit dissatisfied, I don't know if it ever goes away to be honest. You are awesome at drawing, and you can be so much more, you can be the best draftsman in the world, i believe in you 100 percent. Take it one step at a time one step after the other, and the best advice I can give you is to put pen to paper every day and enjoy the process the outcome isn't important right now, you are training excercising the muscle of your mind
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Uhm. It's gotta depend on what your goals are. Then plan milestones within that same goal. If you want, we can chat on Google Hangout, and we can figure it out. I have a bit of extra time now. Message me if you're interested. But yeah, it always comes down to clearly defined goals.
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flcbwzr
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flbwi8b
| 1,585,025,573 | 1,585,014,235 | 21 | 4 |
Relax mate, be kind to yourself everything you draw isn't horrible, could it be better yes but that Is true for everyone, were all hard on ourselves we all look at the things we make and are a little bit dissatisfied, I don't know if it ever goes away to be honest. You are awesome at drawing, and you can be so much more, you can be the best draftsman in the world, i believe in you 100 percent. Take it one step at a time one step after the other, and the best advice I can give you is to put pen to paper every day and enjoy the process the outcome isn't important right now, you are training excercising the muscle of your mind
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Hm... I have to think about that. I am sorry you experience it like this. Would it help if I say that I struggle, too? I still everything everyone else does is so much better. I only started with the lessons but they are hard... You know what I think? Either you are trying to hard and you need to change the way you see things or you haven't found the right medium or style, yet. Maybe you are also not able to see little improvements.. I don't know you. For me I am still at the boxes and man those are hard. Rough perspective O.O what? But hey I hit the vanishing point twice just twice in the exercise. But there were small improvements. I somehow fail to believe that someone who practises their drawing does not at least in some way improve. I wish I could look at your progress and tell you that but maybe someone who has done those lessons can help you out better. Don't be discouraged. Do the exercises but try something else. If you have never done painting - give it a try. A different technique/approach might feel like a refreshment.
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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fldpogn
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flbwtlq
| 1,585,069,270 | 1,585,014,447 | 18 | 16 |
learning to draw isn't a job, it's a hobby. so if you are feeling stressed, relax, forget about it for a week. Then come back when you feel like it. Nobody is rushing you to do it. It's your life, and you got plenty of years to come. at the end you'll feel like you never should have stressed at all.
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Ultimately the answer to that question is up to you, but it might be more productive to look at how you've been approaching things. To start, while we do what we can to get students access to feedback on their work, there are limitations to what can be done for free. The community feedback relies upon other students taking the time to look at your work and offer reviews, and there is always going to be more demand than there are people willing to give that time. The community platform released at the beginning of February attempts to structure things so submissions that have not received feedback continue to circulate even when they're not on the front page, but the subreddit here has no such feature (which is why months were spent developing the community platform as a replacement). Still, even there feedback is not guaranteed, and even when it is received it can take weeks. The only guaranteed option - the official critiques from myself and my teaching assistants - is not free, as I had to stop reviewing all submitted work back in 2016 when it started getting overwhelming. It is extremely cheap, however. That aside, from what I can see, you've posted twice in the subreddit - a page of organic intersections 6 days ago, and a single plant 1 day ago. I've flipped through your post history and am not seeing any submission of Lesson 1 work, no 250 box challenge, and nothing that was any more than one page at a time. You'll note that in the instructions I do state that it is still best to post a full lesson's work all at once (on the community platform that's pretty much the only way you'll even end up in the main section where people get feedback, in order to ensure it doesn't get overly cluttered with people posting little bits at a time). So what I'm seeing is that it doesn't look like you tried to get feedback on the earlier material, and that overall there have only been a couple attempts. It's also hard to say how much time you've put into the course - how long ago did you start, and how much time have you put into each exercise? Some students look at the assignments and expect to be able to blaze through them relatively quickly, and without realizing it they rush - missing important instructions, or just not necessarily putting as much time into each individual mark. One way you can assess whether or not you're investing as much time as you probably should is to check out the fully recorded process videos of ScyllaStew here - she streams her progress through the lessons and serves as an excellent example of someone taking their time. Mind you, that means she spent something like 12 hours completing Lesson 1 alone. Additionally, the subreddit and community platform are not the only places you can get feedback. There is also the Discord chat server where every lesson has a dedicated channel. Just like everywhere else, feedback is not guaranteed - but if you have questions or need people to look at a specific exercise, there should usually be people around to give you pointers. Ultimately there is a different between you as a person, and the way you may approach things. If you're tired of trying, that's fair. Perhaps you'll pick drawing up again at a later time. But if you're still willing to fight it out, you may find that the way you were approaching it all was the issue, and that there may be key changes that can be made to achieve your goals more effectively. Deciding to submit your work for feedback a week ago was a good first start.
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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fldpogn
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flcglra
| 1,585,069,270 | 1,585,030,093 | 18 | 16 |
learning to draw isn't a job, it's a hobby. so if you are feeling stressed, relax, forget about it for a week. Then come back when you feel like it. Nobody is rushing you to do it. It's your life, and you got plenty of years to come. at the end you'll feel like you never should have stressed at all.
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Don’t worry I think this is just a regular thing all artists go through. I’ve been drawing for 15 years now and I still go through periods of getting frustrated with myself because I feel like I should be better than I am. I’ve even taken year long breaks because I thought I would never be good enough anyway so what’s the point of trying but I always kept coming back to it because it’s my passion. Just have patience and work on things you’re actually passionate about rather than always just doing exercises to get better. I’ve found that’s when I improve the most. I’m a comic artist and for the longest time I wouldn’t allow myself to work on any of the projects I wanted to work on because in my mind I wasn’t good enough but last year I just said fuck it and started working on one anyway and I’m enjoying myself more and improving a lot faster. Growth is hard and it takes a lot of patience so try and work on things you enjoy even if the end result doesn’t look up to your own standards I’m sure it’s still really good!
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flc8zaf
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fldpogn
| 1,585,023,107 | 1,585,069,270 | 14 | 18 |
5 years?? If you have been practicing for 5 years consistently and following the tutorials as well.. thats just not possible unless you are doing it all wrong. The exercises in art fundamentals are NOT EASY even for a professional not gonna lie. They are very hard to nail even in your first 10 attempts. And what are you trying to draw anyways? There is a FZD design cinema episode 101 about sketching where fheng zhu talks about what to draw as a beginner. I highly recommend you go check that. Its almost an hour long but its worth it believe me. That dude runs one of the best colleges in the world for concept art. He starts of by drawing tree roots. Stuff thats completely random. So the margin for your mistakes is quite big for anyone to notice. Whereas the art fundamentals exercises are far from beginner. Because it is perspective based and we see perspective all the time so even if its off by a milimetre, our eye catches it instantly and margin of error is too small. Same with faces, anatomy and regular stuff like vases lamps and boxes! Instead draw roots, insects, animals we dont regularly see because no one know exactly how they look. And avoid perspective view too because then there is too much to consider and if one thing goes wrong, it all looks bad. Art is honestly very subjective. My suggestion is don't stick to one thing. Also if you are not having fun then whats the point. If you want any help anytime feel free to hmu with whats causing problem. I am pretty sure I can help you!
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learning to draw isn't a job, it's a hobby. so if you are feeling stressed, relax, forget about it for a week. Then come back when you feel like it. Nobody is rushing you to do it. It's your life, and you got plenty of years to come. at the end you'll feel like you never should have stressed at all.
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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fldpogn
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flcz6lx
| 1,585,069,270 | 1,585,051,993 | 18 | 14 |
learning to draw isn't a job, it's a hobby. so if you are feeling stressed, relax, forget about it for a week. Then come back when you feel like it. Nobody is rushing you to do it. It's your life, and you got plenty of years to come. at the end you'll feel like you never should have stressed at all.
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You are exactly the person that should draw! You have to stop comparing. You are on a different level, my friend. The rules/ lessons don’t work for you because you are not in a box. You are outside of the box wandering around with your eyes open. Break free of the lessons and trying to fit someone’s mold. I for one am even more curious to see what your art looks like. Also from one artist to another, I am never satisfied. That’s what keeps me coming back to try again. Look into the Greek’s philosophy on The Muses. People can’t withstand the type of pressure we put on ourselves regarding talent and skill. Think of yourself more as a tool.
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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fldpogn
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flcih5f
| 1,585,069,270 | 1,585,032,141 | 18 | 13 |
learning to draw isn't a job, it's a hobby. so if you are feeling stressed, relax, forget about it for a week. Then come back when you feel like it. Nobody is rushing you to do it. It's your life, and you got plenty of years to come. at the end you'll feel like you never should have stressed at all.
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I'm also a beginner so take it with a grain of salt, but I have to wonder why you want to learn? Do you want to make a career out of it? Do you want to show off to other people? Or is it just something you like doing? Because if you like it, then who cares if you suck. And if you dont like it, who cares if you're good? I'm pretty bad but having the freedom to suck can be liberating.
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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fldpogn
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flcwuxe
| 1,585,069,270 | 1,585,049,700 | 18 | 13 |
learning to draw isn't a job, it's a hobby. so if you are feeling stressed, relax, forget about it for a week. Then come back when you feel like it. Nobody is rushing you to do it. It's your life, and you got plenty of years to come. at the end you'll feel like you never should have stressed at all.
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As others have said, you need to be doing art for the right reasons. There will always be someone better than you and there will always be someone worse. As such, you can't compare yourself to others otherwise you will spiral into a pit of self loathing. You also can't expect others to be able to give you the answers. I can't tell you the literal steps I took to get to the point where I could draw ok, it just happened after years and years of just drawing really shitty stuff that I enjoyed drawing. All I can say is yes do the exercises but draw from life and what's around you, draw what you like and don't wait on people to give you feedback before you have another go. If drawing is something you enjoy, then do it.
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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fldpogn
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flcl9gh
| 1,585,069,270 | 1,585,035,409 | 18 | 12 |
learning to draw isn't a job, it's a hobby. so if you are feeling stressed, relax, forget about it for a week. Then come back when you feel like it. Nobody is rushing you to do it. It's your life, and you got plenty of years to come. at the end you'll feel like you never should have stressed at all.
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I quit after the second boxes homework and started to do plant studies. While the courses are incredibly informative, I feel like there’s just too much stuff to grasp at once as another beginner myself. And way too much work on top of that. It took 40 minutes to finish one of the box homeworks and I was just done. (I do understand why he has the work and exercises set up like this, but they’re just not fun and are grueling to get through) There’s nothing wrong with Drawabox not being right for you, but I hope you don’t give up drawing. At the end of the day though, sketching, and art in general, is supposed to be fun. A major pitfall I saw with myself is I would compare my progress with that of my other art friends and would pressure myself to rush and get better myself all at once and then beat myself up when it came out looking wrong or just in a way I like. Though, I’ve since noticed everybody has a different journey with art, and with different paces of progress. And there’s nothing wrong with that. I found it helpful to take a step back from formal lessons and reading about how I can get better, to just saying screw it and drawing what I wanted to instead. Try to find something that you like to sketch. Maybe it’s random, different things or something that’s piqued your interest, or something you found in real life. And then try replicate it on your pad. Slowly but surely you’ll find yourself getting better and better at art and drawing! I personally found it helpful to make a little streak for yourself and see how many days you can go by drawing at least one thing a day!
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flchogu
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fldpogn
| 1,585,031,260 | 1,585,069,270 | 10 | 18 |
I tried to do drawabox a while ago. (Using a different account than this) Sitting around doing nothing all day was starting to feel mind numbing and I felt like putting that empty time towards a skill would be worth my while. The site seems amazingly well done and I’m impressed by what the creator has accomplished and the community feedback. However, it took me multiple hours to get through one page of practice activities, and therefore multiple months to make very little progress over all. As awful as it felt to sit and stare at a wall all day, doing the activities felt even worse. As I sat there my brain turned to mushy static, my breathing became uneven, my vision got blurry and my body would start to vibrate. I wondered if the payoff at the end would eventually be worth it. I imagined myself being able to produce great art pieces but having years of THAT behind me, and continuing to do so for many more years (as they say, art is something you must constantly practice and improve on). Though, I don’t really think that this is something specific to art-I have run into the same problem when practicing any skill. Attempting to learn an instrument, to write, to do physical things with my body, etc. When I picture the payoff at the end (having whichever skill) and I compare it to the cost (which is generally gonna be experiencing THAT on a frequent and constant basis to both build, upkeep, and improve the skill), the cost seems disproportionate to the payoff. I guess that’s what I would consider the main thing to think about. Picture yourself as a highly proficient artist one day, then picture the cost to you to get there. Is the cost worth the payoff?
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learning to draw isn't a job, it's a hobby. so if you are feeling stressed, relax, forget about it for a week. Then come back when you feel like it. Nobody is rushing you to do it. It's your life, and you got plenty of years to come. at the end you'll feel like you never should have stressed at all.
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flc9pzn
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fldpogn
| 1,585,023,707 | 1,585,069,270 | 9 | 18 |
Are you also making art for fun in addition to these lessons? The drawabox content is incredibly valuable but it's pretty dry, and intended to be done alongside the practice you do for joy's sake. Do you like doing characters? Landscapes? creatures? robots? The more you do of that the more you'll see how these lessons lock into the fun art stuff. I'm also about 5 years in and it took me a long time to see my progress, but it is there! Have you looked back at your first attempts from 5 years ago? I bet you've gotten better since then!
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learning to draw isn't a job, it's a hobby. so if you are feeling stressed, relax, forget about it for a week. Then come back when you feel like it. Nobody is rushing you to do it. It's your life, and you got plenty of years to come. at the end you'll feel like you never should have stressed at all.
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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fldpogn
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fld322t
| 1,585,069,270 | 1,585,055,235 | 18 | 10 |
learning to draw isn't a job, it's a hobby. so if you are feeling stressed, relax, forget about it for a week. Then come back when you feel like it. Nobody is rushing you to do it. It's your life, and you got plenty of years to come. at the end you'll feel like you never should have stressed at all.
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Do you enjoy drawing? Your answer to that question is the inverse my answer for whether you should quit.
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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fld3c9x
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fldpogn
| 1,585,055,455 | 1,585,069,270 | 10 | 18 |
I think your in your head too much. Relax and just have fun. Find what kind of art you like doing and just do that. If you're always studying you'll get burned out quickly, and after 20 minutes of work your brain gets dimishing returns.
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learning to draw isn't a job, it's a hobby. so if you are feeling stressed, relax, forget about it for a week. Then come back when you feel like it. Nobody is rushing you to do it. It's your life, and you got plenty of years to come. at the end you'll feel like you never should have stressed at all.
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flcb7ma
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fldpogn
| 1,585,024,960 | 1,585,069,270 | 9 | 18 |
I know that feel. My personal philosophy is that every crappy drawing I do gets me closer to a good drawing. You may want to adjust your mindset when it comes to doing art because we all know motivation is a real problem for artists. I recommend a book called The War of Art by Steven Pressfield. It helped me immensely by putting things in perspective and setting tangible goals for my art.
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learning to draw isn't a job, it's a hobby. so if you are feeling stressed, relax, forget about it for a week. Then come back when you feel like it. Nobody is rushing you to do it. It's your life, and you got plenty of years to come. at the end you'll feel like you never should have stressed at all.
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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fldpogn
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flclquk
| 1,585,069,270 | 1,585,035,999 | 18 | 10 |
learning to draw isn't a job, it's a hobby. so if you are feeling stressed, relax, forget about it for a week. Then come back when you feel like it. Nobody is rushing you to do it. It's your life, and you got plenty of years to come. at the end you'll feel like you never should have stressed at all.
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Maybe thats just not the way your brain learnes. You could try to just draw from life or something.
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fnwdtf
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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fldpogn
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fld2q3l
| 1,585,069,270 | 1,585,054,978 | 18 | 6 |
learning to draw isn't a job, it's a hobby. so if you are feeling stressed, relax, forget about it for a week. Then come back when you feel like it. Nobody is rushing you to do it. It's your life, and you got plenty of years to come. at the end you'll feel like you never should have stressed at all.
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I'm a painter and I stress really hard sometimes when it isn't looking right. I tell myself this like a meditation. "If it doesn't look good it's not a failure, it's just not finished yet"
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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fldpogn
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flcptwf
| 1,585,069,270 | 1,585,041,213 | 18 | 5 |
learning to draw isn't a job, it's a hobby. so if you are feeling stressed, relax, forget about it for a week. Then come back when you feel like it. Nobody is rushing you to do it. It's your life, and you got plenty of years to come. at the end you'll feel like you never should have stressed at all.
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Have you tried taking lessons? Serious question. I used to have problem also with tutorial until I started taking lessons.
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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fldpogn
| 1,585,051,927 | 1,585,069,270 | 5 | 18 |
Do you have links to your Lessons 1 & 2 submissions?
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learning to draw isn't a job, it's a hobby. so if you are feeling stressed, relax, forget about it for a week. Then come back when you feel like it. Nobody is rushing you to do it. It's your life, and you got plenty of years to come. at the end you'll feel like you never should have stressed at all.
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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fldjqan
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fldpogn
| 1,585,065,912 | 1,585,069,270 | 6 | 18 |
I say as long as you want it, to continue to try. I've drawn since I was 6 years old. Got a degree in drawing and everything. It's not an easy thing. I'll tell you right now in college I constantly questioned if this is what I wanted and it gave me so much stress and unhappiness. After I graduated things started to click and I started to get really good. If you need help, shoot me a dm I'll try to give you some advice! Good luck!
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learning to draw isn't a job, it's a hobby. so if you are feeling stressed, relax, forget about it for a week. Then come back when you feel like it. Nobody is rushing you to do it. It's your life, and you got plenty of years to come. at the end you'll feel like you never should have stressed at all.
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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fldpogn
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flca3mj
| 1,585,069,270 | 1,585,024,019 | 18 | 5 |
learning to draw isn't a job, it's a hobby. so if you are feeling stressed, relax, forget about it for a week. Then come back when you feel like it. Nobody is rushing you to do it. It's your life, and you got plenty of years to come. at the end you'll feel like you never should have stressed at all.
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Uhm. It's gotta depend on what your goals are. Then plan milestones within that same goal. If you want, we can chat on Google Hangout, and we can figure it out. I have a bit of extra time now. Message me if you're interested. But yeah, it always comes down to clearly defined goals.
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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fldpogn
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flcp9br
| 1,585,069,270 | 1,585,040,468 | 18 | 5 |
learning to draw isn't a job, it's a hobby. so if you are feeling stressed, relax, forget about it for a week. Then come back when you feel like it. Nobody is rushing you to do it. It's your life, and you got plenty of years to come. at the end you'll feel like you never should have stressed at all.
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Sometimes when I went further, id do poorly in one area and decide to go back through some sections, do it again, try to think more about it, and I found it helped a good bit. Getting frustrated that "its wrong" is natural, but its important to ask *why* and *where* its wrong, its important to think through things with drawing. Sometimes it also helps to change to a different subject/method in general. These aren't just skills you practice and master in one go, you build, build, and build them.
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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fldpogn
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flbwi8b
| 1,585,069,270 | 1,585,014,235 | 18 | 4 |
learning to draw isn't a job, it's a hobby. so if you are feeling stressed, relax, forget about it for a week. Then come back when you feel like it. Nobody is rushing you to do it. It's your life, and you got plenty of years to come. at the end you'll feel like you never should have stressed at all.
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Hm... I have to think about that. I am sorry you experience it like this. Would it help if I say that I struggle, too? I still everything everyone else does is so much better. I only started with the lessons but they are hard... You know what I think? Either you are trying to hard and you need to change the way you see things or you haven't found the right medium or style, yet. Maybe you are also not able to see little improvements.. I don't know you. For me I am still at the boxes and man those are hard. Rough perspective O.O what? But hey I hit the vanishing point twice just twice in the exercise. But there were small improvements. I somehow fail to believe that someone who practises their drawing does not at least in some way improve. I wish I could look at your progress and tell you that but maybe someone who has done those lessons can help you out better. Don't be discouraged. Do the exercises but try something else. If you have never done painting - give it a try. A different technique/approach might feel like a refreshment.
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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fldpogn
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fld4jpa
| 1,585,069,270 | 1,585,056,362 | 18 | 3 |
learning to draw isn't a job, it's a hobby. so if you are feeling stressed, relax, forget about it for a week. Then come back when you feel like it. Nobody is rushing you to do it. It's your life, and you got plenty of years to come. at the end you'll feel like you never should have stressed at all.
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Get good at analyzing your own art. Figure out *why* it "looks bad"
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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fldpogn
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flddntg
| 1,585,069,270 | 1,585,062,378 | 18 | 4 |
learning to draw isn't a job, it's a hobby. so if you are feeling stressed, relax, forget about it for a week. Then come back when you feel like it. Nobody is rushing you to do it. It's your life, and you got plenty of years to come. at the end you'll feel like you never should have stressed at all.
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try other references!
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flbwi8b
| 1,585,014,447 | 1,585,014,235 | 16 | 4 |
Ultimately the answer to that question is up to you, but it might be more productive to look at how you've been approaching things. To start, while we do what we can to get students access to feedback on their work, there are limitations to what can be done for free. The community feedback relies upon other students taking the time to look at your work and offer reviews, and there is always going to be more demand than there are people willing to give that time. The community platform released at the beginning of February attempts to structure things so submissions that have not received feedback continue to circulate even when they're not on the front page, but the subreddit here has no such feature (which is why months were spent developing the community platform as a replacement). Still, even there feedback is not guaranteed, and even when it is received it can take weeks. The only guaranteed option - the official critiques from myself and my teaching assistants - is not free, as I had to stop reviewing all submitted work back in 2016 when it started getting overwhelming. It is extremely cheap, however. That aside, from what I can see, you've posted twice in the subreddit - a page of organic intersections 6 days ago, and a single plant 1 day ago. I've flipped through your post history and am not seeing any submission of Lesson 1 work, no 250 box challenge, and nothing that was any more than one page at a time. You'll note that in the instructions I do state that it is still best to post a full lesson's work all at once (on the community platform that's pretty much the only way you'll even end up in the main section where people get feedback, in order to ensure it doesn't get overly cluttered with people posting little bits at a time). So what I'm seeing is that it doesn't look like you tried to get feedback on the earlier material, and that overall there have only been a couple attempts. It's also hard to say how much time you've put into the course - how long ago did you start, and how much time have you put into each exercise? Some students look at the assignments and expect to be able to blaze through them relatively quickly, and without realizing it they rush - missing important instructions, or just not necessarily putting as much time into each individual mark. One way you can assess whether or not you're investing as much time as you probably should is to check out the fully recorded process videos of ScyllaStew here - she streams her progress through the lessons and serves as an excellent example of someone taking their time. Mind you, that means she spent something like 12 hours completing Lesson 1 alone. Additionally, the subreddit and community platform are not the only places you can get feedback. There is also the Discord chat server where every lesson has a dedicated channel. Just like everywhere else, feedback is not guaranteed - but if you have questions or need people to look at a specific exercise, there should usually be people around to give you pointers. Ultimately there is a different between you as a person, and the way you may approach things. If you're tired of trying, that's fair. Perhaps you'll pick drawing up again at a later time. But if you're still willing to fight it out, you may find that the way you were approaching it all was the issue, and that there may be key changes that can be made to achieve your goals more effectively. Deciding to submit your work for feedback a week ago was a good first start.
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Hm... I have to think about that. I am sorry you experience it like this. Would it help if I say that I struggle, too? I still everything everyone else does is so much better. I only started with the lessons but they are hard... You know what I think? Either you are trying to hard and you need to change the way you see things or you haven't found the right medium or style, yet. Maybe you are also not able to see little improvements.. I don't know you. For me I am still at the boxes and man those are hard. Rough perspective O.O what? But hey I hit the vanishing point twice just twice in the exercise. But there were small improvements. I somehow fail to believe that someone who practises their drawing does not at least in some way improve. I wish I could look at your progress and tell you that but maybe someone who has done those lessons can help you out better. Don't be discouraged. Do the exercises but try something else. If you have never done painting - give it a try. A different technique/approach might feel like a refreshment.
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flc8zaf
| 1,585,030,093 | 1,585,023,107 | 16 | 14 |
Don’t worry I think this is just a regular thing all artists go through. I’ve been drawing for 15 years now and I still go through periods of getting frustrated with myself because I feel like I should be better than I am. I’ve even taken year long breaks because I thought I would never be good enough anyway so what’s the point of trying but I always kept coming back to it because it’s my passion. Just have patience and work on things you’re actually passionate about rather than always just doing exercises to get better. I’ve found that’s when I improve the most. I’m a comic artist and for the longest time I wouldn’t allow myself to work on any of the projects I wanted to work on because in my mind I wasn’t good enough but last year I just said fuck it and started working on one anyway and I’m enjoying myself more and improving a lot faster. Growth is hard and it takes a lot of patience so try and work on things you enjoy even if the end result doesn’t look up to your own standards I’m sure it’s still really good!
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5 years?? If you have been practicing for 5 years consistently and following the tutorials as well.. thats just not possible unless you are doing it all wrong. The exercises in art fundamentals are NOT EASY even for a professional not gonna lie. They are very hard to nail even in your first 10 attempts. And what are you trying to draw anyways? There is a FZD design cinema episode 101 about sketching where fheng zhu talks about what to draw as a beginner. I highly recommend you go check that. Its almost an hour long but its worth it believe me. That dude runs one of the best colleges in the world for concept art. He starts of by drawing tree roots. Stuff thats completely random. So the margin for your mistakes is quite big for anyone to notice. Whereas the art fundamentals exercises are far from beginner. Because it is perspective based and we see perspective all the time so even if its off by a milimetre, our eye catches it instantly and margin of error is too small. Same with faces, anatomy and regular stuff like vases lamps and boxes! Instead draw roots, insects, animals we dont regularly see because no one know exactly how they look. And avoid perspective view too because then there is too much to consider and if one thing goes wrong, it all looks bad. Art is honestly very subjective. My suggestion is don't stick to one thing. Also if you are not having fun then whats the point. If you want any help anytime feel free to hmu with whats causing problem. I am pretty sure I can help you!
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flcglra
| 1,585,023,707 | 1,585,030,093 | 9 | 16 |
Are you also making art for fun in addition to these lessons? The drawabox content is incredibly valuable but it's pretty dry, and intended to be done alongside the practice you do for joy's sake. Do you like doing characters? Landscapes? creatures? robots? The more you do of that the more you'll see how these lessons lock into the fun art stuff. I'm also about 5 years in and it took me a long time to see my progress, but it is there! Have you looked back at your first attempts from 5 years ago? I bet you've gotten better since then!
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Don’t worry I think this is just a regular thing all artists go through. I’ve been drawing for 15 years now and I still go through periods of getting frustrated with myself because I feel like I should be better than I am. I’ve even taken year long breaks because I thought I would never be good enough anyway so what’s the point of trying but I always kept coming back to it because it’s my passion. Just have patience and work on things you’re actually passionate about rather than always just doing exercises to get better. I’ve found that’s when I improve the most. I’m a comic artist and for the longest time I wouldn’t allow myself to work on any of the projects I wanted to work on because in my mind I wasn’t good enough but last year I just said fuck it and started working on one anyway and I’m enjoying myself more and improving a lot faster. Growth is hard and it takes a lot of patience so try and work on things you enjoy even if the end result doesn’t look up to your own standards I’m sure it’s still really good!
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flcglra
| 1,585,024,960 | 1,585,030,093 | 9 | 16 |
I know that feel. My personal philosophy is that every crappy drawing I do gets me closer to a good drawing. You may want to adjust your mindset when it comes to doing art because we all know motivation is a real problem for artists. I recommend a book called The War of Art by Steven Pressfield. It helped me immensely by putting things in perspective and setting tangible goals for my art.
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Don’t worry I think this is just a regular thing all artists go through. I’ve been drawing for 15 years now and I still go through periods of getting frustrated with myself because I feel like I should be better than I am. I’ve even taken year long breaks because I thought I would never be good enough anyway so what’s the point of trying but I always kept coming back to it because it’s my passion. Just have patience and work on things you’re actually passionate about rather than always just doing exercises to get better. I’ve found that’s when I improve the most. I’m a comic artist and for the longest time I wouldn’t allow myself to work on any of the projects I wanted to work on because in my mind I wasn’t good enough but last year I just said fuck it and started working on one anyway and I’m enjoying myself more and improving a lot faster. Growth is hard and it takes a lot of patience so try and work on things you enjoy even if the end result doesn’t look up to your own standards I’m sure it’s still really good!
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flca3mj
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flcglra
| 1,585,024,019 | 1,585,030,093 | 5 | 16 |
Uhm. It's gotta depend on what your goals are. Then plan milestones within that same goal. If you want, we can chat on Google Hangout, and we can figure it out. I have a bit of extra time now. Message me if you're interested. But yeah, it always comes down to clearly defined goals.
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Don’t worry I think this is just a regular thing all artists go through. I’ve been drawing for 15 years now and I still go through periods of getting frustrated with myself because I feel like I should be better than I am. I’ve even taken year long breaks because I thought I would never be good enough anyway so what’s the point of trying but I always kept coming back to it because it’s my passion. Just have patience and work on things you’re actually passionate about rather than always just doing exercises to get better. I’ve found that’s when I improve the most. I’m a comic artist and for the longest time I wouldn’t allow myself to work on any of the projects I wanted to work on because in my mind I wasn’t good enough but last year I just said fuck it and started working on one anyway and I’m enjoying myself more and improving a lot faster. Growth is hard and it takes a lot of patience so try and work on things you enjoy even if the end result doesn’t look up to your own standards I’m sure it’s still really good!
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flcglra
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Hm... I have to think about that. I am sorry you experience it like this. Would it help if I say that I struggle, too? I still everything everyone else does is so much better. I only started with the lessons but they are hard... You know what I think? Either you are trying to hard and you need to change the way you see things or you haven't found the right medium or style, yet. Maybe you are also not able to see little improvements.. I don't know you. For me I am still at the boxes and man those are hard. Rough perspective O.O what? But hey I hit the vanishing point twice just twice in the exercise. But there were small improvements. I somehow fail to believe that someone who practises their drawing does not at least in some way improve. I wish I could look at your progress and tell you that but maybe someone who has done those lessons can help you out better. Don't be discouraged. Do the exercises but try something else. If you have never done painting - give it a try. A different technique/approach might feel like a refreshment.
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Don’t worry I think this is just a regular thing all artists go through. I’ve been drawing for 15 years now and I still go through periods of getting frustrated with myself because I feel like I should be better than I am. I’ve even taken year long breaks because I thought I would never be good enough anyway so what’s the point of trying but I always kept coming back to it because it’s my passion. Just have patience and work on things you’re actually passionate about rather than always just doing exercises to get better. I’ve found that’s when I improve the most. I’m a comic artist and for the longest time I wouldn’t allow myself to work on any of the projects I wanted to work on because in my mind I wasn’t good enough but last year I just said fuck it and started working on one anyway and I’m enjoying myself more and improving a lot faster. Growth is hard and it takes a lot of patience so try and work on things you enjoy even if the end result doesn’t look up to your own standards I’m sure it’s still really good!
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flbwi8b
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5 years?? If you have been practicing for 5 years consistently and following the tutorials as well.. thats just not possible unless you are doing it all wrong. The exercises in art fundamentals are NOT EASY even for a professional not gonna lie. They are very hard to nail even in your first 10 attempts. And what are you trying to draw anyways? There is a FZD design cinema episode 101 about sketching where fheng zhu talks about what to draw as a beginner. I highly recommend you go check that. Its almost an hour long but its worth it believe me. That dude runs one of the best colleges in the world for concept art. He starts of by drawing tree roots. Stuff thats completely random. So the margin for your mistakes is quite big for anyone to notice. Whereas the art fundamentals exercises are far from beginner. Because it is perspective based and we see perspective all the time so even if its off by a milimetre, our eye catches it instantly and margin of error is too small. Same with faces, anatomy and regular stuff like vases lamps and boxes! Instead draw roots, insects, animals we dont regularly see because no one know exactly how they look. And avoid perspective view too because then there is too much to consider and if one thing goes wrong, it all looks bad. Art is honestly very subjective. My suggestion is don't stick to one thing. Also if you are not having fun then whats the point. If you want any help anytime feel free to hmu with whats causing problem. I am pretty sure I can help you!
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Hm... I have to think about that. I am sorry you experience it like this. Would it help if I say that I struggle, too? I still everything everyone else does is so much better. I only started with the lessons but they are hard... You know what I think? Either you are trying to hard and you need to change the way you see things or you haven't found the right medium or style, yet. Maybe you are also not able to see little improvements.. I don't know you. For me I am still at the boxes and man those are hard. Rough perspective O.O what? But hey I hit the vanishing point twice just twice in the exercise. But there were small improvements. I somehow fail to believe that someone who practises their drawing does not at least in some way improve. I wish I could look at your progress and tell you that but maybe someone who has done those lessons can help you out better. Don't be discouraged. Do the exercises but try something else. If you have never done painting - give it a try. A different technique/approach might feel like a refreshment.
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flcz6lx
| 1,585,032,141 | 1,585,051,993 | 13 | 14 |
I'm also a beginner so take it with a grain of salt, but I have to wonder why you want to learn? Do you want to make a career out of it? Do you want to show off to other people? Or is it just something you like doing? Because if you like it, then who cares if you suck. And if you dont like it, who cares if you're good? I'm pretty bad but having the freedom to suck can be liberating.
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You are exactly the person that should draw! You have to stop comparing. You are on a different level, my friend. The rules/ lessons don’t work for you because you are not in a box. You are outside of the box wandering around with your eyes open. Break free of the lessons and trying to fit someone’s mold. I for one am even more curious to see what your art looks like. Also from one artist to another, I am never satisfied. That’s what keeps me coming back to try again. Look into the Greek’s philosophy on The Muses. People can’t withstand the type of pressure we put on ourselves regarding talent and skill. Think of yourself more as a tool.
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flcz6lx
| 1,585,049,700 | 1,585,051,993 | 13 | 14 |
As others have said, you need to be doing art for the right reasons. There will always be someone better than you and there will always be someone worse. As such, you can't compare yourself to others otherwise you will spiral into a pit of self loathing. You also can't expect others to be able to give you the answers. I can't tell you the literal steps I took to get to the point where I could draw ok, it just happened after years and years of just drawing really shitty stuff that I enjoyed drawing. All I can say is yes do the exercises but draw from life and what's around you, draw what you like and don't wait on people to give you feedback before you have another go. If drawing is something you enjoy, then do it.
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You are exactly the person that should draw! You have to stop comparing. You are on a different level, my friend. The rules/ lessons don’t work for you because you are not in a box. You are outside of the box wandering around with your eyes open. Break free of the lessons and trying to fit someone’s mold. I for one am even more curious to see what your art looks like. Also from one artist to another, I am never satisfied. That’s what keeps me coming back to try again. Look into the Greek’s philosophy on The Muses. People can’t withstand the type of pressure we put on ourselves regarding talent and skill. Think of yourself more as a tool.
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flcz6lx
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flcl9gh
| 1,585,051,993 | 1,585,035,409 | 14 | 12 |
You are exactly the person that should draw! You have to stop comparing. You are on a different level, my friend. The rules/ lessons don’t work for you because you are not in a box. You are outside of the box wandering around with your eyes open. Break free of the lessons and trying to fit someone’s mold. I for one am even more curious to see what your art looks like. Also from one artist to another, I am never satisfied. That’s what keeps me coming back to try again. Look into the Greek’s philosophy on The Muses. People can’t withstand the type of pressure we put on ourselves regarding talent and skill. Think of yourself more as a tool.
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I quit after the second boxes homework and started to do plant studies. While the courses are incredibly informative, I feel like there’s just too much stuff to grasp at once as another beginner myself. And way too much work on top of that. It took 40 minutes to finish one of the box homeworks and I was just done. (I do understand why he has the work and exercises set up like this, but they’re just not fun and are grueling to get through) There’s nothing wrong with Drawabox not being right for you, but I hope you don’t give up drawing. At the end of the day though, sketching, and art in general, is supposed to be fun. A major pitfall I saw with myself is I would compare my progress with that of my other art friends and would pressure myself to rush and get better myself all at once and then beat myself up when it came out looking wrong or just in a way I like. Though, I’ve since noticed everybody has a different journey with art, and with different paces of progress. And there’s nothing wrong with that. I found it helpful to take a step back from formal lessons and reading about how I can get better, to just saying screw it and drawing what I wanted to instead. Try to find something that you like to sketch. Maybe it’s random, different things or something that’s piqued your interest, or something you found in real life. And then try replicate it on your pad. Slowly but surely you’ll find yourself getting better and better at art and drawing! I personally found it helpful to make a little streak for yourself and see how many days you can go by drawing at least one thing a day!
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flcz6lx
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flchogu
| 1,585,051,993 | 1,585,031,260 | 14 | 10 |
You are exactly the person that should draw! You have to stop comparing. You are on a different level, my friend. The rules/ lessons don’t work for you because you are not in a box. You are outside of the box wandering around with your eyes open. Break free of the lessons and trying to fit someone’s mold. I for one am even more curious to see what your art looks like. Also from one artist to another, I am never satisfied. That’s what keeps me coming back to try again. Look into the Greek’s philosophy on The Muses. People can’t withstand the type of pressure we put on ourselves regarding talent and skill. Think of yourself more as a tool.
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I tried to do drawabox a while ago. (Using a different account than this) Sitting around doing nothing all day was starting to feel mind numbing and I felt like putting that empty time towards a skill would be worth my while. The site seems amazingly well done and I’m impressed by what the creator has accomplished and the community feedback. However, it took me multiple hours to get through one page of practice activities, and therefore multiple months to make very little progress over all. As awful as it felt to sit and stare at a wall all day, doing the activities felt even worse. As I sat there my brain turned to mushy static, my breathing became uneven, my vision got blurry and my body would start to vibrate. I wondered if the payoff at the end would eventually be worth it. I imagined myself being able to produce great art pieces but having years of THAT behind me, and continuing to do so for many more years (as they say, art is something you must constantly practice and improve on). Though, I don’t really think that this is something specific to art-I have run into the same problem when practicing any skill. Attempting to learn an instrument, to write, to do physical things with my body, etc. When I picture the payoff at the end (having whichever skill) and I compare it to the cost (which is generally gonna be experiencing THAT on a frequent and constant basis to both build, upkeep, and improve the skill), the cost seems disproportionate to the payoff. I guess that’s what I would consider the main thing to think about. Picture yourself as a highly proficient artist one day, then picture the cost to you to get there. Is the cost worth the payoff?
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fnwdtf
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flcz6lx
| 1,585,023,707 | 1,585,051,993 | 9 | 14 |
Are you also making art for fun in addition to these lessons? The drawabox content is incredibly valuable but it's pretty dry, and intended to be done alongside the practice you do for joy's sake. Do you like doing characters? Landscapes? creatures? robots? The more you do of that the more you'll see how these lessons lock into the fun art stuff. I'm also about 5 years in and it took me a long time to see my progress, but it is there! Have you looked back at your first attempts from 5 years ago? I bet you've gotten better since then!
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You are exactly the person that should draw! You have to stop comparing. You are on a different level, my friend. The rules/ lessons don’t work for you because you are not in a box. You are outside of the box wandering around with your eyes open. Break free of the lessons and trying to fit someone’s mold. I for one am even more curious to see what your art looks like. Also from one artist to another, I am never satisfied. That’s what keeps me coming back to try again. Look into the Greek’s philosophy on The Muses. People can’t withstand the type of pressure we put on ourselves regarding talent and skill. Think of yourself more as a tool.
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flcz6lx
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flcb7ma
| 1,585,051,993 | 1,585,024,960 | 14 | 9 |
You are exactly the person that should draw! You have to stop comparing. You are on a different level, my friend. The rules/ lessons don’t work for you because you are not in a box. You are outside of the box wandering around with your eyes open. Break free of the lessons and trying to fit someone’s mold. I for one am even more curious to see what your art looks like. Also from one artist to another, I am never satisfied. That’s what keeps me coming back to try again. Look into the Greek’s philosophy on The Muses. People can’t withstand the type of pressure we put on ourselves regarding talent and skill. Think of yourself more as a tool.
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I know that feel. My personal philosophy is that every crappy drawing I do gets me closer to a good drawing. You may want to adjust your mindset when it comes to doing art because we all know motivation is a real problem for artists. I recommend a book called The War of Art by Steven Pressfield. It helped me immensely by putting things in perspective and setting tangible goals for my art.
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flcz6lx
| 1,585,035,999 | 1,585,051,993 | 10 | 14 |
Maybe thats just not the way your brain learnes. You could try to just draw from life or something.
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You are exactly the person that should draw! You have to stop comparing. You are on a different level, my friend. The rules/ lessons don’t work for you because you are not in a box. You are outside of the box wandering around with your eyes open. Break free of the lessons and trying to fit someone’s mold. I for one am even more curious to see what your art looks like. Also from one artist to another, I am never satisfied. That’s what keeps me coming back to try again. Look into the Greek’s philosophy on The Muses. People can’t withstand the type of pressure we put on ourselves regarding talent and skill. Think of yourself more as a tool.
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flcz6lx
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flcptwf
| 1,585,051,993 | 1,585,041,213 | 14 | 5 |
You are exactly the person that should draw! You have to stop comparing. You are on a different level, my friend. The rules/ lessons don’t work for you because you are not in a box. You are outside of the box wandering around with your eyes open. Break free of the lessons and trying to fit someone’s mold. I for one am even more curious to see what your art looks like. Also from one artist to another, I am never satisfied. That’s what keeps me coming back to try again. Look into the Greek’s philosophy on The Muses. People can’t withstand the type of pressure we put on ourselves regarding talent and skill. Think of yourself more as a tool.
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Have you tried taking lessons? Serious question. I used to have problem also with tutorial until I started taking lessons.
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flcz6lx
| 1,585,051,927 | 1,585,051,993 | 5 | 14 |
Do you have links to your Lessons 1 & 2 submissions?
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You are exactly the person that should draw! You have to stop comparing. You are on a different level, my friend. The rules/ lessons don’t work for you because you are not in a box. You are outside of the box wandering around with your eyes open. Break free of the lessons and trying to fit someone’s mold. I for one am even more curious to see what your art looks like. Also from one artist to another, I am never satisfied. That’s what keeps me coming back to try again. Look into the Greek’s philosophy on The Muses. People can’t withstand the type of pressure we put on ourselves regarding talent and skill. Think of yourself more as a tool.
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flcz6lx
| 1,585,024,019 | 1,585,051,993 | 5 | 14 |
Uhm. It's gotta depend on what your goals are. Then plan milestones within that same goal. If you want, we can chat on Google Hangout, and we can figure it out. I have a bit of extra time now. Message me if you're interested. But yeah, it always comes down to clearly defined goals.
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You are exactly the person that should draw! You have to stop comparing. You are on a different level, my friend. The rules/ lessons don’t work for you because you are not in a box. You are outside of the box wandering around with your eyes open. Break free of the lessons and trying to fit someone’s mold. I for one am even more curious to see what your art looks like. Also from one artist to another, I am never satisfied. That’s what keeps me coming back to try again. Look into the Greek’s philosophy on The Muses. People can’t withstand the type of pressure we put on ourselves regarding talent and skill. Think of yourself more as a tool.
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fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flcz6lx
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flcp9br
| 1,585,051,993 | 1,585,040,468 | 14 | 5 |
You are exactly the person that should draw! You have to stop comparing. You are on a different level, my friend. The rules/ lessons don’t work for you because you are not in a box. You are outside of the box wandering around with your eyes open. Break free of the lessons and trying to fit someone’s mold. I for one am even more curious to see what your art looks like. Also from one artist to another, I am never satisfied. That’s what keeps me coming back to try again. Look into the Greek’s philosophy on The Muses. People can’t withstand the type of pressure we put on ourselves regarding talent and skill. Think of yourself more as a tool.
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Sometimes when I went further, id do poorly in one area and decide to go back through some sections, do it again, try to think more about it, and I found it helped a good bit. Getting frustrated that "its wrong" is natural, but its important to ask *why* and *where* its wrong, its important to think through things with drawing. Sometimes it also helps to change to a different subject/method in general. These aren't just skills you practice and master in one go, you build, build, and build them.
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When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flbwi8b
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flcz6lx
| 1,585,014,235 | 1,585,051,993 | 4 | 14 |
Hm... I have to think about that. I am sorry you experience it like this. Would it help if I say that I struggle, too? I still everything everyone else does is so much better. I only started with the lessons but they are hard... You know what I think? Either you are trying to hard and you need to change the way you see things or you haven't found the right medium or style, yet. Maybe you are also not able to see little improvements.. I don't know you. For me I am still at the boxes and man those are hard. Rough perspective O.O what? But hey I hit the vanishing point twice just twice in the exercise. But there were small improvements. I somehow fail to believe that someone who practises their drawing does not at least in some way improve. I wish I could look at your progress and tell you that but maybe someone who has done those lessons can help you out better. Don't be discouraged. Do the exercises but try something else. If you have never done painting - give it a try. A different technique/approach might feel like a refreshment.
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You are exactly the person that should draw! You have to stop comparing. You are on a different level, my friend. The rules/ lessons don’t work for you because you are not in a box. You are outside of the box wandering around with your eyes open. Break free of the lessons and trying to fit someone’s mold. I for one am even more curious to see what your art looks like. Also from one artist to another, I am never satisfied. That’s what keeps me coming back to try again. Look into the Greek’s philosophy on The Muses. People can’t withstand the type of pressure we put on ourselves regarding talent and skill. Think of yourself more as a tool.
| 0 | 37,758 | 3.5 | ||
fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.9 |
When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flcih5f
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flchogu
| 1,585,032,141 | 1,585,031,260 | 13 | 10 |
I'm also a beginner so take it with a grain of salt, but I have to wonder why you want to learn? Do you want to make a career out of it? Do you want to show off to other people? Or is it just something you like doing? Because if you like it, then who cares if you suck. And if you dont like it, who cares if you're good? I'm pretty bad but having the freedom to suck can be liberating.
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I tried to do drawabox a while ago. (Using a different account than this) Sitting around doing nothing all day was starting to feel mind numbing and I felt like putting that empty time towards a skill would be worth my while. The site seems amazingly well done and I’m impressed by what the creator has accomplished and the community feedback. However, it took me multiple hours to get through one page of practice activities, and therefore multiple months to make very little progress over all. As awful as it felt to sit and stare at a wall all day, doing the activities felt even worse. As I sat there my brain turned to mushy static, my breathing became uneven, my vision got blurry and my body would start to vibrate. I wondered if the payoff at the end would eventually be worth it. I imagined myself being able to produce great art pieces but having years of THAT behind me, and continuing to do so for many more years (as they say, art is something you must constantly practice and improve on). Though, I don’t really think that this is something specific to art-I have run into the same problem when practicing any skill. Attempting to learn an instrument, to write, to do physical things with my body, etc. When I picture the payoff at the end (having whichever skill) and I compare it to the cost (which is generally gonna be experiencing THAT on a frequent and constant basis to both build, upkeep, and improve the skill), the cost seems disproportionate to the payoff. I guess that’s what I would consider the main thing to think about. Picture yourself as a highly proficient artist one day, then picture the cost to you to get there. Is the cost worth the payoff?
| 1 | 881 | 1.3 | ||
fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.9 |
When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flc9pzn
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flcih5f
| 1,585,023,707 | 1,585,032,141 | 9 | 13 |
Are you also making art for fun in addition to these lessons? The drawabox content is incredibly valuable but it's pretty dry, and intended to be done alongside the practice you do for joy's sake. Do you like doing characters? Landscapes? creatures? robots? The more you do of that the more you'll see how these lessons lock into the fun art stuff. I'm also about 5 years in and it took me a long time to see my progress, but it is there! Have you looked back at your first attempts from 5 years ago? I bet you've gotten better since then!
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I'm also a beginner so take it with a grain of salt, but I have to wonder why you want to learn? Do you want to make a career out of it? Do you want to show off to other people? Or is it just something you like doing? Because if you like it, then who cares if you suck. And if you dont like it, who cares if you're good? I'm pretty bad but having the freedom to suck can be liberating.
| 0 | 8,434 | 1.444444 | ||
fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.9 |
When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flcih5f
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flcb7ma
| 1,585,032,141 | 1,585,024,960 | 13 | 9 |
I'm also a beginner so take it with a grain of salt, but I have to wonder why you want to learn? Do you want to make a career out of it? Do you want to show off to other people? Or is it just something you like doing? Because if you like it, then who cares if you suck. And if you dont like it, who cares if you're good? I'm pretty bad but having the freedom to suck can be liberating.
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I know that feel. My personal philosophy is that every crappy drawing I do gets me closer to a good drawing. You may want to adjust your mindset when it comes to doing art because we all know motivation is a real problem for artists. I recommend a book called The War of Art by Steven Pressfield. It helped me immensely by putting things in perspective and setting tangible goals for my art.
| 1 | 7,181 | 1.444444 | ||
fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.9 |
When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flca3mj
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flcih5f
| 1,585,024,019 | 1,585,032,141 | 5 | 13 |
Uhm. It's gotta depend on what your goals are. Then plan milestones within that same goal. If you want, we can chat on Google Hangout, and we can figure it out. I have a bit of extra time now. Message me if you're interested. But yeah, it always comes down to clearly defined goals.
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I'm also a beginner so take it with a grain of salt, but I have to wonder why you want to learn? Do you want to make a career out of it? Do you want to show off to other people? Or is it just something you like doing? Because if you like it, then who cares if you suck. And if you dont like it, who cares if you're good? I'm pretty bad but having the freedom to suck can be liberating.
| 0 | 8,122 | 2.6 | ||
fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.9 |
When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flcih5f
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flbwi8b
| 1,585,032,141 | 1,585,014,235 | 13 | 4 |
I'm also a beginner so take it with a grain of salt, but I have to wonder why you want to learn? Do you want to make a career out of it? Do you want to show off to other people? Or is it just something you like doing? Because if you like it, then who cares if you suck. And if you dont like it, who cares if you're good? I'm pretty bad but having the freedom to suck can be liberating.
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Hm... I have to think about that. I am sorry you experience it like this. Would it help if I say that I struggle, too? I still everything everyone else does is so much better. I only started with the lessons but they are hard... You know what I think? Either you are trying to hard and you need to change the way you see things or you haven't found the right medium or style, yet. Maybe you are also not able to see little improvements.. I don't know you. For me I am still at the boxes and man those are hard. Rough perspective O.O what? But hey I hit the vanishing point twice just twice in the exercise. But there were small improvements. I somehow fail to believe that someone who practises their drawing does not at least in some way improve. I wish I could look at your progress and tell you that but maybe someone who has done those lessons can help you out better. Don't be discouraged. Do the exercises but try something else. If you have never done painting - give it a try. A different technique/approach might feel like a refreshment.
| 1 | 17,906 | 3.25 | ||
fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.9 |
When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flcl9gh
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flcwuxe
| 1,585,035,409 | 1,585,049,700 | 12 | 13 |
I quit after the second boxes homework and started to do plant studies. While the courses are incredibly informative, I feel like there’s just too much stuff to grasp at once as another beginner myself. And way too much work on top of that. It took 40 minutes to finish one of the box homeworks and I was just done. (I do understand why he has the work and exercises set up like this, but they’re just not fun and are grueling to get through) There’s nothing wrong with Drawabox not being right for you, but I hope you don’t give up drawing. At the end of the day though, sketching, and art in general, is supposed to be fun. A major pitfall I saw with myself is I would compare my progress with that of my other art friends and would pressure myself to rush and get better myself all at once and then beat myself up when it came out looking wrong or just in a way I like. Though, I’ve since noticed everybody has a different journey with art, and with different paces of progress. And there’s nothing wrong with that. I found it helpful to take a step back from formal lessons and reading about how I can get better, to just saying screw it and drawing what I wanted to instead. Try to find something that you like to sketch. Maybe it’s random, different things or something that’s piqued your interest, or something you found in real life. And then try replicate it on your pad. Slowly but surely you’ll find yourself getting better and better at art and drawing! I personally found it helpful to make a little streak for yourself and see how many days you can go by drawing at least one thing a day!
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As others have said, you need to be doing art for the right reasons. There will always be someone better than you and there will always be someone worse. As such, you can't compare yourself to others otherwise you will spiral into a pit of self loathing. You also can't expect others to be able to give you the answers. I can't tell you the literal steps I took to get to the point where I could draw ok, it just happened after years and years of just drawing really shitty stuff that I enjoyed drawing. All I can say is yes do the exercises but draw from life and what's around you, draw what you like and don't wait on people to give you feedback before you have another go. If drawing is something you enjoy, then do it.
| 0 | 14,291 | 1.083333 | ||
fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.9 |
When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flchogu
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flcwuxe
| 1,585,031,260 | 1,585,049,700 | 10 | 13 |
I tried to do drawabox a while ago. (Using a different account than this) Sitting around doing nothing all day was starting to feel mind numbing and I felt like putting that empty time towards a skill would be worth my while. The site seems amazingly well done and I’m impressed by what the creator has accomplished and the community feedback. However, it took me multiple hours to get through one page of practice activities, and therefore multiple months to make very little progress over all. As awful as it felt to sit and stare at a wall all day, doing the activities felt even worse. As I sat there my brain turned to mushy static, my breathing became uneven, my vision got blurry and my body would start to vibrate. I wondered if the payoff at the end would eventually be worth it. I imagined myself being able to produce great art pieces but having years of THAT behind me, and continuing to do so for many more years (as they say, art is something you must constantly practice and improve on). Though, I don’t really think that this is something specific to art-I have run into the same problem when practicing any skill. Attempting to learn an instrument, to write, to do physical things with my body, etc. When I picture the payoff at the end (having whichever skill) and I compare it to the cost (which is generally gonna be experiencing THAT on a frequent and constant basis to both build, upkeep, and improve the skill), the cost seems disproportionate to the payoff. I guess that’s what I would consider the main thing to think about. Picture yourself as a highly proficient artist one day, then picture the cost to you to get there. Is the cost worth the payoff?
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As others have said, you need to be doing art for the right reasons. There will always be someone better than you and there will always be someone worse. As such, you can't compare yourself to others otherwise you will spiral into a pit of self loathing. You also can't expect others to be able to give you the answers. I can't tell you the literal steps I took to get to the point where I could draw ok, it just happened after years and years of just drawing really shitty stuff that I enjoyed drawing. All I can say is yes do the exercises but draw from life and what's around you, draw what you like and don't wait on people to give you feedback before you have another go. If drawing is something you enjoy, then do it.
| 0 | 18,440 | 1.3 | ||
fnwdtf
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.9 |
When is it time to quit? Just finished lesson 3 daisy demo...I’m so bad at this. I don’t get a lot. Been trying to learn to draw for five years now and everything I do is still horrible. I know “anyone” can draw. I even studied the brain mechanics behind it with Drawing in the Right side of the brain...as much as I want it maybe this just isn’t for me. Maybe I just can’t. I can’t even improve properly because when ever I ask for help no one answers. I tried taking courses back when I was in college but they are to fast and ridges. I haven’t felt this lost since math in high school...and I was only lost there due to the America school system leaving me several grades behind in math because they couldn’t be asked to help me either. Trying to learn to draw is just bringing me unhappiness and stress because nothing changes no matter how I tackle the problem and I never feel like I “get it”.
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flc9pzn
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flcwuxe
| 1,585,023,707 | 1,585,049,700 | 9 | 13 |
Are you also making art for fun in addition to these lessons? The drawabox content is incredibly valuable but it's pretty dry, and intended to be done alongside the practice you do for joy's sake. Do you like doing characters? Landscapes? creatures? robots? The more you do of that the more you'll see how these lessons lock into the fun art stuff. I'm also about 5 years in and it took me a long time to see my progress, but it is there! Have you looked back at your first attempts from 5 years ago? I bet you've gotten better since then!
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As others have said, you need to be doing art for the right reasons. There will always be someone better than you and there will always be someone worse. As such, you can't compare yourself to others otherwise you will spiral into a pit of self loathing. You also can't expect others to be able to give you the answers. I can't tell you the literal steps I took to get to the point where I could draw ok, it just happened after years and years of just drawing really shitty stuff that I enjoyed drawing. All I can say is yes do the exercises but draw from life and what's around you, draw what you like and don't wait on people to give you feedback before you have another go. If drawing is something you enjoy, then do it.
| 0 | 25,993 | 1.444444 |
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