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I can't draw straight lines I tried drawing from my shoulder,resting my wrist and going fast but none of that seems to make my lines go straight what should I do
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imxbaul
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**To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead: * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting. **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.*
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My favorite bit of advice for straight lines was to look at the point you want the line to go, not at the pencil/pen.
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I can't draw straight lines I tried drawing from my shoulder,resting my wrist and going fast but none of that seems to make my lines go straight what should I do
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imwjtf3
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imximok
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What worked for me: 1. Lock your fingers 2. Lovk your wrist 3. Only move arm and shoulder 4. 👍
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I can't draw straight lines I tried drawing from my shoulder,resting my wrist and going fast but none of that seems to make my lines go straight what should I do
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imwjtf3
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imx7ceq
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Draw straight lines using your shoulder. Keep wrist still. Make sure you aim to point A to point B with your eyes. Start of with smaller lines first then increase length when you get better. Keep practicing I was once like this and practicing will help you improve!
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x4pcn7
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I can't draw straight lines I tried drawing from my shoulder,resting my wrist and going fast but none of that seems to make my lines go straight what should I do
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imzghc1
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imwjtf3
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I find it easier focusing on going in a direction rather than thinking of going in a straight line. Just tell yourself I started going this way and I am going to keep going this way. Don't think of angles or point a to b in the beginning just try to get a feel for going straight first.
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I can't draw straight lines I tried drawing from my shoulder,resting my wrist and going fast but none of that seems to make my lines go straight what should I do
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imz5yxe
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imwjtf3
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You have to "shut down" your brain. Go blank. I curved a lot until I stopped thinking and only drew lines. I still can't draw straight, but it's getting better. Thinking about drawing straight makes you want to adjust and that makes you overshoot in all directions. Just let your hand move in the general direction, at least at first. You'll get there. It will take a lot of effort, but remember - per aspera ad astrum. Good luck.
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I can't draw straight lines I tried drawing from my shoulder,resting my wrist and going fast but none of that seems to make my lines go straight what should I do
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in1jx77
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Things that I do that are kinda working: 1. Look at point you're going to draw towards while drawing your line. 2. Imagine there's an invisible line between your two points and draw over it. 3. Slightly curve your line in the opposite direction of where you think your line will curve.
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I can't draw straight lines I tried drawing from my shoulder,resting my wrist and going fast but none of that seems to make my lines go straight what should I do
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imwjtf3
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in710q5
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Check even more basic setup details besides shoulder/arm/wrist position: body posture. The wrong posture can place the arm off just enough to not allow consistency in drawing. Check this out: https://www.thedesignsketchbook.com/what-counts-as-good-drawing-posture/ Also, I would recommend a physical type of exercise for your arms such as using dumbbells. You could do strict curls, wrist curls, hammer curls, reverse flye, lateral raise to name a few as long as it’s not overdone (article here to see a good selection: https://www.mensjournal.com/health-fitness/the-30-best-dumbbell-exercises-of-all-time/farmers-walk-3/). This will activate and create the supporting muscles around your arms which do help with better control of your drawing tools (or any tool for that matter).
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I can't draw straight lines I tried drawing from my shoulder,resting my wrist and going fast but none of that seems to make my lines go straight what should I do
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imxqsmj
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imxbnes
| 1,662,219,216 | 1,662,212,554 | 15 | 13 |
It won’t happen automatically or instantly. You have to do these exercises for a while before it clicks. Just like going to the gym and lifting weights, you don’t see instant results.
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Drawing straight lines is a skill, just like drawing a circle. If you want to get good at it, practice and forgive the small mistakes as things you can slowly correct!
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x4pcn7
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I can't draw straight lines I tried drawing from my shoulder,resting my wrist and going fast but none of that seems to make my lines go straight what should I do
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imxqsmj
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imxbaul
| 1,662,219,216 | 1,662,212,388 | 15 | 12 |
It won’t happen automatically or instantly. You have to do these exercises for a while before it clicks. Just like going to the gym and lifting weights, you don’t see instant results.
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My favorite bit of advice for straight lines was to look at the point you want the line to go, not at the pencil/pen.
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x4pcn7
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I can't draw straight lines I tried drawing from my shoulder,resting my wrist and going fast but none of that seems to make my lines go straight what should I do
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imxqsmj
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imximok
| 1,662,219,216 | 1,662,215,751 | 15 | 6 |
It won’t happen automatically or instantly. You have to do these exercises for a while before it clicks. Just like going to the gym and lifting weights, you don’t see instant results.
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What worked for me: 1. Lock your fingers 2. Lovk your wrist 3. Only move arm and shoulder 4. 👍
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x4pcn7
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I can't draw straight lines I tried drawing from my shoulder,resting my wrist and going fast but none of that seems to make my lines go straight what should I do
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imxqsmj
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imx7ceq
| 1,662,219,216 | 1,662,210,457 | 15 | 4 |
It won’t happen automatically or instantly. You have to do these exercises for a while before it clicks. Just like going to the gym and lifting weights, you don’t see instant results.
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Draw straight lines using your shoulder. Keep wrist still. Make sure you aim to point A to point B with your eyes. Start of with smaller lines first then increase length when you get better. Keep practicing I was once like this and practicing will help you improve!
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x4pcn7
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I can't draw straight lines I tried drawing from my shoulder,resting my wrist and going fast but none of that seems to make my lines go straight what should I do
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imxbaul
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imxbnes
| 1,662,212,388 | 1,662,212,554 | 12 | 13 |
My favorite bit of advice for straight lines was to look at the point you want the line to go, not at the pencil/pen.
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Drawing straight lines is a skill, just like drawing a circle. If you want to get good at it, practice and forgive the small mistakes as things you can slowly correct!
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x4pcn7
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artfundamentals_train
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I can't draw straight lines I tried drawing from my shoulder,resting my wrist and going fast but none of that seems to make my lines go straight what should I do
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imxbnes
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imx7ceq
| 1,662,212,554 | 1,662,210,457 | 13 | 4 |
Drawing straight lines is a skill, just like drawing a circle. If you want to get good at it, practice and forgive the small mistakes as things you can slowly correct!
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Draw straight lines using your shoulder. Keep wrist still. Make sure you aim to point A to point B with your eyes. Start of with smaller lines first then increase length when you get better. Keep practicing I was once like this and practicing will help you improve!
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x4pcn7
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I can't draw straight lines I tried drawing from my shoulder,resting my wrist and going fast but none of that seems to make my lines go straight what should I do
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imx7ceq
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imxbaul
| 1,662,210,457 | 1,662,212,388 | 4 | 12 |
Draw straight lines using your shoulder. Keep wrist still. Make sure you aim to point A to point B with your eyes. Start of with smaller lines first then increase length when you get better. Keep practicing I was once like this and practicing will help you improve!
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My favorite bit of advice for straight lines was to look at the point you want the line to go, not at the pencil/pen.
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x4pcn7
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artfundamentals_train
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I can't draw straight lines I tried drawing from my shoulder,resting my wrist and going fast but none of that seems to make my lines go straight what should I do
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imx7ceq
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imximok
| 1,662,210,457 | 1,662,215,751 | 4 | 6 |
Draw straight lines using your shoulder. Keep wrist still. Make sure you aim to point A to point B with your eyes. Start of with smaller lines first then increase length when you get better. Keep practicing I was once like this and practicing will help you improve!
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What worked for me: 1. Lock your fingers 2. Lovk your wrist 3. Only move arm and shoulder 4. 👍
| 0 | 5,294 | 1.5 | ||
x4pcn7
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artfundamentals_train
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I can't draw straight lines I tried drawing from my shoulder,resting my wrist and going fast but none of that seems to make my lines go straight what should I do
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imx7ceq
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imzghc1
| 1,662,210,457 | 1,662,244,920 | 4 | 5 |
Draw straight lines using your shoulder. Keep wrist still. Make sure you aim to point A to point B with your eyes. Start of with smaller lines first then increase length when you get better. Keep practicing I was once like this and practicing will help you improve!
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I find it easier focusing on going in a direction rather than thinking of going in a straight line. Just tell yourself I started going this way and I am going to keep going this way. Don't think of angles or point a to b in the beginning just try to get a feel for going straight first.
| 0 | 34,463 | 1.25 | ||
x4pcn7
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artfundamentals_train
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I can't draw straight lines I tried drawing from my shoulder,resting my wrist and going fast but none of that seems to make my lines go straight what should I do
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imx7ceq
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imz5yxe
| 1,662,210,457 | 1,662,240,298 | 4 | 5 |
Draw straight lines using your shoulder. Keep wrist still. Make sure you aim to point A to point B with your eyes. Start of with smaller lines first then increase length when you get better. Keep practicing I was once like this and practicing will help you improve!
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You have to "shut down" your brain. Go blank. I curved a lot until I stopped thinking and only drew lines. I still can't draw straight, but it's getting better. Thinking about drawing straight makes you want to adjust and that makes you overshoot in all directions. Just let your hand move in the general direction, at least at first. You'll get there. It will take a lot of effort, but remember - per aspera ad astrum. Good luck.
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ujlshx
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IS IT OKAY TO DRAW ONLY FOR 30 MIN EVERYDAY? Hey there, new one in the sub here! I always admired art, not only through drawings but through music, computers and nature. Drawing is all my time favorite thing to do (besides gym). Its amazingly peaceful to be just in your own mood and pace. However, I now want to know how to actually draw better. I know it might kill my mood to draw as you have to work hard to become better, but don't worry, I'll make sure to enjoy the journey and still have a loving heart towards drawing. So, coming back to the point.... Well the point is basically the title... Can I still make it if I draw everyday only for 30 min? Maybe I'd increase it to an hour, but I'd really really just would like to place it at 30 min. I've got reading, gym as other hobbies too and I'm preparing for a really competitive exam in my country so that takes up my whole day too. If I am really into drawing and really do want to improve, I might just move it upto an hour but what do you people think? Please let me know... Thanks a lot
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i7kmlkm
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i7l6giy
| 1,651,854,773 | 1,651,863,255 | 12 | 14 |
You will get better pretty fast if you draw thirty minutes a day. I feel that is a lot!!
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Drawing daily, for any amount of time, will always help you improve! Building that habit of drawing *something* every day is the important part here. The only way to get better at drawing is to actually do it, so any amount of time on a daily basis will help. 30 mins a day is a great amount of time for starting out!
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ujlshx
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.88 |
IS IT OKAY TO DRAW ONLY FOR 30 MIN EVERYDAY? Hey there, new one in the sub here! I always admired art, not only through drawings but through music, computers and nature. Drawing is all my time favorite thing to do (besides gym). Its amazingly peaceful to be just in your own mood and pace. However, I now want to know how to actually draw better. I know it might kill my mood to draw as you have to work hard to become better, but don't worry, I'll make sure to enjoy the journey and still have a loving heart towards drawing. So, coming back to the point.... Well the point is basically the title... Can I still make it if I draw everyday only for 30 min? Maybe I'd increase it to an hour, but I'd really really just would like to place it at 30 min. I've got reading, gym as other hobbies too and I'm preparing for a really competitive exam in my country so that takes up my whole day too. If I am really into drawing and really do want to improve, I might just move it upto an hour but what do you people think? Please let me know... Thanks a lot
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i7k6d3i
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i7kmlkm
| 1,651,848,281 | 1,651,854,773 | 6 | 12 |
Forcing yourself to practice more just because of an arbitrary time limit is hardly productive. Draw as much as you feel like every day and you'll progress at your own pace.
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You will get better pretty fast if you draw thirty minutes a day. I feel that is a lot!!
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ujlshx
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.88 |
IS IT OKAY TO DRAW ONLY FOR 30 MIN EVERYDAY? Hey there, new one in the sub here! I always admired art, not only through drawings but through music, computers and nature. Drawing is all my time favorite thing to do (besides gym). Its amazingly peaceful to be just in your own mood and pace. However, I now want to know how to actually draw better. I know it might kill my mood to draw as you have to work hard to become better, but don't worry, I'll make sure to enjoy the journey and still have a loving heart towards drawing. So, coming back to the point.... Well the point is basically the title... Can I still make it if I draw everyday only for 30 min? Maybe I'd increase it to an hour, but I'd really really just would like to place it at 30 min. I've got reading, gym as other hobbies too and I'm preparing for a really competitive exam in my country so that takes up my whole day too. If I am really into drawing and really do want to improve, I might just move it upto an hour but what do you people think? Please let me know... Thanks a lot
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i7kmlkm
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i7ka733
| 1,651,854,773 | 1,651,849,838 | 12 | 6 |
You will get better pretty fast if you draw thirty minutes a day. I feel that is a lot!!
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Its not about how long you're drawing in a session, but how to make it efficient. Big difference between noodling for half an hour and doing studies for half an hour.
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ujlshx
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.88 |
IS IT OKAY TO DRAW ONLY FOR 30 MIN EVERYDAY? Hey there, new one in the sub here! I always admired art, not only through drawings but through music, computers and nature. Drawing is all my time favorite thing to do (besides gym). Its amazingly peaceful to be just in your own mood and pace. However, I now want to know how to actually draw better. I know it might kill my mood to draw as you have to work hard to become better, but don't worry, I'll make sure to enjoy the journey and still have a loving heart towards drawing. So, coming back to the point.... Well the point is basically the title... Can I still make it if I draw everyday only for 30 min? Maybe I'd increase it to an hour, but I'd really really just would like to place it at 30 min. I've got reading, gym as other hobbies too and I'm preparing for a really competitive exam in my country so that takes up my whole day too. If I am really into drawing and really do want to improve, I might just move it upto an hour but what do you people think? Please let me know... Thanks a lot
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i7l6giy
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i7k6d3i
| 1,651,863,255 | 1,651,848,281 | 14 | 6 |
Drawing daily, for any amount of time, will always help you improve! Building that habit of drawing *something* every day is the important part here. The only way to get better at drawing is to actually do it, so any amount of time on a daily basis will help. 30 mins a day is a great amount of time for starting out!
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Forcing yourself to practice more just because of an arbitrary time limit is hardly productive. Draw as much as you feel like every day and you'll progress at your own pace.
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ujlshx
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artfundamentals_train
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IS IT OKAY TO DRAW ONLY FOR 30 MIN EVERYDAY? Hey there, new one in the sub here! I always admired art, not only through drawings but through music, computers and nature. Drawing is all my time favorite thing to do (besides gym). Its amazingly peaceful to be just in your own mood and pace. However, I now want to know how to actually draw better. I know it might kill my mood to draw as you have to work hard to become better, but don't worry, I'll make sure to enjoy the journey and still have a loving heart towards drawing. So, coming back to the point.... Well the point is basically the title... Can I still make it if I draw everyday only for 30 min? Maybe I'd increase it to an hour, but I'd really really just would like to place it at 30 min. I've got reading, gym as other hobbies too and I'm preparing for a really competitive exam in my country so that takes up my whole day too. If I am really into drawing and really do want to improve, I might just move it upto an hour but what do you people think? Please let me know... Thanks a lot
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i7ka733
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i7l6giy
| 1,651,849,838 | 1,651,863,255 | 6 | 14 |
Its not about how long you're drawing in a session, but how to make it efficient. Big difference between noodling for half an hour and doing studies for half an hour.
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Drawing daily, for any amount of time, will always help you improve! Building that habit of drawing *something* every day is the important part here. The only way to get better at drawing is to actually do it, so any amount of time on a daily basis will help. 30 mins a day is a great amount of time for starting out!
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r97kfj
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artfundamentals_train
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What are you guys drawing when you're not doing exercises? (50 percent rule says we shoud be drawing other stuff too) I'm really unsure what I should be drawing the rest of the time. I know things I want to draw but they're very complex to me at the moment and I feel like I'd enjoy it much more if I actually knew what I was doing. I could be tempted to look up how to draw animals and humans but I think those are later lessons in drawabox?
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hnalbrh
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hnaddxr
| 1,638,684,258 | 1,638,679,734 | 13 | 11 |
I draw to express my feelings, usually employing animal subjects to portray human emotions. I also like to draw plants from life, when work is quiet I doodle or do half hearted typography of song lyrics, and do small quick "draw what you see" studies from life. I used to draw a lot of characters, fantasy creatures from mythology and my imagination (speculative evolution is fun) and concepts for comic books but Im afraid I've lost that particular streak at the moment
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I draw fire. Things on fire, Torches, Dragons breathing. Just draw whatever inspired you to learn in the first place and don't worry if it turns out bad.
| 1 | 4,524 | 1.181818 | ||
r97kfj
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artfundamentals_train
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What are you guys drawing when you're not doing exercises? (50 percent rule says we shoud be drawing other stuff too) I'm really unsure what I should be drawing the rest of the time. I know things I want to draw but they're very complex to me at the moment and I feel like I'd enjoy it much more if I actually knew what I was doing. I could be tempted to look up how to draw animals and humans but I think those are later lessons in drawabox?
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hnbeavj
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hnaddxr
| 1,638,706,579 | 1,638,679,734 | 13 | 11 |
Draw whatever comes to mind, even if it is too complex. Be ok with a not so satisfying piece of artwork. You have to realise that your first pieces aren't gonna look too great but it will continue to stay that way if you never actually make a start on that first piece. And to answer your question, I like painting environments and sometimes adding in some characters to bring out the story. Just grab a few references online and draw it.
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I draw fire. Things on fire, Torches, Dragons breathing. Just draw whatever inspired you to learn in the first place and don't worry if it turns out bad.
| 1 | 26,845 | 1.181818 | ||
r97kfj
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artfundamentals_train
| 1 |
What are you guys drawing when you're not doing exercises? (50 percent rule says we shoud be drawing other stuff too) I'm really unsure what I should be drawing the rest of the time. I know things I want to draw but they're very complex to me at the moment and I feel like I'd enjoy it much more if I actually knew what I was doing. I could be tempted to look up how to draw animals and humans but I think those are later lessons in drawabox?
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hnba343
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hnbeavj
| 1,638,703,189 | 1,638,706,579 | 11 | 13 |
I've been trying to learn some figure drawing and stuff that would help me learn to draw characters, since that's ultimately my goal. I know the 50/50 rule is supposed to mean working on stuff strictly for fun, and not necessarily for improvement. But I am very new to drawing, and I've never been good. Just drawing whatever isn't really fun for me because I just get frustrated. But character drawing, or I guess any other lesson material for that matter, I do feel a sense of satisfaction of. And draw a box is great and all, but I think any other drawing course will have you drawing more fun stuff than what I've done with draw a box so far.
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Draw whatever comes to mind, even if it is too complex. Be ok with a not so satisfying piece of artwork. You have to realise that your first pieces aren't gonna look too great but it will continue to stay that way if you never actually make a start on that first piece. And to answer your question, I like painting environments and sometimes adding in some characters to bring out the story. Just grab a few references online and draw it.
| 0 | 3,390 | 1.181818 | ||
r97kfj
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artfundamentals_train
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What are you guys drawing when you're not doing exercises? (50 percent rule says we shoud be drawing other stuff too) I'm really unsure what I should be drawing the rest of the time. I know things I want to draw but they're very complex to me at the moment and I feel like I'd enjoy it much more if I actually knew what I was doing. I could be tempted to look up how to draw animals and humans but I think those are later lessons in drawabox?
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hnb7uul
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hnbeavj
| 1,638,701,362 | 1,638,706,579 | 6 | 13 |
Find some body else’s drawings and copy them. They can be famous artists or not. You can learn a lot from that.
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Draw whatever comes to mind, even if it is too complex. Be ok with a not so satisfying piece of artwork. You have to realise that your first pieces aren't gonna look too great but it will continue to stay that way if you never actually make a start on that first piece. And to answer your question, I like painting environments and sometimes adding in some characters to bring out the story. Just grab a few references online and draw it.
| 0 | 5,217 | 2.166667 | ||
r97kfj
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artfundamentals_train
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What are you guys drawing when you're not doing exercises? (50 percent rule says we shoud be drawing other stuff too) I'm really unsure what I should be drawing the rest of the time. I know things I want to draw but they're very complex to me at the moment and I feel like I'd enjoy it much more if I actually knew what I was doing. I could be tempted to look up how to draw animals and humans but I think those are later lessons in drawabox?
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hnbeavj
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hnb1raf
| 1,638,706,579 | 1,638,696,310 | 13 | 5 |
Draw whatever comes to mind, even if it is too complex. Be ok with a not so satisfying piece of artwork. You have to realise that your first pieces aren't gonna look too great but it will continue to stay that way if you never actually make a start on that first piece. And to answer your question, I like painting environments and sometimes adding in some characters to bring out the story. Just grab a few references online and draw it.
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Birds are a pretty good exercise and relatively easy to draw.
| 1 | 10,269 | 2.6 | ||
r97kfj
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artfundamentals_train
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What are you guys drawing when you're not doing exercises? (50 percent rule says we shoud be drawing other stuff too) I'm really unsure what I should be drawing the rest of the time. I know things I want to draw but they're very complex to me at the moment and I feel like I'd enjoy it much more if I actually knew what I was doing. I could be tempted to look up how to draw animals and humans but I think those are later lessons in drawabox?
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hnb1rvn
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hnbeavj
| 1,638,696,324 | 1,638,706,579 | 6 | 13 |
Just any objects around me that I found difficult to draw, and painting some still life with gouache
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Draw whatever comes to mind, even if it is too complex. Be ok with a not so satisfying piece of artwork. You have to realise that your first pieces aren't gonna look too great but it will continue to stay that way if you never actually make a start on that first piece. And to answer your question, I like painting environments and sometimes adding in some characters to bring out the story. Just grab a few references online and draw it.
| 0 | 10,255 | 2.166667 | ||
r97kfj
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artfundamentals_train
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What are you guys drawing when you're not doing exercises? (50 percent rule says we shoud be drawing other stuff too) I'm really unsure what I should be drawing the rest of the time. I know things I want to draw but they're very complex to me at the moment and I feel like I'd enjoy it much more if I actually knew what I was doing. I could be tempted to look up how to draw animals and humans but I think those are later lessons in drawabox?
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hnb6p1r
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hnbeavj
| 1,638,700,395 | 1,638,706,579 | 5 | 13 |
I save a lot of pictures on Instagram that I find pretty cool and i'll try to draw a few after completing an exercise. Most of them are people because that's what I enjoy drawing the most Easy to do(because I have reference), I like the subjects and brings the most satisfaction with minimal effort(to me) when I'm done👍 I wanna do more fanart of characters from movies and books but I haven't gotten the hang of translating it to a consistent style which I like yet so drawing from life and references is the next best thing..
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Draw whatever comes to mind, even if it is too complex. Be ok with a not so satisfying piece of artwork. You have to realise that your first pieces aren't gonna look too great but it will continue to stay that way if you never actually make a start on that first piece. And to answer your question, I like painting environments and sometimes adding in some characters to bring out the story. Just grab a few references online and draw it.
| 0 | 6,184 | 2.6 | ||
r97kfj
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artfundamentals_train
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What are you guys drawing when you're not doing exercises? (50 percent rule says we shoud be drawing other stuff too) I'm really unsure what I should be drawing the rest of the time. I know things I want to draw but they're very complex to me at the moment and I feel like I'd enjoy it much more if I actually knew what I was doing. I could be tempted to look up how to draw animals and humans but I think those are later lessons in drawabox?
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hnawv5u
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hnbeavj
| 1,638,692,322 | 1,638,706,579 | 5 | 13 |
Something I found helpful is to draw objects, even complex ones, as if I was playing pictionary or skribl.io It takes a lot of the pressure off as the aim is not to draw them well but just good enough for someone to recognise them.
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Draw whatever comes to mind, even if it is too complex. Be ok with a not so satisfying piece of artwork. You have to realise that your first pieces aren't gonna look too great but it will continue to stay that way if you never actually make a start on that first piece. And to answer your question, I like painting environments and sometimes adding in some characters to bring out the story. Just grab a few references online and draw it.
| 0 | 14,257 | 2.6 | ||
r97kfj
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artfundamentals_train
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What are you guys drawing when you're not doing exercises? (50 percent rule says we shoud be drawing other stuff too) I'm really unsure what I should be drawing the rest of the time. I know things I want to draw but they're very complex to me at the moment and I feel like I'd enjoy it much more if I actually knew what I was doing. I could be tempted to look up how to draw animals and humans but I think those are later lessons in drawabox?
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hnbeavj
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hnb0zsy
| 1,638,706,579 | 1,638,695,667 | 13 | 2 |
Draw whatever comes to mind, even if it is too complex. Be ok with a not so satisfying piece of artwork. You have to realise that your first pieces aren't gonna look too great but it will continue to stay that way if you never actually make a start on that first piece. And to answer your question, I like painting environments and sometimes adding in some characters to bring out the story. Just grab a few references online and draw it.
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I'm drawing amogus Seriously, they are simple and positioning them with different props and properties is so fun
| 1 | 10,912 | 6.5 | ||
r97kfj
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artfundamentals_train
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What are you guys drawing when you're not doing exercises? (50 percent rule says we shoud be drawing other stuff too) I'm really unsure what I should be drawing the rest of the time. I know things I want to draw but they're very complex to me at the moment and I feel like I'd enjoy it much more if I actually knew what I was doing. I could be tempted to look up how to draw animals and humans but I think those are later lessons in drawabox?
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hnb7uul
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hnba343
| 1,638,701,362 | 1,638,703,189 | 6 | 11 |
Find some body else’s drawings and copy them. They can be famous artists or not. You can learn a lot from that.
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I've been trying to learn some figure drawing and stuff that would help me learn to draw characters, since that's ultimately my goal. I know the 50/50 rule is supposed to mean working on stuff strictly for fun, and not necessarily for improvement. But I am very new to drawing, and I've never been good. Just drawing whatever isn't really fun for me because I just get frustrated. But character drawing, or I guess any other lesson material for that matter, I do feel a sense of satisfaction of. And draw a box is great and all, but I think any other drawing course will have you drawing more fun stuff than what I've done with draw a box so far.
| 0 | 1,827 | 1.833333 | ||
r97kfj
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artfundamentals_train
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What are you guys drawing when you're not doing exercises? (50 percent rule says we shoud be drawing other stuff too) I'm really unsure what I should be drawing the rest of the time. I know things I want to draw but they're very complex to me at the moment and I feel like I'd enjoy it much more if I actually knew what I was doing. I could be tempted to look up how to draw animals and humans but I think those are later lessons in drawabox?
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hnba343
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hnb1raf
| 1,638,703,189 | 1,638,696,310 | 11 | 5 |
I've been trying to learn some figure drawing and stuff that would help me learn to draw characters, since that's ultimately my goal. I know the 50/50 rule is supposed to mean working on stuff strictly for fun, and not necessarily for improvement. But I am very new to drawing, and I've never been good. Just drawing whatever isn't really fun for me because I just get frustrated. But character drawing, or I guess any other lesson material for that matter, I do feel a sense of satisfaction of. And draw a box is great and all, but I think any other drawing course will have you drawing more fun stuff than what I've done with draw a box so far.
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Birds are a pretty good exercise and relatively easy to draw.
| 1 | 6,879 | 2.2 | ||
r97kfj
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artfundamentals_train
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What are you guys drawing when you're not doing exercises? (50 percent rule says we shoud be drawing other stuff too) I'm really unsure what I should be drawing the rest of the time. I know things I want to draw but they're very complex to me at the moment and I feel like I'd enjoy it much more if I actually knew what I was doing. I could be tempted to look up how to draw animals and humans but I think those are later lessons in drawabox?
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hnba343
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hnb1rvn
| 1,638,703,189 | 1,638,696,324 | 11 | 6 |
I've been trying to learn some figure drawing and stuff that would help me learn to draw characters, since that's ultimately my goal. I know the 50/50 rule is supposed to mean working on stuff strictly for fun, and not necessarily for improvement. But I am very new to drawing, and I've never been good. Just drawing whatever isn't really fun for me because I just get frustrated. But character drawing, or I guess any other lesson material for that matter, I do feel a sense of satisfaction of. And draw a box is great and all, but I think any other drawing course will have you drawing more fun stuff than what I've done with draw a box so far.
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Just any objects around me that I found difficult to draw, and painting some still life with gouache
| 1 | 6,865 | 1.833333 | ||
r97kfj
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artfundamentals_train
| 1 |
What are you guys drawing when you're not doing exercises? (50 percent rule says we shoud be drawing other stuff too) I'm really unsure what I should be drawing the rest of the time. I know things I want to draw but they're very complex to me at the moment and I feel like I'd enjoy it much more if I actually knew what I was doing. I could be tempted to look up how to draw animals and humans but I think those are later lessons in drawabox?
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hnba343
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hnb6p1r
| 1,638,703,189 | 1,638,700,395 | 11 | 5 |
I've been trying to learn some figure drawing and stuff that would help me learn to draw characters, since that's ultimately my goal. I know the 50/50 rule is supposed to mean working on stuff strictly for fun, and not necessarily for improvement. But I am very new to drawing, and I've never been good. Just drawing whatever isn't really fun for me because I just get frustrated. But character drawing, or I guess any other lesson material for that matter, I do feel a sense of satisfaction of. And draw a box is great and all, but I think any other drawing course will have you drawing more fun stuff than what I've done with draw a box so far.
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I save a lot of pictures on Instagram that I find pretty cool and i'll try to draw a few after completing an exercise. Most of them are people because that's what I enjoy drawing the most Easy to do(because I have reference), I like the subjects and brings the most satisfaction with minimal effort(to me) when I'm done👍 I wanna do more fanart of characters from movies and books but I haven't gotten the hang of translating it to a consistent style which I like yet so drawing from life and references is the next best thing..
| 1 | 2,794 | 2.2 | ||
r97kfj
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artfundamentals_train
| 1 |
What are you guys drawing when you're not doing exercises? (50 percent rule says we shoud be drawing other stuff too) I'm really unsure what I should be drawing the rest of the time. I know things I want to draw but they're very complex to me at the moment and I feel like I'd enjoy it much more if I actually knew what I was doing. I could be tempted to look up how to draw animals and humans but I think those are later lessons in drawabox?
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hnba343
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hnawv5u
| 1,638,703,189 | 1,638,692,322 | 11 | 5 |
I've been trying to learn some figure drawing and stuff that would help me learn to draw characters, since that's ultimately my goal. I know the 50/50 rule is supposed to mean working on stuff strictly for fun, and not necessarily for improvement. But I am very new to drawing, and I've never been good. Just drawing whatever isn't really fun for me because I just get frustrated. But character drawing, or I guess any other lesson material for that matter, I do feel a sense of satisfaction of. And draw a box is great and all, but I think any other drawing course will have you drawing more fun stuff than what I've done with draw a box so far.
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Something I found helpful is to draw objects, even complex ones, as if I was playing pictionary or skribl.io It takes a lot of the pressure off as the aim is not to draw them well but just good enough for someone to recognise them.
| 1 | 10,867 | 2.2 | ||
r97kfj
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artfundamentals_train
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What are you guys drawing when you're not doing exercises? (50 percent rule says we shoud be drawing other stuff too) I'm really unsure what I should be drawing the rest of the time. I know things I want to draw but they're very complex to me at the moment and I feel like I'd enjoy it much more if I actually knew what I was doing. I could be tempted to look up how to draw animals and humans but I think those are later lessons in drawabox?
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hnba343
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hnb0zsy
| 1,638,703,189 | 1,638,695,667 | 11 | 2 |
I've been trying to learn some figure drawing and stuff that would help me learn to draw characters, since that's ultimately my goal. I know the 50/50 rule is supposed to mean working on stuff strictly for fun, and not necessarily for improvement. But I am very new to drawing, and I've never been good. Just drawing whatever isn't really fun for me because I just get frustrated. But character drawing, or I guess any other lesson material for that matter, I do feel a sense of satisfaction of. And draw a box is great and all, but I think any other drawing course will have you drawing more fun stuff than what I've done with draw a box so far.
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I'm drawing amogus Seriously, they are simple and positioning them with different props and properties is so fun
| 1 | 7,522 | 5.5 | ||
r97kfj
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artfundamentals_train
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What are you guys drawing when you're not doing exercises? (50 percent rule says we shoud be drawing other stuff too) I'm really unsure what I should be drawing the rest of the time. I know things I want to draw but they're very complex to me at the moment and I feel like I'd enjoy it much more if I actually knew what I was doing. I could be tempted to look up how to draw animals and humans but I think those are later lessons in drawabox?
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hnb7uul
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hnbz0sa
| 1,638,701,362 | 1,638,718,335 | 6 | 9 |
Find some body else’s drawings and copy them. They can be famous artists or not. You can learn a lot from that.
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Depends on your goal. I take myself as example, I aim to be good at concept art illustrations so I need to pair drawabox with another fundamental such as value or color studies, anatomy, portraiture etc. and don't forget to draw random drawing, it may improve your creativity.
| 0 | 16,973 | 1.5 | ||
r97kfj
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artfundamentals_train
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What are you guys drawing when you're not doing exercises? (50 percent rule says we shoud be drawing other stuff too) I'm really unsure what I should be drawing the rest of the time. I know things I want to draw but they're very complex to me at the moment and I feel like I'd enjoy it much more if I actually knew what I was doing. I could be tempted to look up how to draw animals and humans but I think those are later lessons in drawabox?
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hnb1raf
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hnbz0sa
| 1,638,696,310 | 1,638,718,335 | 5 | 9 |
Birds are a pretty good exercise and relatively easy to draw.
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Depends on your goal. I take myself as example, I aim to be good at concept art illustrations so I need to pair drawabox with another fundamental such as value or color studies, anatomy, portraiture etc. and don't forget to draw random drawing, it may improve your creativity.
| 0 | 22,025 | 1.8 | ||
r97kfj
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artfundamentals_train
| 1 |
What are you guys drawing when you're not doing exercises? (50 percent rule says we shoud be drawing other stuff too) I'm really unsure what I should be drawing the rest of the time. I know things I want to draw but they're very complex to me at the moment and I feel like I'd enjoy it much more if I actually knew what I was doing. I could be tempted to look up how to draw animals and humans but I think those are later lessons in drawabox?
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hnbz0sa
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hnb1rvn
| 1,638,718,335 | 1,638,696,324 | 9 | 6 |
Depends on your goal. I take myself as example, I aim to be good at concept art illustrations so I need to pair drawabox with another fundamental such as value or color studies, anatomy, portraiture etc. and don't forget to draw random drawing, it may improve your creativity.
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Just any objects around me that I found difficult to draw, and painting some still life with gouache
| 1 | 22,011 | 1.5 | ||
r97kfj
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artfundamentals_train
| 1 |
What are you guys drawing when you're not doing exercises? (50 percent rule says we shoud be drawing other stuff too) I'm really unsure what I should be drawing the rest of the time. I know things I want to draw but they're very complex to me at the moment and I feel like I'd enjoy it much more if I actually knew what I was doing. I could be tempted to look up how to draw animals and humans but I think those are later lessons in drawabox?
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hnb6p1r
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hnbz0sa
| 1,638,700,395 | 1,638,718,335 | 5 | 9 |
I save a lot of pictures on Instagram that I find pretty cool and i'll try to draw a few after completing an exercise. Most of them are people because that's what I enjoy drawing the most Easy to do(because I have reference), I like the subjects and brings the most satisfaction with minimal effort(to me) when I'm done👍 I wanna do more fanart of characters from movies and books but I haven't gotten the hang of translating it to a consistent style which I like yet so drawing from life and references is the next best thing..
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Depends on your goal. I take myself as example, I aim to be good at concept art illustrations so I need to pair drawabox with another fundamental such as value or color studies, anatomy, portraiture etc. and don't forget to draw random drawing, it may improve your creativity.
| 0 | 17,940 | 1.8 | ||
r97kfj
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artfundamentals_train
| 1 |
What are you guys drawing when you're not doing exercises? (50 percent rule says we shoud be drawing other stuff too) I'm really unsure what I should be drawing the rest of the time. I know things I want to draw but they're very complex to me at the moment and I feel like I'd enjoy it much more if I actually knew what I was doing. I could be tempted to look up how to draw animals and humans but I think those are later lessons in drawabox?
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hnawv5u
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hnbz0sa
| 1,638,692,322 | 1,638,718,335 | 5 | 9 |
Something I found helpful is to draw objects, even complex ones, as if I was playing pictionary or skribl.io It takes a lot of the pressure off as the aim is not to draw them well but just good enough for someone to recognise them.
|
Depends on your goal. I take myself as example, I aim to be good at concept art illustrations so I need to pair drawabox with another fundamental such as value or color studies, anatomy, portraiture etc. and don't forget to draw random drawing, it may improve your creativity.
| 0 | 26,013 | 1.8 | ||
r97kfj
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artfundamentals_train
| 1 |
What are you guys drawing when you're not doing exercises? (50 percent rule says we shoud be drawing other stuff too) I'm really unsure what I should be drawing the rest of the time. I know things I want to draw but they're very complex to me at the moment and I feel like I'd enjoy it much more if I actually knew what I was doing. I could be tempted to look up how to draw animals and humans but I think those are later lessons in drawabox?
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hnb0zsy
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hnbz0sa
| 1,638,695,667 | 1,638,718,335 | 2 | 9 |
I'm drawing amogus Seriously, they are simple and positioning them with different props and properties is so fun
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Depends on your goal. I take myself as example, I aim to be good at concept art illustrations so I need to pair drawabox with another fundamental such as value or color studies, anatomy, portraiture etc. and don't forget to draw random drawing, it may improve your creativity.
| 0 | 22,668 | 4.5 | ||
r97kfj
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artfundamentals_train
| 1 |
What are you guys drawing when you're not doing exercises? (50 percent rule says we shoud be drawing other stuff too) I'm really unsure what I should be drawing the rest of the time. I know things I want to draw but they're very complex to me at the moment and I feel like I'd enjoy it much more if I actually knew what I was doing. I could be tempted to look up how to draw animals and humans but I think those are later lessons in drawabox?
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hnb1raf
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hnb7uul
| 1,638,696,310 | 1,638,701,362 | 5 | 6 |
Birds are a pretty good exercise and relatively easy to draw.
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Find some body else’s drawings and copy them. They can be famous artists or not. You can learn a lot from that.
| 0 | 5,052 | 1.2 | ||
r97kfj
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artfundamentals_train
| 1 |
What are you guys drawing when you're not doing exercises? (50 percent rule says we shoud be drawing other stuff too) I'm really unsure what I should be drawing the rest of the time. I know things I want to draw but they're very complex to me at the moment and I feel like I'd enjoy it much more if I actually knew what I was doing. I could be tempted to look up how to draw animals and humans but I think those are later lessons in drawabox?
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hnb7uul
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hnb6p1r
| 1,638,701,362 | 1,638,700,395 | 6 | 5 |
Find some body else’s drawings and copy them. They can be famous artists or not. You can learn a lot from that.
|
I save a lot of pictures on Instagram that I find pretty cool and i'll try to draw a few after completing an exercise. Most of them are people because that's what I enjoy drawing the most Easy to do(because I have reference), I like the subjects and brings the most satisfaction with minimal effort(to me) when I'm done👍 I wanna do more fanart of characters from movies and books but I haven't gotten the hang of translating it to a consistent style which I like yet so drawing from life and references is the next best thing..
| 1 | 967 | 1.2 | ||
r97kfj
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artfundamentals_train
| 1 |
What are you guys drawing when you're not doing exercises? (50 percent rule says we shoud be drawing other stuff too) I'm really unsure what I should be drawing the rest of the time. I know things I want to draw but they're very complex to me at the moment and I feel like I'd enjoy it much more if I actually knew what I was doing. I could be tempted to look up how to draw animals and humans but I think those are later lessons in drawabox?
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hnawv5u
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hnb7uul
| 1,638,692,322 | 1,638,701,362 | 5 | 6 |
Something I found helpful is to draw objects, even complex ones, as if I was playing pictionary or skribl.io It takes a lot of the pressure off as the aim is not to draw them well but just good enough for someone to recognise them.
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Find some body else’s drawings and copy them. They can be famous artists or not. You can learn a lot from that.
| 0 | 9,040 | 1.2 | ||
r97kfj
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artfundamentals_train
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What are you guys drawing when you're not doing exercises? (50 percent rule says we shoud be drawing other stuff too) I'm really unsure what I should be drawing the rest of the time. I know things I want to draw but they're very complex to me at the moment and I feel like I'd enjoy it much more if I actually knew what I was doing. I could be tempted to look up how to draw animals and humans but I think those are later lessons in drawabox?
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hnb7uul
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hnb0zsy
| 1,638,701,362 | 1,638,695,667 | 6 | 2 |
Find some body else’s drawings and copy them. They can be famous artists or not. You can learn a lot from that.
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I'm drawing amogus Seriously, they are simple and positioning them with different props and properties is so fun
| 1 | 5,695 | 3 | ||
r97kfj
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artfundamentals_train
| 1 |
What are you guys drawing when you're not doing exercises? (50 percent rule says we shoud be drawing other stuff too) I'm really unsure what I should be drawing the rest of the time. I know things I want to draw but they're very complex to me at the moment and I feel like I'd enjoy it much more if I actually knew what I was doing. I could be tempted to look up how to draw animals and humans but I think those are later lessons in drawabox?
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hnb1raf
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hnb1rvn
| 1,638,696,310 | 1,638,696,324 | 5 | 6 |
Birds are a pretty good exercise and relatively easy to draw.
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Just any objects around me that I found difficult to draw, and painting some still life with gouache
| 0 | 14 | 1.2 | ||
r97kfj
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artfundamentals_train
| 1 |
What are you guys drawing when you're not doing exercises? (50 percent rule says we shoud be drawing other stuff too) I'm really unsure what I should be drawing the rest of the time. I know things I want to draw but they're very complex to me at the moment and I feel like I'd enjoy it much more if I actually knew what I was doing. I could be tempted to look up how to draw animals and humans but I think those are later lessons in drawabox?
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hnb0zsy
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hnb1raf
| 1,638,695,667 | 1,638,696,310 | 2 | 5 |
I'm drawing amogus Seriously, they are simple and positioning them with different props and properties is so fun
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Birds are a pretty good exercise and relatively easy to draw.
| 0 | 643 | 2.5 | ||
r97kfj
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artfundamentals_train
| 1 |
What are you guys drawing when you're not doing exercises? (50 percent rule says we shoud be drawing other stuff too) I'm really unsure what I should be drawing the rest of the time. I know things I want to draw but they're very complex to me at the moment and I feel like I'd enjoy it much more if I actually knew what I was doing. I could be tempted to look up how to draw animals and humans but I think those are later lessons in drawabox?
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hnawv5u
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hnb1rvn
| 1,638,692,322 | 1,638,696,324 | 5 | 6 |
Something I found helpful is to draw objects, even complex ones, as if I was playing pictionary or skribl.io It takes a lot of the pressure off as the aim is not to draw them well but just good enough for someone to recognise them.
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Just any objects around me that I found difficult to draw, and painting some still life with gouache
| 0 | 4,002 | 1.2 | ||
r97kfj
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artfundamentals_train
| 1 |
What are you guys drawing when you're not doing exercises? (50 percent rule says we shoud be drawing other stuff too) I'm really unsure what I should be drawing the rest of the time. I know things I want to draw but they're very complex to me at the moment and I feel like I'd enjoy it much more if I actually knew what I was doing. I could be tempted to look up how to draw animals and humans but I think those are later lessons in drawabox?
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hnb1rvn
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hnb0zsy
| 1,638,696,324 | 1,638,695,667 | 6 | 2 |
Just any objects around me that I found difficult to draw, and painting some still life with gouache
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I'm drawing amogus Seriously, they are simple and positioning them with different props and properties is so fun
| 1 | 657 | 3 | ||
r97kfj
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artfundamentals_train
| 1 |
What are you guys drawing when you're not doing exercises? (50 percent rule says we shoud be drawing other stuff too) I'm really unsure what I should be drawing the rest of the time. I know things I want to draw but they're very complex to me at the moment and I feel like I'd enjoy it much more if I actually knew what I was doing. I could be tempted to look up how to draw animals and humans but I think those are later lessons in drawabox?
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hnb6p1r
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hnb0zsy
| 1,638,700,395 | 1,638,695,667 | 5 | 2 |
I save a lot of pictures on Instagram that I find pretty cool and i'll try to draw a few after completing an exercise. Most of them are people because that's what I enjoy drawing the most Easy to do(because I have reference), I like the subjects and brings the most satisfaction with minimal effort(to me) when I'm done👍 I wanna do more fanart of characters from movies and books but I haven't gotten the hang of translating it to a consistent style which I like yet so drawing from life and references is the next best thing..
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I'm drawing amogus Seriously, they are simple and positioning them with different props and properties is so fun
| 1 | 4,728 | 2.5 | ||
r97kfj
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artfundamentals_train
| 1 |
What are you guys drawing when you're not doing exercises? (50 percent rule says we shoud be drawing other stuff too) I'm really unsure what I should be drawing the rest of the time. I know things I want to draw but they're very complex to me at the moment and I feel like I'd enjoy it much more if I actually knew what I was doing. I could be tempted to look up how to draw animals and humans but I think those are later lessons in drawabox?
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hncwu07
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hnf782b
| 1,638,731,701 | 1,638,765,581 | 3 | 4 |
Gesture and figure drawing using poses from quickposes. But a lot of my 50% actually comes from painting, which might be slightly against the rules? Not sure, but I try to stick to the rest of them pretty well.
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I tend to draw either something around me, or more often, my left hand (I'm right handed). I read before that one of the best things to draw is your hand as it's always there (unless something happened...) and it can be posed into almost any shape which can make it always a new challenge.
| 0 | 33,880 | 1.333333 | ||
r97kfj
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artfundamentals_train
| 1 |
What are you guys drawing when you're not doing exercises? (50 percent rule says we shoud be drawing other stuff too) I'm really unsure what I should be drawing the rest of the time. I know things I want to draw but they're very complex to me at the moment and I feel like I'd enjoy it much more if I actually knew what I was doing. I could be tempted to look up how to draw animals and humans but I think those are later lessons in drawabox?
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hndpkpq
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hnf782b
| 1,638,742,129 | 1,638,765,581 | 3 | 4 |
I'm trying to follow DrawABox guidelines and just draw whatever it is that I really want to draw. I'm trying to draw the dreams I had at night, my favorite characters, cool weapons or strange scenes, sometimes I even just draw whatever just so I have something for today's session. I don't mix up other resources yet because I don't think I'll be able to understand them without completing DrawABox first (and trust me, I have tried to do so many times before). After completing it I think I'll make up a study plan that consists of figure drawing, color and light, digital drawing basics etc. on different days of the week as if I were in a school. It is very painful and frustrating, I know, but I always remind myself that it is supposed to be like this. You have to push through that awful beginner phase and the boring basics before getting to the exciting stuff and the fun drawings where you know what you're doing and can just let your imagination flow freely. Your improvement will be very slow but remember that DrawABox is just a step on the way, as difficult it may be. Drawing well requires you to study and internalize a **very** large amount of information as well as hands-on experience (because sometimes your body just doesn't know what your mind already knows) so you need to just assume that everything you do now will be bad anyway, but it will get better as long as you just keep doing it. I'm exactly the same as you and I also do not enjoy, at all, making bad drawings. Not everyone can enjoy it. It's okay. Just do what you have to do regardless of these feelings and slowly but surely all those little points will start to connect on their own. If you ever feel like you don't have anything to draw, remind yourself that you **always do have** something to draw, it's just that subconsciously you're telling yourself that you can't. Which is kinda true, but you still gotta do it. Try to tell yourself that this is only the first iteration of the thing you want to draw and that you will improve it a lot later on. You didn't fail at your drawing and not all is lost, you can always come back to it. I probably wrote a lot more than I should have, but hopefully you find some of what I said to be helpful. Again, I completely understand you and can relate to this a lot. If you want to see my own 50% Rule drawing folder send me a private message and I'll show you! :D
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I tend to draw either something around me, or more often, my left hand (I'm right handed). I read before that one of the best things to draw is your hand as it's always there (unless something happened...) and it can be posed into almost any shape which can make it always a new challenge.
| 0 | 23,452 | 1.333333 | ||
r97kfj
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artfundamentals_train
| 1 |
What are you guys drawing when you're not doing exercises? (50 percent rule says we shoud be drawing other stuff too) I'm really unsure what I should be drawing the rest of the time. I know things I want to draw but they're very complex to me at the moment and I feel like I'd enjoy it much more if I actually knew what I was doing. I could be tempted to look up how to draw animals and humans but I think those are later lessons in drawabox?
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hnb0zsy
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hnf782b
| 1,638,695,667 | 1,638,765,581 | 2 | 4 |
I'm drawing amogus Seriously, they are simple and positioning them with different props and properties is so fun
|
I tend to draw either something around me, or more often, my left hand (I'm right handed). I read before that one of the best things to draw is your hand as it's always there (unless something happened...) and it can be posed into almost any shape which can make it always a new challenge.
| 0 | 69,914 | 2 | ||
r97kfj
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artfundamentals_train
| 1 |
What are you guys drawing when you're not doing exercises? (50 percent rule says we shoud be drawing other stuff too) I'm really unsure what I should be drawing the rest of the time. I know things I want to draw but they're very complex to me at the moment and I feel like I'd enjoy it much more if I actually knew what I was doing. I could be tempted to look up how to draw animals and humans but I think those are later lessons in drawabox?
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hnb0zsy
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hncwu07
| 1,638,695,667 | 1,638,731,701 | 2 | 3 |
I'm drawing amogus Seriously, they are simple and positioning them with different props and properties is so fun
|
Gesture and figure drawing using poses from quickposes. But a lot of my 50% actually comes from painting, which might be slightly against the rules? Not sure, but I try to stick to the rest of them pretty well.
| 0 | 36,034 | 1.5 | ||
r97kfj
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artfundamentals_train
| 1 |
What are you guys drawing when you're not doing exercises? (50 percent rule says we shoud be drawing other stuff too) I'm really unsure what I should be drawing the rest of the time. I know things I want to draw but they're very complex to me at the moment and I feel like I'd enjoy it much more if I actually knew what I was doing. I could be tempted to look up how to draw animals and humans but I think those are later lessons in drawabox?
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hndpkpq
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hnb0zsy
| 1,638,742,129 | 1,638,695,667 | 3 | 2 |
I'm trying to follow DrawABox guidelines and just draw whatever it is that I really want to draw. I'm trying to draw the dreams I had at night, my favorite characters, cool weapons or strange scenes, sometimes I even just draw whatever just so I have something for today's session. I don't mix up other resources yet because I don't think I'll be able to understand them without completing DrawABox first (and trust me, I have tried to do so many times before). After completing it I think I'll make up a study plan that consists of figure drawing, color and light, digital drawing basics etc. on different days of the week as if I were in a school. It is very painful and frustrating, I know, but I always remind myself that it is supposed to be like this. You have to push through that awful beginner phase and the boring basics before getting to the exciting stuff and the fun drawings where you know what you're doing and can just let your imagination flow freely. Your improvement will be very slow but remember that DrawABox is just a step on the way, as difficult it may be. Drawing well requires you to study and internalize a **very** large amount of information as well as hands-on experience (because sometimes your body just doesn't know what your mind already knows) so you need to just assume that everything you do now will be bad anyway, but it will get better as long as you just keep doing it. I'm exactly the same as you and I also do not enjoy, at all, making bad drawings. Not everyone can enjoy it. It's okay. Just do what you have to do regardless of these feelings and slowly but surely all those little points will start to connect on their own. If you ever feel like you don't have anything to draw, remind yourself that you **always do have** something to draw, it's just that subconsciously you're telling yourself that you can't. Which is kinda true, but you still gotta do it. Try to tell yourself that this is only the first iteration of the thing you want to draw and that you will improve it a lot later on. You didn't fail at your drawing and not all is lost, you can always come back to it. I probably wrote a lot more than I should have, but hopefully you find some of what I said to be helpful. Again, I completely understand you and can relate to this a lot. If you want to see my own 50% Rule drawing folder send me a private message and I'll show you! :D
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I'm drawing amogus Seriously, they are simple and positioning them with different props and properties is so fun
| 1 | 46,462 | 1.5 | ||
w7xcly
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.93 |
do u guys have notebooks that you write down what you learn or do you always just have sketchbooks with your progress do u guys write down what you learn too? cuz i've only been drawing and trying to not forget anything haha
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ihp9khy
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ihp2gr9
| 1,658,834,660 | 1,658,829,618 | 3 | 2 |
I have a simple blank notebook for notes, a sketchbook and tablet for drawings (I do both traditional and digital with my 50% rule), and a ring binder with plastic sleeves for my DrawABox exercises.
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Have two walls covered pin board tiles. Picking something at random from it for my warm-ups. Even with the uglier results this still looks cool
| 1 | 5,042 | 1.5 | ||
w7xcly
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.93 |
do u guys have notebooks that you write down what you learn or do you always just have sketchbooks with your progress do u guys write down what you learn too? cuz i've only been drawing and trying to not forget anything haha
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ihmcnq0
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ihp9khy
| 1,658,778,823 | 1,658,834,660 | 1 | 3 |
I just use printer paper first so when i use a sketch book it wont be as bad than the printer paper
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I have a simple blank notebook for notes, a sketchbook and tablet for drawings (I do both traditional and digital with my 50% rule), and a ring binder with plastic sleeves for my DrawABox exercises.
| 0 | 55,837 | 3 | ||
w7xcly
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.93 |
do u guys have notebooks that you write down what you learn or do you always just have sketchbooks with your progress do u guys write down what you learn too? cuz i've only been drawing and trying to not forget anything haha
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ihmfunj
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ihp9khy
| 1,658,780,029 | 1,658,834,660 | 1 | 3 |
I do, mainly for Lesson 0 and theory here and there since I don't have good memory. Putting titles and dates on the notes as well as the drawings helps me not get them mixed up.
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I have a simple blank notebook for notes, a sketchbook and tablet for drawings (I do both traditional and digital with my 50% rule), and a ring binder with plastic sleeves for my DrawABox exercises.
| 0 | 54,631 | 3 | ||
w7xcly
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.93 |
do u guys have notebooks that you write down what you learn or do you always just have sketchbooks with your progress do u guys write down what you learn too? cuz i've only been drawing and trying to not forget anything haha
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ihp9khy
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ihovm5j
| 1,658,834,660 | 1,658,824,051 | 3 | 1 |
I have a simple blank notebook for notes, a sketchbook and tablet for drawings (I do both traditional and digital with my 50% rule), and a ring binder with plastic sleeves for my DrawABox exercises.
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i dont know i draw digitally so i can just make a folder with all my art of a certain category.
| 1 | 10,609 | 3 | ||
w7xcly
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.93 |
do u guys have notebooks that you write down what you learn or do you always just have sketchbooks with your progress do u guys write down what you learn too? cuz i've only been drawing and trying to not forget anything haha
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ihp2gr9
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ihmcnq0
| 1,658,829,618 | 1,658,778,823 | 2 | 1 |
Have two walls covered pin board tiles. Picking something at random from it for my warm-ups. Even with the uglier results this still looks cool
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I just use printer paper first so when i use a sketch book it wont be as bad than the printer paper
| 1 | 50,795 | 2 | ||
w7xcly
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.93 |
do u guys have notebooks that you write down what you learn or do you always just have sketchbooks with your progress do u guys write down what you learn too? cuz i've only been drawing and trying to not forget anything haha
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ihmfunj
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ihp2gr9
| 1,658,780,029 | 1,658,829,618 | 1 | 2 |
I do, mainly for Lesson 0 and theory here and there since I don't have good memory. Putting titles and dates on the notes as well as the drawings helps me not get them mixed up.
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Have two walls covered pin board tiles. Picking something at random from it for my warm-ups. Even with the uglier results this still looks cool
| 0 | 49,589 | 2 | ||
w7xcly
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.93 |
do u guys have notebooks that you write down what you learn or do you always just have sketchbooks with your progress do u guys write down what you learn too? cuz i've only been drawing and trying to not forget anything haha
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ihovm5j
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ihp2gr9
| 1,658,824,051 | 1,658,829,618 | 1 | 2 |
i dont know i draw digitally so i can just make a folder with all my art of a certain category.
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Have two walls covered pin board tiles. Picking something at random from it for my warm-ups. Even with the uglier results this still looks cool
| 0 | 5,567 | 2 | ||
iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g380cau
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g36yqhq
| 1,598,687,646 | 1,598,660,733 | 24 | 1 |
I have done the course with traditional media first and then did it again digitally to get used to a new tablet/program. You can use this course as you like. No one is stopping you, and even digitally, this course is great practice. What you have to have in mind is, that the skill you get by practicing can translate between mediums. That's why I would recommend using traditional first. In traditional, you have no safety nets, no help so to say. If you do it with a fineliner or ballpoint pen, you can't even go back a step. If you learn to draw in that environment, you learn to draw in every environment. In Digital, you could "recreate" that experience, but at least to me, a piece that is drawn on a piece of paper with a non erasable pen has a flair to it, that digital work can't emulate. And it certainly gives confidence, when you know that you don't need all that fancy stuff of digital. But, even if I like traditional, I use digital too. I just think, that the raw experience of traditional is a much better learning environment than digital. Edit: Also digital media can have its own problems for beginners. To get something into muscle memory, you usually practice by doing the thing you are supposed to do slower then usual to learn to do it right and in one motion. Digital tablets usually don't have the resistance that pen and paper have. In other words, the tablet is often slippery. It can be much harder to learn the basics that this course Reyes to get across on a digital tablet. Or with a beautiful analogy, if you want to learn to walk, you would do it on the normal ground, not on a frozen lake.
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Oh dear, this thread looks like it's getting a little out of hand, so I figure I should step in and clarify a few points and misconceptions. **Are fineliners a hard requirement?** Given that the lesson content is entirely free, it's kind of difficult to make something a "hard" requirement, in that I can't exactly show up at your door and berate you for doing things differently than they way they're prescribed. These lessons exist, and you're welcome to do with them as you wish. That also means that there are a lot of people out there who are making use of elements of the course material, but whom I wouldn't necessarily label as students of the course. After all, if you're not going through it as instructed, then there's only so much of the results that can be attributed to the resource, for better or for worse. So keep that in mind, especially asking peoples' opinions on whether or not the course is worthwhile, or when giving your own, and always provide appropriate caveats to give a full picture of your experiences. Stepping back to the question of tools, the only situation in which it is indeed firmly **required** is when you're seeking the 'official' critiques. That is, the paid option for getting feedback from me and my teaching assistants. As explained in the instructions, the choice of tools is based on what will allow a student to get the most out of the lessons. As the course itself is focused on making material accessible, we simply ask that if you're going to take advantage of that low-cost avenue for feedback, that you should already be going out of your way to make the most of the material. Otherwise, **especially** when it comes to digital work, with the tendency towards rushing and impatience it appears to encourage (based on empirical evidence, as I did once upon a time critique digital work), it would demand even more of our time, thus either limiting the number of students we could work with, or increasing prices. With the official critiques aside, the fact that the recommended tools are indeed the best way to nurture the habits and mindset encouraged by the course as a whole still marks it as an ideal choice. That doesn't mean you won't get anything out of other tools, and doing it in crayon on a napkin is still better than not doing it at all. There is however another point to consider - a lot of students approach the lessons very firm on what they are and aren't willing to do, and that rigidity tends to foreshadow issues down the line. Ballpoint pens are pretty common, for instance, and even for paid critiques students are allowed to use them through the first lesson and the 250 box challenge that follows. If however a student is dead-set on using their expensive display tablet however, despite likely having fairly easy access to even that minimum requirement, then how likely is that student to be willing to invest the time and conscious effort required to get through something as tedious and frustrating as the 250 box challenge? We all have the ways in which we'd like to be able to learn. Many of us would *love* to be able to just draw the things we enjoy, for example, and improve from that (which to be fair *absolutely* works, albeit more gradually). But coming back to the main reason for the recommendation/requirement of certain tools over others, we need to encourage a willingness to do the things that aren't necessarily our favourite way. To consciously eschew the path of least resistance, in favour of scaling a vertical cliff. But again, if you're absolute in your resolve not to follow those recommendations, no one's going to stop you. No one's going to attack you in the night for your choices. **But people are sometimes mean to me when I try and get feedback on my digital work, or my work done in pencil** Drawabox is dogmatic in its very nature, there's no covering that up, and that can cause some people to get a really big head. That feeling of "well I'm doing it the right way, and therefore I'm superior to those who choose not to" can give a serious rush, and can drive someone to frankly be a dick in a public space. I assure you that they are merely compensating for their own inadequacies, and in all likelihood, their understanding is shallow at best. I try to discourage that sort of thing, but this is a vast community, and it is a difficult thing to police. That said, always remember that we are not entitled to the time of others. So if we choose to do the work in pencil, or digitally, or.. in crayon.. others may take that as a sign that you were following the path that suited you best, rather than the path that might yield better work and understanding, and in turn reducing how much effort would actually have to go into giving you feedback. Actively showing the steps you've taken (between using the 'right' tools, clearly taking the time to read the instructions thoroughly, and so on) will generally make others respond more eagerly. Again, that feedback isn't ever guaranteed, but showing that you're open to these kinds of things helps a great deal. So remember that if someone's actively berating you for your choice, they are most definitely in the wrong. But if they are simply choosing not to engage with you, then that is entirely their right. **Can't I just turn off undo and not use an eraser?** I addressed this in the article - that's not really what it's about. I actually don't care about undoing or erasing in practice, I do it all the time. The issue is that digital tools bring with them a greater sense of impatience and eagerness that often (again, based on my own empirical evidence from doing many critiques of this sort in the past) tends to cause people to rush, to be less mindful in their approach, and to generally have far less respect for their linework. Now, I know for a fact that despite saying this here, in the article's first paragraph, and everywhere else I've addressed the matter, people will still miss this very important point. Still, I'll mention it again: **it's not about undoing and erasing**. If you disagree, you're welcome to do so. **Why is Drawabox so strict?** There are a lot of.. let's call them "firm recommendations" made throughout the course, and early on I pretty clearly state that you should do your best to follow all the instructions to the letter. For some people this goes against the fluid, experimental and explorative nature of art, but I am not teaching you how to "art". The course's purpose is to teach you a concrete skill, and to do so it relies on a lot of specific tools and approaches whose value will not be immediately obvious. For some people that is a problem, as they feel compelled to understand how things work first. Unfortunately, no explanation will work, because that understanding develops by doing the work, by investing the time, and by applying those same instructions. Those who've made it all the way through (you can talk to them on the Discord server) tend to be far better positioned to understand why they were told to do certain ways, and they're also better positioned to see where certain things may not have been the best choice. After all, I'm not at all saying that my approach is perfect or even close to it. If it was, I wouldn't be continually updating and improving things as I get more data by critiquing student work. At that stage, at the end of this leg of their journey, they tend to understand better where they can bend and break the rules, where they can throw entire chunks away in favour of another instructor's teaching, and what is worth keeping above all else. Without the experience and understanding they've developed, however, one can't really know what is and isn't valuable. **So if I can't get my hands on a fineliner, am I screwed?** No. If you can't get your hands on a fineliner, see if you can grab a ballpoint pen, as those are usually fairly common and cheap. If that's not an option for whatever reason - the pandemic has hit everyone rather hard, after all - then ideally still try and find something with which to do the work traditionally. A pencil, for example. And if that's not an option either, there will at least be something to gain when doing the work digitally, though it is critical that you reflect often on how exactly you're attempting to apply the material, to watch out for the tendency to rush, or to skip things. Since this has gotten rather lengthy, and I've got work to get to, you'll have to forgive me for not proofreading this post. I'm sure it's fraught with run-on sentences, typos, and other nonsense.
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The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g373dhe
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Oh dear, this thread looks like it's getting a little out of hand, so I figure I should step in and clarify a few points and misconceptions. **Are fineliners a hard requirement?** Given that the lesson content is entirely free, it's kind of difficult to make something a "hard" requirement, in that I can't exactly show up at your door and berate you for doing things differently than they way they're prescribed. These lessons exist, and you're welcome to do with them as you wish. That also means that there are a lot of people out there who are making use of elements of the course material, but whom I wouldn't necessarily label as students of the course. After all, if you're not going through it as instructed, then there's only so much of the results that can be attributed to the resource, for better or for worse. So keep that in mind, especially asking peoples' opinions on whether or not the course is worthwhile, or when giving your own, and always provide appropriate caveats to give a full picture of your experiences. Stepping back to the question of tools, the only situation in which it is indeed firmly **required** is when you're seeking the 'official' critiques. That is, the paid option for getting feedback from me and my teaching assistants. As explained in the instructions, the choice of tools is based on what will allow a student to get the most out of the lessons. As the course itself is focused on making material accessible, we simply ask that if you're going to take advantage of that low-cost avenue for feedback, that you should already be going out of your way to make the most of the material. Otherwise, **especially** when it comes to digital work, with the tendency towards rushing and impatience it appears to encourage (based on empirical evidence, as I did once upon a time critique digital work), it would demand even more of our time, thus either limiting the number of students we could work with, or increasing prices. With the official critiques aside, the fact that the recommended tools are indeed the best way to nurture the habits and mindset encouraged by the course as a whole still marks it as an ideal choice. That doesn't mean you won't get anything out of other tools, and doing it in crayon on a napkin is still better than not doing it at all. There is however another point to consider - a lot of students approach the lessons very firm on what they are and aren't willing to do, and that rigidity tends to foreshadow issues down the line. Ballpoint pens are pretty common, for instance, and even for paid critiques students are allowed to use them through the first lesson and the 250 box challenge that follows. If however a student is dead-set on using their expensive display tablet however, despite likely having fairly easy access to even that minimum requirement, then how likely is that student to be willing to invest the time and conscious effort required to get through something as tedious and frustrating as the 250 box challenge? We all have the ways in which we'd like to be able to learn. Many of us would *love* to be able to just draw the things we enjoy, for example, and improve from that (which to be fair *absolutely* works, albeit more gradually). But coming back to the main reason for the recommendation/requirement of certain tools over others, we need to encourage a willingness to do the things that aren't necessarily our favourite way. To consciously eschew the path of least resistance, in favour of scaling a vertical cliff. But again, if you're absolute in your resolve not to follow those recommendations, no one's going to stop you. No one's going to attack you in the night for your choices. **But people are sometimes mean to me when I try and get feedback on my digital work, or my work done in pencil** Drawabox is dogmatic in its very nature, there's no covering that up, and that can cause some people to get a really big head. That feeling of "well I'm doing it the right way, and therefore I'm superior to those who choose not to" can give a serious rush, and can drive someone to frankly be a dick in a public space. I assure you that they are merely compensating for their own inadequacies, and in all likelihood, their understanding is shallow at best. I try to discourage that sort of thing, but this is a vast community, and it is a difficult thing to police. That said, always remember that we are not entitled to the time of others. So if we choose to do the work in pencil, or digitally, or.. in crayon.. others may take that as a sign that you were following the path that suited you best, rather than the path that might yield better work and understanding, and in turn reducing how much effort would actually have to go into giving you feedback. Actively showing the steps you've taken (between using the 'right' tools, clearly taking the time to read the instructions thoroughly, and so on) will generally make others respond more eagerly. Again, that feedback isn't ever guaranteed, but showing that you're open to these kinds of things helps a great deal. So remember that if someone's actively berating you for your choice, they are most definitely in the wrong. But if they are simply choosing not to engage with you, then that is entirely their right. **Can't I just turn off undo and not use an eraser?** I addressed this in the article - that's not really what it's about. I actually don't care about undoing or erasing in practice, I do it all the time. The issue is that digital tools bring with them a greater sense of impatience and eagerness that often (again, based on my own empirical evidence from doing many critiques of this sort in the past) tends to cause people to rush, to be less mindful in their approach, and to generally have far less respect for their linework. Now, I know for a fact that despite saying this here, in the article's first paragraph, and everywhere else I've addressed the matter, people will still miss this very important point. Still, I'll mention it again: **it's not about undoing and erasing**. If you disagree, you're welcome to do so. **Why is Drawabox so strict?** There are a lot of.. let's call them "firm recommendations" made throughout the course, and early on I pretty clearly state that you should do your best to follow all the instructions to the letter. For some people this goes against the fluid, experimental and explorative nature of art, but I am not teaching you how to "art". The course's purpose is to teach you a concrete skill, and to do so it relies on a lot of specific tools and approaches whose value will not be immediately obvious. For some people that is a problem, as they feel compelled to understand how things work first. Unfortunately, no explanation will work, because that understanding develops by doing the work, by investing the time, and by applying those same instructions. Those who've made it all the way through (you can talk to them on the Discord server) tend to be far better positioned to understand why they were told to do certain ways, and they're also better positioned to see where certain things may not have been the best choice. After all, I'm not at all saying that my approach is perfect or even close to it. If it was, I wouldn't be continually updating and improving things as I get more data by critiquing student work. At that stage, at the end of this leg of their journey, they tend to understand better where they can bend and break the rules, where they can throw entire chunks away in favour of another instructor's teaching, and what is worth keeping above all else. Without the experience and understanding they've developed, however, one can't really know what is and isn't valuable. **So if I can't get my hands on a fineliner, am I screwed?** No. If you can't get your hands on a fineliner, see if you can grab a ballpoint pen, as those are usually fairly common and cheap. If that's not an option for whatever reason - the pandemic has hit everyone rather hard, after all - then ideally still try and find something with which to do the work traditionally. A pencil, for example. And if that's not an option either, there will at least be something to gain when doing the work digitally, though it is critical that you reflect often on how exactly you're attempting to apply the material, to watch out for the tendency to rush, or to skip things. Since this has gotten rather lengthy, and I've got work to get to, you'll have to forgive me for not proofreading this post. I'm sure it's fraught with run-on sentences, typos, and other nonsense.
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Hey man, it’s art. Do what makes you feel good.
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iibqat
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The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g37cjyu
| 1,598,660,733 | 1,598,669,020 | 1 | 17 |
Oh dear, this thread looks like it's getting a little out of hand, so I figure I should step in and clarify a few points and misconceptions. **Are fineliners a hard requirement?** Given that the lesson content is entirely free, it's kind of difficult to make something a "hard" requirement, in that I can't exactly show up at your door and berate you for doing things differently than they way they're prescribed. These lessons exist, and you're welcome to do with them as you wish. That also means that there are a lot of people out there who are making use of elements of the course material, but whom I wouldn't necessarily label as students of the course. After all, if you're not going through it as instructed, then there's only so much of the results that can be attributed to the resource, for better or for worse. So keep that in mind, especially asking peoples' opinions on whether or not the course is worthwhile, or when giving your own, and always provide appropriate caveats to give a full picture of your experiences. Stepping back to the question of tools, the only situation in which it is indeed firmly **required** is when you're seeking the 'official' critiques. That is, the paid option for getting feedback from me and my teaching assistants. As explained in the instructions, the choice of tools is based on what will allow a student to get the most out of the lessons. As the course itself is focused on making material accessible, we simply ask that if you're going to take advantage of that low-cost avenue for feedback, that you should already be going out of your way to make the most of the material. Otherwise, **especially** when it comes to digital work, with the tendency towards rushing and impatience it appears to encourage (based on empirical evidence, as I did once upon a time critique digital work), it would demand even more of our time, thus either limiting the number of students we could work with, or increasing prices. With the official critiques aside, the fact that the recommended tools are indeed the best way to nurture the habits and mindset encouraged by the course as a whole still marks it as an ideal choice. That doesn't mean you won't get anything out of other tools, and doing it in crayon on a napkin is still better than not doing it at all. There is however another point to consider - a lot of students approach the lessons very firm on what they are and aren't willing to do, and that rigidity tends to foreshadow issues down the line. Ballpoint pens are pretty common, for instance, and even for paid critiques students are allowed to use them through the first lesson and the 250 box challenge that follows. If however a student is dead-set on using their expensive display tablet however, despite likely having fairly easy access to even that minimum requirement, then how likely is that student to be willing to invest the time and conscious effort required to get through something as tedious and frustrating as the 250 box challenge? We all have the ways in which we'd like to be able to learn. Many of us would *love* to be able to just draw the things we enjoy, for example, and improve from that (which to be fair *absolutely* works, albeit more gradually). But coming back to the main reason for the recommendation/requirement of certain tools over others, we need to encourage a willingness to do the things that aren't necessarily our favourite way. To consciously eschew the path of least resistance, in favour of scaling a vertical cliff. But again, if you're absolute in your resolve not to follow those recommendations, no one's going to stop you. No one's going to attack you in the night for your choices. **But people are sometimes mean to me when I try and get feedback on my digital work, or my work done in pencil** Drawabox is dogmatic in its very nature, there's no covering that up, and that can cause some people to get a really big head. That feeling of "well I'm doing it the right way, and therefore I'm superior to those who choose not to" can give a serious rush, and can drive someone to frankly be a dick in a public space. I assure you that they are merely compensating for their own inadequacies, and in all likelihood, their understanding is shallow at best. I try to discourage that sort of thing, but this is a vast community, and it is a difficult thing to police. That said, always remember that we are not entitled to the time of others. So if we choose to do the work in pencil, or digitally, or.. in crayon.. others may take that as a sign that you were following the path that suited you best, rather than the path that might yield better work and understanding, and in turn reducing how much effort would actually have to go into giving you feedback. Actively showing the steps you've taken (between using the 'right' tools, clearly taking the time to read the instructions thoroughly, and so on) will generally make others respond more eagerly. Again, that feedback isn't ever guaranteed, but showing that you're open to these kinds of things helps a great deal. So remember that if someone's actively berating you for your choice, they are most definitely in the wrong. But if they are simply choosing not to engage with you, then that is entirely their right. **Can't I just turn off undo and not use an eraser?** I addressed this in the article - that's not really what it's about. I actually don't care about undoing or erasing in practice, I do it all the time. The issue is that digital tools bring with them a greater sense of impatience and eagerness that often (again, based on my own empirical evidence from doing many critiques of this sort in the past) tends to cause people to rush, to be less mindful in their approach, and to generally have far less respect for their linework. Now, I know for a fact that despite saying this here, in the article's first paragraph, and everywhere else I've addressed the matter, people will still miss this very important point. Still, I'll mention it again: **it's not about undoing and erasing**. If you disagree, you're welcome to do so. **Why is Drawabox so strict?** There are a lot of.. let's call them "firm recommendations" made throughout the course, and early on I pretty clearly state that you should do your best to follow all the instructions to the letter. For some people this goes against the fluid, experimental and explorative nature of art, but I am not teaching you how to "art". The course's purpose is to teach you a concrete skill, and to do so it relies on a lot of specific tools and approaches whose value will not be immediately obvious. For some people that is a problem, as they feel compelled to understand how things work first. Unfortunately, no explanation will work, because that understanding develops by doing the work, by investing the time, and by applying those same instructions. Those who've made it all the way through (you can talk to them on the Discord server) tend to be far better positioned to understand why they were told to do certain ways, and they're also better positioned to see where certain things may not have been the best choice. After all, I'm not at all saying that my approach is perfect or even close to it. If it was, I wouldn't be continually updating and improving things as I get more data by critiquing student work. At that stage, at the end of this leg of their journey, they tend to understand better where they can bend and break the rules, where they can throw entire chunks away in favour of another instructor's teaching, and what is worth keeping above all else. Without the experience and understanding they've developed, however, one can't really know what is and isn't valuable. **So if I can't get my hands on a fineliner, am I screwed?** No. If you can't get your hands on a fineliner, see if you can grab a ballpoint pen, as those are usually fairly common and cheap. If that's not an option for whatever reason - the pandemic has hit everyone rather hard, after all - then ideally still try and find something with which to do the work traditionally. A pencil, for example. And if that's not an option either, there will at least be something to gain when doing the work digitally, though it is critical that you reflect often on how exactly you're attempting to apply the material, to watch out for the tendency to rush, or to skip things. Since this has gotten rather lengthy, and I've got work to get to, you'll have to forgive me for not proofreading this post. I'm sure it's fraught with run-on sentences, typos, and other nonsense.
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Oh honestly op I think the most serious reason to do physical ink first is because digital inking can experience lag, drift, and sometimes the tip of the digital pen is different from where the pixels show up slightly and you need to learn (naturally) how to correct for that. Or to look to see if there is a gap between cursor and tip. Doing actual ink gives you a sense of how to better fine tune your digital settings to make them realistic and to ensure your digital pen pressure and sensitivity is up to snuff. Otherwise do whatever.
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The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g36yqhq
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its kinda like math teachers telling us we won't always have calculators lol. I mean if you want the muscle memory for the fundamentals, then do the boot camp so to speak.. if you want the muscle memory for the certain style you have already chosen then keep doing that. Think of it like this, if you're shipping off to war, taking advice from the world war 2 vet could be hugely beneficial, but if the war you're going to be shipped off to is on space ships then maybe you better be familiar with the tech. digital is the modern industry standard. If you plan to do that then do that.. ctrl z that line until its perfect, don't like it later? transform it, using the tools available to you isn't cheating.. At the end of the day it is art.. the only thing you gotta do is you.. and how you got there isn't really important once you're there.
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Oh dear, this thread looks like it's getting a little out of hand, so I figure I should step in and clarify a few points and misconceptions. **Are fineliners a hard requirement?** Given that the lesson content is entirely free, it's kind of difficult to make something a "hard" requirement, in that I can't exactly show up at your door and berate you for doing things differently than they way they're prescribed. These lessons exist, and you're welcome to do with them as you wish. That also means that there are a lot of people out there who are making use of elements of the course material, but whom I wouldn't necessarily label as students of the course. After all, if you're not going through it as instructed, then there's only so much of the results that can be attributed to the resource, for better or for worse. So keep that in mind, especially asking peoples' opinions on whether or not the course is worthwhile, or when giving your own, and always provide appropriate caveats to give a full picture of your experiences. Stepping back to the question of tools, the only situation in which it is indeed firmly **required** is when you're seeking the 'official' critiques. That is, the paid option for getting feedback from me and my teaching assistants. As explained in the instructions, the choice of tools is based on what will allow a student to get the most out of the lessons. As the course itself is focused on making material accessible, we simply ask that if you're going to take advantage of that low-cost avenue for feedback, that you should already be going out of your way to make the most of the material. Otherwise, **especially** when it comes to digital work, with the tendency towards rushing and impatience it appears to encourage (based on empirical evidence, as I did once upon a time critique digital work), it would demand even more of our time, thus either limiting the number of students we could work with, or increasing prices. With the official critiques aside, the fact that the recommended tools are indeed the best way to nurture the habits and mindset encouraged by the course as a whole still marks it as an ideal choice. That doesn't mean you won't get anything out of other tools, and doing it in crayon on a napkin is still better than not doing it at all. There is however another point to consider - a lot of students approach the lessons very firm on what they are and aren't willing to do, and that rigidity tends to foreshadow issues down the line. Ballpoint pens are pretty common, for instance, and even for paid critiques students are allowed to use them through the first lesson and the 250 box challenge that follows. If however a student is dead-set on using their expensive display tablet however, despite likely having fairly easy access to even that minimum requirement, then how likely is that student to be willing to invest the time and conscious effort required to get through something as tedious and frustrating as the 250 box challenge? We all have the ways in which we'd like to be able to learn. Many of us would *love* to be able to just draw the things we enjoy, for example, and improve from that (which to be fair *absolutely* works, albeit more gradually). But coming back to the main reason for the recommendation/requirement of certain tools over others, we need to encourage a willingness to do the things that aren't necessarily our favourite way. To consciously eschew the path of least resistance, in favour of scaling a vertical cliff. But again, if you're absolute in your resolve not to follow those recommendations, no one's going to stop you. No one's going to attack you in the night for your choices. **But people are sometimes mean to me when I try and get feedback on my digital work, or my work done in pencil** Drawabox is dogmatic in its very nature, there's no covering that up, and that can cause some people to get a really big head. That feeling of "well I'm doing it the right way, and therefore I'm superior to those who choose not to" can give a serious rush, and can drive someone to frankly be a dick in a public space. I assure you that they are merely compensating for their own inadequacies, and in all likelihood, their understanding is shallow at best. I try to discourage that sort of thing, but this is a vast community, and it is a difficult thing to police. That said, always remember that we are not entitled to the time of others. So if we choose to do the work in pencil, or digitally, or.. in crayon.. others may take that as a sign that you were following the path that suited you best, rather than the path that might yield better work and understanding, and in turn reducing how much effort would actually have to go into giving you feedback. Actively showing the steps you've taken (between using the 'right' tools, clearly taking the time to read the instructions thoroughly, and so on) will generally make others respond more eagerly. Again, that feedback isn't ever guaranteed, but showing that you're open to these kinds of things helps a great deal. So remember that if someone's actively berating you for your choice, they are most definitely in the wrong. But if they are simply choosing not to engage with you, then that is entirely their right. **Can't I just turn off undo and not use an eraser?** I addressed this in the article - that's not really what it's about. I actually don't care about undoing or erasing in practice, I do it all the time. The issue is that digital tools bring with them a greater sense of impatience and eagerness that often (again, based on my own empirical evidence from doing many critiques of this sort in the past) tends to cause people to rush, to be less mindful in their approach, and to generally have far less respect for their linework. Now, I know for a fact that despite saying this here, in the article's first paragraph, and everywhere else I've addressed the matter, people will still miss this very important point. Still, I'll mention it again: **it's not about undoing and erasing**. If you disagree, you're welcome to do so. **Why is Drawabox so strict?** There are a lot of.. let's call them "firm recommendations" made throughout the course, and early on I pretty clearly state that you should do your best to follow all the instructions to the letter. For some people this goes against the fluid, experimental and explorative nature of art, but I am not teaching you how to "art". The course's purpose is to teach you a concrete skill, and to do so it relies on a lot of specific tools and approaches whose value will not be immediately obvious. For some people that is a problem, as they feel compelled to understand how things work first. Unfortunately, no explanation will work, because that understanding develops by doing the work, by investing the time, and by applying those same instructions. Those who've made it all the way through (you can talk to them on the Discord server) tend to be far better positioned to understand why they were told to do certain ways, and they're also better positioned to see where certain things may not have been the best choice. After all, I'm not at all saying that my approach is perfect or even close to it. If it was, I wouldn't be continually updating and improving things as I get more data by critiquing student work. At that stage, at the end of this leg of their journey, they tend to understand better where they can bend and break the rules, where they can throw entire chunks away in favour of another instructor's teaching, and what is worth keeping above all else. Without the experience and understanding they've developed, however, one can't really know what is and isn't valuable. **So if I can't get my hands on a fineliner, am I screwed?** No. If you can't get your hands on a fineliner, see if you can grab a ballpoint pen, as those are usually fairly common and cheap. If that's not an option for whatever reason - the pandemic has hit everyone rather hard, after all - then ideally still try and find something with which to do the work traditionally. A pencil, for example. And if that's not an option either, there will at least be something to gain when doing the work digitally, though it is critical that you reflect often on how exactly you're attempting to apply the material, to watch out for the tendency to rush, or to skip things. Since this has gotten rather lengthy, and I've got work to get to, you'll have to forgive me for not proofreading this post. I'm sure it's fraught with run-on sentences, typos, and other nonsense.
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The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g37yocp
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Oh dear, this thread looks like it's getting a little out of hand, so I figure I should step in and clarify a few points and misconceptions. **Are fineliners a hard requirement?** Given that the lesson content is entirely free, it's kind of difficult to make something a "hard" requirement, in that I can't exactly show up at your door and berate you for doing things differently than they way they're prescribed. These lessons exist, and you're welcome to do with them as you wish. That also means that there are a lot of people out there who are making use of elements of the course material, but whom I wouldn't necessarily label as students of the course. After all, if you're not going through it as instructed, then there's only so much of the results that can be attributed to the resource, for better or for worse. So keep that in mind, especially asking peoples' opinions on whether or not the course is worthwhile, or when giving your own, and always provide appropriate caveats to give a full picture of your experiences. Stepping back to the question of tools, the only situation in which it is indeed firmly **required** is when you're seeking the 'official' critiques. That is, the paid option for getting feedback from me and my teaching assistants. As explained in the instructions, the choice of tools is based on what will allow a student to get the most out of the lessons. As the course itself is focused on making material accessible, we simply ask that if you're going to take advantage of that low-cost avenue for feedback, that you should already be going out of your way to make the most of the material. Otherwise, **especially** when it comes to digital work, with the tendency towards rushing and impatience it appears to encourage (based on empirical evidence, as I did once upon a time critique digital work), it would demand even more of our time, thus either limiting the number of students we could work with, or increasing prices. With the official critiques aside, the fact that the recommended tools are indeed the best way to nurture the habits and mindset encouraged by the course as a whole still marks it as an ideal choice. That doesn't mean you won't get anything out of other tools, and doing it in crayon on a napkin is still better than not doing it at all. There is however another point to consider - a lot of students approach the lessons very firm on what they are and aren't willing to do, and that rigidity tends to foreshadow issues down the line. Ballpoint pens are pretty common, for instance, and even for paid critiques students are allowed to use them through the first lesson and the 250 box challenge that follows. If however a student is dead-set on using their expensive display tablet however, despite likely having fairly easy access to even that minimum requirement, then how likely is that student to be willing to invest the time and conscious effort required to get through something as tedious and frustrating as the 250 box challenge? We all have the ways in which we'd like to be able to learn. Many of us would *love* to be able to just draw the things we enjoy, for example, and improve from that (which to be fair *absolutely* works, albeit more gradually). But coming back to the main reason for the recommendation/requirement of certain tools over others, we need to encourage a willingness to do the things that aren't necessarily our favourite way. To consciously eschew the path of least resistance, in favour of scaling a vertical cliff. But again, if you're absolute in your resolve not to follow those recommendations, no one's going to stop you. No one's going to attack you in the night for your choices. **But people are sometimes mean to me when I try and get feedback on my digital work, or my work done in pencil** Drawabox is dogmatic in its very nature, there's no covering that up, and that can cause some people to get a really big head. That feeling of "well I'm doing it the right way, and therefore I'm superior to those who choose not to" can give a serious rush, and can drive someone to frankly be a dick in a public space. I assure you that they are merely compensating for their own inadequacies, and in all likelihood, their understanding is shallow at best. I try to discourage that sort of thing, but this is a vast community, and it is a difficult thing to police. That said, always remember that we are not entitled to the time of others. So if we choose to do the work in pencil, or digitally, or.. in crayon.. others may take that as a sign that you were following the path that suited you best, rather than the path that might yield better work and understanding, and in turn reducing how much effort would actually have to go into giving you feedback. Actively showing the steps you've taken (between using the 'right' tools, clearly taking the time to read the instructions thoroughly, and so on) will generally make others respond more eagerly. Again, that feedback isn't ever guaranteed, but showing that you're open to these kinds of things helps a great deal. So remember that if someone's actively berating you for your choice, they are most definitely in the wrong. But if they are simply choosing not to engage with you, then that is entirely their right. **Can't I just turn off undo and not use an eraser?** I addressed this in the article - that's not really what it's about. I actually don't care about undoing or erasing in practice, I do it all the time. The issue is that digital tools bring with them a greater sense of impatience and eagerness that often (again, based on my own empirical evidence from doing many critiques of this sort in the past) tends to cause people to rush, to be less mindful in their approach, and to generally have far less respect for their linework. Now, I know for a fact that despite saying this here, in the article's first paragraph, and everywhere else I've addressed the matter, people will still miss this very important point. Still, I'll mention it again: **it's not about undoing and erasing**. If you disagree, you're welcome to do so. **Why is Drawabox so strict?** There are a lot of.. let's call them "firm recommendations" made throughout the course, and early on I pretty clearly state that you should do your best to follow all the instructions to the letter. For some people this goes against the fluid, experimental and explorative nature of art, but I am not teaching you how to "art". The course's purpose is to teach you a concrete skill, and to do so it relies on a lot of specific tools and approaches whose value will not be immediately obvious. For some people that is a problem, as they feel compelled to understand how things work first. Unfortunately, no explanation will work, because that understanding develops by doing the work, by investing the time, and by applying those same instructions. Those who've made it all the way through (you can talk to them on the Discord server) tend to be far better positioned to understand why they were told to do certain ways, and they're also better positioned to see where certain things may not have been the best choice. After all, I'm not at all saying that my approach is perfect or even close to it. If it was, I wouldn't be continually updating and improving things as I get more data by critiquing student work. At that stage, at the end of this leg of their journey, they tend to understand better where they can bend and break the rules, where they can throw entire chunks away in favour of another instructor's teaching, and what is worth keeping above all else. Without the experience and understanding they've developed, however, one can't really know what is and isn't valuable. **So if I can't get my hands on a fineliner, am I screwed?** No. If you can't get your hands on a fineliner, see if you can grab a ballpoint pen, as those are usually fairly common and cheap. If that's not an option for whatever reason - the pandemic has hit everyone rather hard, after all - then ideally still try and find something with which to do the work traditionally. A pencil, for example. And if that's not an option either, there will at least be something to gain when doing the work digitally, though it is critical that you reflect often on how exactly you're attempting to apply the material, to watch out for the tendency to rush, or to skip things. Since this has gotten rather lengthy, and I've got work to get to, you'll have to forgive me for not proofreading this post. I'm sure it's fraught with run-on sentences, typos, and other nonsense.
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I read through half these replies and see a lot of answers but not the obvious one. I will give you a musicians perspective of this: Fine liners and a tablet are the same difference as recording on a four track without punch in and inside of a DAW (digital audio workstation). The DAW is faster, sleeker, more powerful, more modern, and in every regard is a better platform for getting an idea into shape and finished than anything else. It makes transposition not just easy but literally not a problem whatsoever I can play and it will transpose for me with MIDI. This is like a tablet with a visual editing program. Well, because if this and the fact that you can infinitely punch in and work wherever in the song you want with perfect ability to control Z there’s more musicians than ever before who have whole works that they can’t play because they only recorded it the one time and played the part only five or six times to record it. That’s all hunky dory if they don’t want to perform and all but it’s just a thing to be aware of. Comparatively, when outside of a DAW on a physical medium of other recorder without punch in you have to play the whole song all the way through when recording. As a result, your relationship with what you make and how you make changes it. So that’s the difference to me. Work only with a tablet and eventually you might find that if you want to draw something in real space with permanent mediums maybe you can’t and that you allow yourself to make far more mistakes which creates a bottleneck in your workflow. So to me the pen and ink accomplishes: smoothening your workflow by making you less likely to ride/ become dependent on “undo” functions, keeping your art skills at their peak, and honestly they just also have very different mind spaces for creation that allow you to work differently and the paths you take add fingerprints to your work one way or the other. Anyways, I read the link you attached and I don’t see they have a problem with tablets. They said that they use a tablet for all their professional work but think there is value in practicing with physical mediums, and as an artist working with sound under similar constraints for years at this point I absolutely agree wholeheartedly.
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The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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As somebody from r/all without the baggage of my artistic ability or this lesson in particular being very important to me, why not just do it with what you want? Okay people are saying it's better to use pen and paper, so what? The lessons are free, start doing the lessons, make it your own. Look up other lessons and fold them in. In my opinion self-learning must be diversified and interesting enough to maintain engagement, so do it the way that makes it enjoyable for you. There's no one right way to do anything, no matter what reddit comments would have you believe.
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Oh dear, this thread looks like it's getting a little out of hand, so I figure I should step in and clarify a few points and misconceptions. **Are fineliners a hard requirement?** Given that the lesson content is entirely free, it's kind of difficult to make something a "hard" requirement, in that I can't exactly show up at your door and berate you for doing things differently than they way they're prescribed. These lessons exist, and you're welcome to do with them as you wish. That also means that there are a lot of people out there who are making use of elements of the course material, but whom I wouldn't necessarily label as students of the course. After all, if you're not going through it as instructed, then there's only so much of the results that can be attributed to the resource, for better or for worse. So keep that in mind, especially asking peoples' opinions on whether or not the course is worthwhile, or when giving your own, and always provide appropriate caveats to give a full picture of your experiences. Stepping back to the question of tools, the only situation in which it is indeed firmly **required** is when you're seeking the 'official' critiques. That is, the paid option for getting feedback from me and my teaching assistants. As explained in the instructions, the choice of tools is based on what will allow a student to get the most out of the lessons. As the course itself is focused on making material accessible, we simply ask that if you're going to take advantage of that low-cost avenue for feedback, that you should already be going out of your way to make the most of the material. Otherwise, **especially** when it comes to digital work, with the tendency towards rushing and impatience it appears to encourage (based on empirical evidence, as I did once upon a time critique digital work), it would demand even more of our time, thus either limiting the number of students we could work with, or increasing prices. With the official critiques aside, the fact that the recommended tools are indeed the best way to nurture the habits and mindset encouraged by the course as a whole still marks it as an ideal choice. That doesn't mean you won't get anything out of other tools, and doing it in crayon on a napkin is still better than not doing it at all. There is however another point to consider - a lot of students approach the lessons very firm on what they are and aren't willing to do, and that rigidity tends to foreshadow issues down the line. Ballpoint pens are pretty common, for instance, and even for paid critiques students are allowed to use them through the first lesson and the 250 box challenge that follows. If however a student is dead-set on using their expensive display tablet however, despite likely having fairly easy access to even that minimum requirement, then how likely is that student to be willing to invest the time and conscious effort required to get through something as tedious and frustrating as the 250 box challenge? We all have the ways in which we'd like to be able to learn. Many of us would *love* to be able to just draw the things we enjoy, for example, and improve from that (which to be fair *absolutely* works, albeit more gradually). But coming back to the main reason for the recommendation/requirement of certain tools over others, we need to encourage a willingness to do the things that aren't necessarily our favourite way. To consciously eschew the path of least resistance, in favour of scaling a vertical cliff. But again, if you're absolute in your resolve not to follow those recommendations, no one's going to stop you. No one's going to attack you in the night for your choices. **But people are sometimes mean to me when I try and get feedback on my digital work, or my work done in pencil** Drawabox is dogmatic in its very nature, there's no covering that up, and that can cause some people to get a really big head. That feeling of "well I'm doing it the right way, and therefore I'm superior to those who choose not to" can give a serious rush, and can drive someone to frankly be a dick in a public space. I assure you that they are merely compensating for their own inadequacies, and in all likelihood, their understanding is shallow at best. I try to discourage that sort of thing, but this is a vast community, and it is a difficult thing to police. That said, always remember that we are not entitled to the time of others. So if we choose to do the work in pencil, or digitally, or.. in crayon.. others may take that as a sign that you were following the path that suited you best, rather than the path that might yield better work and understanding, and in turn reducing how much effort would actually have to go into giving you feedback. Actively showing the steps you've taken (between using the 'right' tools, clearly taking the time to read the instructions thoroughly, and so on) will generally make others respond more eagerly. Again, that feedback isn't ever guaranteed, but showing that you're open to these kinds of things helps a great deal. So remember that if someone's actively berating you for your choice, they are most definitely in the wrong. But if they are simply choosing not to engage with you, then that is entirely their right. **Can't I just turn off undo and not use an eraser?** I addressed this in the article - that's not really what it's about. I actually don't care about undoing or erasing in practice, I do it all the time. The issue is that digital tools bring with them a greater sense of impatience and eagerness that often (again, based on my own empirical evidence from doing many critiques of this sort in the past) tends to cause people to rush, to be less mindful in their approach, and to generally have far less respect for their linework. Now, I know for a fact that despite saying this here, in the article's first paragraph, and everywhere else I've addressed the matter, people will still miss this very important point. Still, I'll mention it again: **it's not about undoing and erasing**. If you disagree, you're welcome to do so. **Why is Drawabox so strict?** There are a lot of.. let's call them "firm recommendations" made throughout the course, and early on I pretty clearly state that you should do your best to follow all the instructions to the letter. For some people this goes against the fluid, experimental and explorative nature of art, but I am not teaching you how to "art". The course's purpose is to teach you a concrete skill, and to do so it relies on a lot of specific tools and approaches whose value will not be immediately obvious. For some people that is a problem, as they feel compelled to understand how things work first. Unfortunately, no explanation will work, because that understanding develops by doing the work, by investing the time, and by applying those same instructions. Those who've made it all the way through (you can talk to them on the Discord server) tend to be far better positioned to understand why they were told to do certain ways, and they're also better positioned to see where certain things may not have been the best choice. After all, I'm not at all saying that my approach is perfect or even close to it. If it was, I wouldn't be continually updating and improving things as I get more data by critiquing student work. At that stage, at the end of this leg of their journey, they tend to understand better where they can bend and break the rules, where they can throw entire chunks away in favour of another instructor's teaching, and what is worth keeping above all else. Without the experience and understanding they've developed, however, one can't really know what is and isn't valuable. **So if I can't get my hands on a fineliner, am I screwed?** No. If you can't get your hands on a fineliner, see if you can grab a ballpoint pen, as those are usually fairly common and cheap. If that's not an option for whatever reason - the pandemic has hit everyone rather hard, after all - then ideally still try and find something with which to do the work traditionally. A pencil, for example. And if that's not an option either, there will at least be something to gain when doing the work digitally, though it is critical that you reflect often on how exactly you're attempting to apply the material, to watch out for the tendency to rush, or to skip things. Since this has gotten rather lengthy, and I've got work to get to, you'll have to forgive me for not proofreading this post. I'm sure it's fraught with run-on sentences, typos, and other nonsense.
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The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g38ucnb
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Oh dear, this thread looks like it's getting a little out of hand, so I figure I should step in and clarify a few points and misconceptions. **Are fineliners a hard requirement?** Given that the lesson content is entirely free, it's kind of difficult to make something a "hard" requirement, in that I can't exactly show up at your door and berate you for doing things differently than they way they're prescribed. These lessons exist, and you're welcome to do with them as you wish. That also means that there are a lot of people out there who are making use of elements of the course material, but whom I wouldn't necessarily label as students of the course. After all, if you're not going through it as instructed, then there's only so much of the results that can be attributed to the resource, for better or for worse. So keep that in mind, especially asking peoples' opinions on whether or not the course is worthwhile, or when giving your own, and always provide appropriate caveats to give a full picture of your experiences. Stepping back to the question of tools, the only situation in which it is indeed firmly **required** is when you're seeking the 'official' critiques. That is, the paid option for getting feedback from me and my teaching assistants. As explained in the instructions, the choice of tools is based on what will allow a student to get the most out of the lessons. As the course itself is focused on making material accessible, we simply ask that if you're going to take advantage of that low-cost avenue for feedback, that you should already be going out of your way to make the most of the material. Otherwise, **especially** when it comes to digital work, with the tendency towards rushing and impatience it appears to encourage (based on empirical evidence, as I did once upon a time critique digital work), it would demand even more of our time, thus either limiting the number of students we could work with, or increasing prices. With the official critiques aside, the fact that the recommended tools are indeed the best way to nurture the habits and mindset encouraged by the course as a whole still marks it as an ideal choice. That doesn't mean you won't get anything out of other tools, and doing it in crayon on a napkin is still better than not doing it at all. There is however another point to consider - a lot of students approach the lessons very firm on what they are and aren't willing to do, and that rigidity tends to foreshadow issues down the line. Ballpoint pens are pretty common, for instance, and even for paid critiques students are allowed to use them through the first lesson and the 250 box challenge that follows. If however a student is dead-set on using their expensive display tablet however, despite likely having fairly easy access to even that minimum requirement, then how likely is that student to be willing to invest the time and conscious effort required to get through something as tedious and frustrating as the 250 box challenge? We all have the ways in which we'd like to be able to learn. Many of us would *love* to be able to just draw the things we enjoy, for example, and improve from that (which to be fair *absolutely* works, albeit more gradually). But coming back to the main reason for the recommendation/requirement of certain tools over others, we need to encourage a willingness to do the things that aren't necessarily our favourite way. To consciously eschew the path of least resistance, in favour of scaling a vertical cliff. But again, if you're absolute in your resolve not to follow those recommendations, no one's going to stop you. No one's going to attack you in the night for your choices. **But people are sometimes mean to me when I try and get feedback on my digital work, or my work done in pencil** Drawabox is dogmatic in its very nature, there's no covering that up, and that can cause some people to get a really big head. That feeling of "well I'm doing it the right way, and therefore I'm superior to those who choose not to" can give a serious rush, and can drive someone to frankly be a dick in a public space. I assure you that they are merely compensating for their own inadequacies, and in all likelihood, their understanding is shallow at best. I try to discourage that sort of thing, but this is a vast community, and it is a difficult thing to police. That said, always remember that we are not entitled to the time of others. So if we choose to do the work in pencil, or digitally, or.. in crayon.. others may take that as a sign that you were following the path that suited you best, rather than the path that might yield better work and understanding, and in turn reducing how much effort would actually have to go into giving you feedback. Actively showing the steps you've taken (between using the 'right' tools, clearly taking the time to read the instructions thoroughly, and so on) will generally make others respond more eagerly. Again, that feedback isn't ever guaranteed, but showing that you're open to these kinds of things helps a great deal. So remember that if someone's actively berating you for your choice, they are most definitely in the wrong. But if they are simply choosing not to engage with you, then that is entirely their right. **Can't I just turn off undo and not use an eraser?** I addressed this in the article - that's not really what it's about. I actually don't care about undoing or erasing in practice, I do it all the time. The issue is that digital tools bring with them a greater sense of impatience and eagerness that often (again, based on my own empirical evidence from doing many critiques of this sort in the past) tends to cause people to rush, to be less mindful in their approach, and to generally have far less respect for their linework. Now, I know for a fact that despite saying this here, in the article's first paragraph, and everywhere else I've addressed the matter, people will still miss this very important point. Still, I'll mention it again: **it's not about undoing and erasing**. If you disagree, you're welcome to do so. **Why is Drawabox so strict?** There are a lot of.. let's call them "firm recommendations" made throughout the course, and early on I pretty clearly state that you should do your best to follow all the instructions to the letter. For some people this goes against the fluid, experimental and explorative nature of art, but I am not teaching you how to "art". The course's purpose is to teach you a concrete skill, and to do so it relies on a lot of specific tools and approaches whose value will not be immediately obvious. For some people that is a problem, as they feel compelled to understand how things work first. Unfortunately, no explanation will work, because that understanding develops by doing the work, by investing the time, and by applying those same instructions. Those who've made it all the way through (you can talk to them on the Discord server) tend to be far better positioned to understand why they were told to do certain ways, and they're also better positioned to see where certain things may not have been the best choice. After all, I'm not at all saying that my approach is perfect or even close to it. If it was, I wouldn't be continually updating and improving things as I get more data by critiquing student work. At that stage, at the end of this leg of their journey, they tend to understand better where they can bend and break the rules, where they can throw entire chunks away in favour of another instructor's teaching, and what is worth keeping above all else. Without the experience and understanding they've developed, however, one can't really know what is and isn't valuable. **So if I can't get my hands on a fineliner, am I screwed?** No. If you can't get your hands on a fineliner, see if you can grab a ballpoint pen, as those are usually fairly common and cheap. If that's not an option for whatever reason - the pandemic has hit everyone rather hard, after all - then ideally still try and find something with which to do the work traditionally. A pencil, for example. And if that's not an option either, there will at least be something to gain when doing the work digitally, though it is critical that you reflect often on how exactly you're attempting to apply the material, to watch out for the tendency to rush, or to skip things. Since this has gotten rather lengthy, and I've got work to get to, you'll have to forgive me for not proofreading this post. I'm sure it's fraught with run-on sentences, typos, and other nonsense.
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One thing which isn't often mentioned which is a huge difference in how you draw digitally is if you are using a tablet where its also the screen (I.e cinetiq, ms surface, ipad) vs tablets where they are just drawing inputs where you need a separate screen (i.E wacom). If you are using a wacom like the latter then you are having to draw and potentially look elsewhere which can muddy the water a bit when learning imo. Whereas if you are using a tablet (I mix pen and paper and a surface pro) you are almost the same as pen and paper drawing, but there will be some differences but for all intents and purposes you are able to emulate the pen and paper experience a lot easier. So I don't think it's entirely fair to treat "drawing tablets" as a generic thing as one is nothing like pen and paper, the other is just like pen and paper. This being said though it's just emulating pen and paper, I find it far better for doing proper drawing as I can zoom in and out and do lots of other great stuff I can't so easily on pen and paper (Leonardo is great for sketching/emulating pen and paper).
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The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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I would imagine part of it is the difficulty of finding a tablet paintbrush that replicates the texture of a real pen. At least I have found that to be a problem myself but then again I am not the best at drawing with a pen in the first place though it is definitely more difficult with a pen to do things like using the texture of a pen to create line layering and similar thing by making replicating lines. In tablets that oftne just ends up ooking like a thick line
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Oh dear, this thread looks like it's getting a little out of hand, so I figure I should step in and clarify a few points and misconceptions. **Are fineliners a hard requirement?** Given that the lesson content is entirely free, it's kind of difficult to make something a "hard" requirement, in that I can't exactly show up at your door and berate you for doing things differently than they way they're prescribed. These lessons exist, and you're welcome to do with them as you wish. That also means that there are a lot of people out there who are making use of elements of the course material, but whom I wouldn't necessarily label as students of the course. After all, if you're not going through it as instructed, then there's only so much of the results that can be attributed to the resource, for better or for worse. So keep that in mind, especially asking peoples' opinions on whether or not the course is worthwhile, or when giving your own, and always provide appropriate caveats to give a full picture of your experiences. Stepping back to the question of tools, the only situation in which it is indeed firmly **required** is when you're seeking the 'official' critiques. That is, the paid option for getting feedback from me and my teaching assistants. As explained in the instructions, the choice of tools is based on what will allow a student to get the most out of the lessons. As the course itself is focused on making material accessible, we simply ask that if you're going to take advantage of that low-cost avenue for feedback, that you should already be going out of your way to make the most of the material. Otherwise, **especially** when it comes to digital work, with the tendency towards rushing and impatience it appears to encourage (based on empirical evidence, as I did once upon a time critique digital work), it would demand even more of our time, thus either limiting the number of students we could work with, or increasing prices. With the official critiques aside, the fact that the recommended tools are indeed the best way to nurture the habits and mindset encouraged by the course as a whole still marks it as an ideal choice. That doesn't mean you won't get anything out of other tools, and doing it in crayon on a napkin is still better than not doing it at all. There is however another point to consider - a lot of students approach the lessons very firm on what they are and aren't willing to do, and that rigidity tends to foreshadow issues down the line. Ballpoint pens are pretty common, for instance, and even for paid critiques students are allowed to use them through the first lesson and the 250 box challenge that follows. If however a student is dead-set on using their expensive display tablet however, despite likely having fairly easy access to even that minimum requirement, then how likely is that student to be willing to invest the time and conscious effort required to get through something as tedious and frustrating as the 250 box challenge? We all have the ways in which we'd like to be able to learn. Many of us would *love* to be able to just draw the things we enjoy, for example, and improve from that (which to be fair *absolutely* works, albeit more gradually). But coming back to the main reason for the recommendation/requirement of certain tools over others, we need to encourage a willingness to do the things that aren't necessarily our favourite way. To consciously eschew the path of least resistance, in favour of scaling a vertical cliff. But again, if you're absolute in your resolve not to follow those recommendations, no one's going to stop you. No one's going to attack you in the night for your choices. **But people are sometimes mean to me when I try and get feedback on my digital work, or my work done in pencil** Drawabox is dogmatic in its very nature, there's no covering that up, and that can cause some people to get a really big head. That feeling of "well I'm doing it the right way, and therefore I'm superior to those who choose not to" can give a serious rush, and can drive someone to frankly be a dick in a public space. I assure you that they are merely compensating for their own inadequacies, and in all likelihood, their understanding is shallow at best. I try to discourage that sort of thing, but this is a vast community, and it is a difficult thing to police. That said, always remember that we are not entitled to the time of others. So if we choose to do the work in pencil, or digitally, or.. in crayon.. others may take that as a sign that you were following the path that suited you best, rather than the path that might yield better work and understanding, and in turn reducing how much effort would actually have to go into giving you feedback. Actively showing the steps you've taken (between using the 'right' tools, clearly taking the time to read the instructions thoroughly, and so on) will generally make others respond more eagerly. Again, that feedback isn't ever guaranteed, but showing that you're open to these kinds of things helps a great deal. So remember that if someone's actively berating you for your choice, they are most definitely in the wrong. But if they are simply choosing not to engage with you, then that is entirely their right. **Can't I just turn off undo and not use an eraser?** I addressed this in the article - that's not really what it's about. I actually don't care about undoing or erasing in practice, I do it all the time. The issue is that digital tools bring with them a greater sense of impatience and eagerness that often (again, based on my own empirical evidence from doing many critiques of this sort in the past) tends to cause people to rush, to be less mindful in their approach, and to generally have far less respect for their linework. Now, I know for a fact that despite saying this here, in the article's first paragraph, and everywhere else I've addressed the matter, people will still miss this very important point. Still, I'll mention it again: **it's not about undoing and erasing**. If you disagree, you're welcome to do so. **Why is Drawabox so strict?** There are a lot of.. let's call them "firm recommendations" made throughout the course, and early on I pretty clearly state that you should do your best to follow all the instructions to the letter. For some people this goes against the fluid, experimental and explorative nature of art, but I am not teaching you how to "art". The course's purpose is to teach you a concrete skill, and to do so it relies on a lot of specific tools and approaches whose value will not be immediately obvious. For some people that is a problem, as they feel compelled to understand how things work first. Unfortunately, no explanation will work, because that understanding develops by doing the work, by investing the time, and by applying those same instructions. Those who've made it all the way through (you can talk to them on the Discord server) tend to be far better positioned to understand why they were told to do certain ways, and they're also better positioned to see where certain things may not have been the best choice. After all, I'm not at all saying that my approach is perfect or even close to it. If it was, I wouldn't be continually updating and improving things as I get more data by critiquing student work. At that stage, at the end of this leg of their journey, they tend to understand better where they can bend and break the rules, where they can throw entire chunks away in favour of another instructor's teaching, and what is worth keeping above all else. Without the experience and understanding they've developed, however, one can't really know what is and isn't valuable. **So if I can't get my hands on a fineliner, am I screwed?** No. If you can't get your hands on a fineliner, see if you can grab a ballpoint pen, as those are usually fairly common and cheap. If that's not an option for whatever reason - the pandemic has hit everyone rather hard, after all - then ideally still try and find something with which to do the work traditionally. A pencil, for example. And if that's not an option either, there will at least be something to gain when doing the work digitally, though it is critical that you reflect often on how exactly you're attempting to apply the material, to watch out for the tendency to rush, or to skip things. Since this has gotten rather lengthy, and I've got work to get to, you'll have to forgive me for not proofreading this post. I'm sure it's fraught with run-on sentences, typos, and other nonsense.
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The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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The prescription for Draw A Box along with Peter Han’s course that it is based on is designed for general improvement of art amongst the most amount of people. You can do whatever you want, there are plenty of artists who have never touched a fineliner pen that are amazing. But you are looking at this the wrong way. The course encourages fineliner use to build confidence in your lines by the lack of Undo, by forcing you to slow down and think before you make a mark, and to not rely on the opacity of pencil, ballpoint pens, digital brush, etc... This is designed so that the most amount of people don’t develop bad habits and improve at an optimal speed. You can gain these good habits digitally, but you have to consciously be aware of it. There’s a component of muscle memory, but there’s also a portion of drawing that requires you to actively think about what you are doing. So go ahead and do whatever process you want, if you can consciously keep an active mind while drawing you’ll improve just the same. I would just recommend checking your ego, ask yourself If you’re just trying to avoid difficulty in your learning process, or if you really believe this is the best way for you to improve.
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Several replies, most don't address your concerns. The question remains. Why? Is the reason UNDO and line straightening as some suggest? OK, perfect, turn em off. I feel the pen and paper mentality is rather gate keepy, and kind of toxic. I switched to digital about a year ago, and my progress has been remarkable. Friends that are professional artists have voiced how impressed they are. I don't like spending money when I don't need to. I don't like material things I'm told I need for no reasons. I don't like expectations people follow because people follow them. So to a point, in construction people use power tools. Because they have a massive list of advantages. I have worked with old salt of the earth fellas who won't use "those expensive pieces of shit that make you lazy" and so on. Mechanics and car enthusiasts has grievance with computers in cars making the DIY repairs a much harder task, takes the task away from the tools. In kitchens, I've seen chefs cry and moan that a sous vide makes any fool seem talented. Demanding a real chef learns the old methods and the like. I could go on. Times change. There's no obligation to adopt new technology, there's no obligation to resist. I will continue using strictly digital devices for my artistic endeavours, if that means in the eyes of a purist I am inferior, I guess I won't expect them to like my work. C'est la vie.
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The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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The prescription for Draw A Box along with Peter Han’s course that it is based on is designed for general improvement of art amongst the most amount of people. You can do whatever you want, there are plenty of artists who have never touched a fineliner pen that are amazing. But you are looking at this the wrong way. The course encourages fineliner use to build confidence in your lines by the lack of Undo, by forcing you to slow down and think before you make a mark, and to not rely on the opacity of pencil, ballpoint pens, digital brush, etc... This is designed so that the most amount of people don’t develop bad habits and improve at an optimal speed. You can gain these good habits digitally, but you have to consciously be aware of it. There’s a component of muscle memory, but there’s also a portion of drawing that requires you to actively think about what you are doing. So go ahead and do whatever process you want, if you can consciously keep an active mind while drawing you’ll improve just the same. I would just recommend checking your ego, ask yourself If you’re just trying to avoid difficulty in your learning process, or if you really believe this is the best way for you to improve.
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personally have gotten some shit from certain people in the past exactly because ive chosen to do it digitally. Ive found myself to work way faster than the people who do it physically and ive improven way more rapidly compared to them. Honestly dont care what anyone says at this point, i get the whole concept of building confidence and not backing out of your mistakes, but id rather make 500 mistakes and hit undo and try again and build muscle memory than do fiddle around for 10 minutes ghosting every single line and then hit a clean stroke. However ive allocated myself 2 months to finish a certain amount of lessons. So if i can skip time i will.
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The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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You can do the exercises digitally, it's just not recommended due to the extra layers of complexity that are added—if you make a mistake, you have to wade through them to figure out what the issue was. However, if you have had the tablet for a year as you mentioned, you may already know the ins & outs of the hardware & software, hopefully minimizing its confounding influence. If it's a matter of doing them digitally or not doing them at all, obviously doing them digitally is better than not. If the insistence on physical media is stressing you, then just do them digitally. It's a strongly stated recommendation that is repeated often, but at the end of the day as long as you're improving through practice that's what matters. Learning a skill like art is a long-term endeavor that spans years. Find the way that works best for you. Being faster or slower at the start matters less than whether or not you can stick to it. If you do go digital though, as others have mentioned, don't use control z and set the line smoothing in your program to 0. Get rid of the shortcuts of digital and go about it as though you were using a pen.
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The prescription for Draw A Box along with Peter Han’s course that it is based on is designed for general improvement of art amongst the most amount of people. You can do whatever you want, there are plenty of artists who have never touched a fineliner pen that are amazing. But you are looking at this the wrong way. The course encourages fineliner use to build confidence in your lines by the lack of Undo, by forcing you to slow down and think before you make a mark, and to not rely on the opacity of pencil, ballpoint pens, digital brush, etc... This is designed so that the most amount of people don’t develop bad habits and improve at an optimal speed. You can gain these good habits digitally, but you have to consciously be aware of it. There’s a component of muscle memory, but there’s also a portion of drawing that requires you to actively think about what you are doing. So go ahead and do whatever process you want, if you can consciously keep an active mind while drawing you’ll improve just the same. I would just recommend checking your ego, ask yourself If you’re just trying to avoid difficulty in your learning process, or if you really believe this is the best way for you to improve.
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The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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The prescription for Draw A Box along with Peter Han’s course that it is based on is designed for general improvement of art amongst the most amount of people. You can do whatever you want, there are plenty of artists who have never touched a fineliner pen that are amazing. But you are looking at this the wrong way. The course encourages fineliner use to build confidence in your lines by the lack of Undo, by forcing you to slow down and think before you make a mark, and to not rely on the opacity of pencil, ballpoint pens, digital brush, etc... This is designed so that the most amount of people don’t develop bad habits and improve at an optimal speed. You can gain these good habits digitally, but you have to consciously be aware of it. There’s a component of muscle memory, but there’s also a portion of drawing that requires you to actively think about what you are doing. So go ahead and do whatever process you want, if you can consciously keep an active mind while drawing you’ll improve just the same. I would just recommend checking your ego, ask yourself If you’re just trying to avoid difficulty in your learning process, or if you really believe this is the best way for you to improve.
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I also feel this way but i keep telling myself that whatever the media is, with enough work from ourselves, we can achieve great things. My goal is to get a strong fundation and finally be able to draw things i see in real life but also in my imagination. I don’t think the media can stop this
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The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g36kfv1
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g35w8w7
| 1,598,652,819 | 1,598,641,089 | 34 | 13 |
The prescription for Draw A Box along with Peter Han’s course that it is based on is designed for general improvement of art amongst the most amount of people. You can do whatever you want, there are plenty of artists who have never touched a fineliner pen that are amazing. But you are looking at this the wrong way. The course encourages fineliner use to build confidence in your lines by the lack of Undo, by forcing you to slow down and think before you make a mark, and to not rely on the opacity of pencil, ballpoint pens, digital brush, etc... This is designed so that the most amount of people don’t develop bad habits and improve at an optimal speed. You can gain these good habits digitally, but you have to consciously be aware of it. There’s a component of muscle memory, but there’s also a portion of drawing that requires you to actively think about what you are doing. So go ahead and do whatever process you want, if you can consciously keep an active mind while drawing you’ll improve just the same. I would just recommend checking your ego, ask yourself If you’re just trying to avoid difficulty in your learning process, or if you really believe this is the best way for you to improve.
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If you're going to insist on digital tablets you should at least do all the exercises without the "undo feature". The point of the fine liners is that you cant erase it. It makes you better.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g36kfv1
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g3631zn
| 1,598,652,819 | 1,598,644,304 | 34 | 13 |
The prescription for Draw A Box along with Peter Han’s course that it is based on is designed for general improvement of art amongst the most amount of people. You can do whatever you want, there are plenty of artists who have never touched a fineliner pen that are amazing. But you are looking at this the wrong way. The course encourages fineliner use to build confidence in your lines by the lack of Undo, by forcing you to slow down and think before you make a mark, and to not rely on the opacity of pencil, ballpoint pens, digital brush, etc... This is designed so that the most amount of people don’t develop bad habits and improve at an optimal speed. You can gain these good habits digitally, but you have to consciously be aware of it. There’s a component of muscle memory, but there’s also a portion of drawing that requires you to actively think about what you are doing. So go ahead and do whatever process you want, if you can consciously keep an active mind while drawing you’ll improve just the same. I would just recommend checking your ego, ask yourself If you’re just trying to avoid difficulty in your learning process, or if you really believe this is the best way for you to improve.
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It's a similar situation for me as well. I get that why creator (I don't know drawabox's creator's name) wants us to use fineliner pen, cause it's better and leaves a good mark (or whatever it's called, my english is not that good) but I just can't. Local currency lost all of it's value in Turkey and stores just don't sell fineliners, especially the ones in my small town. I could try buying them online but I just don't know if a set of fineliners would be any good for 10 Liras (thats like 1.4 dollars), they most likely would be of shitty quality. Tbh as a complete beginner whose drawing experience before was to make a square and triangle house, I am scared of the backlash I would get marked as ''criticism'' because I didn't get fineliners. I am scared of sharing my homework because they are done with a pencil. Also the ''Why not pencil?'' part: How exactly am I missing the point when I say I won't use the eraser? What's wrong with hiding your wastefulness you made to outside eyes when you are confident end result is satisfactory for yourself? He says inability to control the opacity of strokes forces to develop a finer sense of pressure and goes on about bringing strokes to life. What's holding me up from developing a sense of pressure with pencil, you know which leaves different kind of opacity depending on which way you draw (like sideways) or pressure unlike fineliners, and bringing strokes from a pencil to life? I watched a video in which they said about drawabox ''follow everything, don't change the rules to your liking'' or something of that sort. Just, why? I am literally trying to learn the most basics while I am getting told to use fineliners exclusively. I feel like a little brother playing a video game with his big brother watching and leading him through the game, but the big brother is trying to make the little one follow HIS playstyle in the EXACT manner. Give me the basics big bro and let me play with a mouse and keyboard instead of forcing me to play on a joystick. There, felt like a child while typing all of that. TL;DR: I can't buy a good enough fineliner in my locale, am scared of posting the work done because first thing people would say me to under criticism is to go buy a fineliner. Creator writes a full theorem paper on why ink and not pencil and in my head it doesn't clear anything while he explains the majesticity of fineliners for a full page citing confidence and whatnot.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g36kfv1
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g3629xw
| 1,598,652,819 | 1,598,643,937 | 34 | 11 |
The prescription for Draw A Box along with Peter Han’s course that it is based on is designed for general improvement of art amongst the most amount of people. You can do whatever you want, there are plenty of artists who have never touched a fineliner pen that are amazing. But you are looking at this the wrong way. The course encourages fineliner use to build confidence in your lines by the lack of Undo, by forcing you to slow down and think before you make a mark, and to not rely on the opacity of pencil, ballpoint pens, digital brush, etc... This is designed so that the most amount of people don’t develop bad habits and improve at an optimal speed. You can gain these good habits digitally, but you have to consciously be aware of it. There’s a component of muscle memory, but there’s also a portion of drawing that requires you to actively think about what you are doing. So go ahead and do whatever process you want, if you can consciously keep an active mind while drawing you’ll improve just the same. I would just recommend checking your ego, ask yourself If you’re just trying to avoid difficulty in your learning process, or if you really believe this is the best way for you to improve.
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I do it all digitally anyway and even if I draw on paper, I prefer 2mm leadholders to fineliners. I'm not ANTI fineliner but eh.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g36kfv1
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g35vk17
| 1,598,652,819 | 1,598,640,761 | 34 | 8 |
The prescription for Draw A Box along with Peter Han’s course that it is based on is designed for general improvement of art amongst the most amount of people. You can do whatever you want, there are plenty of artists who have never touched a fineliner pen that are amazing. But you are looking at this the wrong way. The course encourages fineliner use to build confidence in your lines by the lack of Undo, by forcing you to slow down and think before you make a mark, and to not rely on the opacity of pencil, ballpoint pens, digital brush, etc... This is designed so that the most amount of people don’t develop bad habits and improve at an optimal speed. You can gain these good habits digitally, but you have to consciously be aware of it. There’s a component of muscle memory, but there’s also a portion of drawing that requires you to actively think about what you are doing. So go ahead and do whatever process you want, if you can consciously keep an active mind while drawing you’ll improve just the same. I would just recommend checking your ego, ask yourself If you’re just trying to avoid difficulty in your learning process, or if you really believe this is the best way for you to improve.
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Ahah, I enjoyed your rant. Maybe just use pen/paper for the exercises strictly but draw for fun on the pad?
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g36kfv1
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g35y4vs
| 1,598,652,819 | 1,598,641,985 | 34 | 7 |
The prescription for Draw A Box along with Peter Han’s course that it is based on is designed for general improvement of art amongst the most amount of people. You can do whatever you want, there are plenty of artists who have never touched a fineliner pen that are amazing. But you are looking at this the wrong way. The course encourages fineliner use to build confidence in your lines by the lack of Undo, by forcing you to slow down and think before you make a mark, and to not rely on the opacity of pencil, ballpoint pens, digital brush, etc... This is designed so that the most amount of people don’t develop bad habits and improve at an optimal speed. You can gain these good habits digitally, but you have to consciously be aware of it. There’s a component of muscle memory, but there’s also a portion of drawing that requires you to actively think about what you are doing. So go ahead and do whatever process you want, if you can consciously keep an active mind while drawing you’ll improve just the same. I would just recommend checking your ego, ask yourself If you’re just trying to avoid difficulty in your learning process, or if you really believe this is the best way for you to improve.
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They aren’t saying that digital media is bad, just that it isn’t effective for this course. Definitely continue doing your art-for-fun with your tablet, but you should use pen and paper for this class. You can’t undo with paper, so you learn how to be more accurate over time. You can’t turn line smoothing on with paper, so you know better what you need to work on. It’s just a better way to learn this material. By all means, when you do your warmups, you can do them with your tablet. But the homework should be done with pen and paper.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g36mw8t
| 1,598,655,398 | 1,598,654,103 | 25 | 24 |
So this comes up pretty often. You said you read Uncomfortable’s lengthy argument. You can either agree or disagree. You obviously disagree. If you aren’t turning it in for him or his helpers to critique them it doesn’t matter. You could air brush it for all I care. Just be ready for people to say, “Hey is supposed to be done in ink.” I tell absolutely everyone who’s doing lessons 1 or 2 that the lessons are supposed to be done in ink per instructions. I still offer critique. Past those lessons I figure you’ve made the decision to do it how you want. I look at it like this: if I were taking this class at school, in order to get a good grade I’d have to use the materials the teacher said use regardless of how I feel about it or whether they made a good argument. You volunteered for this course and are choosing to use a different medium. You are going to catch some flack.
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Hi, I've completed the course and did it entirely in pen and paid for critique, where it's a strict requirement. The course is not easy in pen by any means and I understand why people baulk at it. I'm glad I did it because now that I've transitioned to almost exclusively digital, I find myself undoing a lot even still. The skills transferred from what I learnt on paper and my lines are confident and generally accurate but I've still got that digital muscle memory of undo, no matter what I do on my tablet. Sometimes I'll try hitting the undo button on stuff I do on paper. It's just so ingrained in our brains it's nearly impossible to shake. Drawabox is just as much about ingraining a good habit of confidence and muscle memory as it is about making you think before you draw a line. When you undo and redo, you're not really taking the time to really plan it out. As a fellow millennial, I switch between paper and my tablet a lot. I work in IT so creating on a screen is something I do all day every day and drawing on paper reminds me of being a kid and the internet not yet taking over the world. I remember drawing on that weird dot matrix printer paper with the hole punched edges that you could tear off because my parents had boxes of it. Which brings me to my next point, if you wanted to get more out of it while still following the spirit of the rules, you could use a ballpoint and printer paper. You probably have both floating around somewhere, if not the printer paper is usually around $3-5 for a ream and ballpoint a few cents.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
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The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g36pbjn
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g369iic
| 1,598,655,398 | 1,598,647,327 | 25 | 20 |
So this comes up pretty often. You said you read Uncomfortable’s lengthy argument. You can either agree or disagree. You obviously disagree. If you aren’t turning it in for him or his helpers to critique them it doesn’t matter. You could air brush it for all I care. Just be ready for people to say, “Hey is supposed to be done in ink.” I tell absolutely everyone who’s doing lessons 1 or 2 that the lessons are supposed to be done in ink per instructions. I still offer critique. Past those lessons I figure you’ve made the decision to do it how you want. I look at it like this: if I were taking this class at school, in order to get a good grade I’d have to use the materials the teacher said use regardless of how I feel about it or whether they made a good argument. You volunteered for this course and are choosing to use a different medium. You are going to catch some flack.
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personally have gotten some shit from certain people in the past exactly because ive chosen to do it digitally. Ive found myself to work way faster than the people who do it physically and ive improven way more rapidly compared to them. Honestly dont care what anyone says at this point, i get the whole concept of building confidence and not backing out of your mistakes, but id rather make 500 mistakes and hit undo and try again and build muscle memory than do fiddle around for 10 minutes ghosting every single line and then hit a clean stroke. However ive allocated myself 2 months to finish a certain amount of lessons. So if i can skip time i will.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
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The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g36pbjn
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g360mvb
| 1,598,655,398 | 1,598,643,165 | 25 | 19 |
So this comes up pretty often. You said you read Uncomfortable’s lengthy argument. You can either agree or disagree. You obviously disagree. If you aren’t turning it in for him or his helpers to critique them it doesn’t matter. You could air brush it for all I care. Just be ready for people to say, “Hey is supposed to be done in ink.” I tell absolutely everyone who’s doing lessons 1 or 2 that the lessons are supposed to be done in ink per instructions. I still offer critique. Past those lessons I figure you’ve made the decision to do it how you want. I look at it like this: if I were taking this class at school, in order to get a good grade I’d have to use the materials the teacher said use regardless of how I feel about it or whether they made a good argument. You volunteered for this course and are choosing to use a different medium. You are going to catch some flack.
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You can do the exercises digitally, it's just not recommended due to the extra layers of complexity that are added—if you make a mistake, you have to wade through them to figure out what the issue was. However, if you have had the tablet for a year as you mentioned, you may already know the ins & outs of the hardware & software, hopefully minimizing its confounding influence. If it's a matter of doing them digitally or not doing them at all, obviously doing them digitally is better than not. If the insistence on physical media is stressing you, then just do them digitally. It's a strongly stated recommendation that is repeated often, but at the end of the day as long as you're improving through practice that's what matters. Learning a skill like art is a long-term endeavor that spans years. Find the way that works best for you. Being faster or slower at the start matters less than whether or not you can stick to it. If you do go digital though, as others have mentioned, don't use control z and set the line smoothing in your program to 0. Get rid of the shortcuts of digital and go about it as though you were using a pen.
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iibqat
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The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g36pbjn
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g35yzpy
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So this comes up pretty often. You said you read Uncomfortable’s lengthy argument. You can either agree or disagree. You obviously disagree. If you aren’t turning it in for him or his helpers to critique them it doesn’t matter. You could air brush it for all I care. Just be ready for people to say, “Hey is supposed to be done in ink.” I tell absolutely everyone who’s doing lessons 1 or 2 that the lessons are supposed to be done in ink per instructions. I still offer critique. Past those lessons I figure you’ve made the decision to do it how you want. I look at it like this: if I were taking this class at school, in order to get a good grade I’d have to use the materials the teacher said use regardless of how I feel about it or whether they made a good argument. You volunteered for this course and are choosing to use a different medium. You are going to catch some flack.
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I also feel this way but i keep telling myself that whatever the media is, with enough work from ourselves, we can achieve great things. My goal is to get a strong fundation and finally be able to draw things i see in real life but also in my imagination. I don’t think the media can stop this
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
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The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g35w8w7
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g36pbjn
| 1,598,641,089 | 1,598,655,398 | 13 | 25 |
If you're going to insist on digital tablets you should at least do all the exercises without the "undo feature". The point of the fine liners is that you cant erase it. It makes you better.
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So this comes up pretty often. You said you read Uncomfortable’s lengthy argument. You can either agree or disagree. You obviously disagree. If you aren’t turning it in for him or his helpers to critique them it doesn’t matter. You could air brush it for all I care. Just be ready for people to say, “Hey is supposed to be done in ink.” I tell absolutely everyone who’s doing lessons 1 or 2 that the lessons are supposed to be done in ink per instructions. I still offer critique. Past those lessons I figure you’ve made the decision to do it how you want. I look at it like this: if I were taking this class at school, in order to get a good grade I’d have to use the materials the teacher said use regardless of how I feel about it or whether they made a good argument. You volunteered for this course and are choosing to use a different medium. You are going to catch some flack.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g36pbjn
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g3631zn
| 1,598,655,398 | 1,598,644,304 | 25 | 13 |
So this comes up pretty often. You said you read Uncomfortable’s lengthy argument. You can either agree or disagree. You obviously disagree. If you aren’t turning it in for him or his helpers to critique them it doesn’t matter. You could air brush it for all I care. Just be ready for people to say, “Hey is supposed to be done in ink.” I tell absolutely everyone who’s doing lessons 1 or 2 that the lessons are supposed to be done in ink per instructions. I still offer critique. Past those lessons I figure you’ve made the decision to do it how you want. I look at it like this: if I were taking this class at school, in order to get a good grade I’d have to use the materials the teacher said use regardless of how I feel about it or whether they made a good argument. You volunteered for this course and are choosing to use a different medium. You are going to catch some flack.
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It's a similar situation for me as well. I get that why creator (I don't know drawabox's creator's name) wants us to use fineliner pen, cause it's better and leaves a good mark (or whatever it's called, my english is not that good) but I just can't. Local currency lost all of it's value in Turkey and stores just don't sell fineliners, especially the ones in my small town. I could try buying them online but I just don't know if a set of fineliners would be any good for 10 Liras (thats like 1.4 dollars), they most likely would be of shitty quality. Tbh as a complete beginner whose drawing experience before was to make a square and triangle house, I am scared of the backlash I would get marked as ''criticism'' because I didn't get fineliners. I am scared of sharing my homework because they are done with a pencil. Also the ''Why not pencil?'' part: How exactly am I missing the point when I say I won't use the eraser? What's wrong with hiding your wastefulness you made to outside eyes when you are confident end result is satisfactory for yourself? He says inability to control the opacity of strokes forces to develop a finer sense of pressure and goes on about bringing strokes to life. What's holding me up from developing a sense of pressure with pencil, you know which leaves different kind of opacity depending on which way you draw (like sideways) or pressure unlike fineliners, and bringing strokes from a pencil to life? I watched a video in which they said about drawabox ''follow everything, don't change the rules to your liking'' or something of that sort. Just, why? I am literally trying to learn the most basics while I am getting told to use fineliners exclusively. I feel like a little brother playing a video game with his big brother watching and leading him through the game, but the big brother is trying to make the little one follow HIS playstyle in the EXACT manner. Give me the basics big bro and let me play with a mouse and keyboard instead of forcing me to play on a joystick. There, felt like a child while typing all of that. TL;DR: I can't buy a good enough fineliner in my locale, am scared of posting the work done because first thing people would say me to under criticism is to go buy a fineliner. Creator writes a full theorem paper on why ink and not pencil and in my head it doesn't clear anything while he explains the majesticity of fineliners for a full page citing confidence and whatnot.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
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The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g3629xw
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g36pbjn
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I do it all digitally anyway and even if I draw on paper, I prefer 2mm leadholders to fineliners. I'm not ANTI fineliner but eh.
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So this comes up pretty often. You said you read Uncomfortable’s lengthy argument. You can either agree or disagree. You obviously disagree. If you aren’t turning it in for him or his helpers to critique them it doesn’t matter. You could air brush it for all I care. Just be ready for people to say, “Hey is supposed to be done in ink.” I tell absolutely everyone who’s doing lessons 1 or 2 that the lessons are supposed to be done in ink per instructions. I still offer critique. Past those lessons I figure you’ve made the decision to do it how you want. I look at it like this: if I were taking this class at school, in order to get a good grade I’d have to use the materials the teacher said use regardless of how I feel about it or whether they made a good argument. You volunteered for this course and are choosing to use a different medium. You are going to catch some flack.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g36pbjn
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g36kj72
| 1,598,655,398 | 1,598,652,868 | 25 | 10 |
So this comes up pretty often. You said you read Uncomfortable’s lengthy argument. You can either agree or disagree. You obviously disagree. If you aren’t turning it in for him or his helpers to critique them it doesn’t matter. You could air brush it for all I care. Just be ready for people to say, “Hey is supposed to be done in ink.” I tell absolutely everyone who’s doing lessons 1 or 2 that the lessons are supposed to be done in ink per instructions. I still offer critique. Past those lessons I figure you’ve made the decision to do it how you want. I look at it like this: if I were taking this class at school, in order to get a good grade I’d have to use the materials the teacher said use regardless of how I feel about it or whether they made a good argument. You volunteered for this course and are choosing to use a different medium. You are going to catch some flack.
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A few completionist on the discord offered me a site called "ctl+paint". I haven't checked it out yet, but it seems to be a similar thing that's more geared to digital work.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
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The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g36pbjn
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g36mecj
| 1,598,655,398 | 1,598,653,843 | 25 | 11 |
So this comes up pretty often. You said you read Uncomfortable’s lengthy argument. You can either agree or disagree. You obviously disagree. If you aren’t turning it in for him or his helpers to critique them it doesn’t matter. You could air brush it for all I care. Just be ready for people to say, “Hey is supposed to be done in ink.” I tell absolutely everyone who’s doing lessons 1 or 2 that the lessons are supposed to be done in ink per instructions. I still offer critique. Past those lessons I figure you’ve made the decision to do it how you want. I look at it like this: if I were taking this class at school, in order to get a good grade I’d have to use the materials the teacher said use regardless of how I feel about it or whether they made a good argument. You volunteered for this course and are choosing to use a different medium. You are going to catch some flack.
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Use the tools that are available to you. I don't have fine liners though, I had them but to buy new ones I have to go to a place which is a few kilometers. They're expensive in my country, I could spend the money buying breakfast for almost a week. So I use ballpoint pens. They sometimes make the drawings a little dirty but get the job done. Like the other guy said there's a good reason to use fineliners, it's like you're learning the manual way first so you build important muscle memories. Ballpoints are not better than them but I can get almost the same result.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
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The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g35vk17
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g36pbjn
| 1,598,640,761 | 1,598,655,398 | 8 | 25 |
Ahah, I enjoyed your rant. Maybe just use pen/paper for the exercises strictly but draw for fun on the pad?
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So this comes up pretty often. You said you read Uncomfortable’s lengthy argument. You can either agree or disagree. You obviously disagree. If you aren’t turning it in for him or his helpers to critique them it doesn’t matter. You could air brush it for all I care. Just be ready for people to say, “Hey is supposed to be done in ink.” I tell absolutely everyone who’s doing lessons 1 or 2 that the lessons are supposed to be done in ink per instructions. I still offer critique. Past those lessons I figure you’ve made the decision to do it how you want. I look at it like this: if I were taking this class at school, in order to get a good grade I’d have to use the materials the teacher said use regardless of how I feel about it or whether they made a good argument. You volunteered for this course and are choosing to use a different medium. You are going to catch some flack.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g35y4vs
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g36pbjn
| 1,598,641,985 | 1,598,655,398 | 7 | 25 |
They aren’t saying that digital media is bad, just that it isn’t effective for this course. Definitely continue doing your art-for-fun with your tablet, but you should use pen and paper for this class. You can’t undo with paper, so you learn how to be more accurate over time. You can’t turn line smoothing on with paper, so you know better what you need to work on. It’s just a better way to learn this material. By all means, when you do your warmups, you can do them with your tablet. But the homework should be done with pen and paper.
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So this comes up pretty often. You said you read Uncomfortable’s lengthy argument. You can either agree or disagree. You obviously disagree. If you aren’t turning it in for him or his helpers to critique them it doesn’t matter. You could air brush it for all I care. Just be ready for people to say, “Hey is supposed to be done in ink.” I tell absolutely everyone who’s doing lessons 1 or 2 that the lessons are supposed to be done in ink per instructions. I still offer critique. Past those lessons I figure you’ve made the decision to do it how you want. I look at it like this: if I were taking this class at school, in order to get a good grade I’d have to use the materials the teacher said use regardless of how I feel about it or whether they made a good argument. You volunteered for this course and are choosing to use a different medium. You are going to catch some flack.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
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The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g369gvr
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g360mvb
| 1,598,647,305 | 1,598,643,165 | 25 | 19 |
Several replies, most don't address your concerns. The question remains. Why? Is the reason UNDO and line straightening as some suggest? OK, perfect, turn em off. I feel the pen and paper mentality is rather gate keepy, and kind of toxic. I switched to digital about a year ago, and my progress has been remarkable. Friends that are professional artists have voiced how impressed they are. I don't like spending money when I don't need to. I don't like material things I'm told I need for no reasons. I don't like expectations people follow because people follow them. So to a point, in construction people use power tools. Because they have a massive list of advantages. I have worked with old salt of the earth fellas who won't use "those expensive pieces of shit that make you lazy" and so on. Mechanics and car enthusiasts has grievance with computers in cars making the DIY repairs a much harder task, takes the task away from the tools. In kitchens, I've seen chefs cry and moan that a sous vide makes any fool seem talented. Demanding a real chef learns the old methods and the like. I could go on. Times change. There's no obligation to adopt new technology, there's no obligation to resist. I will continue using strictly digital devices for my artistic endeavours, if that means in the eyes of a purist I am inferior, I guess I won't expect them to like my work. C'est la vie.
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You can do the exercises digitally, it's just not recommended due to the extra layers of complexity that are added—if you make a mistake, you have to wade through them to figure out what the issue was. However, if you have had the tablet for a year as you mentioned, you may already know the ins & outs of the hardware & software, hopefully minimizing its confounding influence. If it's a matter of doing them digitally or not doing them at all, obviously doing them digitally is better than not. If the insistence on physical media is stressing you, then just do them digitally. It's a strongly stated recommendation that is repeated often, but at the end of the day as long as you're improving through practice that's what matters. Learning a skill like art is a long-term endeavor that spans years. Find the way that works best for you. Being faster or slower at the start matters less than whether or not you can stick to it. If you do go digital though, as others have mentioned, don't use control z and set the line smoothing in your program to 0. Get rid of the shortcuts of digital and go about it as though you were using a pen.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g369gvr
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g35yzpy
| 1,598,647,305 | 1,598,642,390 | 25 | 17 |
Several replies, most don't address your concerns. The question remains. Why? Is the reason UNDO and line straightening as some suggest? OK, perfect, turn em off. I feel the pen and paper mentality is rather gate keepy, and kind of toxic. I switched to digital about a year ago, and my progress has been remarkable. Friends that are professional artists have voiced how impressed they are. I don't like spending money when I don't need to. I don't like material things I'm told I need for no reasons. I don't like expectations people follow because people follow them. So to a point, in construction people use power tools. Because they have a massive list of advantages. I have worked with old salt of the earth fellas who won't use "those expensive pieces of shit that make you lazy" and so on. Mechanics and car enthusiasts has grievance with computers in cars making the DIY repairs a much harder task, takes the task away from the tools. In kitchens, I've seen chefs cry and moan that a sous vide makes any fool seem talented. Demanding a real chef learns the old methods and the like. I could go on. Times change. There's no obligation to adopt new technology, there's no obligation to resist. I will continue using strictly digital devices for my artistic endeavours, if that means in the eyes of a purist I am inferior, I guess I won't expect them to like my work. C'est la vie.
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I also feel this way but i keep telling myself that whatever the media is, with enough work from ourselves, we can achieve great things. My goal is to get a strong fundation and finally be able to draw things i see in real life but also in my imagination. I don’t think the media can stop this
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g35w8w7
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g369gvr
| 1,598,641,089 | 1,598,647,305 | 13 | 25 |
If you're going to insist on digital tablets you should at least do all the exercises without the "undo feature". The point of the fine liners is that you cant erase it. It makes you better.
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Several replies, most don't address your concerns. The question remains. Why? Is the reason UNDO and line straightening as some suggest? OK, perfect, turn em off. I feel the pen and paper mentality is rather gate keepy, and kind of toxic. I switched to digital about a year ago, and my progress has been remarkable. Friends that are professional artists have voiced how impressed they are. I don't like spending money when I don't need to. I don't like material things I'm told I need for no reasons. I don't like expectations people follow because people follow them. So to a point, in construction people use power tools. Because they have a massive list of advantages. I have worked with old salt of the earth fellas who won't use "those expensive pieces of shit that make you lazy" and so on. Mechanics and car enthusiasts has grievance with computers in cars making the DIY repairs a much harder task, takes the task away from the tools. In kitchens, I've seen chefs cry and moan that a sous vide makes any fool seem talented. Demanding a real chef learns the old methods and the like. I could go on. Times change. There's no obligation to adopt new technology, there's no obligation to resist. I will continue using strictly digital devices for my artistic endeavours, if that means in the eyes of a purist I am inferior, I guess I won't expect them to like my work. C'est la vie.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g369gvr
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g3631zn
| 1,598,647,305 | 1,598,644,304 | 25 | 13 |
Several replies, most don't address your concerns. The question remains. Why? Is the reason UNDO and line straightening as some suggest? OK, perfect, turn em off. I feel the pen and paper mentality is rather gate keepy, and kind of toxic. I switched to digital about a year ago, and my progress has been remarkable. Friends that are professional artists have voiced how impressed they are. I don't like spending money when I don't need to. I don't like material things I'm told I need for no reasons. I don't like expectations people follow because people follow them. So to a point, in construction people use power tools. Because they have a massive list of advantages. I have worked with old salt of the earth fellas who won't use "those expensive pieces of shit that make you lazy" and so on. Mechanics and car enthusiasts has grievance with computers in cars making the DIY repairs a much harder task, takes the task away from the tools. In kitchens, I've seen chefs cry and moan that a sous vide makes any fool seem talented. Demanding a real chef learns the old methods and the like. I could go on. Times change. There's no obligation to adopt new technology, there's no obligation to resist. I will continue using strictly digital devices for my artistic endeavours, if that means in the eyes of a purist I am inferior, I guess I won't expect them to like my work. C'est la vie.
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It's a similar situation for me as well. I get that why creator (I don't know drawabox's creator's name) wants us to use fineliner pen, cause it's better and leaves a good mark (or whatever it's called, my english is not that good) but I just can't. Local currency lost all of it's value in Turkey and stores just don't sell fineliners, especially the ones in my small town. I could try buying them online but I just don't know if a set of fineliners would be any good for 10 Liras (thats like 1.4 dollars), they most likely would be of shitty quality. Tbh as a complete beginner whose drawing experience before was to make a square and triangle house, I am scared of the backlash I would get marked as ''criticism'' because I didn't get fineliners. I am scared of sharing my homework because they are done with a pencil. Also the ''Why not pencil?'' part: How exactly am I missing the point when I say I won't use the eraser? What's wrong with hiding your wastefulness you made to outside eyes when you are confident end result is satisfactory for yourself? He says inability to control the opacity of strokes forces to develop a finer sense of pressure and goes on about bringing strokes to life. What's holding me up from developing a sense of pressure with pencil, you know which leaves different kind of opacity depending on which way you draw (like sideways) or pressure unlike fineliners, and bringing strokes from a pencil to life? I watched a video in which they said about drawabox ''follow everything, don't change the rules to your liking'' or something of that sort. Just, why? I am literally trying to learn the most basics while I am getting told to use fineliners exclusively. I feel like a little brother playing a video game with his big brother watching and leading him through the game, but the big brother is trying to make the little one follow HIS playstyle in the EXACT manner. Give me the basics big bro and let me play with a mouse and keyboard instead of forcing me to play on a joystick. There, felt like a child while typing all of that. TL;DR: I can't buy a good enough fineliner in my locale, am scared of posting the work done because first thing people would say me to under criticism is to go buy a fineliner. Creator writes a full theorem paper on why ink and not pencil and in my head it doesn't clear anything while he explains the majesticity of fineliners for a full page citing confidence and whatnot.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g369gvr
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g3629xw
| 1,598,647,305 | 1,598,643,937 | 25 | 11 |
Several replies, most don't address your concerns. The question remains. Why? Is the reason UNDO and line straightening as some suggest? OK, perfect, turn em off. I feel the pen and paper mentality is rather gate keepy, and kind of toxic. I switched to digital about a year ago, and my progress has been remarkable. Friends that are professional artists have voiced how impressed they are. I don't like spending money when I don't need to. I don't like material things I'm told I need for no reasons. I don't like expectations people follow because people follow them. So to a point, in construction people use power tools. Because they have a massive list of advantages. I have worked with old salt of the earth fellas who won't use "those expensive pieces of shit that make you lazy" and so on. Mechanics and car enthusiasts has grievance with computers in cars making the DIY repairs a much harder task, takes the task away from the tools. In kitchens, I've seen chefs cry and moan that a sous vide makes any fool seem talented. Demanding a real chef learns the old methods and the like. I could go on. Times change. There's no obligation to adopt new technology, there's no obligation to resist. I will continue using strictly digital devices for my artistic endeavours, if that means in the eyes of a purist I am inferior, I guess I won't expect them to like my work. C'est la vie.
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I do it all digitally anyway and even if I draw on paper, I prefer 2mm leadholders to fineliners. I'm not ANTI fineliner but eh.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g369gvr
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g35vk17
| 1,598,647,305 | 1,598,640,761 | 25 | 8 |
Several replies, most don't address your concerns. The question remains. Why? Is the reason UNDO and line straightening as some suggest? OK, perfect, turn em off. I feel the pen and paper mentality is rather gate keepy, and kind of toxic. I switched to digital about a year ago, and my progress has been remarkable. Friends that are professional artists have voiced how impressed they are. I don't like spending money when I don't need to. I don't like material things I'm told I need for no reasons. I don't like expectations people follow because people follow them. So to a point, in construction people use power tools. Because they have a massive list of advantages. I have worked with old salt of the earth fellas who won't use "those expensive pieces of shit that make you lazy" and so on. Mechanics and car enthusiasts has grievance with computers in cars making the DIY repairs a much harder task, takes the task away from the tools. In kitchens, I've seen chefs cry and moan that a sous vide makes any fool seem talented. Demanding a real chef learns the old methods and the like. I could go on. Times change. There's no obligation to adopt new technology, there's no obligation to resist. I will continue using strictly digital devices for my artistic endeavours, if that means in the eyes of a purist I am inferior, I guess I won't expect them to like my work. C'est la vie.
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Ahah, I enjoyed your rant. Maybe just use pen/paper for the exercises strictly but draw for fun on the pad?
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g35y4vs
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g369gvr
| 1,598,641,985 | 1,598,647,305 | 7 | 25 |
They aren’t saying that digital media is bad, just that it isn’t effective for this course. Definitely continue doing your art-for-fun with your tablet, but you should use pen and paper for this class. You can’t undo with paper, so you learn how to be more accurate over time. You can’t turn line smoothing on with paper, so you know better what you need to work on. It’s just a better way to learn this material. By all means, when you do your warmups, you can do them with your tablet. But the homework should be done with pen and paper.
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Several replies, most don't address your concerns. The question remains. Why? Is the reason UNDO and line straightening as some suggest? OK, perfect, turn em off. I feel the pen and paper mentality is rather gate keepy, and kind of toxic. I switched to digital about a year ago, and my progress has been remarkable. Friends that are professional artists have voiced how impressed they are. I don't like spending money when I don't need to. I don't like material things I'm told I need for no reasons. I don't like expectations people follow because people follow them. So to a point, in construction people use power tools. Because they have a massive list of advantages. I have worked with old salt of the earth fellas who won't use "those expensive pieces of shit that make you lazy" and so on. Mechanics and car enthusiasts has grievance with computers in cars making the DIY repairs a much harder task, takes the task away from the tools. In kitchens, I've seen chefs cry and moan that a sous vide makes any fool seem talented. Demanding a real chef learns the old methods and the like. I could go on. Times change. There's no obligation to adopt new technology, there's no obligation to resist. I will continue using strictly digital devices for my artistic endeavours, if that means in the eyes of a purist I am inferior, I guess I won't expect them to like my work. C'est la vie.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g369iic
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personally have gotten some shit from certain people in the past exactly because ive chosen to do it digitally. Ive found myself to work way faster than the people who do it physically and ive improven way more rapidly compared to them. Honestly dont care what anyone says at this point, i get the whole concept of building confidence and not backing out of your mistakes, but id rather make 500 mistakes and hit undo and try again and build muscle memory than do fiddle around for 10 minutes ghosting every single line and then hit a clean stroke. However ive allocated myself 2 months to finish a certain amount of lessons. So if i can skip time i will.
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Hi, I've completed the course and did it entirely in pen and paid for critique, where it's a strict requirement. The course is not easy in pen by any means and I understand why people baulk at it. I'm glad I did it because now that I've transitioned to almost exclusively digital, I find myself undoing a lot even still. The skills transferred from what I learnt on paper and my lines are confident and generally accurate but I've still got that digital muscle memory of undo, no matter what I do on my tablet. Sometimes I'll try hitting the undo button on stuff I do on paper. It's just so ingrained in our brains it's nearly impossible to shake. Drawabox is just as much about ingraining a good habit of confidence and muscle memory as it is about making you think before you draw a line. When you undo and redo, you're not really taking the time to really plan it out. As a fellow millennial, I switch between paper and my tablet a lot. I work in IT so creating on a screen is something I do all day every day and drawing on paper reminds me of being a kid and the internet not yet taking over the world. I remember drawing on that weird dot matrix printer paper with the hole punched edges that you could tear off because my parents had boxes of it. Which brings me to my next point, if you wanted to get more out of it while still following the spirit of the rules, you could use a ballpoint and printer paper. You probably have both floating around somewhere, if not the printer paper is usually around $3-5 for a ream and ballpoint a few cents.
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