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k0t1lt
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Has anyone tried doing lessons on Remarkable tablet yet? How did it go? I’m awaiting my RM2 writing tablet and first thing I wanna try is to do ArtFundamentals lessons on it. I know some people have already tried it with iPad but I guess RM2 experience will be different. Any thoughts?
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gdkq1by
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gdkza9a
| 1,606,327,383 | 1,606,331,921 | 6 | 14 |
Hey ! I hope you'll enjoy using your new tablet ! Drawabox however stricly discourages student (your homework will also not be accepted) from using a medium other than ink and paper (pen for the last lesson). You can check out this article that details this decision: https://drawabox.com/article/ink Also that doesn't mean you can't have fun with a tablet ;) EDIT: when talking about the homework I was talking about official feedback not the community one
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There is no reason you *can't* do the lessons in the Remarkable tablet. However, a lot of the same things that apply to an iPad or a graphics tablet that Uncomfortable has mentioned in *Why not digital?* will also apply to the RM2. One of the bad habits that Drawabox a.k.a. r/ArtFundamentals has helped me fix is perfectionism. *Every line doesn't have to be perfect.* Since the lessons are recommended to be done with pen, there's no going back if you make a mistake. In conjunction with having to make your lines quickly and accurately, this will make huge improvements in your line quality with time and practice. However, with the RM2 and any other digital medium, there is no sense of permanence. Even if you faithfully never press undo, the fact that you *can* undo substantially decreases the stakes in each line you make. Also, there's no physical aspect either. After finishing the 250 Box Challenge, it was so satisfying to be able to hold a whole stack of more than sixty pages of work. There isn't really really the same thing with digital in terms of seeing your progress through the lessons. If you're going to use the RM2 for the lessons, what I'd recommend is using a hybrid approach. Do the required homework pages for submission using fineliner and paper as recommended, and then once you feel confident in an exercise you can practice it further on the RM2. Please don't feel discouraged from using the RM2 though, it's just that there are good reasons to go through the lessons traditionally, even if for yourself you will be working digitally. Please take this with a grain of salt, though. There are plenty of people who have gone through Drawabox purely digitally, but as u/zak_mayass has said, digital submissions for official feedback aren't allowed, but even for community feedback they're strongly discouraged. Anyhow, good luck with Drawabox and the Remarkable 2! I've been interested in it for a while, and I'm curious to hear how it works for drawing.
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ivaz3e
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
Am I drawing too slow? (250 boxs) I started doing the 250 box challenge a week or two ago, but I feel like I'm not making enough progress. It's not uncommon for a single box to take 10-15 minutes, but I'm trying my best to get all the lines to converge and to put line weight without fraying. For reference, box 19 took me 7.5 seconds while box 18 took 20 because I was confused on how to get the left side right. Should I prioritize speed or accuracy with this exercise, and am I going too slow? https://imgur.com/a/MATXgcx
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g5s2jsm
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g5rmcw6
| 1,600,486,756 | 1,600,478,899 | 20 | 18 |
I think it can be a good idea to draw slowly at times, especially when you are learning how to draw something new. However, there is also enormous value in learning how to draw with speed. There are several reasons for this but, to my mind, there are three in particular that are paramount: 1. Avoiding burnout. 2. Squeezing in more practice. 3. Getting better at gesture and flow; basically, learning how to avoid overthinking and overworking your art. When you attend a life drawing session, they will typically have you practice both fast drawing and slow drawing. They usually start with warm-ups (e.g., 1-minute sketches), and then gradually work up to longer and longer sessions (typically ending with a 15-minute or 30-minute pose). The quick gesture drawings really help you loosen up, so that your final piece is nice and fluid. If you jump right in to a longer pose, it tends to come out rather stiff-looking. This may not translate super well to drawing boxes, but it's a good thing to keep in mind; you *do* really want to practice drawing with some speed, because that will help you make more lively drawings later when you're trying to capture more organic forms. But you do also want to practice accuracy, because that will help you learn anatomy/perspective/etc. later on. I'd recommend practicing both, and then try to converge on a point where you can draw quickly *and* accurately at the same time.
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There's speed drawing excersises out there. Sometimes they'll do that in art classes, try drawing the same thing with more or less amounts of time on the clock. Start with 7, then 3, then 1½, 30s, 5s. :p A lot of people in this thread are saying take as much time as you need, and patience ia a virtue, but I think that being able to draw faster is in fact a very desirable trait and will help you with longevity/hobby retention. If your getting upset with yourself a lot because it takes you so long to produce something, that's not a good thing and there's solutions besides just acceptance.
| 1 | 7,857 | 1.111111 | ||
ivaz3e
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
Am I drawing too slow? (250 boxs) I started doing the 250 box challenge a week or two ago, but I feel like I'm not making enough progress. It's not uncommon for a single box to take 10-15 minutes, but I'm trying my best to get all the lines to converge and to put line weight without fraying. For reference, box 19 took me 7.5 seconds while box 18 took 20 because I was confused on how to get the left side right. Should I prioritize speed or accuracy with this exercise, and am I going too slow? https://imgur.com/a/MATXgcx
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g5s2jsm
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g5r7k0e
| 1,600,486,756 | 1,600,470,863 | 20 | 12 |
I think it can be a good idea to draw slowly at times, especially when you are learning how to draw something new. However, there is also enormous value in learning how to draw with speed. There are several reasons for this but, to my mind, there are three in particular that are paramount: 1. Avoiding burnout. 2. Squeezing in more practice. 3. Getting better at gesture and flow; basically, learning how to avoid overthinking and overworking your art. When you attend a life drawing session, they will typically have you practice both fast drawing and slow drawing. They usually start with warm-ups (e.g., 1-minute sketches), and then gradually work up to longer and longer sessions (typically ending with a 15-minute or 30-minute pose). The quick gesture drawings really help you loosen up, so that your final piece is nice and fluid. If you jump right in to a longer pose, it tends to come out rather stiff-looking. This may not translate super well to drawing boxes, but it's a good thing to keep in mind; you *do* really want to practice drawing with some speed, because that will help you make more lively drawings later when you're trying to capture more organic forms. But you do also want to practice accuracy, because that will help you learn anatomy/perspective/etc. later on. I'd recommend practicing both, and then try to converge on a point where you can draw quickly *and* accurately at the same time.
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Better to go slow and get it right than too fast and get it wrong. Speed is built with time and you should shoot for accuracy and draftsmanship, especially as a beginner. Good job they’re looking great!!!
| 1 | 15,893 | 1.666667 | ||
ivaz3e
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
Am I drawing too slow? (250 boxs) I started doing the 250 box challenge a week or two ago, but I feel like I'm not making enough progress. It's not uncommon for a single box to take 10-15 minutes, but I'm trying my best to get all the lines to converge and to put line weight without fraying. For reference, box 19 took me 7.5 seconds while box 18 took 20 because I was confused on how to get the left side right. Should I prioritize speed or accuracy with this exercise, and am I going too slow? https://imgur.com/a/MATXgcx
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g5s2jsm
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g5qf841
| 1,600,486,756 | 1,600,457,463 | 20 | 11 |
I think it can be a good idea to draw slowly at times, especially when you are learning how to draw something new. However, there is also enormous value in learning how to draw with speed. There are several reasons for this but, to my mind, there are three in particular that are paramount: 1. Avoiding burnout. 2. Squeezing in more practice. 3. Getting better at gesture and flow; basically, learning how to avoid overthinking and overworking your art. When you attend a life drawing session, they will typically have you practice both fast drawing and slow drawing. They usually start with warm-ups (e.g., 1-minute sketches), and then gradually work up to longer and longer sessions (typically ending with a 15-minute or 30-minute pose). The quick gesture drawings really help you loosen up, so that your final piece is nice and fluid. If you jump right in to a longer pose, it tends to come out rather stiff-looking. This may not translate super well to drawing boxes, but it's a good thing to keep in mind; you *do* really want to practice drawing with some speed, because that will help you make more lively drawings later when you're trying to capture more organic forms. But you do also want to practice accuracy, because that will help you learn anatomy/perspective/etc. later on. I'd recommend practicing both, and then try to converge on a point where you can draw quickly *and* accurately at the same time.
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Always prioritize accuracy and consistency with this exercise. Getting better at something will take time and this exercise definitely teaches you that. Even near the end of my 250 box challenge it was taking me ~30 min to do a page of boxes (5 total) which was faster than when I first started. tl;dr don't get too caught up on feeling "slow".
| 1 | 29,293 | 1.818182 | ||
ivaz3e
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
Am I drawing too slow? (250 boxs) I started doing the 250 box challenge a week or two ago, but I feel like I'm not making enough progress. It's not uncommon for a single box to take 10-15 minutes, but I'm trying my best to get all the lines to converge and to put line weight without fraying. For reference, box 19 took me 7.5 seconds while box 18 took 20 because I was confused on how to get the left side right. Should I prioritize speed or accuracy with this exercise, and am I going too slow? https://imgur.com/a/MATXgcx
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g5s0off
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g5s2jsm
| 1,600,485,609 | 1,600,486,756 | 8 | 20 |
Draw at your own pace, but let go. Don't over-think. Just do. The faster you fail, the faster you learn. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDjrOaoHz9s&ab\_channel=ExtraCredits
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I think it can be a good idea to draw slowly at times, especially when you are learning how to draw something new. However, there is also enormous value in learning how to draw with speed. There are several reasons for this but, to my mind, there are three in particular that are paramount: 1. Avoiding burnout. 2. Squeezing in more practice. 3. Getting better at gesture and flow; basically, learning how to avoid overthinking and overworking your art. When you attend a life drawing session, they will typically have you practice both fast drawing and slow drawing. They usually start with warm-ups (e.g., 1-minute sketches), and then gradually work up to longer and longer sessions (typically ending with a 15-minute or 30-minute pose). The quick gesture drawings really help you loosen up, so that your final piece is nice and fluid. If you jump right in to a longer pose, it tends to come out rather stiff-looking. This may not translate super well to drawing boxes, but it's a good thing to keep in mind; you *do* really want to practice drawing with some speed, because that will help you make more lively drawings later when you're trying to capture more organic forms. But you do also want to practice accuracy, because that will help you learn anatomy/perspective/etc. later on. I'd recommend practicing both, and then try to converge on a point where you can draw quickly *and* accurately at the same time.
| 0 | 1,147 | 2.5 | ||
ivaz3e
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
Am I drawing too slow? (250 boxs) I started doing the 250 box challenge a week or two ago, but I feel like I'm not making enough progress. It's not uncommon for a single box to take 10-15 minutes, but I'm trying my best to get all the lines to converge and to put line weight without fraying. For reference, box 19 took me 7.5 seconds while box 18 took 20 because I was confused on how to get the left side right. Should I prioritize speed or accuracy with this exercise, and am I going too slow? https://imgur.com/a/MATXgcx
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g5qdz8g
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g5s2jsm
| 1,600,456,805 | 1,600,486,756 | 4 | 20 |
There is no "going too slow" with draw a box as long as that slowness is due to pailying close atention and learning as much as posible. THIS IS NOT A RACE. Take as long as you need speed is not always good. This course is for your own development as an artist and you get as much as you put into it. You put time and concentration and you get great results, you rush to the finish line and you get rushed results. Take your time, it takes time for information and skills to be absorbed and asimilated, so dont sweat over taking "too long", ther is no such thing.
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I think it can be a good idea to draw slowly at times, especially when you are learning how to draw something new. However, there is also enormous value in learning how to draw with speed. There are several reasons for this but, to my mind, there are three in particular that are paramount: 1. Avoiding burnout. 2. Squeezing in more practice. 3. Getting better at gesture and flow; basically, learning how to avoid overthinking and overworking your art. When you attend a life drawing session, they will typically have you practice both fast drawing and slow drawing. They usually start with warm-ups (e.g., 1-minute sketches), and then gradually work up to longer and longer sessions (typically ending with a 15-minute or 30-minute pose). The quick gesture drawings really help you loosen up, so that your final piece is nice and fluid. If you jump right in to a longer pose, it tends to come out rather stiff-looking. This may not translate super well to drawing boxes, but it's a good thing to keep in mind; you *do* really want to practice drawing with some speed, because that will help you make more lively drawings later when you're trying to capture more organic forms. But you do also want to practice accuracy, because that will help you learn anatomy/perspective/etc. later on. I'd recommend practicing both, and then try to converge on a point where you can draw quickly *and* accurately at the same time.
| 0 | 29,951 | 5 | ||
ivaz3e
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
Am I drawing too slow? (250 boxs) I started doing the 250 box challenge a week or two ago, but I feel like I'm not making enough progress. It's not uncommon for a single box to take 10-15 minutes, but I'm trying my best to get all the lines to converge and to put line weight without fraying. For reference, box 19 took me 7.5 seconds while box 18 took 20 because I was confused on how to get the left side right. Should I prioritize speed or accuracy with this exercise, and am I going too slow? https://imgur.com/a/MATXgcx
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g5s2jsm
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g5qphuy
| 1,600,486,756 | 1,600,462,177 | 20 | 1 |
I think it can be a good idea to draw slowly at times, especially when you are learning how to draw something new. However, there is also enormous value in learning how to draw with speed. There are several reasons for this but, to my mind, there are three in particular that are paramount: 1. Avoiding burnout. 2. Squeezing in more practice. 3. Getting better at gesture and flow; basically, learning how to avoid overthinking and overworking your art. When you attend a life drawing session, they will typically have you practice both fast drawing and slow drawing. They usually start with warm-ups (e.g., 1-minute sketches), and then gradually work up to longer and longer sessions (typically ending with a 15-minute or 30-minute pose). The quick gesture drawings really help you loosen up, so that your final piece is nice and fluid. If you jump right in to a longer pose, it tends to come out rather stiff-looking. This may not translate super well to drawing boxes, but it's a good thing to keep in mind; you *do* really want to practice drawing with some speed, because that will help you make more lively drawings later when you're trying to capture more organic forms. But you do also want to practice accuracy, because that will help you learn anatomy/perspective/etc. later on. I'd recommend practicing both, and then try to converge on a point where you can draw quickly *and* accurately at the same time.
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Could someone link the lessons please, I lost it
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ivaz3e
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
Am I drawing too slow? (250 boxs) I started doing the 250 box challenge a week or two ago, but I feel like I'm not making enough progress. It's not uncommon for a single box to take 10-15 minutes, but I'm trying my best to get all the lines to converge and to put line weight without fraying. For reference, box 19 took me 7.5 seconds while box 18 took 20 because I was confused on how to get the left side right. Should I prioritize speed or accuracy with this exercise, and am I going too slow? https://imgur.com/a/MATXgcx
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g5r7k0e
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g5rmcw6
| 1,600,470,863 | 1,600,478,899 | 12 | 18 |
Better to go slow and get it right than too fast and get it wrong. Speed is built with time and you should shoot for accuracy and draftsmanship, especially as a beginner. Good job they’re looking great!!!
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There's speed drawing excersises out there. Sometimes they'll do that in art classes, try drawing the same thing with more or less amounts of time on the clock. Start with 7, then 3, then 1½, 30s, 5s. :p A lot of people in this thread are saying take as much time as you need, and patience ia a virtue, but I think that being able to draw faster is in fact a very desirable trait and will help you with longevity/hobby retention. If your getting upset with yourself a lot because it takes you so long to produce something, that's not a good thing and there's solutions besides just acceptance.
| 0 | 8,036 | 1.5 | ||
ivaz3e
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
Am I drawing too slow? (250 boxs) I started doing the 250 box challenge a week or two ago, but I feel like I'm not making enough progress. It's not uncommon for a single box to take 10-15 minutes, but I'm trying my best to get all the lines to converge and to put line weight without fraying. For reference, box 19 took me 7.5 seconds while box 18 took 20 because I was confused on how to get the left side right. Should I prioritize speed or accuracy with this exercise, and am I going too slow? https://imgur.com/a/MATXgcx
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g5rmcw6
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g5qf841
| 1,600,478,899 | 1,600,457,463 | 18 | 11 |
There's speed drawing excersises out there. Sometimes they'll do that in art classes, try drawing the same thing with more or less amounts of time on the clock. Start with 7, then 3, then 1½, 30s, 5s. :p A lot of people in this thread are saying take as much time as you need, and patience ia a virtue, but I think that being able to draw faster is in fact a very desirable trait and will help you with longevity/hobby retention. If your getting upset with yourself a lot because it takes you so long to produce something, that's not a good thing and there's solutions besides just acceptance.
|
Always prioritize accuracy and consistency with this exercise. Getting better at something will take time and this exercise definitely teaches you that. Even near the end of my 250 box challenge it was taking me ~30 min to do a page of boxes (5 total) which was faster than when I first started. tl;dr don't get too caught up on feeling "slow".
| 1 | 21,436 | 1.636364 | ||
ivaz3e
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
Am I drawing too slow? (250 boxs) I started doing the 250 box challenge a week or two ago, but I feel like I'm not making enough progress. It's not uncommon for a single box to take 10-15 minutes, but I'm trying my best to get all the lines to converge and to put line weight without fraying. For reference, box 19 took me 7.5 seconds while box 18 took 20 because I was confused on how to get the left side right. Should I prioritize speed or accuracy with this exercise, and am I going too slow? https://imgur.com/a/MATXgcx
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g5rmcw6
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g5qdz8g
| 1,600,478,899 | 1,600,456,805 | 18 | 4 |
There's speed drawing excersises out there. Sometimes they'll do that in art classes, try drawing the same thing with more or less amounts of time on the clock. Start with 7, then 3, then 1½, 30s, 5s. :p A lot of people in this thread are saying take as much time as you need, and patience ia a virtue, but I think that being able to draw faster is in fact a very desirable trait and will help you with longevity/hobby retention. If your getting upset with yourself a lot because it takes you so long to produce something, that's not a good thing and there's solutions besides just acceptance.
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There is no "going too slow" with draw a box as long as that slowness is due to pailying close atention and learning as much as posible. THIS IS NOT A RACE. Take as long as you need speed is not always good. This course is for your own development as an artist and you get as much as you put into it. You put time and concentration and you get great results, you rush to the finish line and you get rushed results. Take your time, it takes time for information and skills to be absorbed and asimilated, so dont sweat over taking "too long", ther is no such thing.
| 1 | 22,094 | 4.5 | ||
ivaz3e
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
Am I drawing too slow? (250 boxs) I started doing the 250 box challenge a week or two ago, but I feel like I'm not making enough progress. It's not uncommon for a single box to take 10-15 minutes, but I'm trying my best to get all the lines to converge and to put line weight without fraying. For reference, box 19 took me 7.5 seconds while box 18 took 20 because I was confused on how to get the left side right. Should I prioritize speed or accuracy with this exercise, and am I going too slow? https://imgur.com/a/MATXgcx
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g5rmcw6
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g5qphuy
| 1,600,478,899 | 1,600,462,177 | 18 | 1 |
There's speed drawing excersises out there. Sometimes they'll do that in art classes, try drawing the same thing with more or less amounts of time on the clock. Start with 7, then 3, then 1½, 30s, 5s. :p A lot of people in this thread are saying take as much time as you need, and patience ia a virtue, but I think that being able to draw faster is in fact a very desirable trait and will help you with longevity/hobby retention. If your getting upset with yourself a lot because it takes you so long to produce something, that's not a good thing and there's solutions besides just acceptance.
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Could someone link the lessons please, I lost it
| 1 | 16,722 | 18 | ||
ivaz3e
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
Am I drawing too slow? (250 boxs) I started doing the 250 box challenge a week or two ago, but I feel like I'm not making enough progress. It's not uncommon for a single box to take 10-15 minutes, but I'm trying my best to get all the lines to converge and to put line weight without fraying. For reference, box 19 took me 7.5 seconds while box 18 took 20 because I was confused on how to get the left side right. Should I prioritize speed or accuracy with this exercise, and am I going too slow? https://imgur.com/a/MATXgcx
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g5qf841
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g5r7k0e
| 1,600,457,463 | 1,600,470,863 | 11 | 12 |
Always prioritize accuracy and consistency with this exercise. Getting better at something will take time and this exercise definitely teaches you that. Even near the end of my 250 box challenge it was taking me ~30 min to do a page of boxes (5 total) which was faster than when I first started. tl;dr don't get too caught up on feeling "slow".
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Better to go slow and get it right than too fast and get it wrong. Speed is built with time and you should shoot for accuracy and draftsmanship, especially as a beginner. Good job they’re looking great!!!
| 0 | 13,400 | 1.090909 | ||
ivaz3e
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
Am I drawing too slow? (250 boxs) I started doing the 250 box challenge a week or two ago, but I feel like I'm not making enough progress. It's not uncommon for a single box to take 10-15 minutes, but I'm trying my best to get all the lines to converge and to put line weight without fraying. For reference, box 19 took me 7.5 seconds while box 18 took 20 because I was confused on how to get the left side right. Should I prioritize speed or accuracy with this exercise, and am I going too slow? https://imgur.com/a/MATXgcx
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g5qdz8g
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g5r7k0e
| 1,600,456,805 | 1,600,470,863 | 4 | 12 |
There is no "going too slow" with draw a box as long as that slowness is due to pailying close atention and learning as much as posible. THIS IS NOT A RACE. Take as long as you need speed is not always good. This course is for your own development as an artist and you get as much as you put into it. You put time and concentration and you get great results, you rush to the finish line and you get rushed results. Take your time, it takes time for information and skills to be absorbed and asimilated, so dont sweat over taking "too long", ther is no such thing.
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Better to go slow and get it right than too fast and get it wrong. Speed is built with time and you should shoot for accuracy and draftsmanship, especially as a beginner. Good job they’re looking great!!!
| 0 | 14,058 | 3 | ||
ivaz3e
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
Am I drawing too slow? (250 boxs) I started doing the 250 box challenge a week or two ago, but I feel like I'm not making enough progress. It's not uncommon for a single box to take 10-15 minutes, but I'm trying my best to get all the lines to converge and to put line weight without fraying. For reference, box 19 took me 7.5 seconds while box 18 took 20 because I was confused on how to get the left side right. Should I prioritize speed or accuracy with this exercise, and am I going too slow? https://imgur.com/a/MATXgcx
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g5qphuy
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g5r7k0e
| 1,600,462,177 | 1,600,470,863 | 1 | 12 |
Could someone link the lessons please, I lost it
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Better to go slow and get it right than too fast and get it wrong. Speed is built with time and you should shoot for accuracy and draftsmanship, especially as a beginner. Good job they’re looking great!!!
| 0 | 8,686 | 12 | ||
ivaz3e
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
Am I drawing too slow? (250 boxs) I started doing the 250 box challenge a week or two ago, but I feel like I'm not making enough progress. It's not uncommon for a single box to take 10-15 minutes, but I'm trying my best to get all the lines to converge and to put line weight without fraying. For reference, box 19 took me 7.5 seconds while box 18 took 20 because I was confused on how to get the left side right. Should I prioritize speed or accuracy with this exercise, and am I going too slow? https://imgur.com/a/MATXgcx
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g5qf841
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g5qdz8g
| 1,600,457,463 | 1,600,456,805 | 11 | 4 |
Always prioritize accuracy and consistency with this exercise. Getting better at something will take time and this exercise definitely teaches you that. Even near the end of my 250 box challenge it was taking me ~30 min to do a page of boxes (5 total) which was faster than when I first started. tl;dr don't get too caught up on feeling "slow".
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There is no "going too slow" with draw a box as long as that slowness is due to pailying close atention and learning as much as posible. THIS IS NOT A RACE. Take as long as you need speed is not always good. This course is for your own development as an artist and you get as much as you put into it. You put time and concentration and you get great results, you rush to the finish line and you get rushed results. Take your time, it takes time for information and skills to be absorbed and asimilated, so dont sweat over taking "too long", ther is no such thing.
| 1 | 658 | 2.75 | ||
ivaz3e
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
Am I drawing too slow? (250 boxs) I started doing the 250 box challenge a week or two ago, but I feel like I'm not making enough progress. It's not uncommon for a single box to take 10-15 minutes, but I'm trying my best to get all the lines to converge and to put line weight without fraying. For reference, box 19 took me 7.5 seconds while box 18 took 20 because I was confused on how to get the left side right. Should I prioritize speed or accuracy with this exercise, and am I going too slow? https://imgur.com/a/MATXgcx
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g5qdz8g
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g5s0off
| 1,600,456,805 | 1,600,485,609 | 4 | 8 |
There is no "going too slow" with draw a box as long as that slowness is due to pailying close atention and learning as much as posible. THIS IS NOT A RACE. Take as long as you need speed is not always good. This course is for your own development as an artist and you get as much as you put into it. You put time and concentration and you get great results, you rush to the finish line and you get rushed results. Take your time, it takes time for information and skills to be absorbed and asimilated, so dont sweat over taking "too long", ther is no such thing.
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Draw at your own pace, but let go. Don't over-think. Just do. The faster you fail, the faster you learn. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDjrOaoHz9s&ab\_channel=ExtraCredits
| 0 | 28,804 | 2 | ||
ivaz3e
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
Am I drawing too slow? (250 boxs) I started doing the 250 box challenge a week or two ago, but I feel like I'm not making enough progress. It's not uncommon for a single box to take 10-15 minutes, but I'm trying my best to get all the lines to converge and to put line weight without fraying. For reference, box 19 took me 7.5 seconds while box 18 took 20 because I was confused on how to get the left side right. Should I prioritize speed or accuracy with this exercise, and am I going too slow? https://imgur.com/a/MATXgcx
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g5qphuy
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g5s0off
| 1,600,462,177 | 1,600,485,609 | 1 | 8 |
Could someone link the lessons please, I lost it
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Draw at your own pace, but let go. Don't over-think. Just do. The faster you fail, the faster you learn. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDjrOaoHz9s&ab\_channel=ExtraCredits
| 0 | 23,432 | 8 | ||
ivaz3e
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
Am I drawing too slow? (250 boxs) I started doing the 250 box challenge a week or two ago, but I feel like I'm not making enough progress. It's not uncommon for a single box to take 10-15 minutes, but I'm trying my best to get all the lines to converge and to put line weight without fraying. For reference, box 19 took me 7.5 seconds while box 18 took 20 because I was confused on how to get the left side right. Should I prioritize speed or accuracy with this exercise, and am I going too slow? https://imgur.com/a/MATXgcx
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g5suu2o
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g5tsalh
| 1,600,510,636 | 1,600,530,443 | 5 | 8 |
Took me 2 or 3 months to finish, you're fine
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It's more important to learn from mistakes, gaining a deeper understanding of what you're doing than to set a deadline. I've got 92 boxes to go and it's been over 4 months. I also practice other stuff as well as drawing for fun. No rush, really.
| 0 | 19,807 | 1.6 | ||
ivaz3e
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
Am I drawing too slow? (250 boxs) I started doing the 250 box challenge a week or two ago, but I feel like I'm not making enough progress. It's not uncommon for a single box to take 10-15 minutes, but I'm trying my best to get all the lines to converge and to put line weight without fraying. For reference, box 19 took me 7.5 seconds while box 18 took 20 because I was confused on how to get the left side right. Should I prioritize speed or accuracy with this exercise, and am I going too slow? https://imgur.com/a/MATXgcx
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g5tsalh
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g5t93hw
| 1,600,530,443 | 1,600,522,014 | 8 | 6 |
It's more important to learn from mistakes, gaining a deeper understanding of what you're doing than to set a deadline. I've got 92 boxes to go and it's been over 4 months. I also practice other stuff as well as drawing for fun. No rush, really.
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No, take your time.
| 1 | 8,429 | 1.333333 | ||
ivaz3e
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
Am I drawing too slow? (250 boxs) I started doing the 250 box challenge a week or two ago, but I feel like I'm not making enough progress. It's not uncommon for a single box to take 10-15 minutes, but I'm trying my best to get all the lines to converge and to put line weight without fraying. For reference, box 19 took me 7.5 seconds while box 18 took 20 because I was confused on how to get the left side right. Should I prioritize speed or accuracy with this exercise, and am I going too slow? https://imgur.com/a/MATXgcx
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g5tsalh
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g5qdz8g
| 1,600,530,443 | 1,600,456,805 | 8 | 4 |
It's more important to learn from mistakes, gaining a deeper understanding of what you're doing than to set a deadline. I've got 92 boxes to go and it's been over 4 months. I also practice other stuff as well as drawing for fun. No rush, really.
|
There is no "going too slow" with draw a box as long as that slowness is due to pailying close atention and learning as much as posible. THIS IS NOT A RACE. Take as long as you need speed is not always good. This course is for your own development as an artist and you get as much as you put into it. You put time and concentration and you get great results, you rush to the finish line and you get rushed results. Take your time, it takes time for information and skills to be absorbed and asimilated, so dont sweat over taking "too long", ther is no such thing.
| 1 | 73,638 | 2 | ||
ivaz3e
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
Am I drawing too slow? (250 boxs) I started doing the 250 box challenge a week or two ago, but I feel like I'm not making enough progress. It's not uncommon for a single box to take 10-15 minutes, but I'm trying my best to get all the lines to converge and to put line weight without fraying. For reference, box 19 took me 7.5 seconds while box 18 took 20 because I was confused on how to get the left side right. Should I prioritize speed or accuracy with this exercise, and am I going too slow? https://imgur.com/a/MATXgcx
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g5t1y2w
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g5tsalh
| 1,600,518,082 | 1,600,530,443 | 4 | 8 |
Another approach that I find very helpful (I'm on box 167) is to draw the same box multiple times in a row. Start with the exact same Y. Do a box fairly quickly (under one minute), then get out your ruler and extend the lines. What doesn't look right? Do it again, again under a minute, and this time you know if you put THIS dot HERE what the result would be. So adjust it. Finish your box, rule the lines, have a look at the result. Do it again. Do each box 5-6 times this way - it doesn't need to be perfect, you just need your grey matter processing the results. Then do a different Y.
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It's more important to learn from mistakes, gaining a deeper understanding of what you're doing than to set a deadline. I've got 92 boxes to go and it's been over 4 months. I also practice other stuff as well as drawing for fun. No rush, really.
| 0 | 12,361 | 2 | ||
ivaz3e
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
Am I drawing too slow? (250 boxs) I started doing the 250 box challenge a week or two ago, but I feel like I'm not making enough progress. It's not uncommon for a single box to take 10-15 minutes, but I'm trying my best to get all the lines to converge and to put line weight without fraying. For reference, box 19 took me 7.5 seconds while box 18 took 20 because I was confused on how to get the left side right. Should I prioritize speed or accuracy with this exercise, and am I going too slow? https://imgur.com/a/MATXgcx
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g5tsalh
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g5tioyl
| 1,600,530,443 | 1,600,526,337 | 8 | 4 |
It's more important to learn from mistakes, gaining a deeper understanding of what you're doing than to set a deadline. I've got 92 boxes to go and it's been over 4 months. I also practice other stuff as well as drawing for fun. No rush, really.
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Take your time, you'll get faster the more you do it. Don't rush. Once you get familiar with how the perspective of the box works you'll be able to just breeze through them. That's what the exercise is for.
| 1 | 4,106 | 2 | ||
ivaz3e
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
Am I drawing too slow? (250 boxs) I started doing the 250 box challenge a week or two ago, but I feel like I'm not making enough progress. It's not uncommon for a single box to take 10-15 minutes, but I'm trying my best to get all the lines to converge and to put line weight without fraying. For reference, box 19 took me 7.5 seconds while box 18 took 20 because I was confused on how to get the left side right. Should I prioritize speed or accuracy with this exercise, and am I going too slow? https://imgur.com/a/MATXgcx
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g5tolwb
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g5tsalh
| 1,600,528,757 | 1,600,530,443 | 2 | 8 |
How does it take 10-15 minutes to draw a single? What is the time spent on?
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It's more important to learn from mistakes, gaining a deeper understanding of what you're doing than to set a deadline. I've got 92 boxes to go and it's been over 4 months. I also practice other stuff as well as drawing for fun. No rush, really.
| 0 | 1,686 | 4 | ||
ivaz3e
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
Am I drawing too slow? (250 boxs) I started doing the 250 box challenge a week or two ago, but I feel like I'm not making enough progress. It's not uncommon for a single box to take 10-15 minutes, but I'm trying my best to get all the lines to converge and to put line weight without fraying. For reference, box 19 took me 7.5 seconds while box 18 took 20 because I was confused on how to get the left side right. Should I prioritize speed or accuracy with this exercise, and am I going too slow? https://imgur.com/a/MATXgcx
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g5tsalh
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g5qphuy
| 1,600,530,443 | 1,600,462,177 | 8 | 1 |
It's more important to learn from mistakes, gaining a deeper understanding of what you're doing than to set a deadline. I've got 92 boxes to go and it's been over 4 months. I also practice other stuff as well as drawing for fun. No rush, really.
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Could someone link the lessons please, I lost it
| 1 | 68,266 | 8 | ||
ivaz3e
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
Am I drawing too slow? (250 boxs) I started doing the 250 box challenge a week or two ago, but I feel like I'm not making enough progress. It's not uncommon for a single box to take 10-15 minutes, but I'm trying my best to get all the lines to converge and to put line weight without fraying. For reference, box 19 took me 7.5 seconds while box 18 took 20 because I was confused on how to get the left side right. Should I prioritize speed or accuracy with this exercise, and am I going too slow? https://imgur.com/a/MATXgcx
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g5t93hw
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g5suu2o
| 1,600,522,014 | 1,600,510,636 | 6 | 5 |
No, take your time.
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Took me 2 or 3 months to finish, you're fine
| 1 | 11,378 | 1.2 | ||
ivaz3e
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
Am I drawing too slow? (250 boxs) I started doing the 250 box challenge a week or two ago, but I feel like I'm not making enough progress. It's not uncommon for a single box to take 10-15 minutes, but I'm trying my best to get all the lines to converge and to put line weight without fraying. For reference, box 19 took me 7.5 seconds while box 18 took 20 because I was confused on how to get the left side right. Should I prioritize speed or accuracy with this exercise, and am I going too slow? https://imgur.com/a/MATXgcx
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g5qdz8g
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g5suu2o
| 1,600,456,805 | 1,600,510,636 | 4 | 5 |
There is no "going too slow" with draw a box as long as that slowness is due to pailying close atention and learning as much as posible. THIS IS NOT A RACE. Take as long as you need speed is not always good. This course is for your own development as an artist and you get as much as you put into it. You put time and concentration and you get great results, you rush to the finish line and you get rushed results. Take your time, it takes time for information and skills to be absorbed and asimilated, so dont sweat over taking "too long", ther is no such thing.
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Took me 2 or 3 months to finish, you're fine
| 0 | 53,831 | 1.25 | ||
ivaz3e
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
Am I drawing too slow? (250 boxs) I started doing the 250 box challenge a week or two ago, but I feel like I'm not making enough progress. It's not uncommon for a single box to take 10-15 minutes, but I'm trying my best to get all the lines to converge and to put line weight without fraying. For reference, box 19 took me 7.5 seconds while box 18 took 20 because I was confused on how to get the left side right. Should I prioritize speed or accuracy with this exercise, and am I going too slow? https://imgur.com/a/MATXgcx
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g5qphuy
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g5suu2o
| 1,600,462,177 | 1,600,510,636 | 1 | 5 |
Could someone link the lessons please, I lost it
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Took me 2 or 3 months to finish, you're fine
| 0 | 48,459 | 5 | ||
ivaz3e
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
Am I drawing too slow? (250 boxs) I started doing the 250 box challenge a week or two ago, but I feel like I'm not making enough progress. It's not uncommon for a single box to take 10-15 minutes, but I'm trying my best to get all the lines to converge and to put line weight without fraying. For reference, box 19 took me 7.5 seconds while box 18 took 20 because I was confused on how to get the left side right. Should I prioritize speed or accuracy with this exercise, and am I going too slow? https://imgur.com/a/MATXgcx
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g5t93hw
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g5qdz8g
| 1,600,522,014 | 1,600,456,805 | 6 | 4 |
No, take your time.
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There is no "going too slow" with draw a box as long as that slowness is due to pailying close atention and learning as much as posible. THIS IS NOT A RACE. Take as long as you need speed is not always good. This course is for your own development as an artist and you get as much as you put into it. You put time and concentration and you get great results, you rush to the finish line and you get rushed results. Take your time, it takes time for information and skills to be absorbed and asimilated, so dont sweat over taking "too long", ther is no such thing.
| 1 | 65,209 | 1.5 | ||
ivaz3e
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
Am I drawing too slow? (250 boxs) I started doing the 250 box challenge a week or two ago, but I feel like I'm not making enough progress. It's not uncommon for a single box to take 10-15 minutes, but I'm trying my best to get all the lines to converge and to put line weight without fraying. For reference, box 19 took me 7.5 seconds while box 18 took 20 because I was confused on how to get the left side right. Should I prioritize speed or accuracy with this exercise, and am I going too slow? https://imgur.com/a/MATXgcx
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g5t1y2w
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g5t93hw
| 1,600,518,082 | 1,600,522,014 | 4 | 6 |
Another approach that I find very helpful (I'm on box 167) is to draw the same box multiple times in a row. Start with the exact same Y. Do a box fairly quickly (under one minute), then get out your ruler and extend the lines. What doesn't look right? Do it again, again under a minute, and this time you know if you put THIS dot HERE what the result would be. So adjust it. Finish your box, rule the lines, have a look at the result. Do it again. Do each box 5-6 times this way - it doesn't need to be perfect, you just need your grey matter processing the results. Then do a different Y.
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No, take your time.
| 0 | 3,932 | 1.5 | ||
ivaz3e
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
Am I drawing too slow? (250 boxs) I started doing the 250 box challenge a week or two ago, but I feel like I'm not making enough progress. It's not uncommon for a single box to take 10-15 minutes, but I'm trying my best to get all the lines to converge and to put line weight without fraying. For reference, box 19 took me 7.5 seconds while box 18 took 20 because I was confused on how to get the left side right. Should I prioritize speed or accuracy with this exercise, and am I going too slow? https://imgur.com/a/MATXgcx
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g5t93hw
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g5qphuy
| 1,600,522,014 | 1,600,462,177 | 6 | 1 |
No, take your time.
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Could someone link the lessons please, I lost it
| 1 | 59,837 | 6 | ||
ivaz3e
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
Am I drawing too slow? (250 boxs) I started doing the 250 box challenge a week or two ago, but I feel like I'm not making enough progress. It's not uncommon for a single box to take 10-15 minutes, but I'm trying my best to get all the lines to converge and to put line weight without fraying. For reference, box 19 took me 7.5 seconds while box 18 took 20 because I was confused on how to get the left side right. Should I prioritize speed or accuracy with this exercise, and am I going too slow? https://imgur.com/a/MATXgcx
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g5t1y2w
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g5qphuy
| 1,600,518,082 | 1,600,462,177 | 4 | 1 |
Another approach that I find very helpful (I'm on box 167) is to draw the same box multiple times in a row. Start with the exact same Y. Do a box fairly quickly (under one minute), then get out your ruler and extend the lines. What doesn't look right? Do it again, again under a minute, and this time you know if you put THIS dot HERE what the result would be. So adjust it. Finish your box, rule the lines, have a look at the result. Do it again. Do each box 5-6 times this way - it doesn't need to be perfect, you just need your grey matter processing the results. Then do a different Y.
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Could someone link the lessons please, I lost it
| 1 | 55,905 | 4 | ||
ivaz3e
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
Am I drawing too slow? (250 boxs) I started doing the 250 box challenge a week or two ago, but I feel like I'm not making enough progress. It's not uncommon for a single box to take 10-15 minutes, but I'm trying my best to get all the lines to converge and to put line weight without fraying. For reference, box 19 took me 7.5 seconds while box 18 took 20 because I was confused on how to get the left side right. Should I prioritize speed or accuracy with this exercise, and am I going too slow? https://imgur.com/a/MATXgcx
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g5qphuy
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g5tioyl
| 1,600,462,177 | 1,600,526,337 | 1 | 4 |
Could someone link the lessons please, I lost it
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Take your time, you'll get faster the more you do it. Don't rush. Once you get familiar with how the perspective of the box works you'll be able to just breeze through them. That's what the exercise is for.
| 0 | 64,160 | 4 | ||
ivaz3e
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
Am I drawing too slow? (250 boxs) I started doing the 250 box challenge a week or two ago, but I feel like I'm not making enough progress. It's not uncommon for a single box to take 10-15 minutes, but I'm trying my best to get all the lines to converge and to put line weight without fraying. For reference, box 19 took me 7.5 seconds while box 18 took 20 because I was confused on how to get the left side right. Should I prioritize speed or accuracy with this exercise, and am I going too slow? https://imgur.com/a/MATXgcx
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g5qphuy
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g5tolwb
| 1,600,462,177 | 1,600,528,757 | 1 | 2 |
Could someone link the lessons please, I lost it
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How does it take 10-15 minutes to draw a single? What is the time spent on?
| 0 | 66,580 | 2 | ||
ivaz3e
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
Am I drawing too slow? (250 boxs) I started doing the 250 box challenge a week or two ago, but I feel like I'm not making enough progress. It's not uncommon for a single box to take 10-15 minutes, but I'm trying my best to get all the lines to converge and to put line weight without fraying. For reference, box 19 took me 7.5 seconds while box 18 took 20 because I was confused on how to get the left side right. Should I prioritize speed or accuracy with this exercise, and am I going too slow? https://imgur.com/a/MATXgcx
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g6cnizk
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g5qphuy
| 1,600,890,938 | 1,600,462,177 | 2 | 1 |
Hell, if it takes you twice as long to do it properly then take twice as long. Perfect practice makes perfect.
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Could someone link the lessons please, I lost it
| 1 | 428,761 | 2 | ||
zboxns
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.86 |
What to do when you accidentally draw a line while ghosting So I am about a month and a few days in and 4/5th of the way through the rough perspective homework and I still very much suck at ghosting lines, but that is not the point of the post. My problem is that sometimes, while ghosting the lines, my pen just goes a little too down and I end up making a line that fades in more or less some distance from the first point but isn't supposed to be the final line. How am I supposed to treat this error? Should I suck it up and use it as the final line even if it is totally wrong and not fully drawn? Or should I ignore it, keep ghosting until I'm ready and then draw the real line even if I end up with two (not really) parallel lines? Currently I have been half cheating about it: If the ghosted error line looks solid enough to look like I planned it and also correct enough to make me look better than I actually am, I keep it as if it was the final line. Otherwise I ignore it and draw the real line afterwards (even if the new line ends up worse than the error one) ending up with two lines that start from the same point and go more or less in the same direction. Here an example of the accidental lines made during ghosting Luckily it does not happen constantly but when it does happen I am unsure of what to make of it. The page on the ghosted lines exercise also does not say anything about what to do if this happens as far as I can see but lists other possible mistakes (which I still do in ample abundance). Thank you for any answer and I hope you won't go and tell me that I will have to redo the homeworks because of this. Because paper is getting quite expensive and the 250 box challenge needs like 50 pages to complete.
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iysbjfg
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iytp9h0
| 1,670,097,256 | 1,670,119,674 | 1 | 2 |
**To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead: * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting. **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.*
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If paper is too expensive you can get newsprint from most art supply shops. It's cheap.
| 0 | 22,418 | 2 | ||
zboxns
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.86 |
What to do when you accidentally draw a line while ghosting So I am about a month and a few days in and 4/5th of the way through the rough perspective homework and I still very much suck at ghosting lines, but that is not the point of the post. My problem is that sometimes, while ghosting the lines, my pen just goes a little too down and I end up making a line that fades in more or less some distance from the first point but isn't supposed to be the final line. How am I supposed to treat this error? Should I suck it up and use it as the final line even if it is totally wrong and not fully drawn? Or should I ignore it, keep ghosting until I'm ready and then draw the real line even if I end up with two (not really) parallel lines? Currently I have been half cheating about it: If the ghosted error line looks solid enough to look like I planned it and also correct enough to make me look better than I actually am, I keep it as if it was the final line. Otherwise I ignore it and draw the real line afterwards (even if the new line ends up worse than the error one) ending up with two lines that start from the same point and go more or less in the same direction. Here an example of the accidental lines made during ghosting Luckily it does not happen constantly but when it does happen I am unsure of what to make of it. The page on the ghosted lines exercise also does not say anything about what to do if this happens as far as I can see but lists other possible mistakes (which I still do in ample abundance). Thank you for any answer and I hope you won't go and tell me that I will have to redo the homeworks because of this. Because paper is getting quite expensive and the 250 box challenge needs like 50 pages to complete.
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iysbjfg
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iyu1e0e
| 1,670,097,256 | 1,670,125,864 | 1 | 2 |
**To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead: * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting. **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.*
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that used to happen to me alot while doing lessons 1 ,2 and the box challenge. I wouldn't stress too much about it b/c you will eventually figure out the proper space away from the page to safely ghost. Also I've never been docked for this in a review so I wouldn't be too worried about having to redo anything as a result of it either. A side note those accidential lines are usually pretty confident and smooth b/c you not thinking to much about a straight line. Food for thought.
| 0 | 28,608 | 2 | ||
zboxns
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.86 |
What to do when you accidentally draw a line while ghosting So I am about a month and a few days in and 4/5th of the way through the rough perspective homework and I still very much suck at ghosting lines, but that is not the point of the post. My problem is that sometimes, while ghosting the lines, my pen just goes a little too down and I end up making a line that fades in more or less some distance from the first point but isn't supposed to be the final line. How am I supposed to treat this error? Should I suck it up and use it as the final line even if it is totally wrong and not fully drawn? Or should I ignore it, keep ghosting until I'm ready and then draw the real line even if I end up with two (not really) parallel lines? Currently I have been half cheating about it: If the ghosted error line looks solid enough to look like I planned it and also correct enough to make me look better than I actually am, I keep it as if it was the final line. Otherwise I ignore it and draw the real line afterwards (even if the new line ends up worse than the error one) ending up with two lines that start from the same point and go more or less in the same direction. Here an example of the accidental lines made during ghosting Luckily it does not happen constantly but when it does happen I am unsure of what to make of it. The page on the ghosted lines exercise also does not say anything about what to do if this happens as far as I can see but lists other possible mistakes (which I still do in ample abundance). Thank you for any answer and I hope you won't go and tell me that I will have to redo the homeworks because of this. Because paper is getting quite expensive and the 250 box challenge needs like 50 pages to complete.
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iytp9h0
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iysnhd6
| 1,670,119,674 | 1,670,102,156 | 2 | 1 |
If paper is too expensive you can get newsprint from most art supply shops. It's cheap.
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I think you are fine. Humans make mistakes but you are learning from them to not make it a habit. You aren't intentionally keeping your pen too close to the page and you aren't drawing your lines like a pendullum so it's just an oopsie. If this was something you were going to sell or showcase then it may be a different story, just depends on how presented you want to be. But also it's just my opinion.
| 1 | 17,518 | 2 | ||
zboxns
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What to do when you accidentally draw a line while ghosting So I am about a month and a few days in and 4/5th of the way through the rough perspective homework and I still very much suck at ghosting lines, but that is not the point of the post. My problem is that sometimes, while ghosting the lines, my pen just goes a little too down and I end up making a line that fades in more or less some distance from the first point but isn't supposed to be the final line. How am I supposed to treat this error? Should I suck it up and use it as the final line even if it is totally wrong and not fully drawn? Or should I ignore it, keep ghosting until I'm ready and then draw the real line even if I end up with two (not really) parallel lines? Currently I have been half cheating about it: If the ghosted error line looks solid enough to look like I planned it and also correct enough to make me look better than I actually am, I keep it as if it was the final line. Otherwise I ignore it and draw the real line afterwards (even if the new line ends up worse than the error one) ending up with two lines that start from the same point and go more or less in the same direction. Here an example of the accidental lines made during ghosting Luckily it does not happen constantly but when it does happen I am unsure of what to make of it. The page on the ghosted lines exercise also does not say anything about what to do if this happens as far as I can see but lists other possible mistakes (which I still do in ample abundance). Thank you for any answer and I hope you won't go and tell me that I will have to redo the homeworks because of this. Because paper is getting quite expensive and the 250 box challenge needs like 50 pages to complete.
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iyu1e0e
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I think you are fine. Humans make mistakes but you are learning from them to not make it a habit. You aren't intentionally keeping your pen too close to the page and you aren't drawing your lines like a pendullum so it's just an oopsie. If this was something you were going to sell or showcase then it may be a different story, just depends on how presented you want to be. But also it's just my opinion.
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that used to happen to me alot while doing lessons 1 ,2 and the box challenge. I wouldn't stress too much about it b/c you will eventually figure out the proper space away from the page to safely ghost. Also I've never been docked for this in a review so I wouldn't be too worried about having to redo anything as a result of it either. A side note those accidential lines are usually pretty confident and smooth b/c you not thinking to much about a straight line. Food for thought.
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unqtj9
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[Question] i messed up 250 box challenge 95% of my boxes have parallel lines i thought it was ok as the were proportined but that was not the point of the challenge should start from zero when im at box 189?
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i8bg4zl
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The 250 box challenge is not just so you can make 250 cool looking boxes.. It's so you can get better at making them by doing it over and over The challenge is working, you're getting better at boxes. Why would that be a mistake?
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While I am very new to drawing myself, I am not new to high repetition drills. Imagine if you had only been assigned 150? You would have never known you had made a mistake. The more reps you do, the more opportunity you have to uncover mistakes and improve. In that sense, the 189 boxes you did wrong are not invalid because they are wrong. They served exactly the purpose they were intended to serve. So just keep going.
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unqtj9
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[Question] i messed up 250 box challenge 95% of my boxes have parallel lines i thought it was ok as the were proportined but that was not the point of the challenge should start from zero when im at box 189?
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i8bg4zl
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Nope, keep going. This is part of the learning, the reason for doing so many. You're doing it perfectly! (That is, you've noticed a problem that you can now try to fix.) Good job!
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While I am very new to drawing myself, I am not new to high repetition drills. Imagine if you had only been assigned 150? You would have never known you had made a mistake. The more reps you do, the more opportunity you have to uncover mistakes and improve. In that sense, the 189 boxes you did wrong are not invalid because they are wrong. They served exactly the purpose they were intended to serve. So just keep going.
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unqtj9
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[Question] i messed up 250 box challenge 95% of my boxes have parallel lines i thought it was ok as the were proportined but that was not the point of the challenge should start from zero when im at box 189?
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i8c1v9s
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i8bfltm
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Keep going! You learned. That’s the entire point.
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The 250 box challenge is not just so you can make 250 cool looking boxes.. It's so you can get better at making them by doing it over and over The challenge is working, you're getting better at boxes. Why would that be a mistake?
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unqtj9
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[Question] i messed up 250 box challenge 95% of my boxes have parallel lines i thought it was ok as the were proportined but that was not the point of the challenge should start from zero when im at box 189?
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i8c1v9s
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i8b3w5q
| 1,652,371,994 | 1,652,357,442 | 14 | 9 |
Keep going! You learned. That’s the entire point.
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Nope, keep going. This is part of the learning, the reason for doing so many. You're doing it perfectly! (That is, you've noticed a problem that you can now try to fix.) Good job!
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unqtj9
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[Question] i messed up 250 box challenge 95% of my boxes have parallel lines i thought it was ok as the were proportined but that was not the point of the challenge should start from zero when im at box 189?
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i8c1v9s
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Yes because the point is to make 3 point perspective boxes. Use a box from reference to help you. You can also go to sketchfab and use a cube for reference.
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Keep going! You learned. That’s the entire point.
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unqtj9
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[Question] i messed up 250 box challenge 95% of my boxes have parallel lines i thought it was ok as the were proportined but that was not the point of the challenge should start from zero when im at box 189?
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i8bfltm
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i8b3w5q
| 1,652,363,132 | 1,652,357,442 | 10 | 9 |
The 250 box challenge is not just so you can make 250 cool looking boxes.. It's so you can get better at making them by doing it over and over The challenge is working, you're getting better at boxes. Why would that be a mistake?
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Nope, keep going. This is part of the learning, the reason for doing so many. You're doing it perfectly! (That is, you've noticed a problem that you can now try to fix.) Good job!
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unqtj9
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[Question] i messed up 250 box challenge 95% of my boxes have parallel lines i thought it was ok as the were proportined but that was not the point of the challenge should start from zero when im at box 189?
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i8bvid7
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i8d1h00
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Yes because the point is to make 3 point perspective boxes. Use a box from reference to help you. You can also go to sketchfab and use a cube for reference.
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Keep going, you still have some boxes left to fix the issue with.
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unqtj9
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[Question] i messed up 250 box challenge 95% of my boxes have parallel lines i thought it was ok as the were proportined but that was not the point of the challenge should start from zero when im at box 189?
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i8ebwnh
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i8bvid7
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damn this thread is empowering. It was about the lesson and not the task that you have to complete.
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Yes because the point is to make 3 point perspective boxes. Use a box from reference to help you. You can also go to sketchfab and use a cube for reference.
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ulywcx
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About the 250 Box Challenge Imgur refuses to let me upload it now that I’m finally finished, so what do I do now? Upload here?
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i7yzeug
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Cloths
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What error does it says to you, like "format of the file is not supported" of " file is corrupted", etc. Does it says any error at all? If you cant fix it, dont fret, you can use other stuff besides imgur, its just that imgur is the easiest one to use lol
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ek4ym4
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Having a real hard time with ellipses so after way too much time and 2-3 breakdowns I’m now at 7 pages of tables https://imgur.com/a/d2LBmLv I don’t really know what to do anymore they’re so hard what should I do there’s a lot of fluctuation and various focus throughout the different pages (they’re in chronological order) and I just finally got some smoothness but as soon as the size changes it’s dead. and my spacing is pretty bad. And I’m clearly making the « not concrete goals » mistake but idk what to do anymore any help will be greatly appreciated
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fd6rpb4
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I agree with everyone else to not grind ellipses but rather add them to your warmup before every session. Are you rotating the page when you draw your ellipses? I prefer to draw my ellipses with the page rotated at a 45 degree angle (similar to my lines). Are you ghosting carefully and drawing confidently from your shoulder? Smooth, confident ellipses should be what you strive for more than touching the edges perfectly at this stage. However, like others said I think your ellipse quality is fine to move onto the next exercise. Just continue to practice them in warmups.
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I'm not sure exactly what to do, but if it helps you at all I have an extremely hard time with ellipses too, mine look very similar to yours, and after doing 3-4 pages of the ellipses in planes I still haven't figured out how to get them to touch the edges right. As somebody that's trying to learn it as well, I think he said to try not to grind on the exercises. It may help to switch gears and keep going a bit, maybe practicing on other areas will make it so you come back and can draw ellipses better after being exposed to more. I dunno though, definitely good luck and I hope you figure it out
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ek4ym4
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Having a real hard time with ellipses so after way too much time and 2-3 breakdowns I’m now at 7 pages of tables https://imgur.com/a/d2LBmLv I don’t really know what to do anymore they’re so hard what should I do there’s a lot of fluctuation and various focus throughout the different pages (they’re in chronological order) and I just finally got some smoothness but as soon as the size changes it’s dead. and my spacing is pretty bad. And I’m clearly making the « not concrete goals » mistake but idk what to do anymore any help will be greatly appreciated
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fd9d4i1
| 1,578,197,777 | 1,578,231,688 | 3 | 7 |
Maybe take a break and work on something more organic like a bunch of coke cans.
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I agree with everyone else to not grind ellipses but rather add them to your warmup before every session. Are you rotating the page when you draw your ellipses? I prefer to draw my ellipses with the page rotated at a 45 degree angle (similar to my lines). Are you ghosting carefully and drawing confidently from your shoulder? Smooth, confident ellipses should be what you strive for more than touching the edges perfectly at this stage. However, like others said I think your ellipse quality is fine to move onto the next exercise. Just continue to practice them in warmups.
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ek4ym4
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artfundamentals_train
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Having a real hard time with ellipses so after way too much time and 2-3 breakdowns I’m now at 7 pages of tables https://imgur.com/a/d2LBmLv I don’t really know what to do anymore they’re so hard what should I do there’s a lot of fluctuation and various focus throughout the different pages (they’re in chronological order) and I just finally got some smoothness but as soon as the size changes it’s dead. and my spacing is pretty bad. And I’m clearly making the « not concrete goals » mistake but idk what to do anymore any help will be greatly appreciated
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fd9d4i1
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fd94to2
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I agree with everyone else to not grind ellipses but rather add them to your warmup before every session. Are you rotating the page when you draw your ellipses? I prefer to draw my ellipses with the page rotated at a 45 degree angle (similar to my lines). Are you ghosting carefully and drawing confidently from your shoulder? Smooth, confident ellipses should be what you strive for more than touching the edges perfectly at this stage. However, like others said I think your ellipse quality is fine to move onto the next exercise. Just continue to practice them in warmups.
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Hey people have given you good solid points for the difficulty of the task when you start out but to be fair, your eclipses dont look all that bad, of course you can improve but it may just take a little longer. Perhaps the question here is, did you do your 7 pages in one sitting? Because trust me when I tell you, after a day the stuff you trained will sit way better in your muscle memory. So I'd advise to give it one additional try a day later (but really only one page) and rather than focusing on your mistakes, focus on your successes. It doesnt mean you shouldn't analyse what you did wrong but you should also focus on what you actually did right. When I got comfortable with eclipses I'd still have occasional mistakes happen. Lastly, as constructive criticism towards your execution, I personally advise to go a total of two rounds for your eclipses and not more, I'm also sure the instruction recommends one to three rounds per eclipse but couldve been two to three too, dont remember fully anymore. Edit: PS, I double checked your page and I also want to say, relax, I feel like seeing my first try at this. I know at this stage you know about shoulder drawing but I want to emphasize that especially for eclipses, it is very important to draw put of your shoulder (exception being the small eclipses of like 1cm (1/2") size, those, at least personally, I draw out of my elbow and wrist due to precision being better at that scale). Before you start another attempt possibly, take a scrap sheet of paper and draw unrestricted eclipses and focus on draw from your shoulder and find the speed you need to get a smooth looking eclipse, as soon as you found this sweet spot, it will be easier to do eclipses and training to scale and alter them as needed for this exercise. Other than that, dont beat yourself up, you definitely dont need to make perfect exercises to proceed with the lessons and you can always redo old exercises as you see fit.
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ek4ym4
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artfundamentals_train
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Having a real hard time with ellipses so after way too much time and 2-3 breakdowns I’m now at 7 pages of tables https://imgur.com/a/d2LBmLv I don’t really know what to do anymore they’re so hard what should I do there’s a lot of fluctuation and various focus throughout the different pages (they’re in chronological order) and I just finally got some smoothness but as soon as the size changes it’s dead. and my spacing is pretty bad. And I’m clearly making the « not concrete goals » mistake but idk what to do anymore any help will be greatly appreciated
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fd9d4i1
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fd8c69o
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I agree with everyone else to not grind ellipses but rather add them to your warmup before every session. Are you rotating the page when you draw your ellipses? I prefer to draw my ellipses with the page rotated at a 45 degree angle (similar to my lines). Are you ghosting carefully and drawing confidently from your shoulder? Smooth, confident ellipses should be what you strive for more than touching the edges perfectly at this stage. However, like others said I think your ellipse quality is fine to move onto the next exercise. Just continue to practice them in warmups.
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I've been doing Draw A Box exercises as my warmup for a few years now, and my first ellipses looked the same at the start. I highly recommend /u/exactlyhowiimagined's advice, and move on but do them for warmup routine every time you draw. You're showing improvement, but it sounds like you need a break.
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ek4ym4
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artfundamentals_train
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Having a real hard time with ellipses so after way too much time and 2-3 breakdowns I’m now at 7 pages of tables https://imgur.com/a/d2LBmLv I don’t really know what to do anymore they’re so hard what should I do there’s a lot of fluctuation and various focus throughout the different pages (they’re in chronological order) and I just finally got some smoothness but as soon as the size changes it’s dead. and my spacing is pretty bad. And I’m clearly making the « not concrete goals » mistake but idk what to do anymore any help will be greatly appreciated
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fd9i1sc
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fd6zx7j
| 1,578,233,571 | 1,578,197,777 | 4 | 3 |
What you are experiencing is an issue with these exercises ... they're not applied in context. We learn ellipses to *execute form correctly* ... such as drawing jars, vases, any manufactured shape, even in nature. Make yourself feel better ... find a bowl or vase and simply draw it. If the form is solid and properly done, you're fine. Move on to the next exercise and don't worry about this one ....
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Maybe take a break and work on something more organic like a bunch of coke cans.
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ek4ym4
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artfundamentals_train
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Having a real hard time with ellipses so after way too much time and 2-3 breakdowns I’m now at 7 pages of tables https://imgur.com/a/d2LBmLv I don’t really know what to do anymore they’re so hard what should I do there’s a lot of fluctuation and various focus throughout the different pages (they’re in chronological order) and I just finally got some smoothness but as soon as the size changes it’s dead. and my spacing is pretty bad. And I’m clearly making the « not concrete goals » mistake but idk what to do anymore any help will be greatly appreciated
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fd94to2
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fd9i1sc
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Hey people have given you good solid points for the difficulty of the task when you start out but to be fair, your eclipses dont look all that bad, of course you can improve but it may just take a little longer. Perhaps the question here is, did you do your 7 pages in one sitting? Because trust me when I tell you, after a day the stuff you trained will sit way better in your muscle memory. So I'd advise to give it one additional try a day later (but really only one page) and rather than focusing on your mistakes, focus on your successes. It doesnt mean you shouldn't analyse what you did wrong but you should also focus on what you actually did right. When I got comfortable with eclipses I'd still have occasional mistakes happen. Lastly, as constructive criticism towards your execution, I personally advise to go a total of two rounds for your eclipses and not more, I'm also sure the instruction recommends one to three rounds per eclipse but couldve been two to three too, dont remember fully anymore. Edit: PS, I double checked your page and I also want to say, relax, I feel like seeing my first try at this. I know at this stage you know about shoulder drawing but I want to emphasize that especially for eclipses, it is very important to draw put of your shoulder (exception being the small eclipses of like 1cm (1/2") size, those, at least personally, I draw out of my elbow and wrist due to precision being better at that scale). Before you start another attempt possibly, take a scrap sheet of paper and draw unrestricted eclipses and focus on draw from your shoulder and find the speed you need to get a smooth looking eclipse, as soon as you found this sweet spot, it will be easier to do eclipses and training to scale and alter them as needed for this exercise. Other than that, dont beat yourself up, you definitely dont need to make perfect exercises to proceed with the lessons and you can always redo old exercises as you see fit.
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What you are experiencing is an issue with these exercises ... they're not applied in context. We learn ellipses to *execute form correctly* ... such as drawing jars, vases, any manufactured shape, even in nature. Make yourself feel better ... find a bowl or vase and simply draw it. If the form is solid and properly done, you're fine. Move on to the next exercise and don't worry about this one ....
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ek4ym4
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artfundamentals_train
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Having a real hard time with ellipses so after way too much time and 2-3 breakdowns I’m now at 7 pages of tables https://imgur.com/a/d2LBmLv I don’t really know what to do anymore they’re so hard what should I do there’s a lot of fluctuation and various focus throughout the different pages (they’re in chronological order) and I just finally got some smoothness but as soon as the size changes it’s dead. and my spacing is pretty bad. And I’m clearly making the « not concrete goals » mistake but idk what to do anymore any help will be greatly appreciated
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fd9i1sc
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fd8c69o
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What you are experiencing is an issue with these exercises ... they're not applied in context. We learn ellipses to *execute form correctly* ... such as drawing jars, vases, any manufactured shape, even in nature. Make yourself feel better ... find a bowl or vase and simply draw it. If the form is solid and properly done, you're fine. Move on to the next exercise and don't worry about this one ....
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I've been doing Draw A Box exercises as my warmup for a few years now, and my first ellipses looked the same at the start. I highly recommend /u/exactlyhowiimagined's advice, and move on but do them for warmup routine every time you draw. You're showing improvement, but it sounds like you need a break.
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ek4ym4
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artfundamentals_train
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Having a real hard time with ellipses so after way too much time and 2-3 breakdowns I’m now at 7 pages of tables https://imgur.com/a/d2LBmLv I don’t really know what to do anymore they’re so hard what should I do there’s a lot of fluctuation and various focus throughout the different pages (they’re in chronological order) and I just finally got some smoothness but as soon as the size changes it’s dead. and my spacing is pretty bad. And I’m clearly making the « not concrete goals » mistake but idk what to do anymore any help will be greatly appreciated
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fd8c69o
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fd94to2
| 1,578,216,676 | 1,578,228,412 | 2 | 3 |
I've been doing Draw A Box exercises as my warmup for a few years now, and my first ellipses looked the same at the start. I highly recommend /u/exactlyhowiimagined's advice, and move on but do them for warmup routine every time you draw. You're showing improvement, but it sounds like you need a break.
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Hey people have given you good solid points for the difficulty of the task when you start out but to be fair, your eclipses dont look all that bad, of course you can improve but it may just take a little longer. Perhaps the question here is, did you do your 7 pages in one sitting? Because trust me when I tell you, after a day the stuff you trained will sit way better in your muscle memory. So I'd advise to give it one additional try a day later (but really only one page) and rather than focusing on your mistakes, focus on your successes. It doesnt mean you shouldn't analyse what you did wrong but you should also focus on what you actually did right. When I got comfortable with eclipses I'd still have occasional mistakes happen. Lastly, as constructive criticism towards your execution, I personally advise to go a total of two rounds for your eclipses and not more, I'm also sure the instruction recommends one to three rounds per eclipse but couldve been two to three too, dont remember fully anymore. Edit: PS, I double checked your page and I also want to say, relax, I feel like seeing my first try at this. I know at this stage you know about shoulder drawing but I want to emphasize that especially for eclipses, it is very important to draw put of your shoulder (exception being the small eclipses of like 1cm (1/2") size, those, at least personally, I draw out of my elbow and wrist due to precision being better at that scale). Before you start another attempt possibly, take a scrap sheet of paper and draw unrestricted eclipses and focus on draw from your shoulder and find the speed you need to get a smooth looking eclipse, as soon as you found this sweet spot, it will be easier to do eclipses and training to scale and alter them as needed for this exercise. Other than that, dont beat yourself up, you definitely dont need to make perfect exercises to proceed with the lessons and you can always redo old exercises as you see fit.
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Question on Lesson 1 Ruler Use Why are we encouraged to use a ruler in the drawing practices? E.g plotted perspective (boxes) or filling ellipses on a page. Apart from practices like superimposed lines, I don’t know why a ruler is encouraged. I personally can’t draw straight lines well, so I _really_ want to simultaneously practice freehand straight lines with these practices. Is there a reason why I should use a ruler? Any advice will be greatly appreciated
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Ultimately it comes down to this - humans have only so much energy and focus they can put to use on a given task. Learning requires use of that resource. When we try to pack in more things to worry about at the same time, there's no extra resources to put towards them. Rather, what we do have gets divided up and spread out. Thus, every task needs to be considered in terms of just what are we allocating those resources towards, and whether or not that expenditure of resources is towards a clear purpose. Freehanding your lines for every exercise isn't inherently valuable - when we get to Lessons 6 and 7, I encourage students to use rulers there because they've already been armed with a ton of different exercises where they can practice their freehanded linework. Those lessons however involve a lot of complex spatial reasoning and concepts that we need to pay careful attention to, all of which would be severely undermined by further complicating the task. Similarly, with the plotted perspective exercise, its purpose is very narrow - to ensure that students understand the mechanics of vanishing points, something we end up using a great deal throughout the rest of the course. Thus, it's very important that the student be able to focus on that alone in the exercise, and not on ensuring that their lines are straight. Keep in mind above all else that Drawabox is a course with its own goals for its students. While you can certainly use the information provided to whatever ends you wish, to follow the course is to adopt its goals (even if you don't fully understand them). So, your own individual priorities (like the focus on learning to draw straight lines well) don't factor in. Sure, we do happen to help students with that a great deal, but it's not because that's what they're interested in - it's because freehanding smooth, confident linework helps us work towards the course's core focus of developing strong spatial reasoning skills, and one's understanding of 3D space.
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Why are critiques so sporadic? After just finishing watching lesson 0 I thought I'd check out this subreddit to see what the process is like. The video says not to work in a vacuum and post to get feedback, I think Rebecca Rand's review video says the same, and yet there are posts with absolutely zero comments. It's not that it's the same lesson type that don't seem to get feedback as there's one post about lines with 15 comments and then on the opposite side one post with none. Is it down to the influx of newer learners or perhaps people not thinking they're good enough to offer feedback or maybe the people who have nearly finished the course not sticking around in this sub anymore? Surely people who are on lesson 2 can offer advice for others who are starting lesson 1? I'm genuinely curious as I know you can't force people to give critiques but where else are you supposed to post if the dedicated subreddit doesn't come through? If this comes across as an attack, it's not. I've yet to start but I feel sad for the people who are posting in the anticipation of receiving some kind of feedback and getting nothing in return.
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er222ro
| 1,560,436,373 | 1,560,439,308 | 16 | 30 |
From the perspective of someone who has participated in an online writing community and those types of critiques, theyre just hard. Like straight up, giving good critique is very mentally draining and can take awhile. Add to the fact that the people doing it for free are, well, doing it for free. Those people are rather scarce, since you need: A) Somone who is willing to do it B) someone who has the time to do it C) Someone who has the drawing perspective to give good crit D) Finally, someone who is able to have the mental fortitude to actually start a crit and finish a crit Burn out is a very real thing and happens rather quickly, especially when you factor in how much of the crit is the same. When it's the same lessons over and ober again with the same practices, there isnt too mucb variety in what is being crit. This does not, however, simplify the task. TL;DR So for me, I am not surprised at all by a lack of people giving crit. Its time consuming and hard to do. The best answer is to just keep on trucking. Maybe find a friend who is willing to give you crit, try to advertise in different circles. Keep practicing all the while. During the find critique time would be a good spot to slow down thr practicing a bit and amp up the draw for fun spots. Its a hard problem to deal with byt it is solveable, but like everything else, you gotta bs patient. Be proactive to, just remember that you mjght have to wait awhile.
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Not every post gets viewed by every person able to provide critique all the time. On the same token, we get tired of advising the same basic instructions over and over again. There is so much information already present from past work in this sub that the vast majority of questions are already answered. The issue is that people want their information served to them personally. Relying on others to provide it to them. They may get that one tiny bit of information after waiting, but the people *looking and searching books and scouring comments sections* are the ones who've already found that answer and 25 others to boot. Ask, and you MAY receive at some point. Search and at some point you WILL find what you are looking for, and more along the way.
| 0 | 2,935 | 1.875 | ||
c05e3o
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
Why are critiques so sporadic? After just finishing watching lesson 0 I thought I'd check out this subreddit to see what the process is like. The video says not to work in a vacuum and post to get feedback, I think Rebecca Rand's review video says the same, and yet there are posts with absolutely zero comments. It's not that it's the same lesson type that don't seem to get feedback as there's one post about lines with 15 comments and then on the opposite side one post with none. Is it down to the influx of newer learners or perhaps people not thinking they're good enough to offer feedback or maybe the people who have nearly finished the course not sticking around in this sub anymore? Surely people who are on lesson 2 can offer advice for others who are starting lesson 1? I'm genuinely curious as I know you can't force people to give critiques but where else are you supposed to post if the dedicated subreddit doesn't come through? If this comes across as an attack, it's not. I've yet to start but I feel sad for the people who are posting in the anticipation of receiving some kind of feedback and getting nothing in return.
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er222ro
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er1lz8k
| 1,560,439,308 | 1,560,433,621 | 30 | 14 |
Not every post gets viewed by every person able to provide critique all the time. On the same token, we get tired of advising the same basic instructions over and over again. There is so much information already present from past work in this sub that the vast majority of questions are already answered. The issue is that people want their information served to them personally. Relying on others to provide it to them. They may get that one tiny bit of information after waiting, but the people *looking and searching books and scouring comments sections* are the ones who've already found that answer and 25 others to boot. Ask, and you MAY receive at some point. Search and at some point you WILL find what you are looking for, and more along the way.
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I often stop myself from giving critiques because I feel unqualified. Idk. Maybe I should do it more.
| 1 | 5,687 | 2.142857 | ||
c05e3o
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
Why are critiques so sporadic? After just finishing watching lesson 0 I thought I'd check out this subreddit to see what the process is like. The video says not to work in a vacuum and post to get feedback, I think Rebecca Rand's review video says the same, and yet there are posts with absolutely zero comments. It's not that it's the same lesson type that don't seem to get feedback as there's one post about lines with 15 comments and then on the opposite side one post with none. Is it down to the influx of newer learners or perhaps people not thinking they're good enough to offer feedback or maybe the people who have nearly finished the course not sticking around in this sub anymore? Surely people who are on lesson 2 can offer advice for others who are starting lesson 1? I'm genuinely curious as I know you can't force people to give critiques but where else are you supposed to post if the dedicated subreddit doesn't come through? If this comes across as an attack, it's not. I've yet to start but I feel sad for the people who are posting in the anticipation of receiving some kind of feedback and getting nothing in return.
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er1k9ri
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er222ro
| 1,560,432,973 | 1,560,439,308 | 10 | 30 |
there are over 100,000 subredditors but they are at differnt stages and there are no dedicated staff or obligated redditers AKA its the internet so you can always try posting the same thing in a day or 2. this is the 'free' version of drawabox --- ie no patreon no guaranteed review/critique
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Not every post gets viewed by every person able to provide critique all the time. On the same token, we get tired of advising the same basic instructions over and over again. There is so much information already present from past work in this sub that the vast majority of questions are already answered. The issue is that people want their information served to them personally. Relying on others to provide it to them. They may get that one tiny bit of information after waiting, but the people *looking and searching books and scouring comments sections* are the ones who've already found that answer and 25 others to boot. Ask, and you MAY receive at some point. Search and at some point you WILL find what you are looking for, and more along the way.
| 0 | 6,335 | 3 | ||
c05e3o
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
Why are critiques so sporadic? After just finishing watching lesson 0 I thought I'd check out this subreddit to see what the process is like. The video says not to work in a vacuum and post to get feedback, I think Rebecca Rand's review video says the same, and yet there are posts with absolutely zero comments. It's not that it's the same lesson type that don't seem to get feedback as there's one post about lines with 15 comments and then on the opposite side one post with none. Is it down to the influx of newer learners or perhaps people not thinking they're good enough to offer feedback or maybe the people who have nearly finished the course not sticking around in this sub anymore? Surely people who are on lesson 2 can offer advice for others who are starting lesson 1? I'm genuinely curious as I know you can't force people to give critiques but where else are you supposed to post if the dedicated subreddit doesn't come through? If this comes across as an attack, it's not. I've yet to start but I feel sad for the people who are posting in the anticipation of receiving some kind of feedback and getting nothing in return.
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er222ro
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er1o4b1
| 1,560,439,308 | 1,560,434,384 | 30 | 10 |
Not every post gets viewed by every person able to provide critique all the time. On the same token, we get tired of advising the same basic instructions over and over again. There is so much information already present from past work in this sub that the vast majority of questions are already answered. The issue is that people want their information served to them personally. Relying on others to provide it to them. They may get that one tiny bit of information after waiting, but the people *looking and searching books and scouring comments sections* are the ones who've already found that answer and 25 others to boot. Ask, and you MAY receive at some point. Search and at some point you WILL find what you are looking for, and more along the way.
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A large part of it has to do with reddit’s algorithms;a select few posts will show up in people’s home feeds and receive much more attention
| 1 | 4,924 | 3 | ||
c05e3o
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
Why are critiques so sporadic? After just finishing watching lesson 0 I thought I'd check out this subreddit to see what the process is like. The video says not to work in a vacuum and post to get feedback, I think Rebecca Rand's review video says the same, and yet there are posts with absolutely zero comments. It's not that it's the same lesson type that don't seem to get feedback as there's one post about lines with 15 comments and then on the opposite side one post with none. Is it down to the influx of newer learners or perhaps people not thinking they're good enough to offer feedback or maybe the people who have nearly finished the course not sticking around in this sub anymore? Surely people who are on lesson 2 can offer advice for others who are starting lesson 1? I'm genuinely curious as I know you can't force people to give critiques but where else are you supposed to post if the dedicated subreddit doesn't come through? If this comes across as an attack, it's not. I've yet to start but I feel sad for the people who are posting in the anticipation of receiving some kind of feedback and getting nothing in return.
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er222ro
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er1f2xd
| 1,560,439,308 | 1,560,430,946 | 30 | 3 |
Not every post gets viewed by every person able to provide critique all the time. On the same token, we get tired of advising the same basic instructions over and over again. There is so much information already present from past work in this sub that the vast majority of questions are already answered. The issue is that people want their information served to them personally. Relying on others to provide it to them. They may get that one tiny bit of information after waiting, but the people *looking and searching books and scouring comments sections* are the ones who've already found that answer and 25 others to boot. Ask, and you MAY receive at some point. Search and at some point you WILL find what you are looking for, and more along the way.
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I wondered this too
| 1 | 8,362 | 10 | ||
c05e3o
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
Why are critiques so sporadic? After just finishing watching lesson 0 I thought I'd check out this subreddit to see what the process is like. The video says not to work in a vacuum and post to get feedback, I think Rebecca Rand's review video says the same, and yet there are posts with absolutely zero comments. It's not that it's the same lesson type that don't seem to get feedback as there's one post about lines with 15 comments and then on the opposite side one post with none. Is it down to the influx of newer learners or perhaps people not thinking they're good enough to offer feedback or maybe the people who have nearly finished the course not sticking around in this sub anymore? Surely people who are on lesson 2 can offer advice for others who are starting lesson 1? I'm genuinely curious as I know you can't force people to give critiques but where else are you supposed to post if the dedicated subreddit doesn't come through? If this comes across as an attack, it's not. I've yet to start but I feel sad for the people who are posting in the anticipation of receiving some kind of feedback and getting nothing in return.
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er222ro
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er202rf
| 1,560,439,308 | 1,560,438,624 | 30 | 2 |
Not every post gets viewed by every person able to provide critique all the time. On the same token, we get tired of advising the same basic instructions over and over again. There is so much information already present from past work in this sub that the vast majority of questions are already answered. The issue is that people want their information served to them personally. Relying on others to provide it to them. They may get that one tiny bit of information after waiting, but the people *looking and searching books and scouring comments sections* are the ones who've already found that answer and 25 others to boot. Ask, and you MAY receive at some point. Search and at some point you WILL find what you are looking for, and more along the way.
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It's easy to give positive and negative critique, but there is an art to giving proper balanced critique.
| 1 | 684 | 15 | ||
c05e3o
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
Why are critiques so sporadic? After just finishing watching lesson 0 I thought I'd check out this subreddit to see what the process is like. The video says not to work in a vacuum and post to get feedback, I think Rebecca Rand's review video says the same, and yet there are posts with absolutely zero comments. It's not that it's the same lesson type that don't seem to get feedback as there's one post about lines with 15 comments and then on the opposite side one post with none. Is it down to the influx of newer learners or perhaps people not thinking they're good enough to offer feedback or maybe the people who have nearly finished the course not sticking around in this sub anymore? Surely people who are on lesson 2 can offer advice for others who are starting lesson 1? I'm genuinely curious as I know you can't force people to give critiques but where else are you supposed to post if the dedicated subreddit doesn't come through? If this comes across as an attack, it's not. I've yet to start but I feel sad for the people who are posting in the anticipation of receiving some kind of feedback and getting nothing in return.
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er2kqfm
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er1tmiw
| 1,560,445,601 | 1,560,436,373 | 29 | 16 |
As others have stated, the main reason is that it's free labour. The student doing the homework is certainly investing a great deal of work, but that doesn't inherently make them entitled to a critique. Of course, this community is built around people doing what they can to help each other, and as I've learned myself critiquing is an excellent way to further develop your own understanding of the material - but at the end of the day, people can't really be forced. On top of that, there's limited opportunity within reddit's ecosystem to even encourage critiques. Right now we're working purely off peoples' generosity and willingness to offer their time and energy. That said, I don't want this to be the case forever. In the latest incarnation of the drawabox website (as released in late December of last year), I tried to lay out common mistakes and make every section easily linkable to make that critiquing process easier, and I do believe it's had an impact. That's just the first step, however. The second phase will be of actually building a community platform integrated into the website - something I'll start on in July, but will definitely take quite a bit of time. This will replace reddit as the place for community members to criAtique each other, and I'll be looking into a variety of ways - both superficial as well as substantial - to encourage students to critique one another. At the same time, I'm also continually working to expand the paid side of things - that is, splitting up the ever-growing workload between teaching assistants and myself, in order to make things more sustainable, and keeping the barrier-to-entry as low as we can, so those who are looking for more reliable reviews of their work will always be able to get that.
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From the perspective of someone who has participated in an online writing community and those types of critiques, theyre just hard. Like straight up, giving good critique is very mentally draining and can take awhile. Add to the fact that the people doing it for free are, well, doing it for free. Those people are rather scarce, since you need: A) Somone who is willing to do it B) someone who has the time to do it C) Someone who has the drawing perspective to give good crit D) Finally, someone who is able to have the mental fortitude to actually start a crit and finish a crit Burn out is a very real thing and happens rather quickly, especially when you factor in how much of the crit is the same. When it's the same lessons over and ober again with the same practices, there isnt too mucb variety in what is being crit. This does not, however, simplify the task. TL;DR So for me, I am not surprised at all by a lack of people giving crit. Its time consuming and hard to do. The best answer is to just keep on trucking. Maybe find a friend who is willing to give you crit, try to advertise in different circles. Keep practicing all the while. During the find critique time would be a good spot to slow down thr practicing a bit and amp up the draw for fun spots. Its a hard problem to deal with byt it is solveable, but like everything else, you gotta bs patient. Be proactive to, just remember that you mjght have to wait awhile.
| 1 | 9,228 | 1.8125 | ||
c05e3o
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
Why are critiques so sporadic? After just finishing watching lesson 0 I thought I'd check out this subreddit to see what the process is like. The video says not to work in a vacuum and post to get feedback, I think Rebecca Rand's review video says the same, and yet there are posts with absolutely zero comments. It's not that it's the same lesson type that don't seem to get feedback as there's one post about lines with 15 comments and then on the opposite side one post with none. Is it down to the influx of newer learners or perhaps people not thinking they're good enough to offer feedback or maybe the people who have nearly finished the course not sticking around in this sub anymore? Surely people who are on lesson 2 can offer advice for others who are starting lesson 1? I'm genuinely curious as I know you can't force people to give critiques but where else are you supposed to post if the dedicated subreddit doesn't come through? If this comes across as an attack, it's not. I've yet to start but I feel sad for the people who are posting in the anticipation of receiving some kind of feedback and getting nothing in return.
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er2kqfm
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er1lz8k
| 1,560,445,601 | 1,560,433,621 | 29 | 14 |
As others have stated, the main reason is that it's free labour. The student doing the homework is certainly investing a great deal of work, but that doesn't inherently make them entitled to a critique. Of course, this community is built around people doing what they can to help each other, and as I've learned myself critiquing is an excellent way to further develop your own understanding of the material - but at the end of the day, people can't really be forced. On top of that, there's limited opportunity within reddit's ecosystem to even encourage critiques. Right now we're working purely off peoples' generosity and willingness to offer their time and energy. That said, I don't want this to be the case forever. In the latest incarnation of the drawabox website (as released in late December of last year), I tried to lay out common mistakes and make every section easily linkable to make that critiquing process easier, and I do believe it's had an impact. That's just the first step, however. The second phase will be of actually building a community platform integrated into the website - something I'll start on in July, but will definitely take quite a bit of time. This will replace reddit as the place for community members to criAtique each other, and I'll be looking into a variety of ways - both superficial as well as substantial - to encourage students to critique one another. At the same time, I'm also continually working to expand the paid side of things - that is, splitting up the ever-growing workload between teaching assistants and myself, in order to make things more sustainable, and keeping the barrier-to-entry as low as we can, so those who are looking for more reliable reviews of their work will always be able to get that.
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I often stop myself from giving critiques because I feel unqualified. Idk. Maybe I should do it more.
| 1 | 11,980 | 2.071429 | ||
c05e3o
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
Why are critiques so sporadic? After just finishing watching lesson 0 I thought I'd check out this subreddit to see what the process is like. The video says not to work in a vacuum and post to get feedback, I think Rebecca Rand's review video says the same, and yet there are posts with absolutely zero comments. It's not that it's the same lesson type that don't seem to get feedback as there's one post about lines with 15 comments and then on the opposite side one post with none. Is it down to the influx of newer learners or perhaps people not thinking they're good enough to offer feedback or maybe the people who have nearly finished the course not sticking around in this sub anymore? Surely people who are on lesson 2 can offer advice for others who are starting lesson 1? I'm genuinely curious as I know you can't force people to give critiques but where else are you supposed to post if the dedicated subreddit doesn't come through? If this comes across as an attack, it's not. I've yet to start but I feel sad for the people who are posting in the anticipation of receiving some kind of feedback and getting nothing in return.
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er2kqfm
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er1k9ri
| 1,560,445,601 | 1,560,432,973 | 29 | 10 |
As others have stated, the main reason is that it's free labour. The student doing the homework is certainly investing a great deal of work, but that doesn't inherently make them entitled to a critique. Of course, this community is built around people doing what they can to help each other, and as I've learned myself critiquing is an excellent way to further develop your own understanding of the material - but at the end of the day, people can't really be forced. On top of that, there's limited opportunity within reddit's ecosystem to even encourage critiques. Right now we're working purely off peoples' generosity and willingness to offer their time and energy. That said, I don't want this to be the case forever. In the latest incarnation of the drawabox website (as released in late December of last year), I tried to lay out common mistakes and make every section easily linkable to make that critiquing process easier, and I do believe it's had an impact. That's just the first step, however. The second phase will be of actually building a community platform integrated into the website - something I'll start on in July, but will definitely take quite a bit of time. This will replace reddit as the place for community members to criAtique each other, and I'll be looking into a variety of ways - both superficial as well as substantial - to encourage students to critique one another. At the same time, I'm also continually working to expand the paid side of things - that is, splitting up the ever-growing workload between teaching assistants and myself, in order to make things more sustainable, and keeping the barrier-to-entry as low as we can, so those who are looking for more reliable reviews of their work will always be able to get that.
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there are over 100,000 subredditors but they are at differnt stages and there are no dedicated staff or obligated redditers AKA its the internet so you can always try posting the same thing in a day or 2. this is the 'free' version of drawabox --- ie no patreon no guaranteed review/critique
| 1 | 12,628 | 2.9 | ||
c05e3o
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
Why are critiques so sporadic? After just finishing watching lesson 0 I thought I'd check out this subreddit to see what the process is like. The video says not to work in a vacuum and post to get feedback, I think Rebecca Rand's review video says the same, and yet there are posts with absolutely zero comments. It's not that it's the same lesson type that don't seem to get feedback as there's one post about lines with 15 comments and then on the opposite side one post with none. Is it down to the influx of newer learners or perhaps people not thinking they're good enough to offer feedback or maybe the people who have nearly finished the course not sticking around in this sub anymore? Surely people who are on lesson 2 can offer advice for others who are starting lesson 1? I'm genuinely curious as I know you can't force people to give critiques but where else are you supposed to post if the dedicated subreddit doesn't come through? If this comes across as an attack, it's not. I've yet to start but I feel sad for the people who are posting in the anticipation of receiving some kind of feedback and getting nothing in return.
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er1o4b1
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er2kqfm
| 1,560,434,384 | 1,560,445,601 | 10 | 29 |
A large part of it has to do with reddit’s algorithms;a select few posts will show up in people’s home feeds and receive much more attention
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As others have stated, the main reason is that it's free labour. The student doing the homework is certainly investing a great deal of work, but that doesn't inherently make them entitled to a critique. Of course, this community is built around people doing what they can to help each other, and as I've learned myself critiquing is an excellent way to further develop your own understanding of the material - but at the end of the day, people can't really be forced. On top of that, there's limited opportunity within reddit's ecosystem to even encourage critiques. Right now we're working purely off peoples' generosity and willingness to offer their time and energy. That said, I don't want this to be the case forever. In the latest incarnation of the drawabox website (as released in late December of last year), I tried to lay out common mistakes and make every section easily linkable to make that critiquing process easier, and I do believe it's had an impact. That's just the first step, however. The second phase will be of actually building a community platform integrated into the website - something I'll start on in July, but will definitely take quite a bit of time. This will replace reddit as the place for community members to criAtique each other, and I'll be looking into a variety of ways - both superficial as well as substantial - to encourage students to critique one another. At the same time, I'm also continually working to expand the paid side of things - that is, splitting up the ever-growing workload between teaching assistants and myself, in order to make things more sustainable, and keeping the barrier-to-entry as low as we can, so those who are looking for more reliable reviews of their work will always be able to get that.
| 0 | 11,217 | 2.9 | ||
c05e3o
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
Why are critiques so sporadic? After just finishing watching lesson 0 I thought I'd check out this subreddit to see what the process is like. The video says not to work in a vacuum and post to get feedback, I think Rebecca Rand's review video says the same, and yet there are posts with absolutely zero comments. It's not that it's the same lesson type that don't seem to get feedback as there's one post about lines with 15 comments and then on the opposite side one post with none. Is it down to the influx of newer learners or perhaps people not thinking they're good enough to offer feedback or maybe the people who have nearly finished the course not sticking around in this sub anymore? Surely people who are on lesson 2 can offer advice for others who are starting lesson 1? I'm genuinely curious as I know you can't force people to give critiques but where else are you supposed to post if the dedicated subreddit doesn't come through? If this comes across as an attack, it's not. I've yet to start but I feel sad for the people who are posting in the anticipation of receiving some kind of feedback and getting nothing in return.
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er2kqfm
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er277go
| 1,560,445,601 | 1,560,441,029 | 29 | 6 |
As others have stated, the main reason is that it's free labour. The student doing the homework is certainly investing a great deal of work, but that doesn't inherently make them entitled to a critique. Of course, this community is built around people doing what they can to help each other, and as I've learned myself critiquing is an excellent way to further develop your own understanding of the material - but at the end of the day, people can't really be forced. On top of that, there's limited opportunity within reddit's ecosystem to even encourage critiques. Right now we're working purely off peoples' generosity and willingness to offer their time and energy. That said, I don't want this to be the case forever. In the latest incarnation of the drawabox website (as released in late December of last year), I tried to lay out common mistakes and make every section easily linkable to make that critiquing process easier, and I do believe it's had an impact. That's just the first step, however. The second phase will be of actually building a community platform integrated into the website - something I'll start on in July, but will definitely take quite a bit of time. This will replace reddit as the place for community members to criAtique each other, and I'll be looking into a variety of ways - both superficial as well as substantial - to encourage students to critique one another. At the same time, I'm also continually working to expand the paid side of things - that is, splitting up the ever-growing workload between teaching assistants and myself, in order to make things more sustainable, and keeping the barrier-to-entry as low as we can, so those who are looking for more reliable reviews of their work will always be able to get that.
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I think posts on this sub should only be to stay accountable up to the point where you're drawing still life where critiques can be more detailed. If I drew a picture with bad perspective or bad line work then I'd expect a critique because it's something that can be pointed out for me to look at and work on. One should be able to notice the problems with their own work in the first few lessons. I haven't started yet but I can see the flaws in my lines and see that I need improvement.
| 1 | 4,572 | 4.833333 | ||
c05e3o
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
Why are critiques so sporadic? After just finishing watching lesson 0 I thought I'd check out this subreddit to see what the process is like. The video says not to work in a vacuum and post to get feedback, I think Rebecca Rand's review video says the same, and yet there are posts with absolutely zero comments. It's not that it's the same lesson type that don't seem to get feedback as there's one post about lines with 15 comments and then on the opposite side one post with none. Is it down to the influx of newer learners or perhaps people not thinking they're good enough to offer feedback or maybe the people who have nearly finished the course not sticking around in this sub anymore? Surely people who are on lesson 2 can offer advice for others who are starting lesson 1? I'm genuinely curious as I know you can't force people to give critiques but where else are you supposed to post if the dedicated subreddit doesn't come through? If this comes across as an attack, it's not. I've yet to start but I feel sad for the people who are posting in the anticipation of receiving some kind of feedback and getting nothing in return.
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er1f2xd
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er2kqfm
| 1,560,430,946 | 1,560,445,601 | 3 | 29 |
I wondered this too
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As others have stated, the main reason is that it's free labour. The student doing the homework is certainly investing a great deal of work, but that doesn't inherently make them entitled to a critique. Of course, this community is built around people doing what they can to help each other, and as I've learned myself critiquing is an excellent way to further develop your own understanding of the material - but at the end of the day, people can't really be forced. On top of that, there's limited opportunity within reddit's ecosystem to even encourage critiques. Right now we're working purely off peoples' generosity and willingness to offer their time and energy. That said, I don't want this to be the case forever. In the latest incarnation of the drawabox website (as released in late December of last year), I tried to lay out common mistakes and make every section easily linkable to make that critiquing process easier, and I do believe it's had an impact. That's just the first step, however. The second phase will be of actually building a community platform integrated into the website - something I'll start on in July, but will definitely take quite a bit of time. This will replace reddit as the place for community members to criAtique each other, and I'll be looking into a variety of ways - both superficial as well as substantial - to encourage students to critique one another. At the same time, I'm also continually working to expand the paid side of things - that is, splitting up the ever-growing workload between teaching assistants and myself, in order to make things more sustainable, and keeping the barrier-to-entry as low as we can, so those who are looking for more reliable reviews of their work will always be able to get that.
| 0 | 14,655 | 9.666667 | ||
c05e3o
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
Why are critiques so sporadic? After just finishing watching lesson 0 I thought I'd check out this subreddit to see what the process is like. The video says not to work in a vacuum and post to get feedback, I think Rebecca Rand's review video says the same, and yet there are posts with absolutely zero comments. It's not that it's the same lesson type that don't seem to get feedback as there's one post about lines with 15 comments and then on the opposite side one post with none. Is it down to the influx of newer learners or perhaps people not thinking they're good enough to offer feedback or maybe the people who have nearly finished the course not sticking around in this sub anymore? Surely people who are on lesson 2 can offer advice for others who are starting lesson 1? I'm genuinely curious as I know you can't force people to give critiques but where else are you supposed to post if the dedicated subreddit doesn't come through? If this comes across as an attack, it's not. I've yet to start but I feel sad for the people who are posting in the anticipation of receiving some kind of feedback and getting nothing in return.
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er202rf
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er2kqfm
| 1,560,438,624 | 1,560,445,601 | 2 | 29 |
It's easy to give positive and negative critique, but there is an art to giving proper balanced critique.
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As others have stated, the main reason is that it's free labour. The student doing the homework is certainly investing a great deal of work, but that doesn't inherently make them entitled to a critique. Of course, this community is built around people doing what they can to help each other, and as I've learned myself critiquing is an excellent way to further develop your own understanding of the material - but at the end of the day, people can't really be forced. On top of that, there's limited opportunity within reddit's ecosystem to even encourage critiques. Right now we're working purely off peoples' generosity and willingness to offer their time and energy. That said, I don't want this to be the case forever. In the latest incarnation of the drawabox website (as released in late December of last year), I tried to lay out common mistakes and make every section easily linkable to make that critiquing process easier, and I do believe it's had an impact. That's just the first step, however. The second phase will be of actually building a community platform integrated into the website - something I'll start on in July, but will definitely take quite a bit of time. This will replace reddit as the place for community members to criAtique each other, and I'll be looking into a variety of ways - both superficial as well as substantial - to encourage students to critique one another. At the same time, I'm also continually working to expand the paid side of things - that is, splitting up the ever-growing workload between teaching assistants and myself, in order to make things more sustainable, and keeping the barrier-to-entry as low as we can, so those who are looking for more reliable reviews of their work will always be able to get that.
| 0 | 6,977 | 14.5 | ||
c05e3o
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
Why are critiques so sporadic? After just finishing watching lesson 0 I thought I'd check out this subreddit to see what the process is like. The video says not to work in a vacuum and post to get feedback, I think Rebecca Rand's review video says the same, and yet there are posts with absolutely zero comments. It's not that it's the same lesson type that don't seem to get feedback as there's one post about lines with 15 comments and then on the opposite side one post with none. Is it down to the influx of newer learners or perhaps people not thinking they're good enough to offer feedback or maybe the people who have nearly finished the course not sticking around in this sub anymore? Surely people who are on lesson 2 can offer advice for others who are starting lesson 1? I'm genuinely curious as I know you can't force people to give critiques but where else are you supposed to post if the dedicated subreddit doesn't come through? If this comes across as an attack, it's not. I've yet to start but I feel sad for the people who are posting in the anticipation of receiving some kind of feedback and getting nothing in return.
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er1tmiw
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er2sdxe
| 1,560,436,373 | 1,560,448,960 | 16 | 26 |
From the perspective of someone who has participated in an online writing community and those types of critiques, theyre just hard. Like straight up, giving good critique is very mentally draining and can take awhile. Add to the fact that the people doing it for free are, well, doing it for free. Those people are rather scarce, since you need: A) Somone who is willing to do it B) someone who has the time to do it C) Someone who has the drawing perspective to give good crit D) Finally, someone who is able to have the mental fortitude to actually start a crit and finish a crit Burn out is a very real thing and happens rather quickly, especially when you factor in how much of the crit is the same. When it's the same lessons over and ober again with the same practices, there isnt too mucb variety in what is being crit. This does not, however, simplify the task. TL;DR So for me, I am not surprised at all by a lack of people giving crit. Its time consuming and hard to do. The best answer is to just keep on trucking. Maybe find a friend who is willing to give you crit, try to advertise in different circles. Keep practicing all the while. During the find critique time would be a good spot to slow down thr practicing a bit and amp up the draw for fun spots. Its a hard problem to deal with byt it is solveable, but like everything else, you gotta bs patient. Be proactive to, just remember that you mjght have to wait awhile.
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I would strongly recommend checking out the DrawABox Discord, it's very active and much easier to get critiques there.
| 0 | 12,587 | 1.625 | ||
c05e3o
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
Why are critiques so sporadic? After just finishing watching lesson 0 I thought I'd check out this subreddit to see what the process is like. The video says not to work in a vacuum and post to get feedback, I think Rebecca Rand's review video says the same, and yet there are posts with absolutely zero comments. It's not that it's the same lesson type that don't seem to get feedback as there's one post about lines with 15 comments and then on the opposite side one post with none. Is it down to the influx of newer learners or perhaps people not thinking they're good enough to offer feedback or maybe the people who have nearly finished the course not sticking around in this sub anymore? Surely people who are on lesson 2 can offer advice for others who are starting lesson 1? I'm genuinely curious as I know you can't force people to give critiques but where else are you supposed to post if the dedicated subreddit doesn't come through? If this comes across as an attack, it's not. I've yet to start but I feel sad for the people who are posting in the anticipation of receiving some kind of feedback and getting nothing in return.
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er1lz8k
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er2sdxe
| 1,560,433,621 | 1,560,448,960 | 14 | 26 |
I often stop myself from giving critiques because I feel unqualified. Idk. Maybe I should do it more.
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I would strongly recommend checking out the DrawABox Discord, it's very active and much easier to get critiques there.
| 0 | 15,339 | 1.857143 | ||
c05e3o
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
Why are critiques so sporadic? After just finishing watching lesson 0 I thought I'd check out this subreddit to see what the process is like. The video says not to work in a vacuum and post to get feedback, I think Rebecca Rand's review video says the same, and yet there are posts with absolutely zero comments. It's not that it's the same lesson type that don't seem to get feedback as there's one post about lines with 15 comments and then on the opposite side one post with none. Is it down to the influx of newer learners or perhaps people not thinking they're good enough to offer feedback or maybe the people who have nearly finished the course not sticking around in this sub anymore? Surely people who are on lesson 2 can offer advice for others who are starting lesson 1? I'm genuinely curious as I know you can't force people to give critiques but where else are you supposed to post if the dedicated subreddit doesn't come through? If this comes across as an attack, it's not. I've yet to start but I feel sad for the people who are posting in the anticipation of receiving some kind of feedback and getting nothing in return.
|
er1k9ri
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er2sdxe
| 1,560,432,973 | 1,560,448,960 | 10 | 26 |
there are over 100,000 subredditors but they are at differnt stages and there are no dedicated staff or obligated redditers AKA its the internet so you can always try posting the same thing in a day or 2. this is the 'free' version of drawabox --- ie no patreon no guaranteed review/critique
|
I would strongly recommend checking out the DrawABox Discord, it's very active and much easier to get critiques there.
| 0 | 15,987 | 2.6 | ||
c05e3o
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
Why are critiques so sporadic? After just finishing watching lesson 0 I thought I'd check out this subreddit to see what the process is like. The video says not to work in a vacuum and post to get feedback, I think Rebecca Rand's review video says the same, and yet there are posts with absolutely zero comments. It's not that it's the same lesson type that don't seem to get feedback as there's one post about lines with 15 comments and then on the opposite side one post with none. Is it down to the influx of newer learners or perhaps people not thinking they're good enough to offer feedback or maybe the people who have nearly finished the course not sticking around in this sub anymore? Surely people who are on lesson 2 can offer advice for others who are starting lesson 1? I'm genuinely curious as I know you can't force people to give critiques but where else are you supposed to post if the dedicated subreddit doesn't come through? If this comes across as an attack, it's not. I've yet to start but I feel sad for the people who are posting in the anticipation of receiving some kind of feedback and getting nothing in return.
|
er1o4b1
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er2sdxe
| 1,560,434,384 | 1,560,448,960 | 10 | 26 |
A large part of it has to do with reddit’s algorithms;a select few posts will show up in people’s home feeds and receive much more attention
|
I would strongly recommend checking out the DrawABox Discord, it's very active and much easier to get critiques there.
| 0 | 14,576 | 2.6 | ||
c05e3o
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
Why are critiques so sporadic? After just finishing watching lesson 0 I thought I'd check out this subreddit to see what the process is like. The video says not to work in a vacuum and post to get feedback, I think Rebecca Rand's review video says the same, and yet there are posts with absolutely zero comments. It's not that it's the same lesson type that don't seem to get feedback as there's one post about lines with 15 comments and then on the opposite side one post with none. Is it down to the influx of newer learners or perhaps people not thinking they're good enough to offer feedback or maybe the people who have nearly finished the course not sticking around in this sub anymore? Surely people who are on lesson 2 can offer advice for others who are starting lesson 1? I'm genuinely curious as I know you can't force people to give critiques but where else are you supposed to post if the dedicated subreddit doesn't come through? If this comes across as an attack, it's not. I've yet to start but I feel sad for the people who are posting in the anticipation of receiving some kind of feedback and getting nothing in return.
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er277go
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er2sdxe
| 1,560,441,029 | 1,560,448,960 | 6 | 26 |
I think posts on this sub should only be to stay accountable up to the point where you're drawing still life where critiques can be more detailed. If I drew a picture with bad perspective or bad line work then I'd expect a critique because it's something that can be pointed out for me to look at and work on. One should be able to notice the problems with their own work in the first few lessons. I haven't started yet but I can see the flaws in my lines and see that I need improvement.
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I would strongly recommend checking out the DrawABox Discord, it's very active and much easier to get critiques there.
| 0 | 7,931 | 4.333333 | ||
c05e3o
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
Why are critiques so sporadic? After just finishing watching lesson 0 I thought I'd check out this subreddit to see what the process is like. The video says not to work in a vacuum and post to get feedback, I think Rebecca Rand's review video says the same, and yet there are posts with absolutely zero comments. It's not that it's the same lesson type that don't seem to get feedback as there's one post about lines with 15 comments and then on the opposite side one post with none. Is it down to the influx of newer learners or perhaps people not thinking they're good enough to offer feedback or maybe the people who have nearly finished the course not sticking around in this sub anymore? Surely people who are on lesson 2 can offer advice for others who are starting lesson 1? I'm genuinely curious as I know you can't force people to give critiques but where else are you supposed to post if the dedicated subreddit doesn't come through? If this comes across as an attack, it's not. I've yet to start but I feel sad for the people who are posting in the anticipation of receiving some kind of feedback and getting nothing in return.
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er2sdxe
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er1f2xd
| 1,560,448,960 | 1,560,430,946 | 26 | 3 |
I would strongly recommend checking out the DrawABox Discord, it's very active and much easier to get critiques there.
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I wondered this too
| 1 | 18,014 | 8.666667 | ||
c05e3o
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
Why are critiques so sporadic? After just finishing watching lesson 0 I thought I'd check out this subreddit to see what the process is like. The video says not to work in a vacuum and post to get feedback, I think Rebecca Rand's review video says the same, and yet there are posts with absolutely zero comments. It's not that it's the same lesson type that don't seem to get feedback as there's one post about lines with 15 comments and then on the opposite side one post with none. Is it down to the influx of newer learners or perhaps people not thinking they're good enough to offer feedback or maybe the people who have nearly finished the course not sticking around in this sub anymore? Surely people who are on lesson 2 can offer advice for others who are starting lesson 1? I'm genuinely curious as I know you can't force people to give critiques but where else are you supposed to post if the dedicated subreddit doesn't come through? If this comes across as an attack, it's not. I've yet to start but I feel sad for the people who are posting in the anticipation of receiving some kind of feedback and getting nothing in return.
|
er2sdxe
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er202rf
| 1,560,448,960 | 1,560,438,624 | 26 | 2 |
I would strongly recommend checking out the DrawABox Discord, it's very active and much easier to get critiques there.
|
It's easy to give positive and negative critique, but there is an art to giving proper balanced critique.
| 1 | 10,336 | 13 | ||
c05e3o
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
Why are critiques so sporadic? After just finishing watching lesson 0 I thought I'd check out this subreddit to see what the process is like. The video says not to work in a vacuum and post to get feedback, I think Rebecca Rand's review video says the same, and yet there are posts with absolutely zero comments. It's not that it's the same lesson type that don't seem to get feedback as there's one post about lines with 15 comments and then on the opposite side one post with none. Is it down to the influx of newer learners or perhaps people not thinking they're good enough to offer feedback or maybe the people who have nearly finished the course not sticking around in this sub anymore? Surely people who are on lesson 2 can offer advice for others who are starting lesson 1? I'm genuinely curious as I know you can't force people to give critiques but where else are you supposed to post if the dedicated subreddit doesn't come through? If this comes across as an attack, it's not. I've yet to start but I feel sad for the people who are posting in the anticipation of receiving some kind of feedback and getting nothing in return.
|
er32jnb
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er1tmiw
| 1,560,454,620 | 1,560,436,373 | 22 | 16 |
Reddit unfortunately isn't the greatest for back-and-forth conversation. It's as much of a popularity contest as any other social media platform is.
|
From the perspective of someone who has participated in an online writing community and those types of critiques, theyre just hard. Like straight up, giving good critique is very mentally draining and can take awhile. Add to the fact that the people doing it for free are, well, doing it for free. Those people are rather scarce, since you need: A) Somone who is willing to do it B) someone who has the time to do it C) Someone who has the drawing perspective to give good crit D) Finally, someone who is able to have the mental fortitude to actually start a crit and finish a crit Burn out is a very real thing and happens rather quickly, especially when you factor in how much of the crit is the same. When it's the same lessons over and ober again with the same practices, there isnt too mucb variety in what is being crit. This does not, however, simplify the task. TL;DR So for me, I am not surprised at all by a lack of people giving crit. Its time consuming and hard to do. The best answer is to just keep on trucking. Maybe find a friend who is willing to give you crit, try to advertise in different circles. Keep practicing all the while. During the find critique time would be a good spot to slow down thr practicing a bit and amp up the draw for fun spots. Its a hard problem to deal with byt it is solveable, but like everything else, you gotta bs patient. Be proactive to, just remember that you mjght have to wait awhile.
| 1 | 18,247 | 1.375 | ||
c05e3o
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
Why are critiques so sporadic? After just finishing watching lesson 0 I thought I'd check out this subreddit to see what the process is like. The video says not to work in a vacuum and post to get feedback, I think Rebecca Rand's review video says the same, and yet there are posts with absolutely zero comments. It's not that it's the same lesson type that don't seem to get feedback as there's one post about lines with 15 comments and then on the opposite side one post with none. Is it down to the influx of newer learners or perhaps people not thinking they're good enough to offer feedback or maybe the people who have nearly finished the course not sticking around in this sub anymore? Surely people who are on lesson 2 can offer advice for others who are starting lesson 1? I'm genuinely curious as I know you can't force people to give critiques but where else are you supposed to post if the dedicated subreddit doesn't come through? If this comes across as an attack, it's not. I've yet to start but I feel sad for the people who are posting in the anticipation of receiving some kind of feedback and getting nothing in return.
|
er1lz8k
|
er32jnb
| 1,560,433,621 | 1,560,454,620 | 14 | 22 |
I often stop myself from giving critiques because I feel unqualified. Idk. Maybe I should do it more.
|
Reddit unfortunately isn't the greatest for back-and-forth conversation. It's as much of a popularity contest as any other social media platform is.
| 0 | 20,999 | 1.571429 | ||
c05e3o
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
Why are critiques so sporadic? After just finishing watching lesson 0 I thought I'd check out this subreddit to see what the process is like. The video says not to work in a vacuum and post to get feedback, I think Rebecca Rand's review video says the same, and yet there are posts with absolutely zero comments. It's not that it's the same lesson type that don't seem to get feedback as there's one post about lines with 15 comments and then on the opposite side one post with none. Is it down to the influx of newer learners or perhaps people not thinking they're good enough to offer feedback or maybe the people who have nearly finished the course not sticking around in this sub anymore? Surely people who are on lesson 2 can offer advice for others who are starting lesson 1? I'm genuinely curious as I know you can't force people to give critiques but where else are you supposed to post if the dedicated subreddit doesn't come through? If this comes across as an attack, it's not. I've yet to start but I feel sad for the people who are posting in the anticipation of receiving some kind of feedback and getting nothing in return.
|
er32jnb
|
er1k9ri
| 1,560,454,620 | 1,560,432,973 | 22 | 10 |
Reddit unfortunately isn't the greatest for back-and-forth conversation. It's as much of a popularity contest as any other social media platform is.
|
there are over 100,000 subredditors but they are at differnt stages and there are no dedicated staff or obligated redditers AKA its the internet so you can always try posting the same thing in a day or 2. this is the 'free' version of drawabox --- ie no patreon no guaranteed review/critique
| 1 | 21,647 | 2.2 | ||
c05e3o
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
Why are critiques so sporadic? After just finishing watching lesson 0 I thought I'd check out this subreddit to see what the process is like. The video says not to work in a vacuum and post to get feedback, I think Rebecca Rand's review video says the same, and yet there are posts with absolutely zero comments. It's not that it's the same lesson type that don't seem to get feedback as there's one post about lines with 15 comments and then on the opposite side one post with none. Is it down to the influx of newer learners or perhaps people not thinking they're good enough to offer feedback or maybe the people who have nearly finished the course not sticking around in this sub anymore? Surely people who are on lesson 2 can offer advice for others who are starting lesson 1? I'm genuinely curious as I know you can't force people to give critiques but where else are you supposed to post if the dedicated subreddit doesn't come through? If this comes across as an attack, it's not. I've yet to start but I feel sad for the people who are posting in the anticipation of receiving some kind of feedback and getting nothing in return.
|
er1o4b1
|
er32jnb
| 1,560,434,384 | 1,560,454,620 | 10 | 22 |
A large part of it has to do with reddit’s algorithms;a select few posts will show up in people’s home feeds and receive much more attention
|
Reddit unfortunately isn't the greatest for back-and-forth conversation. It's as much of a popularity contest as any other social media platform is.
| 0 | 20,236 | 2.2 | ||
c05e3o
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
Why are critiques so sporadic? After just finishing watching lesson 0 I thought I'd check out this subreddit to see what the process is like. The video says not to work in a vacuum and post to get feedback, I think Rebecca Rand's review video says the same, and yet there are posts with absolutely zero comments. It's not that it's the same lesson type that don't seem to get feedback as there's one post about lines with 15 comments and then on the opposite side one post with none. Is it down to the influx of newer learners or perhaps people not thinking they're good enough to offer feedback or maybe the people who have nearly finished the course not sticking around in this sub anymore? Surely people who are on lesson 2 can offer advice for others who are starting lesson 1? I'm genuinely curious as I know you can't force people to give critiques but where else are you supposed to post if the dedicated subreddit doesn't come through? If this comes across as an attack, it's not. I've yet to start but I feel sad for the people who are posting in the anticipation of receiving some kind of feedback and getting nothing in return.
|
er277go
|
er32jnb
| 1,560,441,029 | 1,560,454,620 | 6 | 22 |
I think posts on this sub should only be to stay accountable up to the point where you're drawing still life where critiques can be more detailed. If I drew a picture with bad perspective or bad line work then I'd expect a critique because it's something that can be pointed out for me to look at and work on. One should be able to notice the problems with their own work in the first few lessons. I haven't started yet but I can see the flaws in my lines and see that I need improvement.
|
Reddit unfortunately isn't the greatest for back-and-forth conversation. It's as much of a popularity contest as any other social media platform is.
| 0 | 13,591 | 3.666667 | ||
c05e3o
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
Why are critiques so sporadic? After just finishing watching lesson 0 I thought I'd check out this subreddit to see what the process is like. The video says not to work in a vacuum and post to get feedback, I think Rebecca Rand's review video says the same, and yet there are posts with absolutely zero comments. It's not that it's the same lesson type that don't seem to get feedback as there's one post about lines with 15 comments and then on the opposite side one post with none. Is it down to the influx of newer learners or perhaps people not thinking they're good enough to offer feedback or maybe the people who have nearly finished the course not sticking around in this sub anymore? Surely people who are on lesson 2 can offer advice for others who are starting lesson 1? I'm genuinely curious as I know you can't force people to give critiques but where else are you supposed to post if the dedicated subreddit doesn't come through? If this comes across as an attack, it's not. I've yet to start but I feel sad for the people who are posting in the anticipation of receiving some kind of feedback and getting nothing in return.
|
er1f2xd
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er32jnb
| 1,560,430,946 | 1,560,454,620 | 3 | 22 |
I wondered this too
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Reddit unfortunately isn't the greatest for back-and-forth conversation. It's as much of a popularity contest as any other social media platform is.
| 0 | 23,674 | 7.333333 | ||
c05e3o
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
Why are critiques so sporadic? After just finishing watching lesson 0 I thought I'd check out this subreddit to see what the process is like. The video says not to work in a vacuum and post to get feedback, I think Rebecca Rand's review video says the same, and yet there are posts with absolutely zero comments. It's not that it's the same lesson type that don't seem to get feedback as there's one post about lines with 15 comments and then on the opposite side one post with none. Is it down to the influx of newer learners or perhaps people not thinking they're good enough to offer feedback or maybe the people who have nearly finished the course not sticking around in this sub anymore? Surely people who are on lesson 2 can offer advice for others who are starting lesson 1? I'm genuinely curious as I know you can't force people to give critiques but where else are you supposed to post if the dedicated subreddit doesn't come through? If this comes across as an attack, it's not. I've yet to start but I feel sad for the people who are posting in the anticipation of receiving some kind of feedback and getting nothing in return.
|
er32jnb
|
er202rf
| 1,560,454,620 | 1,560,438,624 | 22 | 2 |
Reddit unfortunately isn't the greatest for back-and-forth conversation. It's as much of a popularity contest as any other social media platform is.
|
It's easy to give positive and negative critique, but there is an art to giving proper balanced critique.
| 1 | 15,996 | 11 | ||
c05e3o
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
Why are critiques so sporadic? After just finishing watching lesson 0 I thought I'd check out this subreddit to see what the process is like. The video says not to work in a vacuum and post to get feedback, I think Rebecca Rand's review video says the same, and yet there are posts with absolutely zero comments. It's not that it's the same lesson type that don't seem to get feedback as there's one post about lines with 15 comments and then on the opposite side one post with none. Is it down to the influx of newer learners or perhaps people not thinking they're good enough to offer feedback or maybe the people who have nearly finished the course not sticking around in this sub anymore? Surely people who are on lesson 2 can offer advice for others who are starting lesson 1? I'm genuinely curious as I know you can't force people to give critiques but where else are you supposed to post if the dedicated subreddit doesn't come through? If this comes across as an attack, it's not. I've yet to start but I feel sad for the people who are posting in the anticipation of receiving some kind of feedback and getting nothing in return.
|
er1lz8k
|
er1tmiw
| 1,560,433,621 | 1,560,436,373 | 14 | 16 |
I often stop myself from giving critiques because I feel unqualified. Idk. Maybe I should do it more.
|
From the perspective of someone who has participated in an online writing community and those types of critiques, theyre just hard. Like straight up, giving good critique is very mentally draining and can take awhile. Add to the fact that the people doing it for free are, well, doing it for free. Those people are rather scarce, since you need: A) Somone who is willing to do it B) someone who has the time to do it C) Someone who has the drawing perspective to give good crit D) Finally, someone who is able to have the mental fortitude to actually start a crit and finish a crit Burn out is a very real thing and happens rather quickly, especially when you factor in how much of the crit is the same. When it's the same lessons over and ober again with the same practices, there isnt too mucb variety in what is being crit. This does not, however, simplify the task. TL;DR So for me, I am not surprised at all by a lack of people giving crit. Its time consuming and hard to do. The best answer is to just keep on trucking. Maybe find a friend who is willing to give you crit, try to advertise in different circles. Keep practicing all the while. During the find critique time would be a good spot to slow down thr practicing a bit and amp up the draw for fun spots. Its a hard problem to deal with byt it is solveable, but like everything else, you gotta bs patient. Be proactive to, just remember that you mjght have to wait awhile.
| 0 | 2,752 | 1.142857 | ||
c05e3o
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
Why are critiques so sporadic? After just finishing watching lesson 0 I thought I'd check out this subreddit to see what the process is like. The video says not to work in a vacuum and post to get feedback, I think Rebecca Rand's review video says the same, and yet there are posts with absolutely zero comments. It's not that it's the same lesson type that don't seem to get feedback as there's one post about lines with 15 comments and then on the opposite side one post with none. Is it down to the influx of newer learners or perhaps people not thinking they're good enough to offer feedback or maybe the people who have nearly finished the course not sticking around in this sub anymore? Surely people who are on lesson 2 can offer advice for others who are starting lesson 1? I'm genuinely curious as I know you can't force people to give critiques but where else are you supposed to post if the dedicated subreddit doesn't come through? If this comes across as an attack, it's not. I've yet to start but I feel sad for the people who are posting in the anticipation of receiving some kind of feedback and getting nothing in return.
|
er1k9ri
|
er1tmiw
| 1,560,432,973 | 1,560,436,373 | 10 | 16 |
there are over 100,000 subredditors but they are at differnt stages and there are no dedicated staff or obligated redditers AKA its the internet so you can always try posting the same thing in a day or 2. this is the 'free' version of drawabox --- ie no patreon no guaranteed review/critique
|
From the perspective of someone who has participated in an online writing community and those types of critiques, theyre just hard. Like straight up, giving good critique is very mentally draining and can take awhile. Add to the fact that the people doing it for free are, well, doing it for free. Those people are rather scarce, since you need: A) Somone who is willing to do it B) someone who has the time to do it C) Someone who has the drawing perspective to give good crit D) Finally, someone who is able to have the mental fortitude to actually start a crit and finish a crit Burn out is a very real thing and happens rather quickly, especially when you factor in how much of the crit is the same. When it's the same lessons over and ober again with the same practices, there isnt too mucb variety in what is being crit. This does not, however, simplify the task. TL;DR So for me, I am not surprised at all by a lack of people giving crit. Its time consuming and hard to do. The best answer is to just keep on trucking. Maybe find a friend who is willing to give you crit, try to advertise in different circles. Keep practicing all the while. During the find critique time would be a good spot to slow down thr practicing a bit and amp up the draw for fun spots. Its a hard problem to deal with byt it is solveable, but like everything else, you gotta bs patient. Be proactive to, just remember that you mjght have to wait awhile.
| 0 | 3,400 | 1.6 | ||
c05e3o
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
Why are critiques so sporadic? After just finishing watching lesson 0 I thought I'd check out this subreddit to see what the process is like. The video says not to work in a vacuum and post to get feedback, I think Rebecca Rand's review video says the same, and yet there are posts with absolutely zero comments. It's not that it's the same lesson type that don't seem to get feedback as there's one post about lines with 15 comments and then on the opposite side one post with none. Is it down to the influx of newer learners or perhaps people not thinking they're good enough to offer feedback or maybe the people who have nearly finished the course not sticking around in this sub anymore? Surely people who are on lesson 2 can offer advice for others who are starting lesson 1? I'm genuinely curious as I know you can't force people to give critiques but where else are you supposed to post if the dedicated subreddit doesn't come through? If this comes across as an attack, it's not. I've yet to start but I feel sad for the people who are posting in the anticipation of receiving some kind of feedback and getting nothing in return.
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er1o4b1
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er1tmiw
| 1,560,434,384 | 1,560,436,373 | 10 | 16 |
A large part of it has to do with reddit’s algorithms;a select few posts will show up in people’s home feeds and receive much more attention
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From the perspective of someone who has participated in an online writing community and those types of critiques, theyre just hard. Like straight up, giving good critique is very mentally draining and can take awhile. Add to the fact that the people doing it for free are, well, doing it for free. Those people are rather scarce, since you need: A) Somone who is willing to do it B) someone who has the time to do it C) Someone who has the drawing perspective to give good crit D) Finally, someone who is able to have the mental fortitude to actually start a crit and finish a crit Burn out is a very real thing and happens rather quickly, especially when you factor in how much of the crit is the same. When it's the same lessons over and ober again with the same practices, there isnt too mucb variety in what is being crit. This does not, however, simplify the task. TL;DR So for me, I am not surprised at all by a lack of people giving crit. Its time consuming and hard to do. The best answer is to just keep on trucking. Maybe find a friend who is willing to give you crit, try to advertise in different circles. Keep practicing all the while. During the find critique time would be a good spot to slow down thr practicing a bit and amp up the draw for fun spots. Its a hard problem to deal with byt it is solveable, but like everything else, you gotta bs patient. Be proactive to, just remember that you mjght have to wait awhile.
| 0 | 1,989 | 1.6 | ||
c05e3o
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
Why are critiques so sporadic? After just finishing watching lesson 0 I thought I'd check out this subreddit to see what the process is like. The video says not to work in a vacuum and post to get feedback, I think Rebecca Rand's review video says the same, and yet there are posts with absolutely zero comments. It's not that it's the same lesson type that don't seem to get feedback as there's one post about lines with 15 comments and then on the opposite side one post with none. Is it down to the influx of newer learners or perhaps people not thinking they're good enough to offer feedback or maybe the people who have nearly finished the course not sticking around in this sub anymore? Surely people who are on lesson 2 can offer advice for others who are starting lesson 1? I'm genuinely curious as I know you can't force people to give critiques but where else are you supposed to post if the dedicated subreddit doesn't come through? If this comes across as an attack, it's not. I've yet to start but I feel sad for the people who are posting in the anticipation of receiving some kind of feedback and getting nothing in return.
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er1f2xd
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er1tmiw
| 1,560,430,946 | 1,560,436,373 | 3 | 16 |
I wondered this too
|
From the perspective of someone who has participated in an online writing community and those types of critiques, theyre just hard. Like straight up, giving good critique is very mentally draining and can take awhile. Add to the fact that the people doing it for free are, well, doing it for free. Those people are rather scarce, since you need: A) Somone who is willing to do it B) someone who has the time to do it C) Someone who has the drawing perspective to give good crit D) Finally, someone who is able to have the mental fortitude to actually start a crit and finish a crit Burn out is a very real thing and happens rather quickly, especially when you factor in how much of the crit is the same. When it's the same lessons over and ober again with the same practices, there isnt too mucb variety in what is being crit. This does not, however, simplify the task. TL;DR So for me, I am not surprised at all by a lack of people giving crit. Its time consuming and hard to do. The best answer is to just keep on trucking. Maybe find a friend who is willing to give you crit, try to advertise in different circles. Keep practicing all the while. During the find critique time would be a good spot to slow down thr practicing a bit and amp up the draw for fun spots. Its a hard problem to deal with byt it is solveable, but like everything else, you gotta bs patient. Be proactive to, just remember that you mjght have to wait awhile.
| 0 | 5,427 | 5.333333 | ||
c05e3o
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
Why are critiques so sporadic? After just finishing watching lesson 0 I thought I'd check out this subreddit to see what the process is like. The video says not to work in a vacuum and post to get feedback, I think Rebecca Rand's review video says the same, and yet there are posts with absolutely zero comments. It's not that it's the same lesson type that don't seem to get feedback as there's one post about lines with 15 comments and then on the opposite side one post with none. Is it down to the influx of newer learners or perhaps people not thinking they're good enough to offer feedback or maybe the people who have nearly finished the course not sticking around in this sub anymore? Surely people who are on lesson 2 can offer advice for others who are starting lesson 1? I'm genuinely curious as I know you can't force people to give critiques but where else are you supposed to post if the dedicated subreddit doesn't come through? If this comes across as an attack, it's not. I've yet to start but I feel sad for the people who are posting in the anticipation of receiving some kind of feedback and getting nothing in return.
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er1lz8k
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er1k9ri
| 1,560,433,621 | 1,560,432,973 | 14 | 10 |
I often stop myself from giving critiques because I feel unqualified. Idk. Maybe I should do it more.
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there are over 100,000 subredditors but they are at differnt stages and there are no dedicated staff or obligated redditers AKA its the internet so you can always try posting the same thing in a day or 2. this is the 'free' version of drawabox --- ie no patreon no guaranteed review/critique
| 1 | 648 | 1.4 | ||
c05e3o
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
Why are critiques so sporadic? After just finishing watching lesson 0 I thought I'd check out this subreddit to see what the process is like. The video says not to work in a vacuum and post to get feedback, I think Rebecca Rand's review video says the same, and yet there are posts with absolutely zero comments. It's not that it's the same lesson type that don't seem to get feedback as there's one post about lines with 15 comments and then on the opposite side one post with none. Is it down to the influx of newer learners or perhaps people not thinking they're good enough to offer feedback or maybe the people who have nearly finished the course not sticking around in this sub anymore? Surely people who are on lesson 2 can offer advice for others who are starting lesson 1? I'm genuinely curious as I know you can't force people to give critiques but where else are you supposed to post if the dedicated subreddit doesn't come through? If this comes across as an attack, it's not. I've yet to start but I feel sad for the people who are posting in the anticipation of receiving some kind of feedback and getting nothing in return.
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er1lz8k
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er1f2xd
| 1,560,433,621 | 1,560,430,946 | 14 | 3 |
I often stop myself from giving critiques because I feel unqualified. Idk. Maybe I should do it more.
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I wondered this too
| 1 | 2,675 | 4.666667 | ||
c05e3o
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
Why are critiques so sporadic? After just finishing watching lesson 0 I thought I'd check out this subreddit to see what the process is like. The video says not to work in a vacuum and post to get feedback, I think Rebecca Rand's review video says the same, and yet there are posts with absolutely zero comments. It's not that it's the same lesson type that don't seem to get feedback as there's one post about lines with 15 comments and then on the opposite side one post with none. Is it down to the influx of newer learners or perhaps people not thinking they're good enough to offer feedback or maybe the people who have nearly finished the course not sticking around in this sub anymore? Surely people who are on lesson 2 can offer advice for others who are starting lesson 1? I'm genuinely curious as I know you can't force people to give critiques but where else are you supposed to post if the dedicated subreddit doesn't come through? If this comes across as an attack, it's not. I've yet to start but I feel sad for the people who are posting in the anticipation of receiving some kind of feedback and getting nothing in return.
|
er1k9ri
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er1f2xd
| 1,560,432,973 | 1,560,430,946 | 10 | 3 |
there are over 100,000 subredditors but they are at differnt stages and there are no dedicated staff or obligated redditers AKA its the internet so you can always try posting the same thing in a day or 2. this is the 'free' version of drawabox --- ie no patreon no guaranteed review/critique
|
I wondered this too
| 1 | 2,027 | 3.333333 | ||
c05e3o
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
Why are critiques so sporadic? After just finishing watching lesson 0 I thought I'd check out this subreddit to see what the process is like. The video says not to work in a vacuum and post to get feedback, I think Rebecca Rand's review video says the same, and yet there are posts with absolutely zero comments. It's not that it's the same lesson type that don't seem to get feedback as there's one post about lines with 15 comments and then on the opposite side one post with none. Is it down to the influx of newer learners or perhaps people not thinking they're good enough to offer feedback or maybe the people who have nearly finished the course not sticking around in this sub anymore? Surely people who are on lesson 2 can offer advice for others who are starting lesson 1? I'm genuinely curious as I know you can't force people to give critiques but where else are you supposed to post if the dedicated subreddit doesn't come through? If this comes across as an attack, it's not. I've yet to start but I feel sad for the people who are posting in the anticipation of receiving some kind of feedback and getting nothing in return.
|
er1o4b1
|
er1f2xd
| 1,560,434,384 | 1,560,430,946 | 10 | 3 |
A large part of it has to do with reddit’s algorithms;a select few posts will show up in people’s home feeds and receive much more attention
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I wondered this too
| 1 | 3,438 | 3.333333 | ||
c05e3o
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
Why are critiques so sporadic? After just finishing watching lesson 0 I thought I'd check out this subreddit to see what the process is like. The video says not to work in a vacuum and post to get feedback, I think Rebecca Rand's review video says the same, and yet there are posts with absolutely zero comments. It's not that it's the same lesson type that don't seem to get feedback as there's one post about lines with 15 comments and then on the opposite side one post with none. Is it down to the influx of newer learners or perhaps people not thinking they're good enough to offer feedback or maybe the people who have nearly finished the course not sticking around in this sub anymore? Surely people who are on lesson 2 can offer advice for others who are starting lesson 1? I'm genuinely curious as I know you can't force people to give critiques but where else are you supposed to post if the dedicated subreddit doesn't come through? If this comes across as an attack, it's not. I've yet to start but I feel sad for the people who are posting in the anticipation of receiving some kind of feedback and getting nothing in return.
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er277go
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er5xcup
| 1,560,441,029 | 1,560,535,435 | 6 | 10 |
I think posts on this sub should only be to stay accountable up to the point where you're drawing still life where critiques can be more detailed. If I drew a picture with bad perspective or bad line work then I'd expect a critique because it's something that can be pointed out for me to look at and work on. One should be able to notice the problems with their own work in the first few lessons. I haven't started yet but I can see the flaws in my lines and see that I need improvement.
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the thing that infuriates me, and i may be speaking for most of the people here who have completed lesson 2 atleast, is when the newcomers post just single exercises. DUUUUUDE, i am not going to write an essay worth of material per exercise ....only uncomfortable can do that. I am only going to write a few lines, so atleast go through the trouble of finishing the entire lesson so that i have something to write to begin with. it says and has always said on the website to post the entire lesson on the subreddit, for single exercises and on-the-go one liner critiques discord is the place. Reddit comment section allows me 4000 characters (i think?) and comment chains, the system is designed to have LONG, Meaningful discussions. So why then are you posting stuff that's not even worth 10 words of critique? single exercises? why are they the only thing i see here nowadays? anyway that's just me.
| 0 | 94,406 | 1.666667 | ||
c05e3o
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
Why are critiques so sporadic? After just finishing watching lesson 0 I thought I'd check out this subreddit to see what the process is like. The video says not to work in a vacuum and post to get feedback, I think Rebecca Rand's review video says the same, and yet there are posts with absolutely zero comments. It's not that it's the same lesson type that don't seem to get feedback as there's one post about lines with 15 comments and then on the opposite side one post with none. Is it down to the influx of newer learners or perhaps people not thinking they're good enough to offer feedback or maybe the people who have nearly finished the course not sticking around in this sub anymore? Surely people who are on lesson 2 can offer advice for others who are starting lesson 1? I'm genuinely curious as I know you can't force people to give critiques but where else are you supposed to post if the dedicated subreddit doesn't come through? If this comes across as an attack, it's not. I've yet to start but I feel sad for the people who are posting in the anticipation of receiving some kind of feedback and getting nothing in return.
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er5xcup
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er3mo24
| 1,560,535,435 | 1,560,466,971 | 10 | 6 |
the thing that infuriates me, and i may be speaking for most of the people here who have completed lesson 2 atleast, is when the newcomers post just single exercises. DUUUUUDE, i am not going to write an essay worth of material per exercise ....only uncomfortable can do that. I am only going to write a few lines, so atleast go through the trouble of finishing the entire lesson so that i have something to write to begin with. it says and has always said on the website to post the entire lesson on the subreddit, for single exercises and on-the-go one liner critiques discord is the place. Reddit comment section allows me 4000 characters (i think?) and comment chains, the system is designed to have LONG, Meaningful discussions. So why then are you posting stuff that's not even worth 10 words of critique? single exercises? why are they the only thing i see here nowadays? anyway that's just me.
|
Part of it is the nature of reddit - it sorts certain posts to the top based on how much engagement they get, leading to them getting more engagement. If no one critiques you can try posting again and say in the title that you are posting again to get critique - you can also post on discord which might be more successful.
| 1 | 68,464 | 1.666667 | ||
c05e3o
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
Why are critiques so sporadic? After just finishing watching lesson 0 I thought I'd check out this subreddit to see what the process is like. The video says not to work in a vacuum and post to get feedback, I think Rebecca Rand's review video says the same, and yet there are posts with absolutely zero comments. It's not that it's the same lesson type that don't seem to get feedback as there's one post about lines with 15 comments and then on the opposite side one post with none. Is it down to the influx of newer learners or perhaps people not thinking they're good enough to offer feedback or maybe the people who have nearly finished the course not sticking around in this sub anymore? Surely people who are on lesson 2 can offer advice for others who are starting lesson 1? I'm genuinely curious as I know you can't force people to give critiques but where else are you supposed to post if the dedicated subreddit doesn't come through? If this comes across as an attack, it's not. I've yet to start but I feel sad for the people who are posting in the anticipation of receiving some kind of feedback and getting nothing in return.
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er3qrfm
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er5xcup
| 1,560,470,176 | 1,560,535,435 | 5 | 10 |
Well, when I see a post even if I’m in the next lesson I don’t feel adept enough to offer any critique. I could say what I THINK is wrong and could be done better, but I don’t want to offer wrong info. I’d rather leave it to people who have finished the whole course.
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the thing that infuriates me, and i may be speaking for most of the people here who have completed lesson 2 atleast, is when the newcomers post just single exercises. DUUUUUDE, i am not going to write an essay worth of material per exercise ....only uncomfortable can do that. I am only going to write a few lines, so atleast go through the trouble of finishing the entire lesson so that i have something to write to begin with. it says and has always said on the website to post the entire lesson on the subreddit, for single exercises and on-the-go one liner critiques discord is the place. Reddit comment section allows me 4000 characters (i think?) and comment chains, the system is designed to have LONG, Meaningful discussions. So why then are you posting stuff that's not even worth 10 words of critique? single exercises? why are they the only thing i see here nowadays? anyway that's just me.
| 0 | 65,259 | 2 | ||
c05e3o
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
Why are critiques so sporadic? After just finishing watching lesson 0 I thought I'd check out this subreddit to see what the process is like. The video says not to work in a vacuum and post to get feedback, I think Rebecca Rand's review video says the same, and yet there are posts with absolutely zero comments. It's not that it's the same lesson type that don't seem to get feedback as there's one post about lines with 15 comments and then on the opposite side one post with none. Is it down to the influx of newer learners or perhaps people not thinking they're good enough to offer feedback or maybe the people who have nearly finished the course not sticking around in this sub anymore? Surely people who are on lesson 2 can offer advice for others who are starting lesson 1? I'm genuinely curious as I know you can't force people to give critiques but where else are you supposed to post if the dedicated subreddit doesn't come through? If this comes across as an attack, it's not. I've yet to start but I feel sad for the people who are posting in the anticipation of receiving some kind of feedback and getting nothing in return.
|
er5xcup
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er1f2xd
| 1,560,535,435 | 1,560,430,946 | 10 | 3 |
the thing that infuriates me, and i may be speaking for most of the people here who have completed lesson 2 atleast, is when the newcomers post just single exercises. DUUUUUDE, i am not going to write an essay worth of material per exercise ....only uncomfortable can do that. I am only going to write a few lines, so atleast go through the trouble of finishing the entire lesson so that i have something to write to begin with. it says and has always said on the website to post the entire lesson on the subreddit, for single exercises and on-the-go one liner critiques discord is the place. Reddit comment section allows me 4000 characters (i think?) and comment chains, the system is designed to have LONG, Meaningful discussions. So why then are you posting stuff that's not even worth 10 words of critique? single exercises? why are they the only thing i see here nowadays? anyway that's just me.
|
I wondered this too
| 1 | 104,489 | 3.333333 | ||
c05e3o
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
Why are critiques so sporadic? After just finishing watching lesson 0 I thought I'd check out this subreddit to see what the process is like. The video says not to work in a vacuum and post to get feedback, I think Rebecca Rand's review video says the same, and yet there are posts with absolutely zero comments. It's not that it's the same lesson type that don't seem to get feedback as there's one post about lines with 15 comments and then on the opposite side one post with none. Is it down to the influx of newer learners or perhaps people not thinking they're good enough to offer feedback or maybe the people who have nearly finished the course not sticking around in this sub anymore? Surely people who are on lesson 2 can offer advice for others who are starting lesson 1? I'm genuinely curious as I know you can't force people to give critiques but where else are you supposed to post if the dedicated subreddit doesn't come through? If this comes across as an attack, it's not. I've yet to start but I feel sad for the people who are posting in the anticipation of receiving some kind of feedback and getting nothing in return.
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er202rf
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er5xcup
| 1,560,438,624 | 1,560,535,435 | 2 | 10 |
It's easy to give positive and negative critique, but there is an art to giving proper balanced critique.
|
the thing that infuriates me, and i may be speaking for most of the people here who have completed lesson 2 atleast, is when the newcomers post just single exercises. DUUUUUDE, i am not going to write an essay worth of material per exercise ....only uncomfortable can do that. I am only going to write a few lines, so atleast go through the trouble of finishing the entire lesson so that i have something to write to begin with. it says and has always said on the website to post the entire lesson on the subreddit, for single exercises and on-the-go one liner critiques discord is the place. Reddit comment section allows me 4000 characters (i think?) and comment chains, the system is designed to have LONG, Meaningful discussions. So why then are you posting stuff that's not even worth 10 words of critique? single exercises? why are they the only thing i see here nowadays? anyway that's just me.
| 0 | 96,811 | 5 | ||
c05e3o
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
Why are critiques so sporadic? After just finishing watching lesson 0 I thought I'd check out this subreddit to see what the process is like. The video says not to work in a vacuum and post to get feedback, I think Rebecca Rand's review video says the same, and yet there are posts with absolutely zero comments. It's not that it's the same lesson type that don't seem to get feedback as there's one post about lines with 15 comments and then on the opposite side one post with none. Is it down to the influx of newer learners or perhaps people not thinking they're good enough to offer feedback or maybe the people who have nearly finished the course not sticking around in this sub anymore? Surely people who are on lesson 2 can offer advice for others who are starting lesson 1? I'm genuinely curious as I know you can't force people to give critiques but where else are you supposed to post if the dedicated subreddit doesn't come through? If this comes across as an attack, it's not. I've yet to start but I feel sad for the people who are posting in the anticipation of receiving some kind of feedback and getting nothing in return.
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er3lx6o
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er5xcup
| 1,560,466,401 | 1,560,535,435 | 3 | 10 |
Is it alright to move on without any feedback? I posted the completed lesson 1 and I don't think anyone saw it :( haha but I've been doing the 250 boxes because I know I'm not at a good level with those but once I'm done with them I want to move on to lesson 2 but not sure if I should.
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the thing that infuriates me, and i may be speaking for most of the people here who have completed lesson 2 atleast, is when the newcomers post just single exercises. DUUUUUDE, i am not going to write an essay worth of material per exercise ....only uncomfortable can do that. I am only going to write a few lines, so atleast go through the trouble of finishing the entire lesson so that i have something to write to begin with. it says and has always said on the website to post the entire lesson on the subreddit, for single exercises and on-the-go one liner critiques discord is the place. Reddit comment section allows me 4000 characters (i think?) and comment chains, the system is designed to have LONG, Meaningful discussions. So why then are you posting stuff that's not even worth 10 words of critique? single exercises? why are they the only thing i see here nowadays? anyway that's just me.
| 0 | 69,034 | 3.333333 | ||
c05e3o
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
Why are critiques so sporadic? After just finishing watching lesson 0 I thought I'd check out this subreddit to see what the process is like. The video says not to work in a vacuum and post to get feedback, I think Rebecca Rand's review video says the same, and yet there are posts with absolutely zero comments. It's not that it's the same lesson type that don't seem to get feedback as there's one post about lines with 15 comments and then on the opposite side one post with none. Is it down to the influx of newer learners or perhaps people not thinking they're good enough to offer feedback or maybe the people who have nearly finished the course not sticking around in this sub anymore? Surely people who are on lesson 2 can offer advice for others who are starting lesson 1? I'm genuinely curious as I know you can't force people to give critiques but where else are you supposed to post if the dedicated subreddit doesn't come through? If this comes across as an attack, it's not. I've yet to start but I feel sad for the people who are posting in the anticipation of receiving some kind of feedback and getting nothing in return.
|
er1f2xd
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er277go
| 1,560,430,946 | 1,560,441,029 | 3 | 6 |
I wondered this too
|
I think posts on this sub should only be to stay accountable up to the point where you're drawing still life where critiques can be more detailed. If I drew a picture with bad perspective or bad line work then I'd expect a critique because it's something that can be pointed out for me to look at and work on. One should be able to notice the problems with their own work in the first few lessons. I haven't started yet but I can see the flaws in my lines and see that I need improvement.
| 0 | 10,083 | 2 | ||
c05e3o
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
Why are critiques so sporadic? After just finishing watching lesson 0 I thought I'd check out this subreddit to see what the process is like. The video says not to work in a vacuum and post to get feedback, I think Rebecca Rand's review video says the same, and yet there are posts with absolutely zero comments. It's not that it's the same lesson type that don't seem to get feedback as there's one post about lines with 15 comments and then on the opposite side one post with none. Is it down to the influx of newer learners or perhaps people not thinking they're good enough to offer feedback or maybe the people who have nearly finished the course not sticking around in this sub anymore? Surely people who are on lesson 2 can offer advice for others who are starting lesson 1? I'm genuinely curious as I know you can't force people to give critiques but where else are you supposed to post if the dedicated subreddit doesn't come through? If this comes across as an attack, it's not. I've yet to start but I feel sad for the people who are posting in the anticipation of receiving some kind of feedback and getting nothing in return.
|
er277go
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er202rf
| 1,560,441,029 | 1,560,438,624 | 6 | 2 |
I think posts on this sub should only be to stay accountable up to the point where you're drawing still life where critiques can be more detailed. If I drew a picture with bad perspective or bad line work then I'd expect a critique because it's something that can be pointed out for me to look at and work on. One should be able to notice the problems with their own work in the first few lessons. I haven't started yet but I can see the flaws in my lines and see that I need improvement.
|
It's easy to give positive and negative critique, but there is an art to giving proper balanced critique.
| 1 | 2,405 | 3 | ||
c05e3o
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
Why are critiques so sporadic? After just finishing watching lesson 0 I thought I'd check out this subreddit to see what the process is like. The video says not to work in a vacuum and post to get feedback, I think Rebecca Rand's review video says the same, and yet there are posts with absolutely zero comments. It's not that it's the same lesson type that don't seem to get feedback as there's one post about lines with 15 comments and then on the opposite side one post with none. Is it down to the influx of newer learners or perhaps people not thinking they're good enough to offer feedback or maybe the people who have nearly finished the course not sticking around in this sub anymore? Surely people who are on lesson 2 can offer advice for others who are starting lesson 1? I'm genuinely curious as I know you can't force people to give critiques but where else are you supposed to post if the dedicated subreddit doesn't come through? If this comes across as an attack, it's not. I've yet to start but I feel sad for the people who are posting in the anticipation of receiving some kind of feedback and getting nothing in return.
|
er1f2xd
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er3mo24
| 1,560,430,946 | 1,560,466,971 | 3 | 6 |
I wondered this too
|
Part of it is the nature of reddit - it sorts certain posts to the top based on how much engagement they get, leading to them getting more engagement. If no one critiques you can try posting again and say in the title that you are posting again to get critique - you can also post on discord which might be more successful.
| 0 | 36,025 | 2 |
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