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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
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The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g36mw8t
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g360mvb
| 1,598,654,103 | 1,598,643,165 | 24 | 19 |
Hi, I've completed the course and did it entirely in pen and paid for critique, where it's a strict requirement. The course is not easy in pen by any means and I understand why people baulk at it. I'm glad I did it because now that I've transitioned to almost exclusively digital, I find myself undoing a lot even still. The skills transferred from what I learnt on paper and my lines are confident and generally accurate but I've still got that digital muscle memory of undo, no matter what I do on my tablet. Sometimes I'll try hitting the undo button on stuff I do on paper. It's just so ingrained in our brains it's nearly impossible to shake. Drawabox is just as much about ingraining a good habit of confidence and muscle memory as it is about making you think before you draw a line. When you undo and redo, you're not really taking the time to really plan it out. As a fellow millennial, I switch between paper and my tablet a lot. I work in IT so creating on a screen is something I do all day every day and drawing on paper reminds me of being a kid and the internet not yet taking over the world. I remember drawing on that weird dot matrix printer paper with the hole punched edges that you could tear off because my parents had boxes of it. Which brings me to my next point, if you wanted to get more out of it while still following the spirit of the rules, you could use a ballpoint and printer paper. You probably have both floating around somewhere, if not the printer paper is usually around $3-5 for a ream and ballpoint a few cents.
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You can do the exercises digitally, it's just not recommended due to the extra layers of complexity that are added—if you make a mistake, you have to wade through them to figure out what the issue was. However, if you have had the tablet for a year as you mentioned, you may already know the ins & outs of the hardware & software, hopefully minimizing its confounding influence. If it's a matter of doing them digitally or not doing them at all, obviously doing them digitally is better than not. If the insistence on physical media is stressing you, then just do them digitally. It's a strongly stated recommendation that is repeated often, but at the end of the day as long as you're improving through practice that's what matters. Learning a skill like art is a long-term endeavor that spans years. Find the way that works best for you. Being faster or slower at the start matters less than whether or not you can stick to it. If you do go digital though, as others have mentioned, don't use control z and set the line smoothing in your program to 0. Get rid of the shortcuts of digital and go about it as though you were using a pen.
| 1 | 10,938 | 1.263158 | ||
iibqat
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g35yzpy
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g36mw8t
| 1,598,642,390 | 1,598,654,103 | 17 | 24 |
I also feel this way but i keep telling myself that whatever the media is, with enough work from ourselves, we can achieve great things. My goal is to get a strong fundation and finally be able to draw things i see in real life but also in my imagination. I don’t think the media can stop this
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Hi, I've completed the course and did it entirely in pen and paid for critique, where it's a strict requirement. The course is not easy in pen by any means and I understand why people baulk at it. I'm glad I did it because now that I've transitioned to almost exclusively digital, I find myself undoing a lot even still. The skills transferred from what I learnt on paper and my lines are confident and generally accurate but I've still got that digital muscle memory of undo, no matter what I do on my tablet. Sometimes I'll try hitting the undo button on stuff I do on paper. It's just so ingrained in our brains it's nearly impossible to shake. Drawabox is just as much about ingraining a good habit of confidence and muscle memory as it is about making you think before you draw a line. When you undo and redo, you're not really taking the time to really plan it out. As a fellow millennial, I switch between paper and my tablet a lot. I work in IT so creating on a screen is something I do all day every day and drawing on paper reminds me of being a kid and the internet not yet taking over the world. I remember drawing on that weird dot matrix printer paper with the hole punched edges that you could tear off because my parents had boxes of it. Which brings me to my next point, if you wanted to get more out of it while still following the spirit of the rules, you could use a ballpoint and printer paper. You probably have both floating around somewhere, if not the printer paper is usually around $3-5 for a ream and ballpoint a few cents.
| 0 | 11,713 | 1.411765 | ||
iibqat
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g36mw8t
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g35w8w7
| 1,598,654,103 | 1,598,641,089 | 24 | 13 |
Hi, I've completed the course and did it entirely in pen and paid for critique, where it's a strict requirement. The course is not easy in pen by any means and I understand why people baulk at it. I'm glad I did it because now that I've transitioned to almost exclusively digital, I find myself undoing a lot even still. The skills transferred from what I learnt on paper and my lines are confident and generally accurate but I've still got that digital muscle memory of undo, no matter what I do on my tablet. Sometimes I'll try hitting the undo button on stuff I do on paper. It's just so ingrained in our brains it's nearly impossible to shake. Drawabox is just as much about ingraining a good habit of confidence and muscle memory as it is about making you think before you draw a line. When you undo and redo, you're not really taking the time to really plan it out. As a fellow millennial, I switch between paper and my tablet a lot. I work in IT so creating on a screen is something I do all day every day and drawing on paper reminds me of being a kid and the internet not yet taking over the world. I remember drawing on that weird dot matrix printer paper with the hole punched edges that you could tear off because my parents had boxes of it. Which brings me to my next point, if you wanted to get more out of it while still following the spirit of the rules, you could use a ballpoint and printer paper. You probably have both floating around somewhere, if not the printer paper is usually around $3-5 for a ream and ballpoint a few cents.
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If you're going to insist on digital tablets you should at least do all the exercises without the "undo feature". The point of the fine liners is that you cant erase it. It makes you better.
| 1 | 13,014 | 1.846154 | ||
iibqat
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g3631zn
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g36mw8t
| 1,598,644,304 | 1,598,654,103 | 13 | 24 |
It's a similar situation for me as well. I get that why creator (I don't know drawabox's creator's name) wants us to use fineliner pen, cause it's better and leaves a good mark (or whatever it's called, my english is not that good) but I just can't. Local currency lost all of it's value in Turkey and stores just don't sell fineliners, especially the ones in my small town. I could try buying them online but I just don't know if a set of fineliners would be any good for 10 Liras (thats like 1.4 dollars), they most likely would be of shitty quality. Tbh as a complete beginner whose drawing experience before was to make a square and triangle house, I am scared of the backlash I would get marked as ''criticism'' because I didn't get fineliners. I am scared of sharing my homework because they are done with a pencil. Also the ''Why not pencil?'' part: How exactly am I missing the point when I say I won't use the eraser? What's wrong with hiding your wastefulness you made to outside eyes when you are confident end result is satisfactory for yourself? He says inability to control the opacity of strokes forces to develop a finer sense of pressure and goes on about bringing strokes to life. What's holding me up from developing a sense of pressure with pencil, you know which leaves different kind of opacity depending on which way you draw (like sideways) or pressure unlike fineliners, and bringing strokes from a pencil to life? I watched a video in which they said about drawabox ''follow everything, don't change the rules to your liking'' or something of that sort. Just, why? I am literally trying to learn the most basics while I am getting told to use fineliners exclusively. I feel like a little brother playing a video game with his big brother watching and leading him through the game, but the big brother is trying to make the little one follow HIS playstyle in the EXACT manner. Give me the basics big bro and let me play with a mouse and keyboard instead of forcing me to play on a joystick. There, felt like a child while typing all of that. TL;DR: I can't buy a good enough fineliner in my locale, am scared of posting the work done because first thing people would say me to under criticism is to go buy a fineliner. Creator writes a full theorem paper on why ink and not pencil and in my head it doesn't clear anything while he explains the majesticity of fineliners for a full page citing confidence and whatnot.
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Hi, I've completed the course and did it entirely in pen and paid for critique, where it's a strict requirement. The course is not easy in pen by any means and I understand why people baulk at it. I'm glad I did it because now that I've transitioned to almost exclusively digital, I find myself undoing a lot even still. The skills transferred from what I learnt on paper and my lines are confident and generally accurate but I've still got that digital muscle memory of undo, no matter what I do on my tablet. Sometimes I'll try hitting the undo button on stuff I do on paper. It's just so ingrained in our brains it's nearly impossible to shake. Drawabox is just as much about ingraining a good habit of confidence and muscle memory as it is about making you think before you draw a line. When you undo and redo, you're not really taking the time to really plan it out. As a fellow millennial, I switch between paper and my tablet a lot. I work in IT so creating on a screen is something I do all day every day and drawing on paper reminds me of being a kid and the internet not yet taking over the world. I remember drawing on that weird dot matrix printer paper with the hole punched edges that you could tear off because my parents had boxes of it. Which brings me to my next point, if you wanted to get more out of it while still following the spirit of the rules, you could use a ballpoint and printer paper. You probably have both floating around somewhere, if not the printer paper is usually around $3-5 for a ream and ballpoint a few cents.
| 0 | 9,799 | 1.846154 | ||
iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g36mw8t
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g3629xw
| 1,598,654,103 | 1,598,643,937 | 24 | 11 |
Hi, I've completed the course and did it entirely in pen and paid for critique, where it's a strict requirement. The course is not easy in pen by any means and I understand why people baulk at it. I'm glad I did it because now that I've transitioned to almost exclusively digital, I find myself undoing a lot even still. The skills transferred from what I learnt on paper and my lines are confident and generally accurate but I've still got that digital muscle memory of undo, no matter what I do on my tablet. Sometimes I'll try hitting the undo button on stuff I do on paper. It's just so ingrained in our brains it's nearly impossible to shake. Drawabox is just as much about ingraining a good habit of confidence and muscle memory as it is about making you think before you draw a line. When you undo and redo, you're not really taking the time to really plan it out. As a fellow millennial, I switch between paper and my tablet a lot. I work in IT so creating on a screen is something I do all day every day and drawing on paper reminds me of being a kid and the internet not yet taking over the world. I remember drawing on that weird dot matrix printer paper with the hole punched edges that you could tear off because my parents had boxes of it. Which brings me to my next point, if you wanted to get more out of it while still following the spirit of the rules, you could use a ballpoint and printer paper. You probably have both floating around somewhere, if not the printer paper is usually around $3-5 for a ream and ballpoint a few cents.
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I do it all digitally anyway and even if I draw on paper, I prefer 2mm leadholders to fineliners. I'm not ANTI fineliner but eh.
| 1 | 10,166 | 2.181818 | ||
iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g36kj72
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g36mw8t
| 1,598,652,868 | 1,598,654,103 | 10 | 24 |
A few completionist on the discord offered me a site called "ctl+paint". I haven't checked it out yet, but it seems to be a similar thing that's more geared to digital work.
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Hi, I've completed the course and did it entirely in pen and paid for critique, where it's a strict requirement. The course is not easy in pen by any means and I understand why people baulk at it. I'm glad I did it because now that I've transitioned to almost exclusively digital, I find myself undoing a lot even still. The skills transferred from what I learnt on paper and my lines are confident and generally accurate but I've still got that digital muscle memory of undo, no matter what I do on my tablet. Sometimes I'll try hitting the undo button on stuff I do on paper. It's just so ingrained in our brains it's nearly impossible to shake. Drawabox is just as much about ingraining a good habit of confidence and muscle memory as it is about making you think before you draw a line. When you undo and redo, you're not really taking the time to really plan it out. As a fellow millennial, I switch between paper and my tablet a lot. I work in IT so creating on a screen is something I do all day every day and drawing on paper reminds me of being a kid and the internet not yet taking over the world. I remember drawing on that weird dot matrix printer paper with the hole punched edges that you could tear off because my parents had boxes of it. Which brings me to my next point, if you wanted to get more out of it while still following the spirit of the rules, you could use a ballpoint and printer paper. You probably have both floating around somewhere, if not the printer paper is usually around $3-5 for a ream and ballpoint a few cents.
| 0 | 1,235 | 2.4 | ||
iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g36mecj
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g36mw8t
| 1,598,653,843 | 1,598,654,103 | 11 | 24 |
Use the tools that are available to you. I don't have fine liners though, I had them but to buy new ones I have to go to a place which is a few kilometers. They're expensive in my country, I could spend the money buying breakfast for almost a week. So I use ballpoint pens. They sometimes make the drawings a little dirty but get the job done. Like the other guy said there's a good reason to use fineliners, it's like you're learning the manual way first so you build important muscle memories. Ballpoints are not better than them but I can get almost the same result.
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Hi, I've completed the course and did it entirely in pen and paid for critique, where it's a strict requirement. The course is not easy in pen by any means and I understand why people baulk at it. I'm glad I did it because now that I've transitioned to almost exclusively digital, I find myself undoing a lot even still. The skills transferred from what I learnt on paper and my lines are confident and generally accurate but I've still got that digital muscle memory of undo, no matter what I do on my tablet. Sometimes I'll try hitting the undo button on stuff I do on paper. It's just so ingrained in our brains it's nearly impossible to shake. Drawabox is just as much about ingraining a good habit of confidence and muscle memory as it is about making you think before you draw a line. When you undo and redo, you're not really taking the time to really plan it out. As a fellow millennial, I switch between paper and my tablet a lot. I work in IT so creating on a screen is something I do all day every day and drawing on paper reminds me of being a kid and the internet not yet taking over the world. I remember drawing on that weird dot matrix printer paper with the hole punched edges that you could tear off because my parents had boxes of it. Which brings me to my next point, if you wanted to get more out of it while still following the spirit of the rules, you could use a ballpoint and printer paper. You probably have both floating around somewhere, if not the printer paper is usually around $3-5 for a ream and ballpoint a few cents.
| 0 | 260 | 2.181818 | ||
iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
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The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g35vk17
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g36mw8t
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Ahah, I enjoyed your rant. Maybe just use pen/paper for the exercises strictly but draw for fun on the pad?
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Hi, I've completed the course and did it entirely in pen and paid for critique, where it's a strict requirement. The course is not easy in pen by any means and I understand why people baulk at it. I'm glad I did it because now that I've transitioned to almost exclusively digital, I find myself undoing a lot even still. The skills transferred from what I learnt on paper and my lines are confident and generally accurate but I've still got that digital muscle memory of undo, no matter what I do on my tablet. Sometimes I'll try hitting the undo button on stuff I do on paper. It's just so ingrained in our brains it's nearly impossible to shake. Drawabox is just as much about ingraining a good habit of confidence and muscle memory as it is about making you think before you draw a line. When you undo and redo, you're not really taking the time to really plan it out. As a fellow millennial, I switch between paper and my tablet a lot. I work in IT so creating on a screen is something I do all day every day and drawing on paper reminds me of being a kid and the internet not yet taking over the world. I remember drawing on that weird dot matrix printer paper with the hole punched edges that you could tear off because my parents had boxes of it. Which brings me to my next point, if you wanted to get more out of it while still following the spirit of the rules, you could use a ballpoint and printer paper. You probably have both floating around somewhere, if not the printer paper is usually around $3-5 for a ream and ballpoint a few cents.
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iibqat
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The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g36mw8t
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g35y4vs
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Hi, I've completed the course and did it entirely in pen and paid for critique, where it's a strict requirement. The course is not easy in pen by any means and I understand why people baulk at it. I'm glad I did it because now that I've transitioned to almost exclusively digital, I find myself undoing a lot even still. The skills transferred from what I learnt on paper and my lines are confident and generally accurate but I've still got that digital muscle memory of undo, no matter what I do on my tablet. Sometimes I'll try hitting the undo button on stuff I do on paper. It's just so ingrained in our brains it's nearly impossible to shake. Drawabox is just as much about ingraining a good habit of confidence and muscle memory as it is about making you think before you draw a line. When you undo and redo, you're not really taking the time to really plan it out. As a fellow millennial, I switch between paper and my tablet a lot. I work in IT so creating on a screen is something I do all day every day and drawing on paper reminds me of being a kid and the internet not yet taking over the world. I remember drawing on that weird dot matrix printer paper with the hole punched edges that you could tear off because my parents had boxes of it. Which brings me to my next point, if you wanted to get more out of it while still following the spirit of the rules, you could use a ballpoint and printer paper. You probably have both floating around somewhere, if not the printer paper is usually around $3-5 for a ream and ballpoint a few cents.
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They aren’t saying that digital media is bad, just that it isn’t effective for this course. Definitely continue doing your art-for-fun with your tablet, but you should use pen and paper for this class. You can’t undo with paper, so you learn how to be more accurate over time. You can’t turn line smoothing on with paper, so you know better what you need to work on. It’s just a better way to learn this material. By all means, when you do your warmups, you can do them with your tablet. But the homework should be done with pen and paper.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
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The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g380cau
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personally have gotten some shit from certain people in the past exactly because ive chosen to do it digitally. Ive found myself to work way faster than the people who do it physically and ive improven way more rapidly compared to them. Honestly dont care what anyone says at this point, i get the whole concept of building confidence and not backing out of your mistakes, but id rather make 500 mistakes and hit undo and try again and build muscle memory than do fiddle around for 10 minutes ghosting every single line and then hit a clean stroke. However ive allocated myself 2 months to finish a certain amount of lessons. So if i can skip time i will.
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I have done the course with traditional media first and then did it again digitally to get used to a new tablet/program. You can use this course as you like. No one is stopping you, and even digitally, this course is great practice. What you have to have in mind is, that the skill you get by practicing can translate between mediums. That's why I would recommend using traditional first. In traditional, you have no safety nets, no help so to say. If you do it with a fineliner or ballpoint pen, you can't even go back a step. If you learn to draw in that environment, you learn to draw in every environment. In Digital, you could "recreate" that experience, but at least to me, a piece that is drawn on a piece of paper with a non erasable pen has a flair to it, that digital work can't emulate. And it certainly gives confidence, when you know that you don't need all that fancy stuff of digital. But, even if I like traditional, I use digital too. I just think, that the raw experience of traditional is a much better learning environment than digital. Edit: Also digital media can have its own problems for beginners. To get something into muscle memory, you usually practice by doing the thing you are supposed to do slower then usual to learn to do it right and in one motion. Digital tablets usually don't have the resistance that pen and paper have. In other words, the tablet is often slippery. It can be much harder to learn the basics that this course Reyes to get across on a digital tablet. Or with a beautiful analogy, if you want to learn to walk, you would do it on the normal ground, not on a frozen lake.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
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The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g380cau
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g360mvb
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I have done the course with traditional media first and then did it again digitally to get used to a new tablet/program. You can use this course as you like. No one is stopping you, and even digitally, this course is great practice. What you have to have in mind is, that the skill you get by practicing can translate between mediums. That's why I would recommend using traditional first. In traditional, you have no safety nets, no help so to say. If you do it with a fineliner or ballpoint pen, you can't even go back a step. If you learn to draw in that environment, you learn to draw in every environment. In Digital, you could "recreate" that experience, but at least to me, a piece that is drawn on a piece of paper with a non erasable pen has a flair to it, that digital work can't emulate. And it certainly gives confidence, when you know that you don't need all that fancy stuff of digital. But, even if I like traditional, I use digital too. I just think, that the raw experience of traditional is a much better learning environment than digital. Edit: Also digital media can have its own problems for beginners. To get something into muscle memory, you usually practice by doing the thing you are supposed to do slower then usual to learn to do it right and in one motion. Digital tablets usually don't have the resistance that pen and paper have. In other words, the tablet is often slippery. It can be much harder to learn the basics that this course Reyes to get across on a digital tablet. Or with a beautiful analogy, if you want to learn to walk, you would do it on the normal ground, not on a frozen lake.
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You can do the exercises digitally, it's just not recommended due to the extra layers of complexity that are added—if you make a mistake, you have to wade through them to figure out what the issue was. However, if you have had the tablet for a year as you mentioned, you may already know the ins & outs of the hardware & software, hopefully minimizing its confounding influence. If it's a matter of doing them digitally or not doing them at all, obviously doing them digitally is better than not. If the insistence on physical media is stressing you, then just do them digitally. It's a strongly stated recommendation that is repeated often, but at the end of the day as long as you're improving through practice that's what matters. Learning a skill like art is a long-term endeavor that spans years. Find the way that works best for you. Being faster or slower at the start matters less than whether or not you can stick to it. If you do go digital though, as others have mentioned, don't use control z and set the line smoothing in your program to 0. Get rid of the shortcuts of digital and go about it as though you were using a pen.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
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The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g373dhe
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g380cau
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Hey man, it’s art. Do what makes you feel good.
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I have done the course with traditional media first and then did it again digitally to get used to a new tablet/program. You can use this course as you like. No one is stopping you, and even digitally, this course is great practice. What you have to have in mind is, that the skill you get by practicing can translate between mediums. That's why I would recommend using traditional first. In traditional, you have no safety nets, no help so to say. If you do it with a fineliner or ballpoint pen, you can't even go back a step. If you learn to draw in that environment, you learn to draw in every environment. In Digital, you could "recreate" that experience, but at least to me, a piece that is drawn on a piece of paper with a non erasable pen has a flair to it, that digital work can't emulate. And it certainly gives confidence, when you know that you don't need all that fancy stuff of digital. But, even if I like traditional, I use digital too. I just think, that the raw experience of traditional is a much better learning environment than digital. Edit: Also digital media can have its own problems for beginners. To get something into muscle memory, you usually practice by doing the thing you are supposed to do slower then usual to learn to do it right and in one motion. Digital tablets usually don't have the resistance that pen and paper have. In other words, the tablet is often slippery. It can be much harder to learn the basics that this course Reyes to get across on a digital tablet. Or with a beautiful analogy, if you want to learn to walk, you would do it on the normal ground, not on a frozen lake.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
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The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g380cau
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g36xd7z
| 1,598,687,646 | 1,598,659,919 | 24 | 17 |
I have done the course with traditional media first and then did it again digitally to get used to a new tablet/program. You can use this course as you like. No one is stopping you, and even digitally, this course is great practice. What you have to have in mind is, that the skill you get by practicing can translate between mediums. That's why I would recommend using traditional first. In traditional, you have no safety nets, no help so to say. If you do it with a fineliner or ballpoint pen, you can't even go back a step. If you learn to draw in that environment, you learn to draw in every environment. In Digital, you could "recreate" that experience, but at least to me, a piece that is drawn on a piece of paper with a non erasable pen has a flair to it, that digital work can't emulate. And it certainly gives confidence, when you know that you don't need all that fancy stuff of digital. But, even if I like traditional, I use digital too. I just think, that the raw experience of traditional is a much better learning environment than digital. Edit: Also digital media can have its own problems for beginners. To get something into muscle memory, you usually practice by doing the thing you are supposed to do slower then usual to learn to do it right and in one motion. Digital tablets usually don't have the resistance that pen and paper have. In other words, the tablet is often slippery. It can be much harder to learn the basics that this course Reyes to get across on a digital tablet. Or with a beautiful analogy, if you want to learn to walk, you would do it on the normal ground, not on a frozen lake.
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keep using your tablet when you're drawing for fun if you choose to do so, because lets say you make a career for yourself in digital design. you don't want to throw that away because "one medium good, one medium bad". Use paper and pen for the lessons at least. I would say that, we shouldn't take everything that a teacher says, and say that their word is god. What i mean by that is, see why they're emphasizing the use of ink at the core. also, just for the benefit of practice, we need to extrapolate what we can. "It's because ink helps you develop confidence, conscientiousness and patience, and more than anything, develops in you a respect for every mark you put down that is difficult to find with any other tool. " in the lessons intro, they state that you just dont want to use a dry media made for graphite or charcoal, as it'll absorb your pen too fast as well. " **Do not** use sketch paper or other paper intended for dry media. It will drain your pens and hinder you as you draw. " i have killed so many sharpie pens prematurely by using them in a sketchbook. it also does admittedly feel like there's more drag with the felt tip on the sketchpaper than the printer paper, taking those factors into consideration, you would technically still benefit from say 0.5mm ballpoint pen on printer paper, with the emphasis on ink being the medium. It is more punishing, and your mistakes will show. this is for the better edit to add: a direct quote from the article you linked, titled "Why Ink?" "Let me preface this by pointing out one thing again - I am a digital artist. All of the work I do professionally is digital. What I am saying here by no means suggests that you should stay away from digital media. **I'm saying that digital tools are not the best way to go through these lessons**."
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
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The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g380cau
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g37cjyu
| 1,598,687,646 | 1,598,669,020 | 24 | 17 |
I have done the course with traditional media first and then did it again digitally to get used to a new tablet/program. You can use this course as you like. No one is stopping you, and even digitally, this course is great practice. What you have to have in mind is, that the skill you get by practicing can translate between mediums. That's why I would recommend using traditional first. In traditional, you have no safety nets, no help so to say. If you do it with a fineliner or ballpoint pen, you can't even go back a step. If you learn to draw in that environment, you learn to draw in every environment. In Digital, you could "recreate" that experience, but at least to me, a piece that is drawn on a piece of paper with a non erasable pen has a flair to it, that digital work can't emulate. And it certainly gives confidence, when you know that you don't need all that fancy stuff of digital. But, even if I like traditional, I use digital too. I just think, that the raw experience of traditional is a much better learning environment than digital. Edit: Also digital media can have its own problems for beginners. To get something into muscle memory, you usually practice by doing the thing you are supposed to do slower then usual to learn to do it right and in one motion. Digital tablets usually don't have the resistance that pen and paper have. In other words, the tablet is often slippery. It can be much harder to learn the basics that this course Reyes to get across on a digital tablet. Or with a beautiful analogy, if you want to learn to walk, you would do it on the normal ground, not on a frozen lake.
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Oh honestly op I think the most serious reason to do physical ink first is because digital inking can experience lag, drift, and sometimes the tip of the digital pen is different from where the pixels show up slightly and you need to learn (naturally) how to correct for that. Or to look to see if there is a gap between cursor and tip. Doing actual ink gives you a sense of how to better fine tune your digital settings to make them realistic and to ensure your digital pen pressure and sensitivity is up to snuff. Otherwise do whatever.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
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The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g35yzpy
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g380cau
| 1,598,642,390 | 1,598,687,646 | 17 | 24 |
I also feel this way but i keep telling myself that whatever the media is, with enough work from ourselves, we can achieve great things. My goal is to get a strong fundation and finally be able to draw things i see in real life but also in my imagination. I don’t think the media can stop this
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I have done the course with traditional media first and then did it again digitally to get used to a new tablet/program. You can use this course as you like. No one is stopping you, and even digitally, this course is great practice. What you have to have in mind is, that the skill you get by practicing can translate between mediums. That's why I would recommend using traditional first. In traditional, you have no safety nets, no help so to say. If you do it with a fineliner or ballpoint pen, you can't even go back a step. If you learn to draw in that environment, you learn to draw in every environment. In Digital, you could "recreate" that experience, but at least to me, a piece that is drawn on a piece of paper with a non erasable pen has a flair to it, that digital work can't emulate. And it certainly gives confidence, when you know that you don't need all that fancy stuff of digital. But, even if I like traditional, I use digital too. I just think, that the raw experience of traditional is a much better learning environment than digital. Edit: Also digital media can have its own problems for beginners. To get something into muscle memory, you usually practice by doing the thing you are supposed to do slower then usual to learn to do it right and in one motion. Digital tablets usually don't have the resistance that pen and paper have. In other words, the tablet is often slippery. It can be much harder to learn the basics that this course Reyes to get across on a digital tablet. Or with a beautiful analogy, if you want to learn to walk, you would do it on the normal ground, not on a frozen lake.
| 0 | 45,256 | 1.411765 | ||
iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g35w8w7
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g380cau
| 1,598,641,089 | 1,598,687,646 | 13 | 24 |
If you're going to insist on digital tablets you should at least do all the exercises without the "undo feature". The point of the fine liners is that you cant erase it. It makes you better.
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I have done the course with traditional media first and then did it again digitally to get used to a new tablet/program. You can use this course as you like. No one is stopping you, and even digitally, this course is great practice. What you have to have in mind is, that the skill you get by practicing can translate between mediums. That's why I would recommend using traditional first. In traditional, you have no safety nets, no help so to say. If you do it with a fineliner or ballpoint pen, you can't even go back a step. If you learn to draw in that environment, you learn to draw in every environment. In Digital, you could "recreate" that experience, but at least to me, a piece that is drawn on a piece of paper with a non erasable pen has a flair to it, that digital work can't emulate. And it certainly gives confidence, when you know that you don't need all that fancy stuff of digital. But, even if I like traditional, I use digital too. I just think, that the raw experience of traditional is a much better learning environment than digital. Edit: Also digital media can have its own problems for beginners. To get something into muscle memory, you usually practice by doing the thing you are supposed to do slower then usual to learn to do it right and in one motion. Digital tablets usually don't have the resistance that pen and paper have. In other words, the tablet is often slippery. It can be much harder to learn the basics that this course Reyes to get across on a digital tablet. Or with a beautiful analogy, if you want to learn to walk, you would do it on the normal ground, not on a frozen lake.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g3631zn
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g380cau
| 1,598,644,304 | 1,598,687,646 | 13 | 24 |
It's a similar situation for me as well. I get that why creator (I don't know drawabox's creator's name) wants us to use fineliner pen, cause it's better and leaves a good mark (or whatever it's called, my english is not that good) but I just can't. Local currency lost all of it's value in Turkey and stores just don't sell fineliners, especially the ones in my small town. I could try buying them online but I just don't know if a set of fineliners would be any good for 10 Liras (thats like 1.4 dollars), they most likely would be of shitty quality. Tbh as a complete beginner whose drawing experience before was to make a square and triangle house, I am scared of the backlash I would get marked as ''criticism'' because I didn't get fineliners. I am scared of sharing my homework because they are done with a pencil. Also the ''Why not pencil?'' part: How exactly am I missing the point when I say I won't use the eraser? What's wrong with hiding your wastefulness you made to outside eyes when you are confident end result is satisfactory for yourself? He says inability to control the opacity of strokes forces to develop a finer sense of pressure and goes on about bringing strokes to life. What's holding me up from developing a sense of pressure with pencil, you know which leaves different kind of opacity depending on which way you draw (like sideways) or pressure unlike fineliners, and bringing strokes from a pencil to life? I watched a video in which they said about drawabox ''follow everything, don't change the rules to your liking'' or something of that sort. Just, why? I am literally trying to learn the most basics while I am getting told to use fineliners exclusively. I feel like a little brother playing a video game with his big brother watching and leading him through the game, but the big brother is trying to make the little one follow HIS playstyle in the EXACT manner. Give me the basics big bro and let me play with a mouse and keyboard instead of forcing me to play on a joystick. There, felt like a child while typing all of that. TL;DR: I can't buy a good enough fineliner in my locale, am scared of posting the work done because first thing people would say me to under criticism is to go buy a fineliner. Creator writes a full theorem paper on why ink and not pencil and in my head it doesn't clear anything while he explains the majesticity of fineliners for a full page citing confidence and whatnot.
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I have done the course with traditional media first and then did it again digitally to get used to a new tablet/program. You can use this course as you like. No one is stopping you, and even digitally, this course is great practice. What you have to have in mind is, that the skill you get by practicing can translate between mediums. That's why I would recommend using traditional first. In traditional, you have no safety nets, no help so to say. If you do it with a fineliner or ballpoint pen, you can't even go back a step. If you learn to draw in that environment, you learn to draw in every environment. In Digital, you could "recreate" that experience, but at least to me, a piece that is drawn on a piece of paper with a non erasable pen has a flair to it, that digital work can't emulate. And it certainly gives confidence, when you know that you don't need all that fancy stuff of digital. But, even if I like traditional, I use digital too. I just think, that the raw experience of traditional is a much better learning environment than digital. Edit: Also digital media can have its own problems for beginners. To get something into muscle memory, you usually practice by doing the thing you are supposed to do slower then usual to learn to do it right and in one motion. Digital tablets usually don't have the resistance that pen and paper have. In other words, the tablet is often slippery. It can be much harder to learn the basics that this course Reyes to get across on a digital tablet. Or with a beautiful analogy, if you want to learn to walk, you would do it on the normal ground, not on a frozen lake.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g37keti
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g380cau
| 1,598,674,103 | 1,598,687,646 | 11 | 24 |
its kinda like math teachers telling us we won't always have calculators lol. I mean if you want the muscle memory for the fundamentals, then do the boot camp so to speak.. if you want the muscle memory for the certain style you have already chosen then keep doing that. Think of it like this, if you're shipping off to war, taking advice from the world war 2 vet could be hugely beneficial, but if the war you're going to be shipped off to is on space ships then maybe you better be familiar with the tech. digital is the modern industry standard. If you plan to do that then do that.. ctrl z that line until its perfect, don't like it later? transform it, using the tools available to you isn't cheating.. At the end of the day it is art.. the only thing you gotta do is you.. and how you got there isn't really important once you're there.
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I have done the course with traditional media first and then did it again digitally to get used to a new tablet/program. You can use this course as you like. No one is stopping you, and even digitally, this course is great practice. What you have to have in mind is, that the skill you get by practicing can translate between mediums. That's why I would recommend using traditional first. In traditional, you have no safety nets, no help so to say. If you do it with a fineliner or ballpoint pen, you can't even go back a step. If you learn to draw in that environment, you learn to draw in every environment. In Digital, you could "recreate" that experience, but at least to me, a piece that is drawn on a piece of paper with a non erasable pen has a flair to it, that digital work can't emulate. And it certainly gives confidence, when you know that you don't need all that fancy stuff of digital. But, even if I like traditional, I use digital too. I just think, that the raw experience of traditional is a much better learning environment than digital. Edit: Also digital media can have its own problems for beginners. To get something into muscle memory, you usually practice by doing the thing you are supposed to do slower then usual to learn to do it right and in one motion. Digital tablets usually don't have the resistance that pen and paper have. In other words, the tablet is often slippery. It can be much harder to learn the basics that this course Reyes to get across on a digital tablet. Or with a beautiful analogy, if you want to learn to walk, you would do it on the normal ground, not on a frozen lake.
| 0 | 13,543 | 2.181818 | ||
iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g380cau
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g3629xw
| 1,598,687,646 | 1,598,643,937 | 24 | 11 |
I have done the course with traditional media first and then did it again digitally to get used to a new tablet/program. You can use this course as you like. No one is stopping you, and even digitally, this course is great practice. What you have to have in mind is, that the skill you get by practicing can translate between mediums. That's why I would recommend using traditional first. In traditional, you have no safety nets, no help so to say. If you do it with a fineliner or ballpoint pen, you can't even go back a step. If you learn to draw in that environment, you learn to draw in every environment. In Digital, you could "recreate" that experience, but at least to me, a piece that is drawn on a piece of paper with a non erasable pen has a flair to it, that digital work can't emulate. And it certainly gives confidence, when you know that you don't need all that fancy stuff of digital. But, even if I like traditional, I use digital too. I just think, that the raw experience of traditional is a much better learning environment than digital. Edit: Also digital media can have its own problems for beginners. To get something into muscle memory, you usually practice by doing the thing you are supposed to do slower then usual to learn to do it right and in one motion. Digital tablets usually don't have the resistance that pen and paper have. In other words, the tablet is often slippery. It can be much harder to learn the basics that this course Reyes to get across on a digital tablet. Or with a beautiful analogy, if you want to learn to walk, you would do it on the normal ground, not on a frozen lake.
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I do it all digitally anyway and even if I draw on paper, I prefer 2mm leadholders to fineliners. I'm not ANTI fineliner but eh.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g37yocp
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g380cau
| 1,598,685,981 | 1,598,687,646 | 12 | 24 |
I read through half these replies and see a lot of answers but not the obvious one. I will give you a musicians perspective of this: Fine liners and a tablet are the same difference as recording on a four track without punch in and inside of a DAW (digital audio workstation). The DAW is faster, sleeker, more powerful, more modern, and in every regard is a better platform for getting an idea into shape and finished than anything else. It makes transposition not just easy but literally not a problem whatsoever I can play and it will transpose for me with MIDI. This is like a tablet with a visual editing program. Well, because if this and the fact that you can infinitely punch in and work wherever in the song you want with perfect ability to control Z there’s more musicians than ever before who have whole works that they can’t play because they only recorded it the one time and played the part only five or six times to record it. That’s all hunky dory if they don’t want to perform and all but it’s just a thing to be aware of. Comparatively, when outside of a DAW on a physical medium of other recorder without punch in you have to play the whole song all the way through when recording. As a result, your relationship with what you make and how you make changes it. So that’s the difference to me. Work only with a tablet and eventually you might find that if you want to draw something in real space with permanent mediums maybe you can’t and that you allow yourself to make far more mistakes which creates a bottleneck in your workflow. So to me the pen and ink accomplishes: smoothening your workflow by making you less likely to ride/ become dependent on “undo” functions, keeping your art skills at their peak, and honestly they just also have very different mind spaces for creation that allow you to work differently and the paths you take add fingerprints to your work one way or the other. Anyways, I read the link you attached and I don’t see they have a problem with tablets. They said that they use a tablet for all their professional work but think there is value in practicing with physical mediums, and as an artist working with sound under similar constraints for years at this point I absolutely agree wholeheartedly.
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I have done the course with traditional media first and then did it again digitally to get used to a new tablet/program. You can use this course as you like. No one is stopping you, and even digitally, this course is great practice. What you have to have in mind is, that the skill you get by practicing can translate between mediums. That's why I would recommend using traditional first. In traditional, you have no safety nets, no help so to say. If you do it with a fineliner or ballpoint pen, you can't even go back a step. If you learn to draw in that environment, you learn to draw in every environment. In Digital, you could "recreate" that experience, but at least to me, a piece that is drawn on a piece of paper with a non erasable pen has a flair to it, that digital work can't emulate. And it certainly gives confidence, when you know that you don't need all that fancy stuff of digital. But, even if I like traditional, I use digital too. I just think, that the raw experience of traditional is a much better learning environment than digital. Edit: Also digital media can have its own problems for beginners. To get something into muscle memory, you usually practice by doing the thing you are supposed to do slower then usual to learn to do it right and in one motion. Digital tablets usually don't have the resistance that pen and paper have. In other words, the tablet is often slippery. It can be much harder to learn the basics that this course Reyes to get across on a digital tablet. Or with a beautiful analogy, if you want to learn to walk, you would do it on the normal ground, not on a frozen lake.
| 0 | 1,665 | 2 | ||
iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g36kj72
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g380cau
| 1,598,652,868 | 1,598,687,646 | 10 | 24 |
A few completionist on the discord offered me a site called "ctl+paint". I haven't checked it out yet, but it seems to be a similar thing that's more geared to digital work.
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I have done the course with traditional media first and then did it again digitally to get used to a new tablet/program. You can use this course as you like. No one is stopping you, and even digitally, this course is great practice. What you have to have in mind is, that the skill you get by practicing can translate between mediums. That's why I would recommend using traditional first. In traditional, you have no safety nets, no help so to say. If you do it with a fineliner or ballpoint pen, you can't even go back a step. If you learn to draw in that environment, you learn to draw in every environment. In Digital, you could "recreate" that experience, but at least to me, a piece that is drawn on a piece of paper with a non erasable pen has a flair to it, that digital work can't emulate. And it certainly gives confidence, when you know that you don't need all that fancy stuff of digital. But, even if I like traditional, I use digital too. I just think, that the raw experience of traditional is a much better learning environment than digital. Edit: Also digital media can have its own problems for beginners. To get something into muscle memory, you usually practice by doing the thing you are supposed to do slower then usual to learn to do it right and in one motion. Digital tablets usually don't have the resistance that pen and paper have. In other words, the tablet is often slippery. It can be much harder to learn the basics that this course Reyes to get across on a digital tablet. Or with a beautiful analogy, if you want to learn to walk, you would do it on the normal ground, not on a frozen lake.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
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The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g36mecj
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g380cau
| 1,598,653,843 | 1,598,687,646 | 11 | 24 |
Use the tools that are available to you. I don't have fine liners though, I had them but to buy new ones I have to go to a place which is a few kilometers. They're expensive in my country, I could spend the money buying breakfast for almost a week. So I use ballpoint pens. They sometimes make the drawings a little dirty but get the job done. Like the other guy said there's a good reason to use fineliners, it's like you're learning the manual way first so you build important muscle memories. Ballpoints are not better than them but I can get almost the same result.
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I have done the course with traditional media first and then did it again digitally to get used to a new tablet/program. You can use this course as you like. No one is stopping you, and even digitally, this course is great practice. What you have to have in mind is, that the skill you get by practicing can translate between mediums. That's why I would recommend using traditional first. In traditional, you have no safety nets, no help so to say. If you do it with a fineliner or ballpoint pen, you can't even go back a step. If you learn to draw in that environment, you learn to draw in every environment. In Digital, you could "recreate" that experience, but at least to me, a piece that is drawn on a piece of paper with a non erasable pen has a flair to it, that digital work can't emulate. And it certainly gives confidence, when you know that you don't need all that fancy stuff of digital. But, even if I like traditional, I use digital too. I just think, that the raw experience of traditional is a much better learning environment than digital. Edit: Also digital media can have its own problems for beginners. To get something into muscle memory, you usually practice by doing the thing you are supposed to do slower then usual to learn to do it right and in one motion. Digital tablets usually don't have the resistance that pen and paper have. In other words, the tablet is often slippery. It can be much harder to learn the basics that this course Reyes to get across on a digital tablet. Or with a beautiful analogy, if you want to learn to walk, you would do it on the normal ground, not on a frozen lake.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
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The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g35vk17
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g380cau
| 1,598,640,761 | 1,598,687,646 | 8 | 24 |
Ahah, I enjoyed your rant. Maybe just use pen/paper for the exercises strictly but draw for fun on the pad?
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I have done the course with traditional media first and then did it again digitally to get used to a new tablet/program. You can use this course as you like. No one is stopping you, and even digitally, this course is great practice. What you have to have in mind is, that the skill you get by practicing can translate between mediums. That's why I would recommend using traditional first. In traditional, you have no safety nets, no help so to say. If you do it with a fineliner or ballpoint pen, you can't even go back a step. If you learn to draw in that environment, you learn to draw in every environment. In Digital, you could "recreate" that experience, but at least to me, a piece that is drawn on a piece of paper with a non erasable pen has a flair to it, that digital work can't emulate. And it certainly gives confidence, when you know that you don't need all that fancy stuff of digital. But, even if I like traditional, I use digital too. I just think, that the raw experience of traditional is a much better learning environment than digital. Edit: Also digital media can have its own problems for beginners. To get something into muscle memory, you usually practice by doing the thing you are supposed to do slower then usual to learn to do it right and in one motion. Digital tablets usually don't have the resistance that pen and paper have. In other words, the tablet is often slippery. It can be much harder to learn the basics that this course Reyes to get across on a digital tablet. Or with a beautiful analogy, if you want to learn to walk, you would do it on the normal ground, not on a frozen lake.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
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The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g35y4vs
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g380cau
| 1,598,641,985 | 1,598,687,646 | 7 | 24 |
They aren’t saying that digital media is bad, just that it isn’t effective for this course. Definitely continue doing your art-for-fun with your tablet, but you should use pen and paper for this class. You can’t undo with paper, so you learn how to be more accurate over time. You can’t turn line smoothing on with paper, so you know better what you need to work on. It’s just a better way to learn this material. By all means, when you do your warmups, you can do them with your tablet. But the homework should be done with pen and paper.
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I have done the course with traditional media first and then did it again digitally to get used to a new tablet/program. You can use this course as you like. No one is stopping you, and even digitally, this course is great practice. What you have to have in mind is, that the skill you get by practicing can translate between mediums. That's why I would recommend using traditional first. In traditional, you have no safety nets, no help so to say. If you do it with a fineliner or ballpoint pen, you can't even go back a step. If you learn to draw in that environment, you learn to draw in every environment. In Digital, you could "recreate" that experience, but at least to me, a piece that is drawn on a piece of paper with a non erasable pen has a flair to it, that digital work can't emulate. And it certainly gives confidence, when you know that you don't need all that fancy stuff of digital. But, even if I like traditional, I use digital too. I just think, that the raw experience of traditional is a much better learning environment than digital. Edit: Also digital media can have its own problems for beginners. To get something into muscle memory, you usually practice by doing the thing you are supposed to do slower then usual to learn to do it right and in one motion. Digital tablets usually don't have the resistance that pen and paper have. In other words, the tablet is often slippery. It can be much harder to learn the basics that this course Reyes to get across on a digital tablet. Or with a beautiful analogy, if you want to learn to walk, you would do it on the normal ground, not on a frozen lake.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
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The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g360mvb
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g369iic
| 1,598,643,165 | 1,598,647,327 | 19 | 20 |
You can do the exercises digitally, it's just not recommended due to the extra layers of complexity that are added—if you make a mistake, you have to wade through them to figure out what the issue was. However, if you have had the tablet for a year as you mentioned, you may already know the ins & outs of the hardware & software, hopefully minimizing its confounding influence. If it's a matter of doing them digitally or not doing them at all, obviously doing them digitally is better than not. If the insistence on physical media is stressing you, then just do them digitally. It's a strongly stated recommendation that is repeated often, but at the end of the day as long as you're improving through practice that's what matters. Learning a skill like art is a long-term endeavor that spans years. Find the way that works best for you. Being faster or slower at the start matters less than whether or not you can stick to it. If you do go digital though, as others have mentioned, don't use control z and set the line smoothing in your program to 0. Get rid of the shortcuts of digital and go about it as though you were using a pen.
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personally have gotten some shit from certain people in the past exactly because ive chosen to do it digitally. Ive found myself to work way faster than the people who do it physically and ive improven way more rapidly compared to them. Honestly dont care what anyone says at this point, i get the whole concept of building confidence and not backing out of your mistakes, but id rather make 500 mistakes and hit undo and try again and build muscle memory than do fiddle around for 10 minutes ghosting every single line and then hit a clean stroke. However ive allocated myself 2 months to finish a certain amount of lessons. So if i can skip time i will.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g369iic
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g35yzpy
| 1,598,647,327 | 1,598,642,390 | 20 | 17 |
personally have gotten some shit from certain people in the past exactly because ive chosen to do it digitally. Ive found myself to work way faster than the people who do it physically and ive improven way more rapidly compared to them. Honestly dont care what anyone says at this point, i get the whole concept of building confidence and not backing out of your mistakes, but id rather make 500 mistakes and hit undo and try again and build muscle memory than do fiddle around for 10 minutes ghosting every single line and then hit a clean stroke. However ive allocated myself 2 months to finish a certain amount of lessons. So if i can skip time i will.
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I also feel this way but i keep telling myself that whatever the media is, with enough work from ourselves, we can achieve great things. My goal is to get a strong fundation and finally be able to draw things i see in real life but also in my imagination. I don’t think the media can stop this
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
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The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g369iic
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g35w8w7
| 1,598,647,327 | 1,598,641,089 | 20 | 13 |
personally have gotten some shit from certain people in the past exactly because ive chosen to do it digitally. Ive found myself to work way faster than the people who do it physically and ive improven way more rapidly compared to them. Honestly dont care what anyone says at this point, i get the whole concept of building confidence and not backing out of your mistakes, but id rather make 500 mistakes and hit undo and try again and build muscle memory than do fiddle around for 10 minutes ghosting every single line and then hit a clean stroke. However ive allocated myself 2 months to finish a certain amount of lessons. So if i can skip time i will.
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If you're going to insist on digital tablets you should at least do all the exercises without the "undo feature". The point of the fine liners is that you cant erase it. It makes you better.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
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The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g3631zn
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g369iic
| 1,598,644,304 | 1,598,647,327 | 13 | 20 |
It's a similar situation for me as well. I get that why creator (I don't know drawabox's creator's name) wants us to use fineliner pen, cause it's better and leaves a good mark (or whatever it's called, my english is not that good) but I just can't. Local currency lost all of it's value in Turkey and stores just don't sell fineliners, especially the ones in my small town. I could try buying them online but I just don't know if a set of fineliners would be any good for 10 Liras (thats like 1.4 dollars), they most likely would be of shitty quality. Tbh as a complete beginner whose drawing experience before was to make a square and triangle house, I am scared of the backlash I would get marked as ''criticism'' because I didn't get fineliners. I am scared of sharing my homework because they are done with a pencil. Also the ''Why not pencil?'' part: How exactly am I missing the point when I say I won't use the eraser? What's wrong with hiding your wastefulness you made to outside eyes when you are confident end result is satisfactory for yourself? He says inability to control the opacity of strokes forces to develop a finer sense of pressure and goes on about bringing strokes to life. What's holding me up from developing a sense of pressure with pencil, you know which leaves different kind of opacity depending on which way you draw (like sideways) or pressure unlike fineliners, and bringing strokes from a pencil to life? I watched a video in which they said about drawabox ''follow everything, don't change the rules to your liking'' or something of that sort. Just, why? I am literally trying to learn the most basics while I am getting told to use fineliners exclusively. I feel like a little brother playing a video game with his big brother watching and leading him through the game, but the big brother is trying to make the little one follow HIS playstyle in the EXACT manner. Give me the basics big bro and let me play with a mouse and keyboard instead of forcing me to play on a joystick. There, felt like a child while typing all of that. TL;DR: I can't buy a good enough fineliner in my locale, am scared of posting the work done because first thing people would say me to under criticism is to go buy a fineliner. Creator writes a full theorem paper on why ink and not pencil and in my head it doesn't clear anything while he explains the majesticity of fineliners for a full page citing confidence and whatnot.
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personally have gotten some shit from certain people in the past exactly because ive chosen to do it digitally. Ive found myself to work way faster than the people who do it physically and ive improven way more rapidly compared to them. Honestly dont care what anyone says at this point, i get the whole concept of building confidence and not backing out of your mistakes, but id rather make 500 mistakes and hit undo and try again and build muscle memory than do fiddle around for 10 minutes ghosting every single line and then hit a clean stroke. However ive allocated myself 2 months to finish a certain amount of lessons. So if i can skip time i will.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
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The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g3629xw
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g369iic
| 1,598,643,937 | 1,598,647,327 | 11 | 20 |
I do it all digitally anyway and even if I draw on paper, I prefer 2mm leadholders to fineliners. I'm not ANTI fineliner but eh.
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personally have gotten some shit from certain people in the past exactly because ive chosen to do it digitally. Ive found myself to work way faster than the people who do it physically and ive improven way more rapidly compared to them. Honestly dont care what anyone says at this point, i get the whole concept of building confidence and not backing out of your mistakes, but id rather make 500 mistakes and hit undo and try again and build muscle memory than do fiddle around for 10 minutes ghosting every single line and then hit a clean stroke. However ive allocated myself 2 months to finish a certain amount of lessons. So if i can skip time i will.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
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The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g369iic
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g35vk17
| 1,598,647,327 | 1,598,640,761 | 20 | 8 |
personally have gotten some shit from certain people in the past exactly because ive chosen to do it digitally. Ive found myself to work way faster than the people who do it physically and ive improven way more rapidly compared to them. Honestly dont care what anyone says at this point, i get the whole concept of building confidence and not backing out of your mistakes, but id rather make 500 mistakes and hit undo and try again and build muscle memory than do fiddle around for 10 minutes ghosting every single line and then hit a clean stroke. However ive allocated myself 2 months to finish a certain amount of lessons. So if i can skip time i will.
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Ahah, I enjoyed your rant. Maybe just use pen/paper for the exercises strictly but draw for fun on the pad?
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g35y4vs
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g369iic
| 1,598,641,985 | 1,598,647,327 | 7 | 20 |
They aren’t saying that digital media is bad, just that it isn’t effective for this course. Definitely continue doing your art-for-fun with your tablet, but you should use pen and paper for this class. You can’t undo with paper, so you learn how to be more accurate over time. You can’t turn line smoothing on with paper, so you know better what you need to work on. It’s just a better way to learn this material. By all means, when you do your warmups, you can do them with your tablet. But the homework should be done with pen and paper.
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personally have gotten some shit from certain people in the past exactly because ive chosen to do it digitally. Ive found myself to work way faster than the people who do it physically and ive improven way more rapidly compared to them. Honestly dont care what anyone says at this point, i get the whole concept of building confidence and not backing out of your mistakes, but id rather make 500 mistakes and hit undo and try again and build muscle memory than do fiddle around for 10 minutes ghosting every single line and then hit a clean stroke. However ive allocated myself 2 months to finish a certain amount of lessons. So if i can skip time i will.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g35yzpy
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g360mvb
| 1,598,642,390 | 1,598,643,165 | 17 | 19 |
I also feel this way but i keep telling myself that whatever the media is, with enough work from ourselves, we can achieve great things. My goal is to get a strong fundation and finally be able to draw things i see in real life but also in my imagination. I don’t think the media can stop this
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You can do the exercises digitally, it's just not recommended due to the extra layers of complexity that are added—if you make a mistake, you have to wade through them to figure out what the issue was. However, if you have had the tablet for a year as you mentioned, you may already know the ins & outs of the hardware & software, hopefully minimizing its confounding influence. If it's a matter of doing them digitally or not doing them at all, obviously doing them digitally is better than not. If the insistence on physical media is stressing you, then just do them digitally. It's a strongly stated recommendation that is repeated often, but at the end of the day as long as you're improving through practice that's what matters. Learning a skill like art is a long-term endeavor that spans years. Find the way that works best for you. Being faster or slower at the start matters less than whether or not you can stick to it. If you do go digital though, as others have mentioned, don't use control z and set the line smoothing in your program to 0. Get rid of the shortcuts of digital and go about it as though you were using a pen.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g360mvb
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g35w8w7
| 1,598,643,165 | 1,598,641,089 | 19 | 13 |
You can do the exercises digitally, it's just not recommended due to the extra layers of complexity that are added—if you make a mistake, you have to wade through them to figure out what the issue was. However, if you have had the tablet for a year as you mentioned, you may already know the ins & outs of the hardware & software, hopefully minimizing its confounding influence. If it's a matter of doing them digitally or not doing them at all, obviously doing them digitally is better than not. If the insistence on physical media is stressing you, then just do them digitally. It's a strongly stated recommendation that is repeated often, but at the end of the day as long as you're improving through practice that's what matters. Learning a skill like art is a long-term endeavor that spans years. Find the way that works best for you. Being faster or slower at the start matters less than whether or not you can stick to it. If you do go digital though, as others have mentioned, don't use control z and set the line smoothing in your program to 0. Get rid of the shortcuts of digital and go about it as though you were using a pen.
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If you're going to insist on digital tablets you should at least do all the exercises without the "undo feature". The point of the fine liners is that you cant erase it. It makes you better.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g360mvb
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g35vk17
| 1,598,643,165 | 1,598,640,761 | 19 | 8 |
You can do the exercises digitally, it's just not recommended due to the extra layers of complexity that are added—if you make a mistake, you have to wade through them to figure out what the issue was. However, if you have had the tablet for a year as you mentioned, you may already know the ins & outs of the hardware & software, hopefully minimizing its confounding influence. If it's a matter of doing them digitally or not doing them at all, obviously doing them digitally is better than not. If the insistence on physical media is stressing you, then just do them digitally. It's a strongly stated recommendation that is repeated often, but at the end of the day as long as you're improving through practice that's what matters. Learning a skill like art is a long-term endeavor that spans years. Find the way that works best for you. Being faster or slower at the start matters less than whether or not you can stick to it. If you do go digital though, as others have mentioned, don't use control z and set the line smoothing in your program to 0. Get rid of the shortcuts of digital and go about it as though you were using a pen.
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Ahah, I enjoyed your rant. Maybe just use pen/paper for the exercises strictly but draw for fun on the pad?
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g35y4vs
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g360mvb
| 1,598,641,985 | 1,598,643,165 | 7 | 19 |
They aren’t saying that digital media is bad, just that it isn’t effective for this course. Definitely continue doing your art-for-fun with your tablet, but you should use pen and paper for this class. You can’t undo with paper, so you learn how to be more accurate over time. You can’t turn line smoothing on with paper, so you know better what you need to work on. It’s just a better way to learn this material. By all means, when you do your warmups, you can do them with your tablet. But the homework should be done with pen and paper.
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You can do the exercises digitally, it's just not recommended due to the extra layers of complexity that are added—if you make a mistake, you have to wade through them to figure out what the issue was. However, if you have had the tablet for a year as you mentioned, you may already know the ins & outs of the hardware & software, hopefully minimizing its confounding influence. If it's a matter of doing them digitally or not doing them at all, obviously doing them digitally is better than not. If the insistence on physical media is stressing you, then just do them digitally. It's a strongly stated recommendation that is repeated often, but at the end of the day as long as you're improving through practice that's what matters. Learning a skill like art is a long-term endeavor that spans years. Find the way that works best for you. Being faster or slower at the start matters less than whether or not you can stick to it. If you do go digital though, as others have mentioned, don't use control z and set the line smoothing in your program to 0. Get rid of the shortcuts of digital and go about it as though you were using a pen.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g37cjyu
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g373dhe
| 1,598,669,020 | 1,598,663,469 | 17 | 16 |
Oh honestly op I think the most serious reason to do physical ink first is because digital inking can experience lag, drift, and sometimes the tip of the digital pen is different from where the pixels show up slightly and you need to learn (naturally) how to correct for that. Or to look to see if there is a gap between cursor and tip. Doing actual ink gives you a sense of how to better fine tune your digital settings to make them realistic and to ensure your digital pen pressure and sensitivity is up to snuff. Otherwise do whatever.
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Hey man, it’s art. Do what makes you feel good.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g373dhe
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g35w8w7
| 1,598,663,469 | 1,598,641,089 | 16 | 13 |
Hey man, it’s art. Do what makes you feel good.
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If you're going to insist on digital tablets you should at least do all the exercises without the "undo feature". The point of the fine liners is that you cant erase it. It makes you better.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g373dhe
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g3631zn
| 1,598,663,469 | 1,598,644,304 | 16 | 13 |
Hey man, it’s art. Do what makes you feel good.
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It's a similar situation for me as well. I get that why creator (I don't know drawabox's creator's name) wants us to use fineliner pen, cause it's better and leaves a good mark (or whatever it's called, my english is not that good) but I just can't. Local currency lost all of it's value in Turkey and stores just don't sell fineliners, especially the ones in my small town. I could try buying them online but I just don't know if a set of fineliners would be any good for 10 Liras (thats like 1.4 dollars), they most likely would be of shitty quality. Tbh as a complete beginner whose drawing experience before was to make a square and triangle house, I am scared of the backlash I would get marked as ''criticism'' because I didn't get fineliners. I am scared of sharing my homework because they are done with a pencil. Also the ''Why not pencil?'' part: How exactly am I missing the point when I say I won't use the eraser? What's wrong with hiding your wastefulness you made to outside eyes when you are confident end result is satisfactory for yourself? He says inability to control the opacity of strokes forces to develop a finer sense of pressure and goes on about bringing strokes to life. What's holding me up from developing a sense of pressure with pencil, you know which leaves different kind of opacity depending on which way you draw (like sideways) or pressure unlike fineliners, and bringing strokes from a pencil to life? I watched a video in which they said about drawabox ''follow everything, don't change the rules to your liking'' or something of that sort. Just, why? I am literally trying to learn the most basics while I am getting told to use fineliners exclusively. I feel like a little brother playing a video game with his big brother watching and leading him through the game, but the big brother is trying to make the little one follow HIS playstyle in the EXACT manner. Give me the basics big bro and let me play with a mouse and keyboard instead of forcing me to play on a joystick. There, felt like a child while typing all of that. TL;DR: I can't buy a good enough fineliner in my locale, am scared of posting the work done because first thing people would say me to under criticism is to go buy a fineliner. Creator writes a full theorem paper on why ink and not pencil and in my head it doesn't clear anything while he explains the majesticity of fineliners for a full page citing confidence and whatnot.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
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The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g373dhe
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g3629xw
| 1,598,663,469 | 1,598,643,937 | 16 | 11 |
Hey man, it’s art. Do what makes you feel good.
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I do it all digitally anyway and even if I draw on paper, I prefer 2mm leadholders to fineliners. I'm not ANTI fineliner but eh.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g373dhe
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g36kj72
| 1,598,663,469 | 1,598,652,868 | 16 | 10 |
Hey man, it’s art. Do what makes you feel good.
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A few completionist on the discord offered me a site called "ctl+paint". I haven't checked it out yet, but it seems to be a similar thing that's more geared to digital work.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g373dhe
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g36mecj
| 1,598,663,469 | 1,598,653,843 | 16 | 11 |
Hey man, it’s art. Do what makes you feel good.
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Use the tools that are available to you. I don't have fine liners though, I had them but to buy new ones I have to go to a place which is a few kilometers. They're expensive in my country, I could spend the money buying breakfast for almost a week. So I use ballpoint pens. They sometimes make the drawings a little dirty but get the job done. Like the other guy said there's a good reason to use fineliners, it's like you're learning the manual way first so you build important muscle memories. Ballpoints are not better than them but I can get almost the same result.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g373dhe
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g35vk17
| 1,598,663,469 | 1,598,640,761 | 16 | 8 |
Hey man, it’s art. Do what makes you feel good.
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Ahah, I enjoyed your rant. Maybe just use pen/paper for the exercises strictly but draw for fun on the pad?
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g373dhe
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g35y4vs
| 1,598,663,469 | 1,598,641,985 | 16 | 7 |
Hey man, it’s art. Do what makes you feel good.
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They aren’t saying that digital media is bad, just that it isn’t effective for this course. Definitely continue doing your art-for-fun with your tablet, but you should use pen and paper for this class. You can’t undo with paper, so you learn how to be more accurate over time. You can’t turn line smoothing on with paper, so you know better what you need to work on. It’s just a better way to learn this material. By all means, when you do your warmups, you can do them with your tablet. But the homework should be done with pen and paper.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g36xd7z
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g35w8w7
| 1,598,659,919 | 1,598,641,089 | 17 | 13 |
keep using your tablet when you're drawing for fun if you choose to do so, because lets say you make a career for yourself in digital design. you don't want to throw that away because "one medium good, one medium bad". Use paper and pen for the lessons at least. I would say that, we shouldn't take everything that a teacher says, and say that their word is god. What i mean by that is, see why they're emphasizing the use of ink at the core. also, just for the benefit of practice, we need to extrapolate what we can. "It's because ink helps you develop confidence, conscientiousness and patience, and more than anything, develops in you a respect for every mark you put down that is difficult to find with any other tool. " in the lessons intro, they state that you just dont want to use a dry media made for graphite or charcoal, as it'll absorb your pen too fast as well. " **Do not** use sketch paper or other paper intended for dry media. It will drain your pens and hinder you as you draw. " i have killed so many sharpie pens prematurely by using them in a sketchbook. it also does admittedly feel like there's more drag with the felt tip on the sketchpaper than the printer paper, taking those factors into consideration, you would technically still benefit from say 0.5mm ballpoint pen on printer paper, with the emphasis on ink being the medium. It is more punishing, and your mistakes will show. this is for the better edit to add: a direct quote from the article you linked, titled "Why Ink?" "Let me preface this by pointing out one thing again - I am a digital artist. All of the work I do professionally is digital. What I am saying here by no means suggests that you should stay away from digital media. **I'm saying that digital tools are not the best way to go through these lessons**."
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If you're going to insist on digital tablets you should at least do all the exercises without the "undo feature". The point of the fine liners is that you cant erase it. It makes you better.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g3631zn
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g36xd7z
| 1,598,644,304 | 1,598,659,919 | 13 | 17 |
It's a similar situation for me as well. I get that why creator (I don't know drawabox's creator's name) wants us to use fineliner pen, cause it's better and leaves a good mark (or whatever it's called, my english is not that good) but I just can't. Local currency lost all of it's value in Turkey and stores just don't sell fineliners, especially the ones in my small town. I could try buying them online but I just don't know if a set of fineliners would be any good for 10 Liras (thats like 1.4 dollars), they most likely would be of shitty quality. Tbh as a complete beginner whose drawing experience before was to make a square and triangle house, I am scared of the backlash I would get marked as ''criticism'' because I didn't get fineliners. I am scared of sharing my homework because they are done with a pencil. Also the ''Why not pencil?'' part: How exactly am I missing the point when I say I won't use the eraser? What's wrong with hiding your wastefulness you made to outside eyes when you are confident end result is satisfactory for yourself? He says inability to control the opacity of strokes forces to develop a finer sense of pressure and goes on about bringing strokes to life. What's holding me up from developing a sense of pressure with pencil, you know which leaves different kind of opacity depending on which way you draw (like sideways) or pressure unlike fineliners, and bringing strokes from a pencil to life? I watched a video in which they said about drawabox ''follow everything, don't change the rules to your liking'' or something of that sort. Just, why? I am literally trying to learn the most basics while I am getting told to use fineliners exclusively. I feel like a little brother playing a video game with his big brother watching and leading him through the game, but the big brother is trying to make the little one follow HIS playstyle in the EXACT manner. Give me the basics big bro and let me play with a mouse and keyboard instead of forcing me to play on a joystick. There, felt like a child while typing all of that. TL;DR: I can't buy a good enough fineliner in my locale, am scared of posting the work done because first thing people would say me to under criticism is to go buy a fineliner. Creator writes a full theorem paper on why ink and not pencil and in my head it doesn't clear anything while he explains the majesticity of fineliners for a full page citing confidence and whatnot.
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keep using your tablet when you're drawing for fun if you choose to do so, because lets say you make a career for yourself in digital design. you don't want to throw that away because "one medium good, one medium bad". Use paper and pen for the lessons at least. I would say that, we shouldn't take everything that a teacher says, and say that their word is god. What i mean by that is, see why they're emphasizing the use of ink at the core. also, just for the benefit of practice, we need to extrapolate what we can. "It's because ink helps you develop confidence, conscientiousness and patience, and more than anything, develops in you a respect for every mark you put down that is difficult to find with any other tool. " in the lessons intro, they state that you just dont want to use a dry media made for graphite or charcoal, as it'll absorb your pen too fast as well. " **Do not** use sketch paper or other paper intended for dry media. It will drain your pens and hinder you as you draw. " i have killed so many sharpie pens prematurely by using them in a sketchbook. it also does admittedly feel like there's more drag with the felt tip on the sketchpaper than the printer paper, taking those factors into consideration, you would technically still benefit from say 0.5mm ballpoint pen on printer paper, with the emphasis on ink being the medium. It is more punishing, and your mistakes will show. this is for the better edit to add: a direct quote from the article you linked, titled "Why Ink?" "Let me preface this by pointing out one thing again - I am a digital artist. All of the work I do professionally is digital. What I am saying here by no means suggests that you should stay away from digital media. **I'm saying that digital tools are not the best way to go through these lessons**."
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g36xd7z
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g3629xw
| 1,598,659,919 | 1,598,643,937 | 17 | 11 |
keep using your tablet when you're drawing for fun if you choose to do so, because lets say you make a career for yourself in digital design. you don't want to throw that away because "one medium good, one medium bad". Use paper and pen for the lessons at least. I would say that, we shouldn't take everything that a teacher says, and say that their word is god. What i mean by that is, see why they're emphasizing the use of ink at the core. also, just for the benefit of practice, we need to extrapolate what we can. "It's because ink helps you develop confidence, conscientiousness and patience, and more than anything, develops in you a respect for every mark you put down that is difficult to find with any other tool. " in the lessons intro, they state that you just dont want to use a dry media made for graphite or charcoal, as it'll absorb your pen too fast as well. " **Do not** use sketch paper or other paper intended for dry media. It will drain your pens and hinder you as you draw. " i have killed so many sharpie pens prematurely by using them in a sketchbook. it also does admittedly feel like there's more drag with the felt tip on the sketchpaper than the printer paper, taking those factors into consideration, you would technically still benefit from say 0.5mm ballpoint pen on printer paper, with the emphasis on ink being the medium. It is more punishing, and your mistakes will show. this is for the better edit to add: a direct quote from the article you linked, titled "Why Ink?" "Let me preface this by pointing out one thing again - I am a digital artist. All of the work I do professionally is digital. What I am saying here by no means suggests that you should stay away from digital media. **I'm saying that digital tools are not the best way to go through these lessons**."
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I do it all digitally anyway and even if I draw on paper, I prefer 2mm leadholders to fineliners. I'm not ANTI fineliner but eh.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g36xd7z
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g36kj72
| 1,598,659,919 | 1,598,652,868 | 17 | 10 |
keep using your tablet when you're drawing for fun if you choose to do so, because lets say you make a career for yourself in digital design. you don't want to throw that away because "one medium good, one medium bad". Use paper and pen for the lessons at least. I would say that, we shouldn't take everything that a teacher says, and say that their word is god. What i mean by that is, see why they're emphasizing the use of ink at the core. also, just for the benefit of practice, we need to extrapolate what we can. "It's because ink helps you develop confidence, conscientiousness and patience, and more than anything, develops in you a respect for every mark you put down that is difficult to find with any other tool. " in the lessons intro, they state that you just dont want to use a dry media made for graphite or charcoal, as it'll absorb your pen too fast as well. " **Do not** use sketch paper or other paper intended for dry media. It will drain your pens and hinder you as you draw. " i have killed so many sharpie pens prematurely by using them in a sketchbook. it also does admittedly feel like there's more drag with the felt tip on the sketchpaper than the printer paper, taking those factors into consideration, you would technically still benefit from say 0.5mm ballpoint pen on printer paper, with the emphasis on ink being the medium. It is more punishing, and your mistakes will show. this is for the better edit to add: a direct quote from the article you linked, titled "Why Ink?" "Let me preface this by pointing out one thing again - I am a digital artist. All of the work I do professionally is digital. What I am saying here by no means suggests that you should stay away from digital media. **I'm saying that digital tools are not the best way to go through these lessons**."
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A few completionist on the discord offered me a site called "ctl+paint". I haven't checked it out yet, but it seems to be a similar thing that's more geared to digital work.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g36mecj
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g36xd7z
| 1,598,653,843 | 1,598,659,919 | 11 | 17 |
Use the tools that are available to you. I don't have fine liners though, I had them but to buy new ones I have to go to a place which is a few kilometers. They're expensive in my country, I could spend the money buying breakfast for almost a week. So I use ballpoint pens. They sometimes make the drawings a little dirty but get the job done. Like the other guy said there's a good reason to use fineliners, it's like you're learning the manual way first so you build important muscle memories. Ballpoints are not better than them but I can get almost the same result.
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keep using your tablet when you're drawing for fun if you choose to do so, because lets say you make a career for yourself in digital design. you don't want to throw that away because "one medium good, one medium bad". Use paper and pen for the lessons at least. I would say that, we shouldn't take everything that a teacher says, and say that their word is god. What i mean by that is, see why they're emphasizing the use of ink at the core. also, just for the benefit of practice, we need to extrapolate what we can. "It's because ink helps you develop confidence, conscientiousness and patience, and more than anything, develops in you a respect for every mark you put down that is difficult to find with any other tool. " in the lessons intro, they state that you just dont want to use a dry media made for graphite or charcoal, as it'll absorb your pen too fast as well. " **Do not** use sketch paper or other paper intended for dry media. It will drain your pens and hinder you as you draw. " i have killed so many sharpie pens prematurely by using them in a sketchbook. it also does admittedly feel like there's more drag with the felt tip on the sketchpaper than the printer paper, taking those factors into consideration, you would technically still benefit from say 0.5mm ballpoint pen on printer paper, with the emphasis on ink being the medium. It is more punishing, and your mistakes will show. this is for the better edit to add: a direct quote from the article you linked, titled "Why Ink?" "Let me preface this by pointing out one thing again - I am a digital artist. All of the work I do professionally is digital. What I am saying here by no means suggests that you should stay away from digital media. **I'm saying that digital tools are not the best way to go through these lessons**."
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g35vk17
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g36xd7z
| 1,598,640,761 | 1,598,659,919 | 8 | 17 |
Ahah, I enjoyed your rant. Maybe just use pen/paper for the exercises strictly but draw for fun on the pad?
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keep using your tablet when you're drawing for fun if you choose to do so, because lets say you make a career for yourself in digital design. you don't want to throw that away because "one medium good, one medium bad". Use paper and pen for the lessons at least. I would say that, we shouldn't take everything that a teacher says, and say that their word is god. What i mean by that is, see why they're emphasizing the use of ink at the core. also, just for the benefit of practice, we need to extrapolate what we can. "It's because ink helps you develop confidence, conscientiousness and patience, and more than anything, develops in you a respect for every mark you put down that is difficult to find with any other tool. " in the lessons intro, they state that you just dont want to use a dry media made for graphite or charcoal, as it'll absorb your pen too fast as well. " **Do not** use sketch paper or other paper intended for dry media. It will drain your pens and hinder you as you draw. " i have killed so many sharpie pens prematurely by using them in a sketchbook. it also does admittedly feel like there's more drag with the felt tip on the sketchpaper than the printer paper, taking those factors into consideration, you would technically still benefit from say 0.5mm ballpoint pen on printer paper, with the emphasis on ink being the medium. It is more punishing, and your mistakes will show. this is for the better edit to add: a direct quote from the article you linked, titled "Why Ink?" "Let me preface this by pointing out one thing again - I am a digital artist. All of the work I do professionally is digital. What I am saying here by no means suggests that you should stay away from digital media. **I'm saying that digital tools are not the best way to go through these lessons**."
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g36xd7z
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g35y4vs
| 1,598,659,919 | 1,598,641,985 | 17 | 7 |
keep using your tablet when you're drawing for fun if you choose to do so, because lets say you make a career for yourself in digital design. you don't want to throw that away because "one medium good, one medium bad". Use paper and pen for the lessons at least. I would say that, we shouldn't take everything that a teacher says, and say that their word is god. What i mean by that is, see why they're emphasizing the use of ink at the core. also, just for the benefit of practice, we need to extrapolate what we can. "It's because ink helps you develop confidence, conscientiousness and patience, and more than anything, develops in you a respect for every mark you put down that is difficult to find with any other tool. " in the lessons intro, they state that you just dont want to use a dry media made for graphite or charcoal, as it'll absorb your pen too fast as well. " **Do not** use sketch paper or other paper intended for dry media. It will drain your pens and hinder you as you draw. " i have killed so many sharpie pens prematurely by using them in a sketchbook. it also does admittedly feel like there's more drag with the felt tip on the sketchpaper than the printer paper, taking those factors into consideration, you would technically still benefit from say 0.5mm ballpoint pen on printer paper, with the emphasis on ink being the medium. It is more punishing, and your mistakes will show. this is for the better edit to add: a direct quote from the article you linked, titled "Why Ink?" "Let me preface this by pointing out one thing again - I am a digital artist. All of the work I do professionally is digital. What I am saying here by no means suggests that you should stay away from digital media. **I'm saying that digital tools are not the best way to go through these lessons**."
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They aren’t saying that digital media is bad, just that it isn’t effective for this course. Definitely continue doing your art-for-fun with your tablet, but you should use pen and paper for this class. You can’t undo with paper, so you learn how to be more accurate over time. You can’t turn line smoothing on with paper, so you know better what you need to work on. It’s just a better way to learn this material. By all means, when you do your warmups, you can do them with your tablet. But the homework should be done with pen and paper.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g37cjyu
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g35w8w7
| 1,598,669,020 | 1,598,641,089 | 17 | 13 |
Oh honestly op I think the most serious reason to do physical ink first is because digital inking can experience lag, drift, and sometimes the tip of the digital pen is different from where the pixels show up slightly and you need to learn (naturally) how to correct for that. Or to look to see if there is a gap between cursor and tip. Doing actual ink gives you a sense of how to better fine tune your digital settings to make them realistic and to ensure your digital pen pressure and sensitivity is up to snuff. Otherwise do whatever.
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If you're going to insist on digital tablets you should at least do all the exercises without the "undo feature". The point of the fine liners is that you cant erase it. It makes you better.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g3631zn
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g37cjyu
| 1,598,644,304 | 1,598,669,020 | 13 | 17 |
It's a similar situation for me as well. I get that why creator (I don't know drawabox's creator's name) wants us to use fineliner pen, cause it's better and leaves a good mark (or whatever it's called, my english is not that good) but I just can't. Local currency lost all of it's value in Turkey and stores just don't sell fineliners, especially the ones in my small town. I could try buying them online but I just don't know if a set of fineliners would be any good for 10 Liras (thats like 1.4 dollars), they most likely would be of shitty quality. Tbh as a complete beginner whose drawing experience before was to make a square and triangle house, I am scared of the backlash I would get marked as ''criticism'' because I didn't get fineliners. I am scared of sharing my homework because they are done with a pencil. Also the ''Why not pencil?'' part: How exactly am I missing the point when I say I won't use the eraser? What's wrong with hiding your wastefulness you made to outside eyes when you are confident end result is satisfactory for yourself? He says inability to control the opacity of strokes forces to develop a finer sense of pressure and goes on about bringing strokes to life. What's holding me up from developing a sense of pressure with pencil, you know which leaves different kind of opacity depending on which way you draw (like sideways) or pressure unlike fineliners, and bringing strokes from a pencil to life? I watched a video in which they said about drawabox ''follow everything, don't change the rules to your liking'' or something of that sort. Just, why? I am literally trying to learn the most basics while I am getting told to use fineliners exclusively. I feel like a little brother playing a video game with his big brother watching and leading him through the game, but the big brother is trying to make the little one follow HIS playstyle in the EXACT manner. Give me the basics big bro and let me play with a mouse and keyboard instead of forcing me to play on a joystick. There, felt like a child while typing all of that. TL;DR: I can't buy a good enough fineliner in my locale, am scared of posting the work done because first thing people would say me to under criticism is to go buy a fineliner. Creator writes a full theorem paper on why ink and not pencil and in my head it doesn't clear anything while he explains the majesticity of fineliners for a full page citing confidence and whatnot.
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Oh honestly op I think the most serious reason to do physical ink first is because digital inking can experience lag, drift, and sometimes the tip of the digital pen is different from where the pixels show up slightly and you need to learn (naturally) how to correct for that. Or to look to see if there is a gap between cursor and tip. Doing actual ink gives you a sense of how to better fine tune your digital settings to make them realistic and to ensure your digital pen pressure and sensitivity is up to snuff. Otherwise do whatever.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g3629xw
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g37cjyu
| 1,598,643,937 | 1,598,669,020 | 11 | 17 |
I do it all digitally anyway and even if I draw on paper, I prefer 2mm leadholders to fineliners. I'm not ANTI fineliner but eh.
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Oh honestly op I think the most serious reason to do physical ink first is because digital inking can experience lag, drift, and sometimes the tip of the digital pen is different from where the pixels show up slightly and you need to learn (naturally) how to correct for that. Or to look to see if there is a gap between cursor and tip. Doing actual ink gives you a sense of how to better fine tune your digital settings to make them realistic and to ensure your digital pen pressure and sensitivity is up to snuff. Otherwise do whatever.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g36kj72
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g37cjyu
| 1,598,652,868 | 1,598,669,020 | 10 | 17 |
A few completionist on the discord offered me a site called "ctl+paint". I haven't checked it out yet, but it seems to be a similar thing that's more geared to digital work.
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Oh honestly op I think the most serious reason to do physical ink first is because digital inking can experience lag, drift, and sometimes the tip of the digital pen is different from where the pixels show up slightly and you need to learn (naturally) how to correct for that. Or to look to see if there is a gap between cursor and tip. Doing actual ink gives you a sense of how to better fine tune your digital settings to make them realistic and to ensure your digital pen pressure and sensitivity is up to snuff. Otherwise do whatever.
| 0 | 16,152 | 1.7 | ||
iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g36mecj
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g37cjyu
| 1,598,653,843 | 1,598,669,020 | 11 | 17 |
Use the tools that are available to you. I don't have fine liners though, I had them but to buy new ones I have to go to a place which is a few kilometers. They're expensive in my country, I could spend the money buying breakfast for almost a week. So I use ballpoint pens. They sometimes make the drawings a little dirty but get the job done. Like the other guy said there's a good reason to use fineliners, it's like you're learning the manual way first so you build important muscle memories. Ballpoints are not better than them but I can get almost the same result.
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Oh honestly op I think the most serious reason to do physical ink first is because digital inking can experience lag, drift, and sometimes the tip of the digital pen is different from where the pixels show up slightly and you need to learn (naturally) how to correct for that. Or to look to see if there is a gap between cursor and tip. Doing actual ink gives you a sense of how to better fine tune your digital settings to make them realistic and to ensure your digital pen pressure and sensitivity is up to snuff. Otherwise do whatever.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g37cjyu
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g35vk17
| 1,598,669,020 | 1,598,640,761 | 17 | 8 |
Oh honestly op I think the most serious reason to do physical ink first is because digital inking can experience lag, drift, and sometimes the tip of the digital pen is different from where the pixels show up slightly and you need to learn (naturally) how to correct for that. Or to look to see if there is a gap between cursor and tip. Doing actual ink gives you a sense of how to better fine tune your digital settings to make them realistic and to ensure your digital pen pressure and sensitivity is up to snuff. Otherwise do whatever.
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Ahah, I enjoyed your rant. Maybe just use pen/paper for the exercises strictly but draw for fun on the pad?
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g37cjyu
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g35y4vs
| 1,598,669,020 | 1,598,641,985 | 17 | 7 |
Oh honestly op I think the most serious reason to do physical ink first is because digital inking can experience lag, drift, and sometimes the tip of the digital pen is different from where the pixels show up slightly and you need to learn (naturally) how to correct for that. Or to look to see if there is a gap between cursor and tip. Doing actual ink gives you a sense of how to better fine tune your digital settings to make them realistic and to ensure your digital pen pressure and sensitivity is up to snuff. Otherwise do whatever.
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They aren’t saying that digital media is bad, just that it isn’t effective for this course. Definitely continue doing your art-for-fun with your tablet, but you should use pen and paper for this class. You can’t undo with paper, so you learn how to be more accurate over time. You can’t turn line smoothing on with paper, so you know better what you need to work on. It’s just a better way to learn this material. By all means, when you do your warmups, you can do them with your tablet. But the homework should be done with pen and paper.
| 1 | 27,035 | 2.428571 | ||
iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g35w8w7
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g35yzpy
| 1,598,641,089 | 1,598,642,390 | 13 | 17 |
If you're going to insist on digital tablets you should at least do all the exercises without the "undo feature". The point of the fine liners is that you cant erase it. It makes you better.
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I also feel this way but i keep telling myself that whatever the media is, with enough work from ourselves, we can achieve great things. My goal is to get a strong fundation and finally be able to draw things i see in real life but also in my imagination. I don’t think the media can stop this
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g35yzpy
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g35vk17
| 1,598,642,390 | 1,598,640,761 | 17 | 8 |
I also feel this way but i keep telling myself that whatever the media is, with enough work from ourselves, we can achieve great things. My goal is to get a strong fundation and finally be able to draw things i see in real life but also in my imagination. I don’t think the media can stop this
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Ahah, I enjoyed your rant. Maybe just use pen/paper for the exercises strictly but draw for fun on the pad?
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g35y4vs
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g35yzpy
| 1,598,641,985 | 1,598,642,390 | 7 | 17 |
They aren’t saying that digital media is bad, just that it isn’t effective for this course. Definitely continue doing your art-for-fun with your tablet, but you should use pen and paper for this class. You can’t undo with paper, so you learn how to be more accurate over time. You can’t turn line smoothing on with paper, so you know better what you need to work on. It’s just a better way to learn this material. By all means, when you do your warmups, you can do them with your tablet. But the homework should be done with pen and paper.
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I also feel this way but i keep telling myself that whatever the media is, with enough work from ourselves, we can achieve great things. My goal is to get a strong fundation and finally be able to draw things i see in real life but also in my imagination. I don’t think the media can stop this
| 0 | 405 | 2.428571 | ||
iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g35w8w7
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g35vk17
| 1,598,641,089 | 1,598,640,761 | 13 | 8 |
If you're going to insist on digital tablets you should at least do all the exercises without the "undo feature". The point of the fine liners is that you cant erase it. It makes you better.
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Ahah, I enjoyed your rant. Maybe just use pen/paper for the exercises strictly but draw for fun on the pad?
| 1 | 328 | 1.625 | ||
iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g3629xw
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g3631zn
| 1,598,643,937 | 1,598,644,304 | 11 | 13 |
I do it all digitally anyway and even if I draw on paper, I prefer 2mm leadholders to fineliners. I'm not ANTI fineliner but eh.
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It's a similar situation for me as well. I get that why creator (I don't know drawabox's creator's name) wants us to use fineliner pen, cause it's better and leaves a good mark (or whatever it's called, my english is not that good) but I just can't. Local currency lost all of it's value in Turkey and stores just don't sell fineliners, especially the ones in my small town. I could try buying them online but I just don't know if a set of fineliners would be any good for 10 Liras (thats like 1.4 dollars), they most likely would be of shitty quality. Tbh as a complete beginner whose drawing experience before was to make a square and triangle house, I am scared of the backlash I would get marked as ''criticism'' because I didn't get fineliners. I am scared of sharing my homework because they are done with a pencil. Also the ''Why not pencil?'' part: How exactly am I missing the point when I say I won't use the eraser? What's wrong with hiding your wastefulness you made to outside eyes when you are confident end result is satisfactory for yourself? He says inability to control the opacity of strokes forces to develop a finer sense of pressure and goes on about bringing strokes to life. What's holding me up from developing a sense of pressure with pencil, you know which leaves different kind of opacity depending on which way you draw (like sideways) or pressure unlike fineliners, and bringing strokes from a pencil to life? I watched a video in which they said about drawabox ''follow everything, don't change the rules to your liking'' or something of that sort. Just, why? I am literally trying to learn the most basics while I am getting told to use fineliners exclusively. I feel like a little brother playing a video game with his big brother watching and leading him through the game, but the big brother is trying to make the little one follow HIS playstyle in the EXACT manner. Give me the basics big bro and let me play with a mouse and keyboard instead of forcing me to play on a joystick. There, felt like a child while typing all of that. TL;DR: I can't buy a good enough fineliner in my locale, am scared of posting the work done because first thing people would say me to under criticism is to go buy a fineliner. Creator writes a full theorem paper on why ink and not pencil and in my head it doesn't clear anything while he explains the majesticity of fineliners for a full page citing confidence and whatnot.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g3631zn
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g35vk17
| 1,598,644,304 | 1,598,640,761 | 13 | 8 |
It's a similar situation for me as well. I get that why creator (I don't know drawabox's creator's name) wants us to use fineliner pen, cause it's better and leaves a good mark (or whatever it's called, my english is not that good) but I just can't. Local currency lost all of it's value in Turkey and stores just don't sell fineliners, especially the ones in my small town. I could try buying them online but I just don't know if a set of fineliners would be any good for 10 Liras (thats like 1.4 dollars), they most likely would be of shitty quality. Tbh as a complete beginner whose drawing experience before was to make a square and triangle house, I am scared of the backlash I would get marked as ''criticism'' because I didn't get fineliners. I am scared of sharing my homework because they are done with a pencil. Also the ''Why not pencil?'' part: How exactly am I missing the point when I say I won't use the eraser? What's wrong with hiding your wastefulness you made to outside eyes when you are confident end result is satisfactory for yourself? He says inability to control the opacity of strokes forces to develop a finer sense of pressure and goes on about bringing strokes to life. What's holding me up from developing a sense of pressure with pencil, you know which leaves different kind of opacity depending on which way you draw (like sideways) or pressure unlike fineliners, and bringing strokes from a pencil to life? I watched a video in which they said about drawabox ''follow everything, don't change the rules to your liking'' or something of that sort. Just, why? I am literally trying to learn the most basics while I am getting told to use fineliners exclusively. I feel like a little brother playing a video game with his big brother watching and leading him through the game, but the big brother is trying to make the little one follow HIS playstyle in the EXACT manner. Give me the basics big bro and let me play with a mouse and keyboard instead of forcing me to play on a joystick. There, felt like a child while typing all of that. TL;DR: I can't buy a good enough fineliner in my locale, am scared of posting the work done because first thing people would say me to under criticism is to go buy a fineliner. Creator writes a full theorem paper on why ink and not pencil and in my head it doesn't clear anything while he explains the majesticity of fineliners for a full page citing confidence and whatnot.
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Ahah, I enjoyed your rant. Maybe just use pen/paper for the exercises strictly but draw for fun on the pad?
| 1 | 3,543 | 1.625 | ||
iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g35y4vs
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g3631zn
| 1,598,641,985 | 1,598,644,304 | 7 | 13 |
They aren’t saying that digital media is bad, just that it isn’t effective for this course. Definitely continue doing your art-for-fun with your tablet, but you should use pen and paper for this class. You can’t undo with paper, so you learn how to be more accurate over time. You can’t turn line smoothing on with paper, so you know better what you need to work on. It’s just a better way to learn this material. By all means, when you do your warmups, you can do them with your tablet. But the homework should be done with pen and paper.
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It's a similar situation for me as well. I get that why creator (I don't know drawabox's creator's name) wants us to use fineliner pen, cause it's better and leaves a good mark (or whatever it's called, my english is not that good) but I just can't. Local currency lost all of it's value in Turkey and stores just don't sell fineliners, especially the ones in my small town. I could try buying them online but I just don't know if a set of fineliners would be any good for 10 Liras (thats like 1.4 dollars), they most likely would be of shitty quality. Tbh as a complete beginner whose drawing experience before was to make a square and triangle house, I am scared of the backlash I would get marked as ''criticism'' because I didn't get fineliners. I am scared of sharing my homework because they are done with a pencil. Also the ''Why not pencil?'' part: How exactly am I missing the point when I say I won't use the eraser? What's wrong with hiding your wastefulness you made to outside eyes when you are confident end result is satisfactory for yourself? He says inability to control the opacity of strokes forces to develop a finer sense of pressure and goes on about bringing strokes to life. What's holding me up from developing a sense of pressure with pencil, you know which leaves different kind of opacity depending on which way you draw (like sideways) or pressure unlike fineliners, and bringing strokes from a pencil to life? I watched a video in which they said about drawabox ''follow everything, don't change the rules to your liking'' or something of that sort. Just, why? I am literally trying to learn the most basics while I am getting told to use fineliners exclusively. I feel like a little brother playing a video game with his big brother watching and leading him through the game, but the big brother is trying to make the little one follow HIS playstyle in the EXACT manner. Give me the basics big bro and let me play with a mouse and keyboard instead of forcing me to play on a joystick. There, felt like a child while typing all of that. TL;DR: I can't buy a good enough fineliner in my locale, am scared of posting the work done because first thing people would say me to under criticism is to go buy a fineliner. Creator writes a full theorem paper on why ink and not pencil and in my head it doesn't clear anything while he explains the majesticity of fineliners for a full page citing confidence and whatnot.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
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The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g37keti
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g37yocp
| 1,598,674,103 | 1,598,685,981 | 11 | 12 |
its kinda like math teachers telling us we won't always have calculators lol. I mean if you want the muscle memory for the fundamentals, then do the boot camp so to speak.. if you want the muscle memory for the certain style you have already chosen then keep doing that. Think of it like this, if you're shipping off to war, taking advice from the world war 2 vet could be hugely beneficial, but if the war you're going to be shipped off to is on space ships then maybe you better be familiar with the tech. digital is the modern industry standard. If you plan to do that then do that.. ctrl z that line until its perfect, don't like it later? transform it, using the tools available to you isn't cheating.. At the end of the day it is art.. the only thing you gotta do is you.. and how you got there isn't really important once you're there.
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I read through half these replies and see a lot of answers but not the obvious one. I will give you a musicians perspective of this: Fine liners and a tablet are the same difference as recording on a four track without punch in and inside of a DAW (digital audio workstation). The DAW is faster, sleeker, more powerful, more modern, and in every regard is a better platform for getting an idea into shape and finished than anything else. It makes transposition not just easy but literally not a problem whatsoever I can play and it will transpose for me with MIDI. This is like a tablet with a visual editing program. Well, because if this and the fact that you can infinitely punch in and work wherever in the song you want with perfect ability to control Z there’s more musicians than ever before who have whole works that they can’t play because they only recorded it the one time and played the part only five or six times to record it. That’s all hunky dory if they don’t want to perform and all but it’s just a thing to be aware of. Comparatively, when outside of a DAW on a physical medium of other recorder without punch in you have to play the whole song all the way through when recording. As a result, your relationship with what you make and how you make changes it. So that’s the difference to me. Work only with a tablet and eventually you might find that if you want to draw something in real space with permanent mediums maybe you can’t and that you allow yourself to make far more mistakes which creates a bottleneck in your workflow. So to me the pen and ink accomplishes: smoothening your workflow by making you less likely to ride/ become dependent on “undo” functions, keeping your art skills at their peak, and honestly they just also have very different mind spaces for creation that allow you to work differently and the paths you take add fingerprints to your work one way or the other. Anyways, I read the link you attached and I don’t see they have a problem with tablets. They said that they use a tablet for all their professional work but think there is value in practicing with physical mediums, and as an artist working with sound under similar constraints for years at this point I absolutely agree wholeheartedly.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g37keti
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g36kj72
| 1,598,674,103 | 1,598,652,868 | 11 | 10 |
its kinda like math teachers telling us we won't always have calculators lol. I mean if you want the muscle memory for the fundamentals, then do the boot camp so to speak.. if you want the muscle memory for the certain style you have already chosen then keep doing that. Think of it like this, if you're shipping off to war, taking advice from the world war 2 vet could be hugely beneficial, but if the war you're going to be shipped off to is on space ships then maybe you better be familiar with the tech. digital is the modern industry standard. If you plan to do that then do that.. ctrl z that line until its perfect, don't like it later? transform it, using the tools available to you isn't cheating.. At the end of the day it is art.. the only thing you gotta do is you.. and how you got there isn't really important once you're there.
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A few completionist on the discord offered me a site called "ctl+paint". I haven't checked it out yet, but it seems to be a similar thing that's more geared to digital work.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g37keti
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g35vk17
| 1,598,674,103 | 1,598,640,761 | 11 | 8 |
its kinda like math teachers telling us we won't always have calculators lol. I mean if you want the muscle memory for the fundamentals, then do the boot camp so to speak.. if you want the muscle memory for the certain style you have already chosen then keep doing that. Think of it like this, if you're shipping off to war, taking advice from the world war 2 vet could be hugely beneficial, but if the war you're going to be shipped off to is on space ships then maybe you better be familiar with the tech. digital is the modern industry standard. If you plan to do that then do that.. ctrl z that line until its perfect, don't like it later? transform it, using the tools available to you isn't cheating.. At the end of the day it is art.. the only thing you gotta do is you.. and how you got there isn't really important once you're there.
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Ahah, I enjoyed your rant. Maybe just use pen/paper for the exercises strictly but draw for fun on the pad?
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g37keti
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g35y4vs
| 1,598,674,103 | 1,598,641,985 | 11 | 7 |
its kinda like math teachers telling us we won't always have calculators lol. I mean if you want the muscle memory for the fundamentals, then do the boot camp so to speak.. if you want the muscle memory for the certain style you have already chosen then keep doing that. Think of it like this, if you're shipping off to war, taking advice from the world war 2 vet could be hugely beneficial, but if the war you're going to be shipped off to is on space ships then maybe you better be familiar with the tech. digital is the modern industry standard. If you plan to do that then do that.. ctrl z that line until its perfect, don't like it later? transform it, using the tools available to you isn't cheating.. At the end of the day it is art.. the only thing you gotta do is you.. and how you got there isn't really important once you're there.
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They aren’t saying that digital media is bad, just that it isn’t effective for this course. Definitely continue doing your art-for-fun with your tablet, but you should use pen and paper for this class. You can’t undo with paper, so you learn how to be more accurate over time. You can’t turn line smoothing on with paper, so you know better what you need to work on. It’s just a better way to learn this material. By all means, when you do your warmups, you can do them with your tablet. But the homework should be done with pen and paper.
| 1 | 32,118 | 1.571429 | ||
iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g37yocp
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g3629xw
| 1,598,685,981 | 1,598,643,937 | 12 | 11 |
I read through half these replies and see a lot of answers but not the obvious one. I will give you a musicians perspective of this: Fine liners and a tablet are the same difference as recording on a four track without punch in and inside of a DAW (digital audio workstation). The DAW is faster, sleeker, more powerful, more modern, and in every regard is a better platform for getting an idea into shape and finished than anything else. It makes transposition not just easy but literally not a problem whatsoever I can play and it will transpose for me with MIDI. This is like a tablet with a visual editing program. Well, because if this and the fact that you can infinitely punch in and work wherever in the song you want with perfect ability to control Z there’s more musicians than ever before who have whole works that they can’t play because they only recorded it the one time and played the part only five or six times to record it. That’s all hunky dory if they don’t want to perform and all but it’s just a thing to be aware of. Comparatively, when outside of a DAW on a physical medium of other recorder without punch in you have to play the whole song all the way through when recording. As a result, your relationship with what you make and how you make changes it. So that’s the difference to me. Work only with a tablet and eventually you might find that if you want to draw something in real space with permanent mediums maybe you can’t and that you allow yourself to make far more mistakes which creates a bottleneck in your workflow. So to me the pen and ink accomplishes: smoothening your workflow by making you less likely to ride/ become dependent on “undo” functions, keeping your art skills at their peak, and honestly they just also have very different mind spaces for creation that allow you to work differently and the paths you take add fingerprints to your work one way or the other. Anyways, I read the link you attached and I don’t see they have a problem with tablets. They said that they use a tablet for all their professional work but think there is value in practicing with physical mediums, and as an artist working with sound under similar constraints for years at this point I absolutely agree wholeheartedly.
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I do it all digitally anyway and even if I draw on paper, I prefer 2mm leadholders to fineliners. I'm not ANTI fineliner but eh.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g35vk17
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g3629xw
| 1,598,640,761 | 1,598,643,937 | 8 | 11 |
Ahah, I enjoyed your rant. Maybe just use pen/paper for the exercises strictly but draw for fun on the pad?
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I do it all digitally anyway and even if I draw on paper, I prefer 2mm leadholders to fineliners. I'm not ANTI fineliner but eh.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g35y4vs
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g3629xw
| 1,598,641,985 | 1,598,643,937 | 7 | 11 |
They aren’t saying that digital media is bad, just that it isn’t effective for this course. Definitely continue doing your art-for-fun with your tablet, but you should use pen and paper for this class. You can’t undo with paper, so you learn how to be more accurate over time. You can’t turn line smoothing on with paper, so you know better what you need to work on. It’s just a better way to learn this material. By all means, when you do your warmups, you can do them with your tablet. But the homework should be done with pen and paper.
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I do it all digitally anyway and even if I draw on paper, I prefer 2mm leadholders to fineliners. I'm not ANTI fineliner but eh.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g37yocp
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g36kj72
| 1,598,685,981 | 1,598,652,868 | 12 | 10 |
I read through half these replies and see a lot of answers but not the obvious one. I will give you a musicians perspective of this: Fine liners and a tablet are the same difference as recording on a four track without punch in and inside of a DAW (digital audio workstation). The DAW is faster, sleeker, more powerful, more modern, and in every regard is a better platform for getting an idea into shape and finished than anything else. It makes transposition not just easy but literally not a problem whatsoever I can play and it will transpose for me with MIDI. This is like a tablet with a visual editing program. Well, because if this and the fact that you can infinitely punch in and work wherever in the song you want with perfect ability to control Z there’s more musicians than ever before who have whole works that they can’t play because they only recorded it the one time and played the part only five or six times to record it. That’s all hunky dory if they don’t want to perform and all but it’s just a thing to be aware of. Comparatively, when outside of a DAW on a physical medium of other recorder without punch in you have to play the whole song all the way through when recording. As a result, your relationship with what you make and how you make changes it. So that’s the difference to me. Work only with a tablet and eventually you might find that if you want to draw something in real space with permanent mediums maybe you can’t and that you allow yourself to make far more mistakes which creates a bottleneck in your workflow. So to me the pen and ink accomplishes: smoothening your workflow by making you less likely to ride/ become dependent on “undo” functions, keeping your art skills at their peak, and honestly they just also have very different mind spaces for creation that allow you to work differently and the paths you take add fingerprints to your work one way or the other. Anyways, I read the link you attached and I don’t see they have a problem with tablets. They said that they use a tablet for all their professional work but think there is value in practicing with physical mediums, and as an artist working with sound under similar constraints for years at this point I absolutely agree wholeheartedly.
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A few completionist on the discord offered me a site called "ctl+paint". I haven't checked it out yet, but it seems to be a similar thing that's more geared to digital work.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g37yocp
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g36mecj
| 1,598,685,981 | 1,598,653,843 | 12 | 11 |
I read through half these replies and see a lot of answers but not the obvious one. I will give you a musicians perspective of this: Fine liners and a tablet are the same difference as recording on a four track without punch in and inside of a DAW (digital audio workstation). The DAW is faster, sleeker, more powerful, more modern, and in every regard is a better platform for getting an idea into shape and finished than anything else. It makes transposition not just easy but literally not a problem whatsoever I can play and it will transpose for me with MIDI. This is like a tablet with a visual editing program. Well, because if this and the fact that you can infinitely punch in and work wherever in the song you want with perfect ability to control Z there’s more musicians than ever before who have whole works that they can’t play because they only recorded it the one time and played the part only five or six times to record it. That’s all hunky dory if they don’t want to perform and all but it’s just a thing to be aware of. Comparatively, when outside of a DAW on a physical medium of other recorder without punch in you have to play the whole song all the way through when recording. As a result, your relationship with what you make and how you make changes it. So that’s the difference to me. Work only with a tablet and eventually you might find that if you want to draw something in real space with permanent mediums maybe you can’t and that you allow yourself to make far more mistakes which creates a bottleneck in your workflow. So to me the pen and ink accomplishes: smoothening your workflow by making you less likely to ride/ become dependent on “undo” functions, keeping your art skills at their peak, and honestly they just also have very different mind spaces for creation that allow you to work differently and the paths you take add fingerprints to your work one way or the other. Anyways, I read the link you attached and I don’t see they have a problem with tablets. They said that they use a tablet for all their professional work but think there is value in practicing with physical mediums, and as an artist working with sound under similar constraints for years at this point I absolutely agree wholeheartedly.
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Use the tools that are available to you. I don't have fine liners though, I had them but to buy new ones I have to go to a place which is a few kilometers. They're expensive in my country, I could spend the money buying breakfast for almost a week. So I use ballpoint pens. They sometimes make the drawings a little dirty but get the job done. Like the other guy said there's a good reason to use fineliners, it's like you're learning the manual way first so you build important muscle memories. Ballpoints are not better than them but I can get almost the same result.
| 1 | 32,138 | 1.090909 | ||
iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g37yocp
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g35vk17
| 1,598,685,981 | 1,598,640,761 | 12 | 8 |
I read through half these replies and see a lot of answers but not the obvious one. I will give you a musicians perspective of this: Fine liners and a tablet are the same difference as recording on a four track without punch in and inside of a DAW (digital audio workstation). The DAW is faster, sleeker, more powerful, more modern, and in every regard is a better platform for getting an idea into shape and finished than anything else. It makes transposition not just easy but literally not a problem whatsoever I can play and it will transpose for me with MIDI. This is like a tablet with a visual editing program. Well, because if this and the fact that you can infinitely punch in and work wherever in the song you want with perfect ability to control Z there’s more musicians than ever before who have whole works that they can’t play because they only recorded it the one time and played the part only five or six times to record it. That’s all hunky dory if they don’t want to perform and all but it’s just a thing to be aware of. Comparatively, when outside of a DAW on a physical medium of other recorder without punch in you have to play the whole song all the way through when recording. As a result, your relationship with what you make and how you make changes it. So that’s the difference to me. Work only with a tablet and eventually you might find that if you want to draw something in real space with permanent mediums maybe you can’t and that you allow yourself to make far more mistakes which creates a bottleneck in your workflow. So to me the pen and ink accomplishes: smoothening your workflow by making you less likely to ride/ become dependent on “undo” functions, keeping your art skills at their peak, and honestly they just also have very different mind spaces for creation that allow you to work differently and the paths you take add fingerprints to your work one way or the other. Anyways, I read the link you attached and I don’t see they have a problem with tablets. They said that they use a tablet for all their professional work but think there is value in practicing with physical mediums, and as an artist working with sound under similar constraints for years at this point I absolutely agree wholeheartedly.
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Ahah, I enjoyed your rant. Maybe just use pen/paper for the exercises strictly but draw for fun on the pad?
| 1 | 45,220 | 1.5 | ||
iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g35y4vs
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g37yocp
| 1,598,641,985 | 1,598,685,981 | 7 | 12 |
They aren’t saying that digital media is bad, just that it isn’t effective for this course. Definitely continue doing your art-for-fun with your tablet, but you should use pen and paper for this class. You can’t undo with paper, so you learn how to be more accurate over time. You can’t turn line smoothing on with paper, so you know better what you need to work on. It’s just a better way to learn this material. By all means, when you do your warmups, you can do them with your tablet. But the homework should be done with pen and paper.
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I read through half these replies and see a lot of answers but not the obvious one. I will give you a musicians perspective of this: Fine liners and a tablet are the same difference as recording on a four track without punch in and inside of a DAW (digital audio workstation). The DAW is faster, sleeker, more powerful, more modern, and in every regard is a better platform for getting an idea into shape and finished than anything else. It makes transposition not just easy but literally not a problem whatsoever I can play and it will transpose for me with MIDI. This is like a tablet with a visual editing program. Well, because if this and the fact that you can infinitely punch in and work wherever in the song you want with perfect ability to control Z there’s more musicians than ever before who have whole works that they can’t play because they only recorded it the one time and played the part only five or six times to record it. That’s all hunky dory if they don’t want to perform and all but it’s just a thing to be aware of. Comparatively, when outside of a DAW on a physical medium of other recorder without punch in you have to play the whole song all the way through when recording. As a result, your relationship with what you make and how you make changes it. So that’s the difference to me. Work only with a tablet and eventually you might find that if you want to draw something in real space with permanent mediums maybe you can’t and that you allow yourself to make far more mistakes which creates a bottleneck in your workflow. So to me the pen and ink accomplishes: smoothening your workflow by making you less likely to ride/ become dependent on “undo” functions, keeping your art skills at their peak, and honestly they just also have very different mind spaces for creation that allow you to work differently and the paths you take add fingerprints to your work one way or the other. Anyways, I read the link you attached and I don’t see they have a problem with tablets. They said that they use a tablet for all their professional work but think there is value in practicing with physical mediums, and as an artist working with sound under similar constraints for years at this point I absolutely agree wholeheartedly.
| 0 | 43,996 | 1.714286 | ||
iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g36mecj
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g36kj72
| 1,598,653,843 | 1,598,652,868 | 11 | 10 |
Use the tools that are available to you. I don't have fine liners though, I had them but to buy new ones I have to go to a place which is a few kilometers. They're expensive in my country, I could spend the money buying breakfast for almost a week. So I use ballpoint pens. They sometimes make the drawings a little dirty but get the job done. Like the other guy said there's a good reason to use fineliners, it's like you're learning the manual way first so you build important muscle memories. Ballpoints are not better than them but I can get almost the same result.
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A few completionist on the discord offered me a site called "ctl+paint". I haven't checked it out yet, but it seems to be a similar thing that's more geared to digital work.
| 1 | 975 | 1.1 | ||
iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g36kj72
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g35vk17
| 1,598,652,868 | 1,598,640,761 | 10 | 8 |
A few completionist on the discord offered me a site called "ctl+paint". I haven't checked it out yet, but it seems to be a similar thing that's more geared to digital work.
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Ahah, I enjoyed your rant. Maybe just use pen/paper for the exercises strictly but draw for fun on the pad?
| 1 | 12,107 | 1.25 | ||
iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g36kj72
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g35y4vs
| 1,598,652,868 | 1,598,641,985 | 10 | 7 |
A few completionist on the discord offered me a site called "ctl+paint". I haven't checked it out yet, but it seems to be a similar thing that's more geared to digital work.
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They aren’t saying that digital media is bad, just that it isn’t effective for this course. Definitely continue doing your art-for-fun with your tablet, but you should use pen and paper for this class. You can’t undo with paper, so you learn how to be more accurate over time. You can’t turn line smoothing on with paper, so you know better what you need to work on. It’s just a better way to learn this material. By all means, when you do your warmups, you can do them with your tablet. But the homework should be done with pen and paper.
| 1 | 10,883 | 1.428571 | ||
iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g36mecj
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g35vk17
| 1,598,653,843 | 1,598,640,761 | 11 | 8 |
Use the tools that are available to you. I don't have fine liners though, I had them but to buy new ones I have to go to a place which is a few kilometers. They're expensive in my country, I could spend the money buying breakfast for almost a week. So I use ballpoint pens. They sometimes make the drawings a little dirty but get the job done. Like the other guy said there's a good reason to use fineliners, it's like you're learning the manual way first so you build important muscle memories. Ballpoints are not better than them but I can get almost the same result.
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Ahah, I enjoyed your rant. Maybe just use pen/paper for the exercises strictly but draw for fun on the pad?
| 1 | 13,082 | 1.375 | ||
iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g35y4vs
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g36mecj
| 1,598,641,985 | 1,598,653,843 | 7 | 11 |
They aren’t saying that digital media is bad, just that it isn’t effective for this course. Definitely continue doing your art-for-fun with your tablet, but you should use pen and paper for this class. You can’t undo with paper, so you learn how to be more accurate over time. You can’t turn line smoothing on with paper, so you know better what you need to work on. It’s just a better way to learn this material. By all means, when you do your warmups, you can do them with your tablet. But the homework should be done with pen and paper.
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Use the tools that are available to you. I don't have fine liners though, I had them but to buy new ones I have to go to a place which is a few kilometers. They're expensive in my country, I could spend the money buying breakfast for almost a week. So I use ballpoint pens. They sometimes make the drawings a little dirty but get the job done. Like the other guy said there's a good reason to use fineliners, it's like you're learning the manual way first so you build important muscle memories. Ballpoints are not better than them but I can get almost the same result.
| 0 | 11,858 | 1.571429 | ||
iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g391dkx
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g35vk17
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As somebody from r/all without the baggage of my artistic ability or this lesson in particular being very important to me, why not just do it with what you want? Okay people are saying it's better to use pen and paper, so what? The lessons are free, start doing the lessons, make it your own. Look up other lessons and fold them in. In my opinion self-learning must be diversified and interesting enough to maintain engagement, so do it the way that makes it enjoyable for you. There's no one right way to do anything, no matter what reddit comments would have you believe.
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Ahah, I enjoyed your rant. Maybe just use pen/paper for the exercises strictly but draw for fun on the pad?
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
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The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g35y4vs
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g391dkx
| 1,598,641,985 | 1,598,716,755 | 7 | 9 |
They aren’t saying that digital media is bad, just that it isn’t effective for this course. Definitely continue doing your art-for-fun with your tablet, but you should use pen and paper for this class. You can’t undo with paper, so you learn how to be more accurate over time. You can’t turn line smoothing on with paper, so you know better what you need to work on. It’s just a better way to learn this material. By all means, when you do your warmups, you can do them with your tablet. But the homework should be done with pen and paper.
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As somebody from r/all without the baggage of my artistic ability or this lesson in particular being very important to me, why not just do it with what you want? Okay people are saying it's better to use pen and paper, so what? The lessons are free, start doing the lessons, make it your own. Look up other lessons and fold them in. In my opinion self-learning must be diversified and interesting enough to maintain engagement, so do it the way that makes it enjoyable for you. There's no one right way to do anything, no matter what reddit comments would have you believe.
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iibqat
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artfundamentals_train
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The amount of stress being put into the importance of fineliner pens and paper is quite discouraging to me. I have a 15'' display tablet that I've been using the past year. I was planning on using that in order to follow along the lessons, but then I reached the final section where it concludes that pen & paper are *required*. I searched around and found this article that explains why, exactly, pen and paper are so important... and well. The arguments don't really convince me. But even if I find the arguments a bit weak, there's always the possibility that I'm being naive. That there truly is a problem, something not obvious to the individual, but something that someone having taught so many students would be able to see. Over and over, it's said again and again. Pen and paper good, tablet bad. And, in that case... what even is the point of trying with a tablet, if I'm obviously going to miss a lot of important stuff? It's seems wasteful to try something when you know that you aren't doing it correctly. I have nothing against traditional media. I started out using pencil/pen and paper. But I don't like having to rely on something that's finite. I don't like having to go and buy something else. That's why I got the tablet in the first place, so that I no longer have to worry about pens, pencils or brushes. Maybe it's a just my silly millennial self talking. But that's how I feel. And then there's the feedback, one of the most important parts of this course. Would I be taken seriously, were I to present digitally made work? Would I get berated for not doing the "correct" thing? And I know this whole thing sounds silly. It's sounds silly to me, reading it again and thinking over the reasoning. I'm obviously overthinking stuff, like always. The solution is obvious, go buy the damn pens, if you don't want to then go do it in the damn tablet. But I don't want to go buy pens nor do I want to do something that's not going to work out as well. It sounds completely petty, I'm talking like a whining child. And then the whole though process goes through a circle and starts again. And the whole thing has really brought my spirits down. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this whole thing. I don't know what I expect to gain out of this... rant, I guess. Other than just letting it out of my head.
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g38ucnb
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g391dkx
| 1,598,712,955 | 1,598,716,755 | 6 | 9 |
One thing which isn't often mentioned which is a huge difference in how you draw digitally is if you are using a tablet where its also the screen (I.e cinetiq, ms surface, ipad) vs tablets where they are just drawing inputs where you need a separate screen (i.E wacom). If you are using a wacom like the latter then you are having to draw and potentially look elsewhere which can muddy the water a bit when learning imo. Whereas if you are using a tablet (I mix pen and paper and a surface pro) you are almost the same as pen and paper drawing, but there will be some differences but for all intents and purposes you are able to emulate the pen and paper experience a lot easier. So I don't think it's entirely fair to treat "drawing tablets" as a generic thing as one is nothing like pen and paper, the other is just like pen and paper. This being said though it's just emulating pen and paper, I find it far better for doing proper drawing as I can zoom in and out and do lots of other great stuff I can't so easily on pen and paper (Leonardo is great for sketching/emulating pen and paper).
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As somebody from r/all without the baggage of my artistic ability or this lesson in particular being very important to me, why not just do it with what you want? Okay people are saying it's better to use pen and paper, so what? The lessons are free, start doing the lessons, make it your own. Look up other lessons and fold them in. In my opinion self-learning must be diversified and interesting enough to maintain engagement, so do it the way that makes it enjoyable for you. There's no one right way to do anything, no matter what reddit comments would have you believe.
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biec81
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artfundamentals_train
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Listening to music/podcast while doing exercises? This might be a dumb question, but is it okay to have background noise while you do these exercises? I plan to start Lesson 1 soon and I want to know if listening to something in the background will diminish my concentration or absorption of the techniques. Or is it okay considering we need to learn not to be hyper accurate as he mentioned (for Lesson 1 as far as I know.) Thank you.
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em067y7
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em0xn9h
| 1,556,481,198 | 1,556,501,898 | 2 | 3 |
Try it
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I find that music helps me a lot. I get the urge to turn on Twitch streams or go browse Reddit, but music seems to satisfy my need for distraction while not being a distraction. Strangely, my preference in music is heavy metal, which one might think would be hugely distracting, but it works really well for me (maybe because it's not calm enough to bore me but I've listened to it enough that I can relegate it to the background?). A podcast or audio book likely wouldn't work so well for me because I would feel the need to focus on it to get as much out of it as possible and I think I'd constantly be rewinding, as was the case when I tried to have Twitch streams or Youtube videos on in the background, but I haven't tried either of these so maybe I'm wrong. Still afraid to try because I think it'd take focus away from drawing, or I'd wind up listening to the same ones over and over because I'd miss too much of their content by not focusing on them. Either way, it's something you should try out for yourself and see how it works out. Background noise can really help keep you focused by satisfying the urge to have something else going on while not heavily competing for your attention.
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biec81
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.69 |
Listening to music/podcast while doing exercises? This might be a dumb question, but is it okay to have background noise while you do these exercises? I plan to start Lesson 1 soon and I want to know if listening to something in the background will diminish my concentration or absorption of the techniques. Or is it okay considering we need to learn not to be hyper accurate as he mentioned (for Lesson 1 as far as I know.) Thank you.
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em0xn9h
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em0e872
| 1,556,501,898 | 1,556,486,845 | 3 | 2 |
I find that music helps me a lot. I get the urge to turn on Twitch streams or go browse Reddit, but music seems to satisfy my need for distraction while not being a distraction. Strangely, my preference in music is heavy metal, which one might think would be hugely distracting, but it works really well for me (maybe because it's not calm enough to bore me but I've listened to it enough that I can relegate it to the background?). A podcast or audio book likely wouldn't work so well for me because I would feel the need to focus on it to get as much out of it as possible and I think I'd constantly be rewinding, as was the case when I tried to have Twitch streams or Youtube videos on in the background, but I haven't tried either of these so maybe I'm wrong. Still afraid to try because I think it'd take focus away from drawing, or I'd wind up listening to the same ones over and over because I'd miss too much of their content by not focusing on them. Either way, it's something you should try out for yourself and see how it works out. Background noise can really help keep you focused by satisfying the urge to have something else going on while not heavily competing for your attention.
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Only you can know what helps you maintain focus. I prefer to listen to music.
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xkc5xq
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artfundamentals_train
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Is 0.35mm fineliner ok to use for official critique? When I bought my pens I only knew that I needed fineliners, but wasnt away they had to be a specific size. So I ended up with 0.35mm. I dont really want to buy more pens, so does it really make that much of a difference and will it be ok for official submission?
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ipd0r77
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ipd1fws
| 1,663,783,366 | 1,663,783,623 | 1 | 12 |
**To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead: * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting. **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.*
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Unfortunately the thinnest we're okay with is 0.4mm, as stated in here Lesson 0. We allow for a range instead of insisting upon 0.5mm or nothing, in part to allow for the fact that a nib of the same size may be more flexible in one brand than another causing some small variability, so there is certainly allowances baked in - but as such, it does mean that anything outside of the range is best kept for other drawing outside of this course.
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xkc5xq
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artfundamentals_train
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Is 0.35mm fineliner ok to use for official critique? When I bought my pens I only knew that I needed fineliners, but wasnt away they had to be a specific size. So I ended up with 0.35mm. I dont really want to buy more pens, so does it really make that much of a difference and will it be ok for official submission?
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ipd0r77
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ipgf6kn
| 1,663,783,366 | 1,663,846,841 | 1 | 3 |
**To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead: * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting. **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.*
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A single pen is unlikely to last the whole course anyway. I'm on lesson 2 and I'm on my 2nd pen. You can still use the pen for some things like ghosting dots or even just normal drawings so it'd not like it'd go to waste.
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xkc5xq
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artfundamentals_train
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Is 0.35mm fineliner ok to use for official critique? When I bought my pens I only knew that I needed fineliners, but wasnt away they had to be a specific size. So I ended up with 0.35mm. I dont really want to buy more pens, so does it really make that much of a difference and will it be ok for official submission?
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ipgf6kn
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ipd3nih
| 1,663,846,841 | 1,663,784,437 | 3 | 1 |
A single pen is unlikely to last the whole course anyway. I'm on lesson 2 and I'm on my 2nd pen. You can still use the pen for some things like ghosting dots or even just normal drawings so it'd not like it'd go to waste.
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I liked using .3 on the boxes then doing to outline in .5 but depending on your camera and lighting, 0.3 is hard to see.
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gzab5c
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artfundamentals_train
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Question, is using a drawing tablet okay for learning with this program? I see it says use certain kinds of pen and paper but nothing about if a drawing tablet is ok or not, so before i get deep into this, i was wondering if its ok to post the lessons i do using a drawing tablet rather than pen and paper, i should get the same end result as someone would using a pen and paper but it would be much easier for me to use a drawing tablet for it. I tried to flair the post as a question but it wouldnt let me.
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ftgug1k
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fthr85d
| 1,591,703,728 | 1,591,721,804 | 5 | 6 |
I use an 11 x 14 tablet that I had for a long time before I came across this course and it works just fine for me.
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I asked the same question to him then and this was his answer. "Drawabox is about teaching you specific skills and concepts, so i'd definitely still do those traditionally with the recommended tools. You should however jump into digital art to draw your own things (like the 50% rule discussed in a previous video)"
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gzab5c
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artfundamentals_train
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Question, is using a drawing tablet okay for learning with this program? I see it says use certain kinds of pen and paper but nothing about if a drawing tablet is ok or not, so before i get deep into this, i was wondering if its ok to post the lessons i do using a drawing tablet rather than pen and paper, i should get the same end result as someone would using a pen and paper but it would be much easier for me to use a drawing tablet for it. I tried to flair the post as a question but it wouldnt let me.
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fthr85d
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fthbb3g
| 1,591,721,804 | 1,591,714,044 | 6 | 3 |
I asked the same question to him then and this was his answer. "Drawabox is about teaching you specific skills and concepts, so i'd definitely still do those traditionally with the recommended tools. You should however jump into digital art to draw your own things (like the 50% rule discussed in a previous video)"
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I started the boxes with digital then I realized I used undo a bit more than I would like to admit so I switched over to traditional simply to build up my line confidence. I personally felt ghosting was easier to do when I can stare at the line (or dots) I placed on pen/paper than digital (but to be fair... I'm still not used to staring at the monitor while my arm moves). But definitely use what you're comfortable with / end goals are!
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gzab5c
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artfundamentals_train
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Question, is using a drawing tablet okay for learning with this program? I see it says use certain kinds of pen and paper but nothing about if a drawing tablet is ok or not, so before i get deep into this, i was wondering if its ok to post the lessons i do using a drawing tablet rather than pen and paper, i should get the same end result as someone would using a pen and paper but it would be much easier for me to use a drawing tablet for it. I tried to flair the post as a question but it wouldnt let me.
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fthr85d
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ftgnv3w
| 1,591,721,804 | 1,591,697,839 | 6 | 3 |
I asked the same question to him then and this was his answer. "Drawabox is about teaching you specific skills and concepts, so i'd definitely still do those traditionally with the recommended tools. You should however jump into digital art to draw your own things (like the 50% rule discussed in a previous video)"
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Oh I've got a kind of a similar question, can i use a fountain pen? It is stiff and provides a rich consistent line like a fineliner but i just enjoy using it, but idk if there's anything specific that is wrong with it if anything and I've not seen anywhere people mention fountain pens
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gzab5c
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artfundamentals_train
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Question, is using a drawing tablet okay for learning with this program? I see it says use certain kinds of pen and paper but nothing about if a drawing tablet is ok or not, so before i get deep into this, i was wondering if its ok to post the lessons i do using a drawing tablet rather than pen and paper, i should get the same end result as someone would using a pen and paper but it would be much easier for me to use a drawing tablet for it. I tried to flair the post as a question but it wouldnt let me.
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fthr85d
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ftgnim0
| 1,591,721,804 | 1,591,697,496 | 6 | 2 |
I asked the same question to him then and this was his answer. "Drawabox is about teaching you specific skills and concepts, so i'd definitely still do those traditionally with the recommended tools. You should however jump into digital art to draw your own things (like the 50% rule discussed in a previous video)"
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Drawing tablets are completely different beasts compared to regular pencil or ink.
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gzab5c
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artfundamentals_train
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Question, is using a drawing tablet okay for learning with this program? I see it says use certain kinds of pen and paper but nothing about if a drawing tablet is ok or not, so before i get deep into this, i was wondering if its ok to post the lessons i do using a drawing tablet rather than pen and paper, i should get the same end result as someone would using a pen and paper but it would be much easier for me to use a drawing tablet for it. I tried to flair the post as a question but it wouldnt let me.
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ftgug1k
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ftgnv3w
| 1,591,703,728 | 1,591,697,839 | 5 | 3 |
I use an 11 x 14 tablet that I had for a long time before I came across this course and it works just fine for me.
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Oh I've got a kind of a similar question, can i use a fountain pen? It is stiff and provides a rich consistent line like a fineliner but i just enjoy using it, but idk if there's anything specific that is wrong with it if anything and I've not seen anywhere people mention fountain pens
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gzab5c
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.88 |
Question, is using a drawing tablet okay for learning with this program? I see it says use certain kinds of pen and paper but nothing about if a drawing tablet is ok or not, so before i get deep into this, i was wondering if its ok to post the lessons i do using a drawing tablet rather than pen and paper, i should get the same end result as someone would using a pen and paper but it would be much easier for me to use a drawing tablet for it. I tried to flair the post as a question but it wouldnt let me.
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ftgnim0
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ftgug1k
| 1,591,697,496 | 1,591,703,728 | 2 | 5 |
Drawing tablets are completely different beasts compared to regular pencil or ink.
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I use an 11 x 14 tablet that I had for a long time before I came across this course and it works just fine for me.
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gzab5c
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.88 |
Question, is using a drawing tablet okay for learning with this program? I see it says use certain kinds of pen and paper but nothing about if a drawing tablet is ok or not, so before i get deep into this, i was wondering if its ok to post the lessons i do using a drawing tablet rather than pen and paper, i should get the same end result as someone would using a pen and paper but it would be much easier for me to use a drawing tablet for it. I tried to flair the post as a question but it wouldnt let me.
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fthbb3g
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ftgnim0
| 1,591,714,044 | 1,591,697,496 | 3 | 2 |
I started the boxes with digital then I realized I used undo a bit more than I would like to admit so I switched over to traditional simply to build up my line confidence. I personally felt ghosting was easier to do when I can stare at the line (or dots) I placed on pen/paper than digital (but to be fair... I'm still not used to staring at the monitor while my arm moves). But definitely use what you're comfortable with / end goals are!
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Drawing tablets are completely different beasts compared to regular pencil or ink.
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gzab5c
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.88 |
Question, is using a drawing tablet okay for learning with this program? I see it says use certain kinds of pen and paper but nothing about if a drawing tablet is ok or not, so before i get deep into this, i was wondering if its ok to post the lessons i do using a drawing tablet rather than pen and paper, i should get the same end result as someone would using a pen and paper but it would be much easier for me to use a drawing tablet for it. I tried to flair the post as a question but it wouldnt let me.
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ftgnim0
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ftgnv3w
| 1,591,697,496 | 1,591,697,839 | 2 | 3 |
Drawing tablets are completely different beasts compared to regular pencil or ink.
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Oh I've got a kind of a similar question, can i use a fountain pen? It is stiff and provides a rich consistent line like a fineliner but i just enjoy using it, but idk if there's anything specific that is wrong with it if anything and I've not seen anywhere people mention fountain pens
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gzab5c
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artfundamentals_train
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Question, is using a drawing tablet okay for learning with this program? I see it says use certain kinds of pen and paper but nothing about if a drawing tablet is ok or not, so before i get deep into this, i was wondering if its ok to post the lessons i do using a drawing tablet rather than pen and paper, i should get the same end result as someone would using a pen and paper but it would be much easier for me to use a drawing tablet for it. I tried to flair the post as a question but it wouldnt let me.
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ftgnim0
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ftifppa
| 1,591,697,496 | 1,591,733,409 | 2 | 3 |
Drawing tablets are completely different beasts compared to regular pencil or ink.
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If it's a tablet with built-in screen - why not. Just switch off all the assistants (straight lines, etc). If it's a tablet without screen - then *probably* no, you shouldn't learn on it. On this kind of tablets the arm-eye coordination is totally different, than on paper/screen tablet. In this case the fundamentals you should learn on paper, then switch to tablet.
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touguq
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artfundamentals_train
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Is it fine to not submit for critique? Is it that necessary? I can just identify mistakes on my own maybe with some guides as well and can learn to critique myself from other stuff. Would that be a fine option?
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i2a908m
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i29vb1f
| 1,648,361,093 | 1,648,352,066 | 14 | 5 |
It's recommended but it's not an obligation. Drawabox is very useful and will help you improve. I did lesson 1 and the 250 box challenge and put it up for community critique. Lesson 2 I finished over a few months and I haven't put it up yet. More important than critiques, is to make sure that you're following the lesson instructions and the initial principles (drawing from shoulder, rotating page, confident strokes, thinking about cast shadows etc.) in every exercise that you do. I often find myself blanking on the initial instructions, hurrying through exercises, etc. It's also fine to ask questions about any exercises or techniques that aren't clear. :) Maybe you don't post everything or ask for critique, but you can still be a part of the community. Good luck!
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most of the time it's just sharing so people can comment on each other, nothing too serious
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ucgo2n
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artfundamentals_train
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HELP: 250 cylinder challenge Any tips for more variations in the overall forms of the cylinders. Most of my cylinders end up looking the same and I am afraid that i am just drawing the same thing over and over again.
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i6cusrp
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i6xchq2
| 1,651,029,924 | 1,651,425,381 | 1 | 2 |
Can you upload some examples? It would be easier to answer if we can see your cylinders so far
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I’m not sure if it’s something you should do but what I did was I download a 3D model of a transparent cylinder so I could rotate it to get ideas. I didn’t look at it while drawing as I think this isn’t the purpose of the exercise. But I used it to get inspiration and build a visual library of how cylinders rotate. It’s also helpful to have clearly defined in your mind what you’re going for before drawing, try to visualize the cylinder you’ll be drawing beforehand (in case you don’t have aphantasia).
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Why isn't the 250 box challenge a touch clearer about how lines relate? I'm currently busy with the 250 box challenge. Initially I kept getting 2 dimensions to correctly converge, but consistently I got trouble with the third dimension. I finally worked it out that if I start with the initial Y and I plan my lines with a ghost-and-dot method relative to 2 of the lines and pick the point where the two lines cross as my corner the third dimension kind of works out (I still need a ton of practice, but despite my overall lack of practice my three dimensions are consistently working out). Also consistently planning all my lines relative to the initial Y to avoid cumulative error, but that's a different matter. So my question is this: why doesn't the challenge page mention this? This seems like exactly the kind of detail that makes Draw a Box different from other resources that rely heavily on trial and error, deliberate practice of fundamental concepts, techniques and relations. So it's peculiar to me that it's missing?
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I kind of like that there isn't that much hand holding here and they just chuck you in the deep end. But that's just me lol.
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I dont think there is any one ''right'' way to do this. Different people come up with different strategies. For me it was drawing the initial Y for the front corner and then an inversion of that Y for the back corner, then joining the sides. The idea is to have a good understanding how the box would look in a 3d space.
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