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h8t4fk
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askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Do you also happen to get sad because you simply will never have enough time to get the knowledge you want to? I was wondering if other people also get kind of sad because it is simply impossible to have enough time to learn everything you actually wanted to learn by a certain age/stage in life. Like idk, completing that list of books with important authors in your field which gets longer and longer while keeping up with the recent findings in your field. Or learning that additional programming language or further practicing the one your familiar with. Or learning one more additional language. And all of that on top of the workload you already have. Sometimes that makes me really sad because there are just so many things I am interested in and curious about but the more I study the things the longer the list of things I want to learn more about gets. Idk if you can relate but I just wanted to share this and I would be really interested to see what you think about this!
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fusuwpn
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fuvqirg
| 1,592,143,665 | 1,592,207,045 | 1 | 2 |
Yep
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https://www.dictionaryofobscuresorrows.com/post/73524850764/onism
| 0 | 63,380 | 2 | ||
h8t4fk
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askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Do you also happen to get sad because you simply will never have enough time to get the knowledge you want to? I was wondering if other people also get kind of sad because it is simply impossible to have enough time to learn everything you actually wanted to learn by a certain age/stage in life. Like idk, completing that list of books with important authors in your field which gets longer and longer while keeping up with the recent findings in your field. Or learning that additional programming language or further practicing the one your familiar with. Or learning one more additional language. And all of that on top of the workload you already have. Sometimes that makes me really sad because there are just so many things I am interested in and curious about but the more I study the things the longer the list of things I want to learn more about gets. Idk if you can relate but I just wanted to share this and I would be really interested to see what you think about this!
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fusx3p6
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fuvqirg
| 1,592,145,063 | 1,592,207,045 | 1 | 2 |
This is me!
|
https://www.dictionaryofobscuresorrows.com/post/73524850764/onism
| 0 | 61,982 | 2 | ||
h8t4fk
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askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Do you also happen to get sad because you simply will never have enough time to get the knowledge you want to? I was wondering if other people also get kind of sad because it is simply impossible to have enough time to learn everything you actually wanted to learn by a certain age/stage in life. Like idk, completing that list of books with important authors in your field which gets longer and longer while keeping up with the recent findings in your field. Or learning that additional programming language or further practicing the one your familiar with. Or learning one more additional language. And all of that on top of the workload you already have. Sometimes that makes me really sad because there are just so many things I am interested in and curious about but the more I study the things the longer the list of things I want to learn more about gets. Idk if you can relate but I just wanted to share this and I would be really interested to see what you think about this!
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fut0h34
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fuvqirg
| 1,592,147,096 | 1,592,207,045 | 1 | 2 |
I will provide a dissenting opinion - I haven’t felt like that, primarily because my mental health problems cause me to just be happy I made it to the next day - my brain is filled with too much to worry about this. Also, I still have a lot of time to learn things anyways, though I never felt a need to know everything.
|
https://www.dictionaryofobscuresorrows.com/post/73524850764/onism
| 0 | 59,949 | 2 | ||
h8t4fk
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askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Do you also happen to get sad because you simply will never have enough time to get the knowledge you want to? I was wondering if other people also get kind of sad because it is simply impossible to have enough time to learn everything you actually wanted to learn by a certain age/stage in life. Like idk, completing that list of books with important authors in your field which gets longer and longer while keeping up with the recent findings in your field. Or learning that additional programming language or further practicing the one your familiar with. Or learning one more additional language. And all of that on top of the workload you already have. Sometimes that makes me really sad because there are just so many things I am interested in and curious about but the more I study the things the longer the list of things I want to learn more about gets. Idk if you can relate but I just wanted to share this and I would be really interested to see what you think about this!
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futhwl9
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fuvqirg
| 1,592,156,804 | 1,592,207,045 | 1 | 2 |
I know the feeling you are talking about, but I try to see it as a positive! Like, there’s an ocean of cool stuff I could do, and fully accept that I will never be able to experience it all, but I will experience as much of it as I can, and enjoy it while I do so! And if I stop enjoying it, I’ll go try a different piece of ocean!
|
https://www.dictionaryofobscuresorrows.com/post/73524850764/onism
| 0 | 50,241 | 2 | ||
h8t4fk
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askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Do you also happen to get sad because you simply will never have enough time to get the knowledge you want to? I was wondering if other people also get kind of sad because it is simply impossible to have enough time to learn everything you actually wanted to learn by a certain age/stage in life. Like idk, completing that list of books with important authors in your field which gets longer and longer while keeping up with the recent findings in your field. Or learning that additional programming language or further practicing the one your familiar with. Or learning one more additional language. And all of that on top of the workload you already have. Sometimes that makes me really sad because there are just so many things I am interested in and curious about but the more I study the things the longer the list of things I want to learn more about gets. Idk if you can relate but I just wanted to share this and I would be really interested to see what you think about this!
|
fuvqirg
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fuurvht
| 1,592,207,045 | 1,592,182,310 | 2 | 1 |
https://www.dictionaryofobscuresorrows.com/post/73524850764/onism
|
Yes all the time
| 1 | 24,735 | 2 | ||
h8t4fk
|
askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Do you also happen to get sad because you simply will never have enough time to get the knowledge you want to? I was wondering if other people also get kind of sad because it is simply impossible to have enough time to learn everything you actually wanted to learn by a certain age/stage in life. Like idk, completing that list of books with important authors in your field which gets longer and longer while keeping up with the recent findings in your field. Or learning that additional programming language or further practicing the one your familiar with. Or learning one more additional language. And all of that on top of the workload you already have. Sometimes that makes me really sad because there are just so many things I am interested in and curious about but the more I study the things the longer the list of things I want to learn more about gets. Idk if you can relate but I just wanted to share this and I would be really interested to see what you think about this!
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fuv938q
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fuvqirg
| 1,592,193,062 | 1,592,207,045 | 1 | 2 |
There are many things that are more important in life than learning the minutiae of some esoteric field.
|
https://www.dictionaryofobscuresorrows.com/post/73524850764/onism
| 0 | 13,983 | 2 | ||
h8t4fk
|
askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Do you also happen to get sad because you simply will never have enough time to get the knowledge you want to? I was wondering if other people also get kind of sad because it is simply impossible to have enough time to learn everything you actually wanted to learn by a certain age/stage in life. Like idk, completing that list of books with important authors in your field which gets longer and longer while keeping up with the recent findings in your field. Or learning that additional programming language or further practicing the one your familiar with. Or learning one more additional language. And all of that on top of the workload you already have. Sometimes that makes me really sad because there are just so many things I am interested in and curious about but the more I study the things the longer the list of things I want to learn more about gets. Idk if you can relate but I just wanted to share this and I would be really interested to see what you think about this!
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fusuwpn
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fwnj6hu
| 1,592,143,665 | 1,593,656,368 | 1 | 2 |
Yep
|
No way! The alternative is way more bleak... “Welp, I know everything I care to know. Guess I’ll just go play video games now.”
| 0 | 1,512,703 | 2 | ||
h8t4fk
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askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Do you also happen to get sad because you simply will never have enough time to get the knowledge you want to? I was wondering if other people also get kind of sad because it is simply impossible to have enough time to learn everything you actually wanted to learn by a certain age/stage in life. Like idk, completing that list of books with important authors in your field which gets longer and longer while keeping up with the recent findings in your field. Or learning that additional programming language or further practicing the one your familiar with. Or learning one more additional language. And all of that on top of the workload you already have. Sometimes that makes me really sad because there are just so many things I am interested in and curious about but the more I study the things the longer the list of things I want to learn more about gets. Idk if you can relate but I just wanted to share this and I would be really interested to see what you think about this!
|
fusx3p6
|
fwnj6hu
| 1,592,145,063 | 1,593,656,368 | 1 | 2 |
This is me!
|
No way! The alternative is way more bleak... “Welp, I know everything I care to know. Guess I’ll just go play video games now.”
| 0 | 1,511,305 | 2 | ||
h8t4fk
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askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Do you also happen to get sad because you simply will never have enough time to get the knowledge you want to? I was wondering if other people also get kind of sad because it is simply impossible to have enough time to learn everything you actually wanted to learn by a certain age/stage in life. Like idk, completing that list of books with important authors in your field which gets longer and longer while keeping up with the recent findings in your field. Or learning that additional programming language or further practicing the one your familiar with. Or learning one more additional language. And all of that on top of the workload you already have. Sometimes that makes me really sad because there are just so many things I am interested in and curious about but the more I study the things the longer the list of things I want to learn more about gets. Idk if you can relate but I just wanted to share this and I would be really interested to see what you think about this!
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fwnj6hu
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fut0h34
| 1,593,656,368 | 1,592,147,096 | 2 | 1 |
No way! The alternative is way more bleak... “Welp, I know everything I care to know. Guess I’ll just go play video games now.”
|
I will provide a dissenting opinion - I haven’t felt like that, primarily because my mental health problems cause me to just be happy I made it to the next day - my brain is filled with too much to worry about this. Also, I still have a lot of time to learn things anyways, though I never felt a need to know everything.
| 1 | 1,509,272 | 2 | ||
h8t4fk
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askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Do you also happen to get sad because you simply will never have enough time to get the knowledge you want to? I was wondering if other people also get kind of sad because it is simply impossible to have enough time to learn everything you actually wanted to learn by a certain age/stage in life. Like idk, completing that list of books with important authors in your field which gets longer and longer while keeping up with the recent findings in your field. Or learning that additional programming language or further practicing the one your familiar with. Or learning one more additional language. And all of that on top of the workload you already have. Sometimes that makes me really sad because there are just so many things I am interested in and curious about but the more I study the things the longer the list of things I want to learn more about gets. Idk if you can relate but I just wanted to share this and I would be really interested to see what you think about this!
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fwnj6hu
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futhwl9
| 1,593,656,368 | 1,592,156,804 | 2 | 1 |
No way! The alternative is way more bleak... “Welp, I know everything I care to know. Guess I’ll just go play video games now.”
|
I know the feeling you are talking about, but I try to see it as a positive! Like, there’s an ocean of cool stuff I could do, and fully accept that I will never be able to experience it all, but I will experience as much of it as I can, and enjoy it while I do so! And if I stop enjoying it, I’ll go try a different piece of ocean!
| 1 | 1,499,564 | 2 | ||
h8t4fk
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askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Do you also happen to get sad because you simply will never have enough time to get the knowledge you want to? I was wondering if other people also get kind of sad because it is simply impossible to have enough time to learn everything you actually wanted to learn by a certain age/stage in life. Like idk, completing that list of books with important authors in your field which gets longer and longer while keeping up with the recent findings in your field. Or learning that additional programming language or further practicing the one your familiar with. Or learning one more additional language. And all of that on top of the workload you already have. Sometimes that makes me really sad because there are just so many things I am interested in and curious about but the more I study the things the longer the list of things I want to learn more about gets. Idk if you can relate but I just wanted to share this and I would be really interested to see what you think about this!
|
fuurvht
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fwnj6hu
| 1,592,182,310 | 1,593,656,368 | 1 | 2 |
Yes all the time
|
No way! The alternative is way more bleak... “Welp, I know everything I care to know. Guess I’ll just go play video games now.”
| 0 | 1,474,058 | 2 | ||
h8t4fk
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askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Do you also happen to get sad because you simply will never have enough time to get the knowledge you want to? I was wondering if other people also get kind of sad because it is simply impossible to have enough time to learn everything you actually wanted to learn by a certain age/stage in life. Like idk, completing that list of books with important authors in your field which gets longer and longer while keeping up with the recent findings in your field. Or learning that additional programming language or further practicing the one your familiar with. Or learning one more additional language. And all of that on top of the workload you already have. Sometimes that makes me really sad because there are just so many things I am interested in and curious about but the more I study the things the longer the list of things I want to learn more about gets. Idk if you can relate but I just wanted to share this and I would be really interested to see what you think about this!
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fwnj6hu
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fuv938q
| 1,593,656,368 | 1,592,193,062 | 2 | 1 |
No way! The alternative is way more bleak... “Welp, I know everything I care to know. Guess I’ll just go play video games now.”
|
There are many things that are more important in life than learning the minutiae of some esoteric field.
| 1 | 1,463,306 | 2 | ||
h8t4fk
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askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Do you also happen to get sad because you simply will never have enough time to get the knowledge you want to? I was wondering if other people also get kind of sad because it is simply impossible to have enough time to learn everything you actually wanted to learn by a certain age/stage in life. Like idk, completing that list of books with important authors in your field which gets longer and longer while keeping up with the recent findings in your field. Or learning that additional programming language or further practicing the one your familiar with. Or learning one more additional language. And all of that on top of the workload you already have. Sometimes that makes me really sad because there are just so many things I am interested in and curious about but the more I study the things the longer the list of things I want to learn more about gets. Idk if you can relate but I just wanted to share this and I would be really interested to see what you think about this!
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fuvuy4u
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fwnj6hu
| 1,592,211,341 | 1,593,656,368 | 1 | 2 |
Yes, but I have found a way around it. What I do is whatever field I want to explore, I try to learn all the topics, sub topics, and all the other associated ideas by name only and link them on whether they are related to each other or not. This way I build up a web of knowledge on which field and sub field relates to what. If I have a bit more time I try to know the absolute basic of that topic so that I can have that mental web of knowledge. This way whenever I come across a subject, I know which associated topics are related and thus where I should search if I actually want to know more in depth. Knowledge is readily available and preserved in the internet, my brain doesn’t have to do that. What I need my brain to do is index which knowledge relates to which, so I know where to search in order to retrieve it.
|
No way! The alternative is way more bleak... “Welp, I know everything I care to know. Guess I’ll just go play video games now.”
| 0 | 1,445,027 | 2 | ||
h8t4fk
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askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Do you also happen to get sad because you simply will never have enough time to get the knowledge you want to? I was wondering if other people also get kind of sad because it is simply impossible to have enough time to learn everything you actually wanted to learn by a certain age/stage in life. Like idk, completing that list of books with important authors in your field which gets longer and longer while keeping up with the recent findings in your field. Or learning that additional programming language or further practicing the one your familiar with. Or learning one more additional language. And all of that on top of the workload you already have. Sometimes that makes me really sad because there are just so many things I am interested in and curious about but the more I study the things the longer the list of things I want to learn more about gets. Idk if you can relate but I just wanted to share this and I would be really interested to see what you think about this!
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fusuwpn
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g8xtbev
| 1,592,143,665 | 1,602,796,695 | 1 | 2 |
Yep
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I had this thought in undergrad in the basement library while working on a paper. It was: that there will be a point in my life when all the knowledge accretion ends, my death.
| 0 | 10,653,030 | 2 | ||
h8t4fk
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askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Do you also happen to get sad because you simply will never have enough time to get the knowledge you want to? I was wondering if other people also get kind of sad because it is simply impossible to have enough time to learn everything you actually wanted to learn by a certain age/stage in life. Like idk, completing that list of books with important authors in your field which gets longer and longer while keeping up with the recent findings in your field. Or learning that additional programming language or further practicing the one your familiar with. Or learning one more additional language. And all of that on top of the workload you already have. Sometimes that makes me really sad because there are just so many things I am interested in and curious about but the more I study the things the longer the list of things I want to learn more about gets. Idk if you can relate but I just wanted to share this and I would be really interested to see what you think about this!
|
fusx3p6
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g8xtbev
| 1,592,145,063 | 1,602,796,695 | 1 | 2 |
This is me!
|
I had this thought in undergrad in the basement library while working on a paper. It was: that there will be a point in my life when all the knowledge accretion ends, my death.
| 0 | 10,651,632 | 2 | ||
h8t4fk
|
askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Do you also happen to get sad because you simply will never have enough time to get the knowledge you want to? I was wondering if other people also get kind of sad because it is simply impossible to have enough time to learn everything you actually wanted to learn by a certain age/stage in life. Like idk, completing that list of books with important authors in your field which gets longer and longer while keeping up with the recent findings in your field. Or learning that additional programming language or further practicing the one your familiar with. Or learning one more additional language. And all of that on top of the workload you already have. Sometimes that makes me really sad because there are just so many things I am interested in and curious about but the more I study the things the longer the list of things I want to learn more about gets. Idk if you can relate but I just wanted to share this and I would be really interested to see what you think about this!
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fut0h34
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g8xtbev
| 1,592,147,096 | 1,602,796,695 | 1 | 2 |
I will provide a dissenting opinion - I haven’t felt like that, primarily because my mental health problems cause me to just be happy I made it to the next day - my brain is filled with too much to worry about this. Also, I still have a lot of time to learn things anyways, though I never felt a need to know everything.
|
I had this thought in undergrad in the basement library while working on a paper. It was: that there will be a point in my life when all the knowledge accretion ends, my death.
| 0 | 10,649,599 | 2 | ||
h8t4fk
|
askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Do you also happen to get sad because you simply will never have enough time to get the knowledge you want to? I was wondering if other people also get kind of sad because it is simply impossible to have enough time to learn everything you actually wanted to learn by a certain age/stage in life. Like idk, completing that list of books with important authors in your field which gets longer and longer while keeping up with the recent findings in your field. Or learning that additional programming language or further practicing the one your familiar with. Or learning one more additional language. And all of that on top of the workload you already have. Sometimes that makes me really sad because there are just so many things I am interested in and curious about but the more I study the things the longer the list of things I want to learn more about gets. Idk if you can relate but I just wanted to share this and I would be really interested to see what you think about this!
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g8xtbev
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futhwl9
| 1,602,796,695 | 1,592,156,804 | 2 | 1 |
I had this thought in undergrad in the basement library while working on a paper. It was: that there will be a point in my life when all the knowledge accretion ends, my death.
|
I know the feeling you are talking about, but I try to see it as a positive! Like, there’s an ocean of cool stuff I could do, and fully accept that I will never be able to experience it all, but I will experience as much of it as I can, and enjoy it while I do so! And if I stop enjoying it, I’ll go try a different piece of ocean!
| 1 | 10,639,891 | 2 | ||
h8t4fk
|
askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Do you also happen to get sad because you simply will never have enough time to get the knowledge you want to? I was wondering if other people also get kind of sad because it is simply impossible to have enough time to learn everything you actually wanted to learn by a certain age/stage in life. Like idk, completing that list of books with important authors in your field which gets longer and longer while keeping up with the recent findings in your field. Or learning that additional programming language or further practicing the one your familiar with. Or learning one more additional language. And all of that on top of the workload you already have. Sometimes that makes me really sad because there are just so many things I am interested in and curious about but the more I study the things the longer the list of things I want to learn more about gets. Idk if you can relate but I just wanted to share this and I would be really interested to see what you think about this!
|
g8xtbev
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fuurvht
| 1,602,796,695 | 1,592,182,310 | 2 | 1 |
I had this thought in undergrad in the basement library while working on a paper. It was: that there will be a point in my life when all the knowledge accretion ends, my death.
|
Yes all the time
| 1 | 10,614,385 | 2 | ||
h8t4fk
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askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Do you also happen to get sad because you simply will never have enough time to get the knowledge you want to? I was wondering if other people also get kind of sad because it is simply impossible to have enough time to learn everything you actually wanted to learn by a certain age/stage in life. Like idk, completing that list of books with important authors in your field which gets longer and longer while keeping up with the recent findings in your field. Or learning that additional programming language or further practicing the one your familiar with. Or learning one more additional language. And all of that on top of the workload you already have. Sometimes that makes me really sad because there are just so many things I am interested in and curious about but the more I study the things the longer the list of things I want to learn more about gets. Idk if you can relate but I just wanted to share this and I would be really interested to see what you think about this!
|
fuv938q
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g8xtbev
| 1,592,193,062 | 1,602,796,695 | 1 | 2 |
There are many things that are more important in life than learning the minutiae of some esoteric field.
|
I had this thought in undergrad in the basement library while working on a paper. It was: that there will be a point in my life when all the knowledge accretion ends, my death.
| 0 | 10,603,633 | 2 | ||
h8t4fk
|
askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Do you also happen to get sad because you simply will never have enough time to get the knowledge you want to? I was wondering if other people also get kind of sad because it is simply impossible to have enough time to learn everything you actually wanted to learn by a certain age/stage in life. Like idk, completing that list of books with important authors in your field which gets longer and longer while keeping up with the recent findings in your field. Or learning that additional programming language or further practicing the one your familiar with. Or learning one more additional language. And all of that on top of the workload you already have. Sometimes that makes me really sad because there are just so many things I am interested in and curious about but the more I study the things the longer the list of things I want to learn more about gets. Idk if you can relate but I just wanted to share this and I would be really interested to see what you think about this!
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g8xtbev
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fuvuy4u
| 1,602,796,695 | 1,592,211,341 | 2 | 1 |
I had this thought in undergrad in the basement library while working on a paper. It was: that there will be a point in my life when all the knowledge accretion ends, my death.
|
Yes, but I have found a way around it. What I do is whatever field I want to explore, I try to learn all the topics, sub topics, and all the other associated ideas by name only and link them on whether they are related to each other or not. This way I build up a web of knowledge on which field and sub field relates to what. If I have a bit more time I try to know the absolute basic of that topic so that I can have that mental web of knowledge. This way whenever I come across a subject, I know which associated topics are related and thus where I should search if I actually want to know more in depth. Knowledge is readily available and preserved in the internet, my brain doesn’t have to do that. What I need my brain to do is index which knowledge relates to which, so I know where to search in order to retrieve it.
| 1 | 10,585,354 | 2 | ||
lcrq4z
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askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Why did I pursue a PhD if it has not led to any opportunities? I’m feeling pretty down at the moment. I’ve been applying to TT jobs for a few years and have gotten no luck. I received my PhD from an average state school in 2015 and have had two relatively fruitful postdocs the last 5 years. I’ve published 10 papers in mid-tier journals. Yet it’s all been for nothing. I can’t get a job for the life of me. I’ve applied to probably almost 100 professor jobs with no success whatsoever. 4 year R1 schools, SLACs, and community colleges all have rejected me. I’m willing to relocate anywhere in the country. There’s too few jobs and I just don’t cut. I’m almost 35 now with a salary that an undergrad straight out of college wouldn’t be thrilled with. And I’ve busting my ass for more than a decade for pretty much nothing. No upside, no new or exciting opportunities, nothing. It sucks. I would have been better off teaching high school instead of trying in to break into higher ed. I’ve learned the hard way that the PhD pays in prestige, but you can’t eat prestige. Why did I do this to myself? Any one else feel this way?
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gm1rr1w
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gm1mefh
| 1,612,479,840 | 1,612,477,471 | 335 | 183 |
Sorry to hear this. As someone who nope-d out of academia pretty much after defending, I have mixed feelings about this, but they're mostly positive. There's a part of me that wishes that academia was what I dreamt it was, and a part of me that wishes I had succeeded, despite it being not what I had hoped. But I don't regret anything. I went to grad school because I loved science - not for the money (lol), or the prestige, but because I loved it as a way of acquiring knowledge and learning about the world. That's still true today, and it will probably be true my whole life. For me, that realization helped me overcome what I think a lot of people fear when they think about leaving academia: "Will I ever be able to love something as much as this?" And just like the ending of a bad relationship, despite my feelings to the contrary at the time, the answer is yes. But more importantly, it doesn't matter even if the answer is "no", because from what you describe, it doesn't matter how much you love academia, academia does not love you back.
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It doesn't even pay in prestige tbh. It's not like socially people give a shit whether you have a PhD or not. > Why did I do this to myself? It may have been a hard outcome to predict ex ante, or your risk management abilities may be lacking, or somewhere in between. There's no point now in punishing yourself for a decision you made years ago. tbh after 2 postdocs and 10 papers in mid-tier journals, I'd start looking at Plan B. At a certain point you should move on.
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lcrq4z
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askacademia_train
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Why did I pursue a PhD if it has not led to any opportunities? I’m feeling pretty down at the moment. I’ve been applying to TT jobs for a few years and have gotten no luck. I received my PhD from an average state school in 2015 and have had two relatively fruitful postdocs the last 5 years. I’ve published 10 papers in mid-tier journals. Yet it’s all been for nothing. I can’t get a job for the life of me. I’ve applied to probably almost 100 professor jobs with no success whatsoever. 4 year R1 schools, SLACs, and community colleges all have rejected me. I’m willing to relocate anywhere in the country. There’s too few jobs and I just don’t cut. I’m almost 35 now with a salary that an undergrad straight out of college wouldn’t be thrilled with. And I’ve busting my ass for more than a decade for pretty much nothing. No upside, no new or exciting opportunities, nothing. It sucks. I would have been better off teaching high school instead of trying in to break into higher ed. I’ve learned the hard way that the PhD pays in prestige, but you can’t eat prestige. Why did I do this to myself? Any one else feel this way?
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gm1rr1w
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gm1owlw
| 1,612,479,840 | 1,612,478,569 | 335 | 157 |
Sorry to hear this. As someone who nope-d out of academia pretty much after defending, I have mixed feelings about this, but they're mostly positive. There's a part of me that wishes that academia was what I dreamt it was, and a part of me that wishes I had succeeded, despite it being not what I had hoped. But I don't regret anything. I went to grad school because I loved science - not for the money (lol), or the prestige, but because I loved it as a way of acquiring knowledge and learning about the world. That's still true today, and it will probably be true my whole life. For me, that realization helped me overcome what I think a lot of people fear when they think about leaving academia: "Will I ever be able to love something as much as this?" And just like the ending of a bad relationship, despite my feelings to the contrary at the time, the answer is yes. But more importantly, it doesn't matter even if the answer is "no", because from what you describe, it doesn't matter how much you love academia, academia does not love you back.
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I can relate. I found a decent position, but I've always kept my eye an the market and applied to the more "dream" schools since I've graduated. I only had one finalist interview at a "fancy" school. As usual, someone better connected than me with more pubs got the position. It's really rough out there. I can really relate to what your saying. My PhD experience was traumatic, and my advisor committed suicide when I was writing. I was almost booted from my program because the other major professor didn't like my topic. I was able to graduate super fast, but I think maybe only recently can I honestly say that it was worth getting the degree. Once of the things that I've had to do is branch out a bit into other areas of interest, and be flexible with the work that I do. Don't box yourself in to the tenure track only dream that gets sold to us. It's just not possible for most of us. Focus instead on what you can do creatively, and how you can make a living at the same time.
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lcrq4z
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askacademia_train
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Why did I pursue a PhD if it has not led to any opportunities? I’m feeling pretty down at the moment. I’ve been applying to TT jobs for a few years and have gotten no luck. I received my PhD from an average state school in 2015 and have had two relatively fruitful postdocs the last 5 years. I’ve published 10 papers in mid-tier journals. Yet it’s all been for nothing. I can’t get a job for the life of me. I’ve applied to probably almost 100 professor jobs with no success whatsoever. 4 year R1 schools, SLACs, and community colleges all have rejected me. I’m willing to relocate anywhere in the country. There’s too few jobs and I just don’t cut. I’m almost 35 now with a salary that an undergrad straight out of college wouldn’t be thrilled with. And I’ve busting my ass for more than a decade for pretty much nothing. No upside, no new or exciting opportunities, nothing. It sucks. I would have been better off teaching high school instead of trying in to break into higher ed. I’ve learned the hard way that the PhD pays in prestige, but you can’t eat prestige. Why did I do this to myself? Any one else feel this way?
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gm1nitv
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gm1rr1w
| 1,612,477,961 | 1,612,479,840 | 20 | 335 |
What is it in? Can you go into industry?
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Sorry to hear this. As someone who nope-d out of academia pretty much after defending, I have mixed feelings about this, but they're mostly positive. There's a part of me that wishes that academia was what I dreamt it was, and a part of me that wishes I had succeeded, despite it being not what I had hoped. But I don't regret anything. I went to grad school because I loved science - not for the money (lol), or the prestige, but because I loved it as a way of acquiring knowledge and learning about the world. That's still true today, and it will probably be true my whole life. For me, that realization helped me overcome what I think a lot of people fear when they think about leaving academia: "Will I ever be able to love something as much as this?" And just like the ending of a bad relationship, despite my feelings to the contrary at the time, the answer is yes. But more importantly, it doesn't matter even if the answer is "no", because from what you describe, it doesn't matter how much you love academia, academia does not love you back.
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lcrq4z
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askacademia_train
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Why did I pursue a PhD if it has not led to any opportunities? I’m feeling pretty down at the moment. I’ve been applying to TT jobs for a few years and have gotten no luck. I received my PhD from an average state school in 2015 and have had two relatively fruitful postdocs the last 5 years. I’ve published 10 papers in mid-tier journals. Yet it’s all been for nothing. I can’t get a job for the life of me. I’ve applied to probably almost 100 professor jobs with no success whatsoever. 4 year R1 schools, SLACs, and community colleges all have rejected me. I’m willing to relocate anywhere in the country. There’s too few jobs and I just don’t cut. I’m almost 35 now with a salary that an undergrad straight out of college wouldn’t be thrilled with. And I’ve busting my ass for more than a decade for pretty much nothing. No upside, no new or exciting opportunities, nothing. It sucks. I would have been better off teaching high school instead of trying in to break into higher ed. I’ve learned the hard way that the PhD pays in prestige, but you can’t eat prestige. Why did I do this to myself? Any one else feel this way?
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gm1rr1w
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gm1r4t5
| 1,612,479,840 | 1,612,479,561 | 335 | 21 |
Sorry to hear this. As someone who nope-d out of academia pretty much after defending, I have mixed feelings about this, but they're mostly positive. There's a part of me that wishes that academia was what I dreamt it was, and a part of me that wishes I had succeeded, despite it being not what I had hoped. But I don't regret anything. I went to grad school because I loved science - not for the money (lol), or the prestige, but because I loved it as a way of acquiring knowledge and learning about the world. That's still true today, and it will probably be true my whole life. For me, that realization helped me overcome what I think a lot of people fear when they think about leaving academia: "Will I ever be able to love something as much as this?" And just like the ending of a bad relationship, despite my feelings to the contrary at the time, the answer is yes. But more importantly, it doesn't matter even if the answer is "no", because from what you describe, it doesn't matter how much you love academia, academia does not love you back.
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I do. I did have some good things happen but I am quite disappointed. It's not you, it's the system. You have to be at the right place on the right time. If you feel like staying in academia, take the admin route. Working in admin is more secure, gets you on track and later on you can move to the research side. Thee is no point in trying to get a goodjob in academia, the generations before us have occupied those positions and won't let go their good salary and pension.
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lcrq4z
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askacademia_train
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Why did I pursue a PhD if it has not led to any opportunities? I’m feeling pretty down at the moment. I’ve been applying to TT jobs for a few years and have gotten no luck. I received my PhD from an average state school in 2015 and have had two relatively fruitful postdocs the last 5 years. I’ve published 10 papers in mid-tier journals. Yet it’s all been for nothing. I can’t get a job for the life of me. I’ve applied to probably almost 100 professor jobs with no success whatsoever. 4 year R1 schools, SLACs, and community colleges all have rejected me. I’m willing to relocate anywhere in the country. There’s too few jobs and I just don’t cut. I’m almost 35 now with a salary that an undergrad straight out of college wouldn’t be thrilled with. And I’ve busting my ass for more than a decade for pretty much nothing. No upside, no new or exciting opportunities, nothing. It sucks. I would have been better off teaching high school instead of trying in to break into higher ed. I’ve learned the hard way that the PhD pays in prestige, but you can’t eat prestige. Why did I do this to myself? Any one else feel this way?
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gm1nitv
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gm1owlw
| 1,612,477,961 | 1,612,478,569 | 20 | 157 |
What is it in? Can you go into industry?
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I can relate. I found a decent position, but I've always kept my eye an the market and applied to the more "dream" schools since I've graduated. I only had one finalist interview at a "fancy" school. As usual, someone better connected than me with more pubs got the position. It's really rough out there. I can really relate to what your saying. My PhD experience was traumatic, and my advisor committed suicide when I was writing. I was almost booted from my program because the other major professor didn't like my topic. I was able to graduate super fast, but I think maybe only recently can I honestly say that it was worth getting the degree. Once of the things that I've had to do is branch out a bit into other areas of interest, and be flexible with the work that I do. Don't box yourself in to the tenure track only dream that gets sold to us. It's just not possible for most of us. Focus instead on what you can do creatively, and how you can make a living at the same time.
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lcrq4z
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askacademia_train
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Why did I pursue a PhD if it has not led to any opportunities? I’m feeling pretty down at the moment. I’ve been applying to TT jobs for a few years and have gotten no luck. I received my PhD from an average state school in 2015 and have had two relatively fruitful postdocs the last 5 years. I’ve published 10 papers in mid-tier journals. Yet it’s all been for nothing. I can’t get a job for the life of me. I’ve applied to probably almost 100 professor jobs with no success whatsoever. 4 year R1 schools, SLACs, and community colleges all have rejected me. I’m willing to relocate anywhere in the country. There’s too few jobs and I just don’t cut. I’m almost 35 now with a salary that an undergrad straight out of college wouldn’t be thrilled with. And I’ve busting my ass for more than a decade for pretty much nothing. No upside, no new or exciting opportunities, nothing. It sucks. I would have been better off teaching high school instead of trying in to break into higher ed. I’ve learned the hard way that the PhD pays in prestige, but you can’t eat prestige. Why did I do this to myself? Any one else feel this way?
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gm1tdil
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gm1yyts
| 1,612,480,577 | 1,612,483,159 | 35 | 83 |
This question is for OP and anybody who has completed a PhD program. What did/does your program do in regards to helping with job placement, making connections, etc.? I'm asking because several of the programs I'm looking at boast about high job placement, particularly in academia, post-PhD program. ... If it matters I have my MBA, and I'm looking at PhD in Business programs.
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1. Go apply for industry jobs 2. Get an entry level job 3. Be happy when you see your first pay check that's double the money for less work
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lcrq4z
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askacademia_train
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Why did I pursue a PhD if it has not led to any opportunities? I’m feeling pretty down at the moment. I’ve been applying to TT jobs for a few years and have gotten no luck. I received my PhD from an average state school in 2015 and have had two relatively fruitful postdocs the last 5 years. I’ve published 10 papers in mid-tier journals. Yet it’s all been for nothing. I can’t get a job for the life of me. I’ve applied to probably almost 100 professor jobs with no success whatsoever. 4 year R1 schools, SLACs, and community colleges all have rejected me. I’m willing to relocate anywhere in the country. There’s too few jobs and I just don’t cut. I’m almost 35 now with a salary that an undergrad straight out of college wouldn’t be thrilled with. And I’ve busting my ass for more than a decade for pretty much nothing. No upside, no new or exciting opportunities, nothing. It sucks. I would have been better off teaching high school instead of trying in to break into higher ed. I’ve learned the hard way that the PhD pays in prestige, but you can’t eat prestige. Why did I do this to myself? Any one else feel this way?
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gm1nitv
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gm1yyts
| 1,612,477,961 | 1,612,483,159 | 20 | 83 |
What is it in? Can you go into industry?
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1. Go apply for industry jobs 2. Get an entry level job 3. Be happy when you see your first pay check that's double the money for less work
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lcrq4z
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askacademia_train
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Why did I pursue a PhD if it has not led to any opportunities? I’m feeling pretty down at the moment. I’ve been applying to TT jobs for a few years and have gotten no luck. I received my PhD from an average state school in 2015 and have had two relatively fruitful postdocs the last 5 years. I’ve published 10 papers in mid-tier journals. Yet it’s all been for nothing. I can’t get a job for the life of me. I’ve applied to probably almost 100 professor jobs with no success whatsoever. 4 year R1 schools, SLACs, and community colleges all have rejected me. I’m willing to relocate anywhere in the country. There’s too few jobs and I just don’t cut. I’m almost 35 now with a salary that an undergrad straight out of college wouldn’t be thrilled with. And I’ve busting my ass for more than a decade for pretty much nothing. No upside, no new or exciting opportunities, nothing. It sucks. I would have been better off teaching high school instead of trying in to break into higher ed. I’ve learned the hard way that the PhD pays in prestige, but you can’t eat prestige. Why did I do this to myself? Any one else feel this way?
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gm1r4t5
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gm1yyts
| 1,612,479,561 | 1,612,483,159 | 21 | 83 |
I do. I did have some good things happen but I am quite disappointed. It's not you, it's the system. You have to be at the right place on the right time. If you feel like staying in academia, take the admin route. Working in admin is more secure, gets you on track and later on you can move to the research side. Thee is no point in trying to get a goodjob in academia, the generations before us have occupied those positions and won't let go their good salary and pension.
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1. Go apply for industry jobs 2. Get an entry level job 3. Be happy when you see your first pay check that's double the money for less work
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lcrq4z
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askacademia_train
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Why did I pursue a PhD if it has not led to any opportunities? I’m feeling pretty down at the moment. I’ve been applying to TT jobs for a few years and have gotten no luck. I received my PhD from an average state school in 2015 and have had two relatively fruitful postdocs the last 5 years. I’ve published 10 papers in mid-tier journals. Yet it’s all been for nothing. I can’t get a job for the life of me. I’ve applied to probably almost 100 professor jobs with no success whatsoever. 4 year R1 schools, SLACs, and community colleges all have rejected me. I’m willing to relocate anywhere in the country. There’s too few jobs and I just don’t cut. I’m almost 35 now with a salary that an undergrad straight out of college wouldn’t be thrilled with. And I’ve busting my ass for more than a decade for pretty much nothing. No upside, no new or exciting opportunities, nothing. It sucks. I would have been better off teaching high school instead of trying in to break into higher ed. I’ve learned the hard way that the PhD pays in prestige, but you can’t eat prestige. Why did I do this to myself? Any one else feel this way?
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gm1xpid
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gm1yyts
| 1,612,482,576 | 1,612,483,159 | 14 | 83 |
Surely you must have some teaching or research skills of some sort? Or did you go down the path in such a way as to avoid teaching at all costs? I know some who did this - one coworker in particular treated his TA work like a joke and his students rated him with 1's and 2's on RateMyProfessor. Regardless, setting aside community college, there's also high school. I know that many people sneer at it, but personally I hate the attitude that "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach." We've all had good teachers and terrible ones. Being one is the good ones is an accomplishment, whatever the level. But of course, a degree isn't just about teaching, and usually trains many skills. Perhaps you learned some coding or technical writing? It may just be that you're looking at the wrong jobs, or that your expectations are too high. Technical writing ability is valued in research and business alike. Coding and numerical skills, whether in python or excel or something else, can also be valuable. I'm sure you have some skills you can market. You may just have to go about it in a different way. Finally, it's also tough out there right now. The economy is sagging, partly due to covid. People are struggling. Don't go to hard on yourself.
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1. Go apply for industry jobs 2. Get an entry level job 3. Be happy when you see your first pay check that's double the money for less work
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lcrq4z
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askacademia_train
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Why did I pursue a PhD if it has not led to any opportunities? I’m feeling pretty down at the moment. I’ve been applying to TT jobs for a few years and have gotten no luck. I received my PhD from an average state school in 2015 and have had two relatively fruitful postdocs the last 5 years. I’ve published 10 papers in mid-tier journals. Yet it’s all been for nothing. I can’t get a job for the life of me. I’ve applied to probably almost 100 professor jobs with no success whatsoever. 4 year R1 schools, SLACs, and community colleges all have rejected me. I’m willing to relocate anywhere in the country. There’s too few jobs and I just don’t cut. I’m almost 35 now with a salary that an undergrad straight out of college wouldn’t be thrilled with. And I’ve busting my ass for more than a decade for pretty much nothing. No upside, no new or exciting opportunities, nothing. It sucks. I would have been better off teaching high school instead of trying in to break into higher ed. I’ve learned the hard way that the PhD pays in prestige, but you can’t eat prestige. Why did I do this to myself? Any one else feel this way?
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gm226d0
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gm1tdil
| 1,612,484,670 | 1,612,480,577 | 56 | 35 |
OP, please in no way take this as me being condescending in anyway. I just want to pass on what I have learned by *just* squeeking by into a TT position. 10 papers (unless they are all first author papers) is not enough to get into a TT position these days. I want to be clear that I think that paper count is an absolutely stupid metric to put the majority of a hiring decision on. If we're all being honest, number of papers is almost entirely correlated with how well funded and connected your group is, which of course you as an individual have very little control over. I fully acknowledge that I was extremely fortunate to be in a high output group and I know this is primarily the reason I have gotten this position. I just feel it's better to shoot you straight now and get an honest take. With all this said, I still fantasize about industry positions with their higher salary and normal work hours, so the grass is always greener. Edit: my context is through Chemistry. So apply the appropriate amount of salt
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This question is for OP and anybody who has completed a PhD program. What did/does your program do in regards to helping with job placement, making connections, etc.? I'm asking because several of the programs I'm looking at boast about high job placement, particularly in academia, post-PhD program. ... If it matters I have my MBA, and I'm looking at PhD in Business programs.
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lcrq4z
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askacademia_train
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Why did I pursue a PhD if it has not led to any opportunities? I’m feeling pretty down at the moment. I’ve been applying to TT jobs for a few years and have gotten no luck. I received my PhD from an average state school in 2015 and have had two relatively fruitful postdocs the last 5 years. I’ve published 10 papers in mid-tier journals. Yet it’s all been for nothing. I can’t get a job for the life of me. I’ve applied to probably almost 100 professor jobs with no success whatsoever. 4 year R1 schools, SLACs, and community colleges all have rejected me. I’m willing to relocate anywhere in the country. There’s too few jobs and I just don’t cut. I’m almost 35 now with a salary that an undergrad straight out of college wouldn’t be thrilled with. And I’ve busting my ass for more than a decade for pretty much nothing. No upside, no new or exciting opportunities, nothing. It sucks. I would have been better off teaching high school instead of trying in to break into higher ed. I’ve learned the hard way that the PhD pays in prestige, but you can’t eat prestige. Why did I do this to myself? Any one else feel this way?
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gm21r6d
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gm226d0
| 1,612,484,473 | 1,612,484,670 | 26 | 56 |
If you want money, academia is the wrong place. You'll have much more financial success going corporate, but less freedom on what you want to do. It's hard, but you've just gotta weigh up on what you want more and if you want seriously higher pay that corporate is the way to go
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OP, please in no way take this as me being condescending in anyway. I just want to pass on what I have learned by *just* squeeking by into a TT position. 10 papers (unless they are all first author papers) is not enough to get into a TT position these days. I want to be clear that I think that paper count is an absolutely stupid metric to put the majority of a hiring decision on. If we're all being honest, number of papers is almost entirely correlated with how well funded and connected your group is, which of course you as an individual have very little control over. I fully acknowledge that I was extremely fortunate to be in a high output group and I know this is primarily the reason I have gotten this position. I just feel it's better to shoot you straight now and get an honest take. With all this said, I still fantasize about industry positions with their higher salary and normal work hours, so the grass is always greener. Edit: my context is through Chemistry. So apply the appropriate amount of salt
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lcrq4z
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askacademia_train
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Why did I pursue a PhD if it has not led to any opportunities? I’m feeling pretty down at the moment. I’ve been applying to TT jobs for a few years and have gotten no luck. I received my PhD from an average state school in 2015 and have had two relatively fruitful postdocs the last 5 years. I’ve published 10 papers in mid-tier journals. Yet it’s all been for nothing. I can’t get a job for the life of me. I’ve applied to probably almost 100 professor jobs with no success whatsoever. 4 year R1 schools, SLACs, and community colleges all have rejected me. I’m willing to relocate anywhere in the country. There’s too few jobs and I just don’t cut. I’m almost 35 now with a salary that an undergrad straight out of college wouldn’t be thrilled with. And I’ve busting my ass for more than a decade for pretty much nothing. No upside, no new or exciting opportunities, nothing. It sucks. I would have been better off teaching high school instead of trying in to break into higher ed. I’ve learned the hard way that the PhD pays in prestige, but you can’t eat prestige. Why did I do this to myself? Any one else feel this way?
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gm226d0
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gm1nitv
| 1,612,484,670 | 1,612,477,961 | 56 | 20 |
OP, please in no way take this as me being condescending in anyway. I just want to pass on what I have learned by *just* squeeking by into a TT position. 10 papers (unless they are all first author papers) is not enough to get into a TT position these days. I want to be clear that I think that paper count is an absolutely stupid metric to put the majority of a hiring decision on. If we're all being honest, number of papers is almost entirely correlated with how well funded and connected your group is, which of course you as an individual have very little control over. I fully acknowledge that I was extremely fortunate to be in a high output group and I know this is primarily the reason I have gotten this position. I just feel it's better to shoot you straight now and get an honest take. With all this said, I still fantasize about industry positions with their higher salary and normal work hours, so the grass is always greener. Edit: my context is through Chemistry. So apply the appropriate amount of salt
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What is it in? Can you go into industry?
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lcrq4z
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askacademia_train
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Why did I pursue a PhD if it has not led to any opportunities? I’m feeling pretty down at the moment. I’ve been applying to TT jobs for a few years and have gotten no luck. I received my PhD from an average state school in 2015 and have had two relatively fruitful postdocs the last 5 years. I’ve published 10 papers in mid-tier journals. Yet it’s all been for nothing. I can’t get a job for the life of me. I’ve applied to probably almost 100 professor jobs with no success whatsoever. 4 year R1 schools, SLACs, and community colleges all have rejected me. I’m willing to relocate anywhere in the country. There’s too few jobs and I just don’t cut. I’m almost 35 now with a salary that an undergrad straight out of college wouldn’t be thrilled with. And I’ve busting my ass for more than a decade for pretty much nothing. No upside, no new or exciting opportunities, nothing. It sucks. I would have been better off teaching high school instead of trying in to break into higher ed. I’ve learned the hard way that the PhD pays in prestige, but you can’t eat prestige. Why did I do this to myself? Any one else feel this way?
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gm226d0
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gm1r4t5
| 1,612,484,670 | 1,612,479,561 | 56 | 21 |
OP, please in no way take this as me being condescending in anyway. I just want to pass on what I have learned by *just* squeeking by into a TT position. 10 papers (unless they are all first author papers) is not enough to get into a TT position these days. I want to be clear that I think that paper count is an absolutely stupid metric to put the majority of a hiring decision on. If we're all being honest, number of papers is almost entirely correlated with how well funded and connected your group is, which of course you as an individual have very little control over. I fully acknowledge that I was extremely fortunate to be in a high output group and I know this is primarily the reason I have gotten this position. I just feel it's better to shoot you straight now and get an honest take. With all this said, I still fantasize about industry positions with their higher salary and normal work hours, so the grass is always greener. Edit: my context is through Chemistry. So apply the appropriate amount of salt
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I do. I did have some good things happen but I am quite disappointed. It's not you, it's the system. You have to be at the right place on the right time. If you feel like staying in academia, take the admin route. Working in admin is more secure, gets you on track and later on you can move to the research side. Thee is no point in trying to get a goodjob in academia, the generations before us have occupied those positions and won't let go their good salary and pension.
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lcrq4z
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askacademia_train
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Why did I pursue a PhD if it has not led to any opportunities? I’m feeling pretty down at the moment. I’ve been applying to TT jobs for a few years and have gotten no luck. I received my PhD from an average state school in 2015 and have had two relatively fruitful postdocs the last 5 years. I’ve published 10 papers in mid-tier journals. Yet it’s all been for nothing. I can’t get a job for the life of me. I’ve applied to probably almost 100 professor jobs with no success whatsoever. 4 year R1 schools, SLACs, and community colleges all have rejected me. I’m willing to relocate anywhere in the country. There’s too few jobs and I just don’t cut. I’m almost 35 now with a salary that an undergrad straight out of college wouldn’t be thrilled with. And I’ve busting my ass for more than a decade for pretty much nothing. No upside, no new or exciting opportunities, nothing. It sucks. I would have been better off teaching high school instead of trying in to break into higher ed. I’ve learned the hard way that the PhD pays in prestige, but you can’t eat prestige. Why did I do this to myself? Any one else feel this way?
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gm1xpid
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gm226d0
| 1,612,482,576 | 1,612,484,670 | 14 | 56 |
Surely you must have some teaching or research skills of some sort? Or did you go down the path in such a way as to avoid teaching at all costs? I know some who did this - one coworker in particular treated his TA work like a joke and his students rated him with 1's and 2's on RateMyProfessor. Regardless, setting aside community college, there's also high school. I know that many people sneer at it, but personally I hate the attitude that "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach." We've all had good teachers and terrible ones. Being one is the good ones is an accomplishment, whatever the level. But of course, a degree isn't just about teaching, and usually trains many skills. Perhaps you learned some coding or technical writing? It may just be that you're looking at the wrong jobs, or that your expectations are too high. Technical writing ability is valued in research and business alike. Coding and numerical skills, whether in python or excel or something else, can also be valuable. I'm sure you have some skills you can market. You may just have to go about it in a different way. Finally, it's also tough out there right now. The economy is sagging, partly due to covid. People are struggling. Don't go to hard on yourself.
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OP, please in no way take this as me being condescending in anyway. I just want to pass on what I have learned by *just* squeeking by into a TT position. 10 papers (unless they are all first author papers) is not enough to get into a TT position these days. I want to be clear that I think that paper count is an absolutely stupid metric to put the majority of a hiring decision on. If we're all being honest, number of papers is almost entirely correlated with how well funded and connected your group is, which of course you as an individual have very little control over. I fully acknowledge that I was extremely fortunate to be in a high output group and I know this is primarily the reason I have gotten this position. I just feel it's better to shoot you straight now and get an honest take. With all this said, I still fantasize about industry positions with their higher salary and normal work hours, so the grass is always greener. Edit: my context is through Chemistry. So apply the appropriate amount of salt
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lcrq4z
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askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Why did I pursue a PhD if it has not led to any opportunities? I’m feeling pretty down at the moment. I’ve been applying to TT jobs for a few years and have gotten no luck. I received my PhD from an average state school in 2015 and have had two relatively fruitful postdocs the last 5 years. I’ve published 10 papers in mid-tier journals. Yet it’s all been for nothing. I can’t get a job for the life of me. I’ve applied to probably almost 100 professor jobs with no success whatsoever. 4 year R1 schools, SLACs, and community colleges all have rejected me. I’m willing to relocate anywhere in the country. There’s too few jobs and I just don’t cut. I’m almost 35 now with a salary that an undergrad straight out of college wouldn’t be thrilled with. And I’ve busting my ass for more than a decade for pretty much nothing. No upside, no new or exciting opportunities, nothing. It sucks. I would have been better off teaching high school instead of trying in to break into higher ed. I’ve learned the hard way that the PhD pays in prestige, but you can’t eat prestige. Why did I do this to myself? Any one else feel this way?
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gm1tdil
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gm236ct
| 1,612,480,577 | 1,612,485,143 | 35 | 37 |
This question is for OP and anybody who has completed a PhD program. What did/does your program do in regards to helping with job placement, making connections, etc.? I'm asking because several of the programs I'm looking at boast about high job placement, particularly in academia, post-PhD program. ... If it matters I have my MBA, and I'm looking at PhD in Business programs.
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A friend of mine used to say that we'd committed financial suicide by getting PhDs. For whatever it's worth, you're not at all alone in being disappointed by what your graduate studies led to.
| 0 | 4,566 | 1.057143 | ||
lcrq4z
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askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Why did I pursue a PhD if it has not led to any opportunities? I’m feeling pretty down at the moment. I’ve been applying to TT jobs for a few years and have gotten no luck. I received my PhD from an average state school in 2015 and have had two relatively fruitful postdocs the last 5 years. I’ve published 10 papers in mid-tier journals. Yet it’s all been for nothing. I can’t get a job for the life of me. I’ve applied to probably almost 100 professor jobs with no success whatsoever. 4 year R1 schools, SLACs, and community colleges all have rejected me. I’m willing to relocate anywhere in the country. There’s too few jobs and I just don’t cut. I’m almost 35 now with a salary that an undergrad straight out of college wouldn’t be thrilled with. And I’ve busting my ass for more than a decade for pretty much nothing. No upside, no new or exciting opportunities, nothing. It sucks. I would have been better off teaching high school instead of trying in to break into higher ed. I’ve learned the hard way that the PhD pays in prestige, but you can’t eat prestige. Why did I do this to myself? Any one else feel this way?
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gm1tdil
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gm1nitv
| 1,612,480,577 | 1,612,477,961 | 35 | 20 |
This question is for OP and anybody who has completed a PhD program. What did/does your program do in regards to helping with job placement, making connections, etc.? I'm asking because several of the programs I'm looking at boast about high job placement, particularly in academia, post-PhD program. ... If it matters I have my MBA, and I'm looking at PhD in Business programs.
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What is it in? Can you go into industry?
| 1 | 2,616 | 1.75 | ||
lcrq4z
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askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Why did I pursue a PhD if it has not led to any opportunities? I’m feeling pretty down at the moment. I’ve been applying to TT jobs for a few years and have gotten no luck. I received my PhD from an average state school in 2015 and have had two relatively fruitful postdocs the last 5 years. I’ve published 10 papers in mid-tier journals. Yet it’s all been for nothing. I can’t get a job for the life of me. I’ve applied to probably almost 100 professor jobs with no success whatsoever. 4 year R1 schools, SLACs, and community colleges all have rejected me. I’m willing to relocate anywhere in the country. There’s too few jobs and I just don’t cut. I’m almost 35 now with a salary that an undergrad straight out of college wouldn’t be thrilled with. And I’ve busting my ass for more than a decade for pretty much nothing. No upside, no new or exciting opportunities, nothing. It sucks. I would have been better off teaching high school instead of trying in to break into higher ed. I’ve learned the hard way that the PhD pays in prestige, but you can’t eat prestige. Why did I do this to myself? Any one else feel this way?
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gm1r4t5
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gm1tdil
| 1,612,479,561 | 1,612,480,577 | 21 | 35 |
I do. I did have some good things happen but I am quite disappointed. It's not you, it's the system. You have to be at the right place on the right time. If you feel like staying in academia, take the admin route. Working in admin is more secure, gets you on track and later on you can move to the research side. Thee is no point in trying to get a goodjob in academia, the generations before us have occupied those positions and won't let go their good salary and pension.
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This question is for OP and anybody who has completed a PhD program. What did/does your program do in regards to helping with job placement, making connections, etc.? I'm asking because several of the programs I'm looking at boast about high job placement, particularly in academia, post-PhD program. ... If it matters I have my MBA, and I'm looking at PhD in Business programs.
| 0 | 1,016 | 1.666667 | ||
lcrq4z
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askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Why did I pursue a PhD if it has not led to any opportunities? I’m feeling pretty down at the moment. I’ve been applying to TT jobs for a few years and have gotten no luck. I received my PhD from an average state school in 2015 and have had two relatively fruitful postdocs the last 5 years. I’ve published 10 papers in mid-tier journals. Yet it’s all been for nothing. I can’t get a job for the life of me. I’ve applied to probably almost 100 professor jobs with no success whatsoever. 4 year R1 schools, SLACs, and community colleges all have rejected me. I’m willing to relocate anywhere in the country. There’s too few jobs and I just don’t cut. I’m almost 35 now with a salary that an undergrad straight out of college wouldn’t be thrilled with. And I’ve busting my ass for more than a decade for pretty much nothing. No upside, no new or exciting opportunities, nothing. It sucks. I would have been better off teaching high school instead of trying in to break into higher ed. I’ve learned the hard way that the PhD pays in prestige, but you can’t eat prestige. Why did I do this to myself? Any one else feel this way?
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gm21r6d
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gm236ct
| 1,612,484,473 | 1,612,485,143 | 26 | 37 |
If you want money, academia is the wrong place. You'll have much more financial success going corporate, but less freedom on what you want to do. It's hard, but you've just gotta weigh up on what you want more and if you want seriously higher pay that corporate is the way to go
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A friend of mine used to say that we'd committed financial suicide by getting PhDs. For whatever it's worth, you're not at all alone in being disappointed by what your graduate studies led to.
| 0 | 670 | 1.423077 | ||
lcrq4z
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askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Why did I pursue a PhD if it has not led to any opportunities? I’m feeling pretty down at the moment. I’ve been applying to TT jobs for a few years and have gotten no luck. I received my PhD from an average state school in 2015 and have had two relatively fruitful postdocs the last 5 years. I’ve published 10 papers in mid-tier journals. Yet it’s all been for nothing. I can’t get a job for the life of me. I’ve applied to probably almost 100 professor jobs with no success whatsoever. 4 year R1 schools, SLACs, and community colleges all have rejected me. I’m willing to relocate anywhere in the country. There’s too few jobs and I just don’t cut. I’m almost 35 now with a salary that an undergrad straight out of college wouldn’t be thrilled with. And I’ve busting my ass for more than a decade for pretty much nothing. No upside, no new or exciting opportunities, nothing. It sucks. I would have been better off teaching high school instead of trying in to break into higher ed. I’ve learned the hard way that the PhD pays in prestige, but you can’t eat prestige. Why did I do this to myself? Any one else feel this way?
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gm1nitv
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gm236ct
| 1,612,477,961 | 1,612,485,143 | 20 | 37 |
What is it in? Can you go into industry?
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A friend of mine used to say that we'd committed financial suicide by getting PhDs. For whatever it's worth, you're not at all alone in being disappointed by what your graduate studies led to.
| 0 | 7,182 | 1.85 | ||
lcrq4z
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askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Why did I pursue a PhD if it has not led to any opportunities? I’m feeling pretty down at the moment. I’ve been applying to TT jobs for a few years and have gotten no luck. I received my PhD from an average state school in 2015 and have had two relatively fruitful postdocs the last 5 years. I’ve published 10 papers in mid-tier journals. Yet it’s all been for nothing. I can’t get a job for the life of me. I’ve applied to probably almost 100 professor jobs with no success whatsoever. 4 year R1 schools, SLACs, and community colleges all have rejected me. I’m willing to relocate anywhere in the country. There’s too few jobs and I just don’t cut. I’m almost 35 now with a salary that an undergrad straight out of college wouldn’t be thrilled with. And I’ve busting my ass for more than a decade for pretty much nothing. No upside, no new or exciting opportunities, nothing. It sucks. I would have been better off teaching high school instead of trying in to break into higher ed. I’ve learned the hard way that the PhD pays in prestige, but you can’t eat prestige. Why did I do this to myself? Any one else feel this way?
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gm1r4t5
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gm236ct
| 1,612,479,561 | 1,612,485,143 | 21 | 37 |
I do. I did have some good things happen but I am quite disappointed. It's not you, it's the system. You have to be at the right place on the right time. If you feel like staying in academia, take the admin route. Working in admin is more secure, gets you on track and later on you can move to the research side. Thee is no point in trying to get a goodjob in academia, the generations before us have occupied those positions and won't let go their good salary and pension.
|
A friend of mine used to say that we'd committed financial suicide by getting PhDs. For whatever it's worth, you're not at all alone in being disappointed by what your graduate studies led to.
| 0 | 5,582 | 1.761905 | ||
lcrq4z
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askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Why did I pursue a PhD if it has not led to any opportunities? I’m feeling pretty down at the moment. I’ve been applying to TT jobs for a few years and have gotten no luck. I received my PhD from an average state school in 2015 and have had two relatively fruitful postdocs the last 5 years. I’ve published 10 papers in mid-tier journals. Yet it’s all been for nothing. I can’t get a job for the life of me. I’ve applied to probably almost 100 professor jobs with no success whatsoever. 4 year R1 schools, SLACs, and community colleges all have rejected me. I’m willing to relocate anywhere in the country. There’s too few jobs and I just don’t cut. I’m almost 35 now with a salary that an undergrad straight out of college wouldn’t be thrilled with. And I’ve busting my ass for more than a decade for pretty much nothing. No upside, no new or exciting opportunities, nothing. It sucks. I would have been better off teaching high school instead of trying in to break into higher ed. I’ve learned the hard way that the PhD pays in prestige, but you can’t eat prestige. Why did I do this to myself? Any one else feel this way?
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gm1xpid
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gm236ct
| 1,612,482,576 | 1,612,485,143 | 14 | 37 |
Surely you must have some teaching or research skills of some sort? Or did you go down the path in such a way as to avoid teaching at all costs? I know some who did this - one coworker in particular treated his TA work like a joke and his students rated him with 1's and 2's on RateMyProfessor. Regardless, setting aside community college, there's also high school. I know that many people sneer at it, but personally I hate the attitude that "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach." We've all had good teachers and terrible ones. Being one is the good ones is an accomplishment, whatever the level. But of course, a degree isn't just about teaching, and usually trains many skills. Perhaps you learned some coding or technical writing? It may just be that you're looking at the wrong jobs, or that your expectations are too high. Technical writing ability is valued in research and business alike. Coding and numerical skills, whether in python or excel or something else, can also be valuable. I'm sure you have some skills you can market. You may just have to go about it in a different way. Finally, it's also tough out there right now. The economy is sagging, partly due to covid. People are struggling. Don't go to hard on yourself.
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A friend of mine used to say that we'd committed financial suicide by getting PhDs. For whatever it's worth, you're not at all alone in being disappointed by what your graduate studies led to.
| 0 | 2,567 | 2.642857 | ||
lcrq4z
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askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Why did I pursue a PhD if it has not led to any opportunities? I’m feeling pretty down at the moment. I’ve been applying to TT jobs for a few years and have gotten no luck. I received my PhD from an average state school in 2015 and have had two relatively fruitful postdocs the last 5 years. I’ve published 10 papers in mid-tier journals. Yet it’s all been for nothing. I can’t get a job for the life of me. I’ve applied to probably almost 100 professor jobs with no success whatsoever. 4 year R1 schools, SLACs, and community colleges all have rejected me. I’m willing to relocate anywhere in the country. There’s too few jobs and I just don’t cut. I’m almost 35 now with a salary that an undergrad straight out of college wouldn’t be thrilled with. And I’ve busting my ass for more than a decade for pretty much nothing. No upside, no new or exciting opportunities, nothing. It sucks. I would have been better off teaching high school instead of trying in to break into higher ed. I’ve learned the hard way that the PhD pays in prestige, but you can’t eat prestige. Why did I do this to myself? Any one else feel this way?
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gm23bom
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gm21r6d
| 1,612,485,214 | 1,612,484,473 | 29 | 26 |
What you are describing is the result of the expanding federal granting program in STEM field that support doctoral student tuition and multiple post docs all overseen by a single TT professor. This was a cheap way to get the research done by talented but underpaid people. Since the TT professor is not retiring and universities are not expanding their TT faculty there are no jobs to absorb these talented people. The only thing to do is to find another place to use your talents and love of science. Try drug companies, journal editing and science publishing, science publications for the general public, start thinking out of the box. A former doctoral student of mine became a nurse. With your science background you could get your degree in about a year. Certain nursing fields, like nurse anesthetist, can make $200K+. There are Physicians Assistants programs. You may have to go back to school but there will be a job.
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If you want money, academia is the wrong place. You'll have much more financial success going corporate, but less freedom on what you want to do. It's hard, but you've just gotta weigh up on what you want more and if you want seriously higher pay that corporate is the way to go
| 1 | 741 | 1.115385 | ||
lcrq4z
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askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Why did I pursue a PhD if it has not led to any opportunities? I’m feeling pretty down at the moment. I’ve been applying to TT jobs for a few years and have gotten no luck. I received my PhD from an average state school in 2015 and have had two relatively fruitful postdocs the last 5 years. I’ve published 10 papers in mid-tier journals. Yet it’s all been for nothing. I can’t get a job for the life of me. I’ve applied to probably almost 100 professor jobs with no success whatsoever. 4 year R1 schools, SLACs, and community colleges all have rejected me. I’m willing to relocate anywhere in the country. There’s too few jobs and I just don’t cut. I’m almost 35 now with a salary that an undergrad straight out of college wouldn’t be thrilled with. And I’ve busting my ass for more than a decade for pretty much nothing. No upside, no new or exciting opportunities, nothing. It sucks. I would have been better off teaching high school instead of trying in to break into higher ed. I’ve learned the hard way that the PhD pays in prestige, but you can’t eat prestige. Why did I do this to myself? Any one else feel this way?
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gm1nitv
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gm23bom
| 1,612,477,961 | 1,612,485,214 | 20 | 29 |
What is it in? Can you go into industry?
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What you are describing is the result of the expanding federal granting program in STEM field that support doctoral student tuition and multiple post docs all overseen by a single TT professor. This was a cheap way to get the research done by talented but underpaid people. Since the TT professor is not retiring and universities are not expanding their TT faculty there are no jobs to absorb these talented people. The only thing to do is to find another place to use your talents and love of science. Try drug companies, journal editing and science publishing, science publications for the general public, start thinking out of the box. A former doctoral student of mine became a nurse. With your science background you could get your degree in about a year. Certain nursing fields, like nurse anesthetist, can make $200K+. There are Physicians Assistants programs. You may have to go back to school but there will be a job.
| 0 | 7,253 | 1.45 | ||
lcrq4z
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askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Why did I pursue a PhD if it has not led to any opportunities? I’m feeling pretty down at the moment. I’ve been applying to TT jobs for a few years and have gotten no luck. I received my PhD from an average state school in 2015 and have had two relatively fruitful postdocs the last 5 years. I’ve published 10 papers in mid-tier journals. Yet it’s all been for nothing. I can’t get a job for the life of me. I’ve applied to probably almost 100 professor jobs with no success whatsoever. 4 year R1 schools, SLACs, and community colleges all have rejected me. I’m willing to relocate anywhere in the country. There’s too few jobs and I just don’t cut. I’m almost 35 now with a salary that an undergrad straight out of college wouldn’t be thrilled with. And I’ve busting my ass for more than a decade for pretty much nothing. No upside, no new or exciting opportunities, nothing. It sucks. I would have been better off teaching high school instead of trying in to break into higher ed. I’ve learned the hard way that the PhD pays in prestige, but you can’t eat prestige. Why did I do this to myself? Any one else feel this way?
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gm23bom
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gm1r4t5
| 1,612,485,214 | 1,612,479,561 | 29 | 21 |
What you are describing is the result of the expanding federal granting program in STEM field that support doctoral student tuition and multiple post docs all overseen by a single TT professor. This was a cheap way to get the research done by talented but underpaid people. Since the TT professor is not retiring and universities are not expanding their TT faculty there are no jobs to absorb these talented people. The only thing to do is to find another place to use your talents and love of science. Try drug companies, journal editing and science publishing, science publications for the general public, start thinking out of the box. A former doctoral student of mine became a nurse. With your science background you could get your degree in about a year. Certain nursing fields, like nurse anesthetist, can make $200K+. There are Physicians Assistants programs. You may have to go back to school but there will be a job.
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I do. I did have some good things happen but I am quite disappointed. It's not you, it's the system. You have to be at the right place on the right time. If you feel like staying in academia, take the admin route. Working in admin is more secure, gets you on track and later on you can move to the research side. Thee is no point in trying to get a goodjob in academia, the generations before us have occupied those positions and won't let go their good salary and pension.
| 1 | 5,653 | 1.380952 | ||
lcrq4z
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askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Why did I pursue a PhD if it has not led to any opportunities? I’m feeling pretty down at the moment. I’ve been applying to TT jobs for a few years and have gotten no luck. I received my PhD from an average state school in 2015 and have had two relatively fruitful postdocs the last 5 years. I’ve published 10 papers in mid-tier journals. Yet it’s all been for nothing. I can’t get a job for the life of me. I’ve applied to probably almost 100 professor jobs with no success whatsoever. 4 year R1 schools, SLACs, and community colleges all have rejected me. I’m willing to relocate anywhere in the country. There’s too few jobs and I just don’t cut. I’m almost 35 now with a salary that an undergrad straight out of college wouldn’t be thrilled with. And I’ve busting my ass for more than a decade for pretty much nothing. No upside, no new or exciting opportunities, nothing. It sucks. I would have been better off teaching high school instead of trying in to break into higher ed. I’ve learned the hard way that the PhD pays in prestige, but you can’t eat prestige. Why did I do this to myself? Any one else feel this way?
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gm1xpid
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gm23bom
| 1,612,482,576 | 1,612,485,214 | 14 | 29 |
Surely you must have some teaching or research skills of some sort? Or did you go down the path in such a way as to avoid teaching at all costs? I know some who did this - one coworker in particular treated his TA work like a joke and his students rated him with 1's and 2's on RateMyProfessor. Regardless, setting aside community college, there's also high school. I know that many people sneer at it, but personally I hate the attitude that "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach." We've all had good teachers and terrible ones. Being one is the good ones is an accomplishment, whatever the level. But of course, a degree isn't just about teaching, and usually trains many skills. Perhaps you learned some coding or technical writing? It may just be that you're looking at the wrong jobs, or that your expectations are too high. Technical writing ability is valued in research and business alike. Coding and numerical skills, whether in python or excel or something else, can also be valuable. I'm sure you have some skills you can market. You may just have to go about it in a different way. Finally, it's also tough out there right now. The economy is sagging, partly due to covid. People are struggling. Don't go to hard on yourself.
|
What you are describing is the result of the expanding federal granting program in STEM field that support doctoral student tuition and multiple post docs all overseen by a single TT professor. This was a cheap way to get the research done by talented but underpaid people. Since the TT professor is not retiring and universities are not expanding their TT faculty there are no jobs to absorb these talented people. The only thing to do is to find another place to use your talents and love of science. Try drug companies, journal editing and science publishing, science publications for the general public, start thinking out of the box. A former doctoral student of mine became a nurse. With your science background you could get your degree in about a year. Certain nursing fields, like nurse anesthetist, can make $200K+. There are Physicians Assistants programs. You may have to go back to school but there will be a job.
| 0 | 2,638 | 2.071429 | ||
lcrq4z
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askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Why did I pursue a PhD if it has not led to any opportunities? I’m feeling pretty down at the moment. I’ve been applying to TT jobs for a few years and have gotten no luck. I received my PhD from an average state school in 2015 and have had two relatively fruitful postdocs the last 5 years. I’ve published 10 papers in mid-tier journals. Yet it’s all been for nothing. I can’t get a job for the life of me. I’ve applied to probably almost 100 professor jobs with no success whatsoever. 4 year R1 schools, SLACs, and community colleges all have rejected me. I’m willing to relocate anywhere in the country. There’s too few jobs and I just don’t cut. I’m almost 35 now with a salary that an undergrad straight out of college wouldn’t be thrilled with. And I’ve busting my ass for more than a decade for pretty much nothing. No upside, no new or exciting opportunities, nothing. It sucks. I would have been better off teaching high school instead of trying in to break into higher ed. I’ve learned the hard way that the PhD pays in prestige, but you can’t eat prestige. Why did I do this to myself? Any one else feel this way?
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gm21r6d
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gm1nitv
| 1,612,484,473 | 1,612,477,961 | 26 | 20 |
If you want money, academia is the wrong place. You'll have much more financial success going corporate, but less freedom on what you want to do. It's hard, but you've just gotta weigh up on what you want more and if you want seriously higher pay that corporate is the way to go
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What is it in? Can you go into industry?
| 1 | 6,512 | 1.3 | ||
lcrq4z
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askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Why did I pursue a PhD if it has not led to any opportunities? I’m feeling pretty down at the moment. I’ve been applying to TT jobs for a few years and have gotten no luck. I received my PhD from an average state school in 2015 and have had two relatively fruitful postdocs the last 5 years. I’ve published 10 papers in mid-tier journals. Yet it’s all been for nothing. I can’t get a job for the life of me. I’ve applied to probably almost 100 professor jobs with no success whatsoever. 4 year R1 schools, SLACs, and community colleges all have rejected me. I’m willing to relocate anywhere in the country. There’s too few jobs and I just don’t cut. I’m almost 35 now with a salary that an undergrad straight out of college wouldn’t be thrilled with. And I’ve busting my ass for more than a decade for pretty much nothing. No upside, no new or exciting opportunities, nothing. It sucks. I would have been better off teaching high school instead of trying in to break into higher ed. I’ve learned the hard way that the PhD pays in prestige, but you can’t eat prestige. Why did I do this to myself? Any one else feel this way?
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gm21r6d
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gm1r4t5
| 1,612,484,473 | 1,612,479,561 | 26 | 21 |
If you want money, academia is the wrong place. You'll have much more financial success going corporate, but less freedom on what you want to do. It's hard, but you've just gotta weigh up on what you want more and if you want seriously higher pay that corporate is the way to go
|
I do. I did have some good things happen but I am quite disappointed. It's not you, it's the system. You have to be at the right place on the right time. If you feel like staying in academia, take the admin route. Working in admin is more secure, gets you on track and later on you can move to the research side. Thee is no point in trying to get a goodjob in academia, the generations before us have occupied those positions and won't let go their good salary and pension.
| 1 | 4,912 | 1.238095 | ||
lcrq4z
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askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Why did I pursue a PhD if it has not led to any opportunities? I’m feeling pretty down at the moment. I’ve been applying to TT jobs for a few years and have gotten no luck. I received my PhD from an average state school in 2015 and have had two relatively fruitful postdocs the last 5 years. I’ve published 10 papers in mid-tier journals. Yet it’s all been for nothing. I can’t get a job for the life of me. I’ve applied to probably almost 100 professor jobs with no success whatsoever. 4 year R1 schools, SLACs, and community colleges all have rejected me. I’m willing to relocate anywhere in the country. There’s too few jobs and I just don’t cut. I’m almost 35 now with a salary that an undergrad straight out of college wouldn’t be thrilled with. And I’ve busting my ass for more than a decade for pretty much nothing. No upside, no new or exciting opportunities, nothing. It sucks. I would have been better off teaching high school instead of trying in to break into higher ed. I’ve learned the hard way that the PhD pays in prestige, but you can’t eat prestige. Why did I do this to myself? Any one else feel this way?
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gm1xpid
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gm21r6d
| 1,612,482,576 | 1,612,484,473 | 14 | 26 |
Surely you must have some teaching or research skills of some sort? Or did you go down the path in such a way as to avoid teaching at all costs? I know some who did this - one coworker in particular treated his TA work like a joke and his students rated him with 1's and 2's on RateMyProfessor. Regardless, setting aside community college, there's also high school. I know that many people sneer at it, but personally I hate the attitude that "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach." We've all had good teachers and terrible ones. Being one is the good ones is an accomplishment, whatever the level. But of course, a degree isn't just about teaching, and usually trains many skills. Perhaps you learned some coding or technical writing? It may just be that you're looking at the wrong jobs, or that your expectations are too high. Technical writing ability is valued in research and business alike. Coding and numerical skills, whether in python or excel or something else, can also be valuable. I'm sure you have some skills you can market. You may just have to go about it in a different way. Finally, it's also tough out there right now. The economy is sagging, partly due to covid. People are struggling. Don't go to hard on yourself.
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If you want money, academia is the wrong place. You'll have much more financial success going corporate, but less freedom on what you want to do. It's hard, but you've just gotta weigh up on what you want more and if you want seriously higher pay that corporate is the way to go
| 0 | 1,897 | 1.857143 | ||
lcrq4z
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askacademia_train
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Why did I pursue a PhD if it has not led to any opportunities? I’m feeling pretty down at the moment. I’ve been applying to TT jobs for a few years and have gotten no luck. I received my PhD from an average state school in 2015 and have had two relatively fruitful postdocs the last 5 years. I’ve published 10 papers in mid-tier journals. Yet it’s all been for nothing. I can’t get a job for the life of me. I’ve applied to probably almost 100 professor jobs with no success whatsoever. 4 year R1 schools, SLACs, and community colleges all have rejected me. I’m willing to relocate anywhere in the country. There’s too few jobs and I just don’t cut. I’m almost 35 now with a salary that an undergrad straight out of college wouldn’t be thrilled with. And I’ve busting my ass for more than a decade for pretty much nothing. No upside, no new or exciting opportunities, nothing. It sucks. I would have been better off teaching high school instead of trying in to break into higher ed. I’ve learned the hard way that the PhD pays in prestige, but you can’t eat prestige. Why did I do this to myself? Any one else feel this way?
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gm1nitv
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gm1r4t5
| 1,612,477,961 | 1,612,479,561 | 20 | 21 |
What is it in? Can you go into industry?
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I do. I did have some good things happen but I am quite disappointed. It's not you, it's the system. You have to be at the right place on the right time. If you feel like staying in academia, take the admin route. Working in admin is more secure, gets you on track and later on you can move to the research side. Thee is no point in trying to get a goodjob in academia, the generations before us have occupied those positions and won't let go their good salary and pension.
| 0 | 1,600 | 1.05 | ||
lcrq4z
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askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Why did I pursue a PhD if it has not led to any opportunities? I’m feeling pretty down at the moment. I’ve been applying to TT jobs for a few years and have gotten no luck. I received my PhD from an average state school in 2015 and have had two relatively fruitful postdocs the last 5 years. I’ve published 10 papers in mid-tier journals. Yet it’s all been for nothing. I can’t get a job for the life of me. I’ve applied to probably almost 100 professor jobs with no success whatsoever. 4 year R1 schools, SLACs, and community colleges all have rejected me. I’m willing to relocate anywhere in the country. There’s too few jobs and I just don’t cut. I’m almost 35 now with a salary that an undergrad straight out of college wouldn’t be thrilled with. And I’ve busting my ass for more than a decade for pretty much nothing. No upside, no new or exciting opportunities, nothing. It sucks. I would have been better off teaching high school instead of trying in to break into higher ed. I’ve learned the hard way that the PhD pays in prestige, but you can’t eat prestige. Why did I do this to myself? Any one else feel this way?
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gm2tk3e
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gm26b3f
| 1,612,497,924 | 1,612,486,647 | 12 | 9 |
Have you considered breaking into consulting or investment banking? I've heard that PhDs in those industries are valued a lot.
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Don’t blame yourself, Covid destroyed the job market. Try looking at industry jobs.
| 1 | 11,277 | 1.333333 | ||
hhgmpm
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askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
My prediction for the Fall semester 2020. Might play out like this: https://imgur.com/IVt9EiJ
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fwa094e
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fwafeii
| 1,593,361,568 | 1,593,369,464 | 188 | 196 |
I’m surprised that USA Colleges are having face-to-face classes at all. It’s a high risk activity considering the potential outcome. Here in Australia where we are in a lot better position regarding COVID we are expecting to teach remotely from day 1.
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I currently teach high school... We plan to be open face to face, once a kid gets COVID we're out for a week and anyone who was in class with that kid is out an additional week for quarantine... In a school with almost 2k students. Yeah, ok...
| 0 | 7,896 | 1.042553 | ||
hhgmpm
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askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
My prediction for the Fall semester 2020. Might play out like this: https://imgur.com/IVt9EiJ
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fwafeii
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fwa2sdi
| 1,593,369,464 | 1,593,362,911 | 196 | 9 |
I currently teach high school... We plan to be open face to face, once a kid gets COVID we're out for a week and anyone who was in class with that kid is out an additional week for quarantine... In a school with almost 2k students. Yeah, ok...
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My uni is gonna be all remote at least
| 1 | 6,553 | 21.777778 | ||
hhgmpm
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askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
My prediction for the Fall semester 2020. Might play out like this: https://imgur.com/IVt9EiJ
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fwafch4
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fwafeii
| 1,593,369,434 | 1,593,369,464 | 8 | 196 |
This is the correct take.
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I currently teach high school... We plan to be open face to face, once a kid gets COVID we're out for a week and anyone who was in class with that kid is out an additional week for quarantine... In a school with almost 2k students. Yeah, ok...
| 0 | 30 | 24.5 | ||
hhgmpm
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askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
My prediction for the Fall semester 2020. Might play out like this: https://imgur.com/IVt9EiJ
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fwa2sdi
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fway0p7
| 1,593,362,911 | 1,593,379,239 | 9 | 30 |
My uni is gonna be all remote at least
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In all honesty; it's not going to happen. They *intend* to open, and they'd vastly prefer to open from a revenue perspective, but at the same time they're all quietly planning for the possibility (or, rather, probability) of online-only instruction. Eventually, they'll start acknowledging it.
| 0 | 16,328 | 3.333333 | ||
hhgmpm
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askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
My prediction for the Fall semester 2020. Might play out like this: https://imgur.com/IVt9EiJ
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fway0p7
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fwafch4
| 1,593,379,239 | 1,593,369,434 | 30 | 8 |
In all honesty; it's not going to happen. They *intend* to open, and they'd vastly prefer to open from a revenue perspective, but at the same time they're all quietly planning for the possibility (or, rather, probability) of online-only instruction. Eventually, they'll start acknowledging it.
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This is the correct take.
| 1 | 9,805 | 3.75 | ||
hhgmpm
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askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
My prediction for the Fall semester 2020. Might play out like this: https://imgur.com/IVt9EiJ
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fwa2sdi
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fwb0f58
| 1,593,362,911 | 1,593,380,539 | 9 | 16 |
My uni is gonna be all remote at least
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"You will still have to pay full tuition for online access." - Vice Chancellor, lounging on a bed of money
| 0 | 17,628 | 1.777778 | ||
hhgmpm
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askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
My prediction for the Fall semester 2020. Might play out like this: https://imgur.com/IVt9EiJ
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fwb0f58
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fwafch4
| 1,593,380,539 | 1,593,369,434 | 16 | 8 |
"You will still have to pay full tuition for online access." - Vice Chancellor, lounging on a bed of money
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This is the correct take.
| 1 | 11,105 | 2 | ||
q0s215
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askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
What to do about a situation where my professor wrote a negative letter of rec for grad school? I am in the US, and applying to graduate school. I was a research assistant for this particular professor and ran a club that she was the advisor to. I did not struggle in her class or other class revolving the program I am going into. I asked her well beforehand to write me a letter and she claimed "it would be an honor". She submitted it, I had my interview and it came up that she said in the letter that I would not be a suitable candidate for the program. Her points in the letter claimed "that the club struggled under my leadership" and my research "was not adequate and not helpful". She never gave any inclination that this was the case, so I am stunned that she is saying these things. What can I do about this? She lied to me, and could impact my future. What course of action do I take? I'm at a loss of words here.
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hfaed99
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hfagx52
| 1,633,303,949 | 1,633,305,220 | 252 | 591 |
I expect a lot of people to disagree with this but: really give her a piece of your mind. That is an unbelievably shitty thing to do to someone, and especially lie through your teeth about it. If she thought those things, she should have told you to your face or at the very least declined to write the letter. What she has done here is wildly disrespectful and vindictive. Beyond unprofessional, its downright mean. At this point, status aside, you are two adults with no bridges really left to burn. So if you feel like it, you might as well make sure this person knows well how unreasonably shitty this was to do. Its not about getting revenge, its making sure other humans understand the consequences of their actions and what it means to be a PoS. Good luck OP, sorry to hear about this.
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I serve on an admissions committee. I can tell you that whenever we see a negative letter in an application, the first judgement is on the advisor. As others have said, any competent letter writer in the US academic system understands that a letter should be positive, or not written at all. That's why it's called a letter of recommendation. Do not use this person as a reference in the future. Do let other people know that this person wrote you a bad letter rather than declining. This likely will not harm your application as much as you think. If anything, it will hurt the writer's career when their peers see the kind of letter they write for people they should be supporting. It's of course a shitty thing to happen, and I'm sorry you're dealing with this, but it's not as serious as it probably feels right now.
| 0 | 1,271 | 2.345238 | ||
q0s215
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askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
What to do about a situation where my professor wrote a negative letter of rec for grad school? I am in the US, and applying to graduate school. I was a research assistant for this particular professor and ran a club that she was the advisor to. I did not struggle in her class or other class revolving the program I am going into. I asked her well beforehand to write me a letter and she claimed "it would be an honor". She submitted it, I had my interview and it came up that she said in the letter that I would not be a suitable candidate for the program. Her points in the letter claimed "that the club struggled under my leadership" and my research "was not adequate and not helpful". She never gave any inclination that this was the case, so I am stunned that she is saying these things. What can I do about this? She lied to me, and could impact my future. What course of action do I take? I'm at a loss of words here.
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hfaetny
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hfagx52
| 1,633,304,174 | 1,633,305,220 | 242 | 591 |
Don't use that letter. But honestly I'd burn all sorts of bridges out of spite over something like that. I'd go to her school and tell them this, ideally with a copy of the letter, and ask them why their professor is doing this to students who ask her for recommendations in good faith. It's universally accepted that if you can't give a good reference, you don't. And if you're in a position where it's expected to recommend someone, you at _least_ hit a neutral to positive note. Actively attacking you in the letter without warning you that she didn't feel she could write you a good letter is unforgivable.
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I serve on an admissions committee. I can tell you that whenever we see a negative letter in an application, the first judgement is on the advisor. As others have said, any competent letter writer in the US academic system understands that a letter should be positive, or not written at all. That's why it's called a letter of recommendation. Do not use this person as a reference in the future. Do let other people know that this person wrote you a bad letter rather than declining. This likely will not harm your application as much as you think. If anything, it will hurt the writer's career when their peers see the kind of letter they write for people they should be supporting. It's of course a shitty thing to happen, and I'm sorry you're dealing with this, but it's not as serious as it probably feels right now.
| 0 | 1,046 | 2.442149 | ||
q0s215
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askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
What to do about a situation where my professor wrote a negative letter of rec for grad school? I am in the US, and applying to graduate school. I was a research assistant for this particular professor and ran a club that she was the advisor to. I did not struggle in her class or other class revolving the program I am going into. I asked her well beforehand to write me a letter and she claimed "it would be an honor". She submitted it, I had my interview and it came up that she said in the letter that I would not be a suitable candidate for the program. Her points in the letter claimed "that the club struggled under my leadership" and my research "was not adequate and not helpful". She never gave any inclination that this was the case, so I am stunned that she is saying these things. What can I do about this? She lied to me, and could impact my future. What course of action do I take? I'm at a loss of words here.
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hfagx52
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hfa6xut
| 1,633,305,220 | 1,633,300,532 | 591 | 48 |
I serve on an admissions committee. I can tell you that whenever we see a negative letter in an application, the first judgement is on the advisor. As others have said, any competent letter writer in the US academic system understands that a letter should be positive, or not written at all. That's why it's called a letter of recommendation. Do not use this person as a reference in the future. Do let other people know that this person wrote you a bad letter rather than declining. This likely will not harm your application as much as you think. If anything, it will hurt the writer's career when their peers see the kind of letter they write for people they should be supporting. It's of course a shitty thing to happen, and I'm sorry you're dealing with this, but it's not as serious as it probably feels right now.
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You can try to talk to her to see what the problem was. And stop putting her name for recommendations.
| 1 | 4,688 | 12.3125 | ||
q0s215
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askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
What to do about a situation where my professor wrote a negative letter of rec for grad school? I am in the US, and applying to graduate school. I was a research assistant for this particular professor and ran a club that she was the advisor to. I did not struggle in her class or other class revolving the program I am going into. I asked her well beforehand to write me a letter and she claimed "it would be an honor". She submitted it, I had my interview and it came up that she said in the letter that I would not be a suitable candidate for the program. Her points in the letter claimed "that the club struggled under my leadership" and my research "was not adequate and not helpful". She never gave any inclination that this was the case, so I am stunned that she is saying these things. What can I do about this? She lied to me, and could impact my future. What course of action do I take? I'm at a loss of words here.
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hfagx52
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hfadt1l
| 1,633,305,220 | 1,633,303,683 | 591 | 17 |
I serve on an admissions committee. I can tell you that whenever we see a negative letter in an application, the first judgement is on the advisor. As others have said, any competent letter writer in the US academic system understands that a letter should be positive, or not written at all. That's why it's called a letter of recommendation. Do not use this person as a reference in the future. Do let other people know that this person wrote you a bad letter rather than declining. This likely will not harm your application as much as you think. If anything, it will hurt the writer's career when their peers see the kind of letter they write for people they should be supporting. It's of course a shitty thing to happen, and I'm sorry you're dealing with this, but it's not as serious as it probably feels right now.
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What others say and warn future students about her. Also, I don't know if it was a "send directly from the advisor" thing, but I always make sure to check their rec letters before submission.
| 1 | 1,537 | 34.764706 | ||
q0s215
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askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
What to do about a situation where my professor wrote a negative letter of rec for grad school? I am in the US, and applying to graduate school. I was a research assistant for this particular professor and ran a club that she was the advisor to. I did not struggle in her class or other class revolving the program I am going into. I asked her well beforehand to write me a letter and she claimed "it would be an honor". She submitted it, I had my interview and it came up that she said in the letter that I would not be a suitable candidate for the program. Her points in the letter claimed "that the club struggled under my leadership" and my research "was not adequate and not helpful". She never gave any inclination that this was the case, so I am stunned that she is saying these things. What can I do about this? She lied to me, and could impact my future. What course of action do I take? I'm at a loss of words here.
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hfaed99
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hfa6xut
| 1,633,303,949 | 1,633,300,532 | 252 | 48 |
I expect a lot of people to disagree with this but: really give her a piece of your mind. That is an unbelievably shitty thing to do to someone, and especially lie through your teeth about it. If she thought those things, she should have told you to your face or at the very least declined to write the letter. What she has done here is wildly disrespectful and vindictive. Beyond unprofessional, its downright mean. At this point, status aside, you are two adults with no bridges really left to burn. So if you feel like it, you might as well make sure this person knows well how unreasonably shitty this was to do. Its not about getting revenge, its making sure other humans understand the consequences of their actions and what it means to be a PoS. Good luck OP, sorry to hear about this.
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You can try to talk to her to see what the problem was. And stop putting her name for recommendations.
| 1 | 3,417 | 5.25 | ||
q0s215
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askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
What to do about a situation where my professor wrote a negative letter of rec for grad school? I am in the US, and applying to graduate school. I was a research assistant for this particular professor and ran a club that she was the advisor to. I did not struggle in her class or other class revolving the program I am going into. I asked her well beforehand to write me a letter and she claimed "it would be an honor". She submitted it, I had my interview and it came up that she said in the letter that I would not be a suitable candidate for the program. Her points in the letter claimed "that the club struggled under my leadership" and my research "was not adequate and not helpful". She never gave any inclination that this was the case, so I am stunned that she is saying these things. What can I do about this? She lied to me, and could impact my future. What course of action do I take? I'm at a loss of words here.
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hfadt1l
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hfaed99
| 1,633,303,683 | 1,633,303,949 | 17 | 252 |
What others say and warn future students about her. Also, I don't know if it was a "send directly from the advisor" thing, but I always make sure to check their rec letters before submission.
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I expect a lot of people to disagree with this but: really give her a piece of your mind. That is an unbelievably shitty thing to do to someone, and especially lie through your teeth about it. If she thought those things, she should have told you to your face or at the very least declined to write the letter. What she has done here is wildly disrespectful and vindictive. Beyond unprofessional, its downright mean. At this point, status aside, you are two adults with no bridges really left to burn. So if you feel like it, you might as well make sure this person knows well how unreasonably shitty this was to do. Its not about getting revenge, its making sure other humans understand the consequences of their actions and what it means to be a PoS. Good luck OP, sorry to hear about this.
| 0 | 266 | 14.823529 | ||
q0s215
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askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
What to do about a situation where my professor wrote a negative letter of rec for grad school? I am in the US, and applying to graduate school. I was a research assistant for this particular professor and ran a club that she was the advisor to. I did not struggle in her class or other class revolving the program I am going into. I asked her well beforehand to write me a letter and she claimed "it would be an honor". She submitted it, I had my interview and it came up that she said in the letter that I would not be a suitable candidate for the program. Her points in the letter claimed "that the club struggled under my leadership" and my research "was not adequate and not helpful". She never gave any inclination that this was the case, so I am stunned that she is saying these things. What can I do about this? She lied to me, and could impact my future. What course of action do I take? I'm at a loss of words here.
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hfa6xut
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hfaetny
| 1,633,300,532 | 1,633,304,174 | 48 | 242 |
You can try to talk to her to see what the problem was. And stop putting her name for recommendations.
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Don't use that letter. But honestly I'd burn all sorts of bridges out of spite over something like that. I'd go to her school and tell them this, ideally with a copy of the letter, and ask them why their professor is doing this to students who ask her for recommendations in good faith. It's universally accepted that if you can't give a good reference, you don't. And if you're in a position where it's expected to recommend someone, you at _least_ hit a neutral to positive note. Actively attacking you in the letter without warning you that she didn't feel she could write you a good letter is unforgivable.
| 0 | 3,642 | 5.041667 | ||
q0s215
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askacademia_train
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What to do about a situation where my professor wrote a negative letter of rec for grad school? I am in the US, and applying to graduate school. I was a research assistant for this particular professor and ran a club that she was the advisor to. I did not struggle in her class or other class revolving the program I am going into. I asked her well beforehand to write me a letter and she claimed "it would be an honor". She submitted it, I had my interview and it came up that she said in the letter that I would not be a suitable candidate for the program. Her points in the letter claimed "that the club struggled under my leadership" and my research "was not adequate and not helpful". She never gave any inclination that this was the case, so I am stunned that she is saying these things. What can I do about this? She lied to me, and could impact my future. What course of action do I take? I'm at a loss of words here.
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hfadt1l
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hfaetny
| 1,633,303,683 | 1,633,304,174 | 17 | 242 |
What others say and warn future students about her. Also, I don't know if it was a "send directly from the advisor" thing, but I always make sure to check their rec letters before submission.
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Don't use that letter. But honestly I'd burn all sorts of bridges out of spite over something like that. I'd go to her school and tell them this, ideally with a copy of the letter, and ask them why their professor is doing this to students who ask her for recommendations in good faith. It's universally accepted that if you can't give a good reference, you don't. And if you're in a position where it's expected to recommend someone, you at _least_ hit a neutral to positive note. Actively attacking you in the letter without warning you that she didn't feel she could write you a good letter is unforgivable.
| 0 | 491 | 14.235294 | ||
q0s215
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askacademia_train
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What to do about a situation where my professor wrote a negative letter of rec for grad school? I am in the US, and applying to graduate school. I was a research assistant for this particular professor and ran a club that she was the advisor to. I did not struggle in her class or other class revolving the program I am going into. I asked her well beforehand to write me a letter and she claimed "it would be an honor". She submitted it, I had my interview and it came up that she said in the letter that I would not be a suitable candidate for the program. Her points in the letter claimed "that the club struggled under my leadership" and my research "was not adequate and not helpful". She never gave any inclination that this was the case, so I am stunned that she is saying these things. What can I do about this? She lied to me, and could impact my future. What course of action do I take? I'm at a loss of words here.
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hfaiuz3
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hfa6xut
| 1,633,306,195 | 1,633,300,532 | 92 | 48 |
That is all sorts of craps. It’s not the way the system works. If I am put into a position where I have to write a letter for a poor student, I tell the student that all I will write is factual experiences the student had (i.e., took X class, completed X practicum, etc.) It’s not negative, but it clearly indicates to the committee that I don’t have positive things to say. You can either ignore (and not use her as a reference ever again) or address it with her. I would probably go the route of sending a baffled email—“Dear Dr. Negative, As you know, I am in the process of applying to grad schools. Because of my positive experience with you, I asked you to write a letter of recommendation. During one of my interviews, a member of the admissions committee indicated that you had not recommended me for the program because (list reasons here). I’m confused (or other emotion) as these were never conveyed to me during classes/projects or when I asked for a letter. I’m trying to better understand what happened as this negatively impacts my admission to a grad program.”
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You can try to talk to her to see what the problem was. And stop putting her name for recommendations.
| 1 | 5,663 | 1.916667 | ||
q0s215
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askacademia_train
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What to do about a situation where my professor wrote a negative letter of rec for grad school? I am in the US, and applying to graduate school. I was a research assistant for this particular professor and ran a club that she was the advisor to. I did not struggle in her class or other class revolving the program I am going into. I asked her well beforehand to write me a letter and she claimed "it would be an honor". She submitted it, I had my interview and it came up that she said in the letter that I would not be a suitable candidate for the program. Her points in the letter claimed "that the club struggled under my leadership" and my research "was not adequate and not helpful". She never gave any inclination that this was the case, so I am stunned that she is saying these things. What can I do about this? She lied to me, and could impact my future. What course of action do I take? I'm at a loss of words here.
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hfaiuz3
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hfadt1l
| 1,633,306,195 | 1,633,303,683 | 92 | 17 |
That is all sorts of craps. It’s not the way the system works. If I am put into a position where I have to write a letter for a poor student, I tell the student that all I will write is factual experiences the student had (i.e., took X class, completed X practicum, etc.) It’s not negative, but it clearly indicates to the committee that I don’t have positive things to say. You can either ignore (and not use her as a reference ever again) or address it with her. I would probably go the route of sending a baffled email—“Dear Dr. Negative, As you know, I am in the process of applying to grad schools. Because of my positive experience with you, I asked you to write a letter of recommendation. During one of my interviews, a member of the admissions committee indicated that you had not recommended me for the program because (list reasons here). I’m confused (or other emotion) as these were never conveyed to me during classes/projects or when I asked for a letter. I’m trying to better understand what happened as this negatively impacts my admission to a grad program.”
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What others say and warn future students about her. Also, I don't know if it was a "send directly from the advisor" thing, but I always make sure to check their rec letters before submission.
| 1 | 2,512 | 5.411765 | ||
q0s215
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askacademia_train
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What to do about a situation where my professor wrote a negative letter of rec for grad school? I am in the US, and applying to graduate school. I was a research assistant for this particular professor and ran a club that she was the advisor to. I did not struggle in her class or other class revolving the program I am going into. I asked her well beforehand to write me a letter and she claimed "it would be an honor". She submitted it, I had my interview and it came up that she said in the letter that I would not be a suitable candidate for the program. Her points in the letter claimed "that the club struggled under my leadership" and my research "was not adequate and not helpful". She never gave any inclination that this was the case, so I am stunned that she is saying these things. What can I do about this? She lied to me, and could impact my future. What course of action do I take? I'm at a loss of words here.
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hfa6xut
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hfak108
| 1,633,300,532 | 1,633,306,777 | 48 | 50 |
You can try to talk to her to see what the problem was. And stop putting her name for recommendations.
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I can’t imagine how it must feel to be a professor and be that spiteful and malicious towards a student. She could have said no and shared her thoughts with you then, or written a letter to you explaining why she didn’t think you would be a good fit, some considerations, or you know maybe mentioned something WHILE you were her assistant and running the club. She just looks like an asshole, and hopefully the people who read it will see that and disregard the letter from your application to the program. She’s a limit to people’s potential in her class and I hope she gets a wake up call to how much of a shit person you have to be to live your life that way. “It would be an honor.” Jesus. To keep it from you and still write the letter, she must have something that pisses her off to get as far as submitting a letter “of recommendation” like that. Either personal for her and/or personal towards you. I agree with the other people when they say to give her a piece of your mind (professionally/neutrally, of course.)
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What to do about a situation where my professor wrote a negative letter of rec for grad school? I am in the US, and applying to graduate school. I was a research assistant for this particular professor and ran a club that she was the advisor to. I did not struggle in her class or other class revolving the program I am going into. I asked her well beforehand to write me a letter and she claimed "it would be an honor". She submitted it, I had my interview and it came up that she said in the letter that I would not be a suitable candidate for the program. Her points in the letter claimed "that the club struggled under my leadership" and my research "was not adequate and not helpful". She never gave any inclination that this was the case, so I am stunned that she is saying these things. What can I do about this? She lied to me, and could impact my future. What course of action do I take? I'm at a loss of words here.
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I can’t imagine how it must feel to be a professor and be that spiteful and malicious towards a student. She could have said no and shared her thoughts with you then, or written a letter to you explaining why she didn’t think you would be a good fit, some considerations, or you know maybe mentioned something WHILE you were her assistant and running the club. She just looks like an asshole, and hopefully the people who read it will see that and disregard the letter from your application to the program. She’s a limit to people’s potential in her class and I hope she gets a wake up call to how much of a shit person you have to be to live your life that way. “It would be an honor.” Jesus. To keep it from you and still write the letter, she must have something that pisses her off to get as far as submitting a letter “of recommendation” like that. Either personal for her and/or personal towards you. I agree with the other people when they say to give her a piece of your mind (professionally/neutrally, of course.)
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What others say and warn future students about her. Also, I don't know if it was a "send directly from the advisor" thing, but I always make sure to check their rec letters before submission.
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What to do about a situation where my professor wrote a negative letter of rec for grad school? I am in the US, and applying to graduate school. I was a research assistant for this particular professor and ran a club that she was the advisor to. I did not struggle in her class or other class revolving the program I am going into. I asked her well beforehand to write me a letter and she claimed "it would be an honor". She submitted it, I had my interview and it came up that she said in the letter that I would not be a suitable candidate for the program. Her points in the letter claimed "that the club struggled under my leadership" and my research "was not adequate and not helpful". She never gave any inclination that this was the case, so I am stunned that she is saying these things. What can I do about this? She lied to me, and could impact my future. What course of action do I take? I'm at a loss of words here.
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What others say and warn future students about her. Also, I don't know if it was a "send directly from the advisor" thing, but I always make sure to check their rec letters before submission.
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This is extremely unfortunate and uncommon. For the most part professors will decline to write a letter if they can’t write a positive one. It’s a “letter of recommendation”, not “letter of review”. This person is out to get you and I would avoid interacting with them further.
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What to do about a situation where my professor wrote a negative letter of rec for grad school? I am in the US, and applying to graduate school. I was a research assistant for this particular professor and ran a club that she was the advisor to. I did not struggle in her class or other class revolving the program I am going into. I asked her well beforehand to write me a letter and she claimed "it would be an honor". She submitted it, I had my interview and it came up that she said in the letter that I would not be a suitable candidate for the program. Her points in the letter claimed "that the club struggled under my leadership" and my research "was not adequate and not helpful". She never gave any inclination that this was the case, so I am stunned that she is saying these things. What can I do about this? She lied to me, and could impact my future. What course of action do I take? I'm at a loss of words here.
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Considering that professors (in the US) are specifically told to decline to write a letter if you don’t think the student is deserving due to slander lawsuits shows that this professor is an idiot
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This is extremely unfortunate and uncommon. For the most part professors will decline to write a letter if they can’t write a positive one. It’s a “letter of recommendation”, not “letter of review”. This person is out to get you and I would avoid interacting with them further.
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What to do about a situation where my professor wrote a negative letter of rec for grad school? I am in the US, and applying to graduate school. I was a research assistant for this particular professor and ran a club that she was the advisor to. I did not struggle in her class or other class revolving the program I am going into. I asked her well beforehand to write me a letter and she claimed "it would be an honor". She submitted it, I had my interview and it came up that she said in the letter that I would not be a suitable candidate for the program. Her points in the letter claimed "that the club struggled under my leadership" and my research "was not adequate and not helpful". She never gave any inclination that this was the case, so I am stunned that she is saying these things. What can I do about this? She lied to me, and could impact my future. What course of action do I take? I'm at a loss of words here.
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Faculty shouldn't agree to write letters unless it's going to support the student. I'm a professor. I actually just posted a video on YT about requesting a letter from a prof. (link here, in case it'll help anyone). With regards to this specific case, I'd immediately find a new source for letters of recommendation. If you have any other applications that are out there, you MIGHT be able to remove the offending letter writer in question and then setup another person (after asking another person, all that jazz). I'm so sorry that this happened. It's extremely unprofessional and cruel.
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This is extremely unfortunate and uncommon. For the most part professors will decline to write a letter if they can’t write a positive one. It’s a “letter of recommendation”, not “letter of review”. This person is out to get you and I would avoid interacting with them further.
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What to do about a situation where my professor wrote a negative letter of rec for grad school? I am in the US, and applying to graduate school. I was a research assistant for this particular professor and ran a club that she was the advisor to. I did not struggle in her class or other class revolving the program I am going into. I asked her well beforehand to write me a letter and she claimed "it would be an honor". She submitted it, I had my interview and it came up that she said in the letter that I would not be a suitable candidate for the program. Her points in the letter claimed "that the club struggled under my leadership" and my research "was not adequate and not helpful". She never gave any inclination that this was the case, so I am stunned that she is saying these things. What can I do about this? She lied to me, and could impact my future. What course of action do I take? I'm at a loss of words here.
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hfapxlk
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That’s really quite terrible. Sorry you are in that kind of position. The worst letter I wrote never said anything negative about a candidate. The worst letter just didn’t say anything super positive. Basically a neutral letter is as bad as it ever gets.
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This is extremely unfortunate and uncommon. For the most part professors will decline to write a letter if they can’t write a positive one. It’s a “letter of recommendation”, not “letter of review”. This person is out to get you and I would avoid interacting with them further.
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What to do about a situation where my professor wrote a negative letter of rec for grad school? I am in the US, and applying to graduate school. I was a research assistant for this particular professor and ran a club that she was the advisor to. I did not struggle in her class or other class revolving the program I am going into. I asked her well beforehand to write me a letter and she claimed "it would be an honor". She submitted it, I had my interview and it came up that she said in the letter that I would not be a suitable candidate for the program. Her points in the letter claimed "that the club struggled under my leadership" and my research "was not adequate and not helpful". She never gave any inclination that this was the case, so I am stunned that she is saying these things. What can I do about this? She lied to me, and could impact my future. What course of action do I take? I'm at a loss of words here.
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hfadt1l
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Sounds like a case of sour grapes. Either because she didn’t want to lose you as a research assistant or because you weren’t planning to do your grad program with her. It’s not the first time I’ve heard of an academic being spiteful AF.
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What others say and warn future students about her. Also, I don't know if it was a "send directly from the advisor" thing, but I always make sure to check their rec letters before submission.
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What to do about a situation where my professor wrote a negative letter of rec for grad school? I am in the US, and applying to graduate school. I was a research assistant for this particular professor and ran a club that she was the advisor to. I did not struggle in her class or other class revolving the program I am going into. I asked her well beforehand to write me a letter and she claimed "it would be an honor". She submitted it, I had my interview and it came up that she said in the letter that I would not be a suitable candidate for the program. Her points in the letter claimed "that the club struggled under my leadership" and my research "was not adequate and not helpful". She never gave any inclination that this was the case, so I am stunned that she is saying these things. What can I do about this? She lied to me, and could impact my future. What course of action do I take? I'm at a loss of words here.
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hfaoqlu
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Sounds like a case of sour grapes. Either because she didn’t want to lose you as a research assistant or because you weren’t planning to do your grad program with her. It’s not the first time I’ve heard of an academic being spiteful AF.
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Considering that professors (in the US) are specifically told to decline to write a letter if you don’t think the student is deserving due to slander lawsuits shows that this professor is an idiot
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What to do about a situation where my professor wrote a negative letter of rec for grad school? I am in the US, and applying to graduate school. I was a research assistant for this particular professor and ran a club that she was the advisor to. I did not struggle in her class or other class revolving the program I am going into. I asked her well beforehand to write me a letter and she claimed "it would be an honor". She submitted it, I had my interview and it came up that she said in the letter that I would not be a suitable candidate for the program. Her points in the letter claimed "that the club struggled under my leadership" and my research "was not adequate and not helpful". She never gave any inclination that this was the case, so I am stunned that she is saying these things. What can I do about this? She lied to me, and could impact my future. What course of action do I take? I'm at a loss of words here.
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hfavtys
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Faculty shouldn't agree to write letters unless it's going to support the student. I'm a professor. I actually just posted a video on YT about requesting a letter from a prof. (link here, in case it'll help anyone). With regards to this specific case, I'd immediately find a new source for letters of recommendation. If you have any other applications that are out there, you MIGHT be able to remove the offending letter writer in question and then setup another person (after asking another person, all that jazz). I'm so sorry that this happened. It's extremely unprofessional and cruel.
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Sounds like a case of sour grapes. Either because she didn’t want to lose you as a research assistant or because you weren’t planning to do your grad program with her. It’s not the first time I’ve heard of an academic being spiteful AF.
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What to do about a situation where my professor wrote a negative letter of rec for grad school? I am in the US, and applying to graduate school. I was a research assistant for this particular professor and ran a club that she was the advisor to. I did not struggle in her class or other class revolving the program I am going into. I asked her well beforehand to write me a letter and she claimed "it would be an honor". She submitted it, I had my interview and it came up that she said in the letter that I would not be a suitable candidate for the program. Her points in the letter claimed "that the club struggled under my leadership" and my research "was not adequate and not helpful". She never gave any inclination that this was the case, so I am stunned that she is saying these things. What can I do about this? She lied to me, and could impact my future. What course of action do I take? I'm at a loss of words here.
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hfavtys
| 1,633,306,794 | 1,633,312,543 | 8 | 25 |
That’s really quite terrible. Sorry you are in that kind of position. The worst letter I wrote never said anything negative about a candidate. The worst letter just didn’t say anything super positive. Basically a neutral letter is as bad as it ever gets.
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Sounds like a case of sour grapes. Either because she didn’t want to lose you as a research assistant or because you weren’t planning to do your grad program with her. It’s not the first time I’ve heard of an academic being spiteful AF.
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What to do about a situation where my professor wrote a negative letter of rec for grad school? I am in the US, and applying to graduate school. I was a research assistant for this particular professor and ran a club that she was the advisor to. I did not struggle in her class or other class revolving the program I am going into. I asked her well beforehand to write me a letter and she claimed "it would be an honor". She submitted it, I had my interview and it came up that she said in the letter that I would not be a suitable candidate for the program. Her points in the letter claimed "that the club struggled under my leadership" and my research "was not adequate and not helpful". She never gave any inclination that this was the case, so I am stunned that she is saying these things. What can I do about this? She lied to me, and could impact my future. What course of action do I take? I'm at a loss of words here.
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| 1,633,312,543 | 1,633,312,404 | 25 | 7 |
Sounds like a case of sour grapes. Either because she didn’t want to lose you as a research assistant or because you weren’t planning to do your grad program with her. It’s not the first time I’ve heard of an academic being spiteful AF.
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You can “exclude” a LOR in most application systems these days. Do that. ASAP
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What to do about a situation where my professor wrote a negative letter of rec for grad school? I am in the US, and applying to graduate school. I was a research assistant for this particular professor and ran a club that she was the advisor to. I did not struggle in her class or other class revolving the program I am going into. I asked her well beforehand to write me a letter and she claimed "it would be an honor". She submitted it, I had my interview and it came up that she said in the letter that I would not be a suitable candidate for the program. Her points in the letter claimed "that the club struggled under my leadership" and my research "was not adequate and not helpful". She never gave any inclination that this was the case, so I am stunned that she is saying these things. What can I do about this? She lied to me, and could impact my future. What course of action do I take? I'm at a loss of words here.
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Considering that professors (in the US) are specifically told to decline to write a letter if you don’t think the student is deserving due to slander lawsuits shows that this professor is an idiot
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Had you heard any feedback along these lines from this professor before? Was what the interviewer told you specific enough that it would have had to come from this professor? Does it sound like something she would have done, or had you previously had a good working relationship with her? You could potentially ask her about this in a non-confrontational way to see if she offers you any additional information. Something like, the interviewer mentioned X, Y, and Z in the interview and mentioned that it was from your recommendation letter. I’m a bit surprised, because that isn’t feedback I’ve heard from you before. Is it possible she was mistaken? If she confirms that yes, she wrote this shitty letter, you have more documentation. There’s no good reason to sabotage a student’s application like that when she could simply decline. This feels more like someone who has an ax to grind, and this is a grossly unprofessional way to do that. You could also consider reaching out to your university ombuds. They’re generally neutral and confidential, and they’ll hear you out and then run through the options you have.
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What to do about a situation where my professor wrote a negative letter of rec for grad school? I am in the US, and applying to graduate school. I was a research assistant for this particular professor and ran a club that she was the advisor to. I did not struggle in her class or other class revolving the program I am going into. I asked her well beforehand to write me a letter and she claimed "it would be an honor". She submitted it, I had my interview and it came up that she said in the letter that I would not be a suitable candidate for the program. Her points in the letter claimed "that the club struggled under my leadership" and my research "was not adequate and not helpful". She never gave any inclination that this was the case, so I am stunned that she is saying these things. What can I do about this? She lied to me, and could impact my future. What course of action do I take? I'm at a loss of words here.
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hfb6vkl
| 1,633,306,794 | 1,633,318,148 | 8 | 10 |
That’s really quite terrible. Sorry you are in that kind of position. The worst letter I wrote never said anything negative about a candidate. The worst letter just didn’t say anything super positive. Basically a neutral letter is as bad as it ever gets.
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Had you heard any feedback along these lines from this professor before? Was what the interviewer told you specific enough that it would have had to come from this professor? Does it sound like something she would have done, or had you previously had a good working relationship with her? You could potentially ask her about this in a non-confrontational way to see if she offers you any additional information. Something like, the interviewer mentioned X, Y, and Z in the interview and mentioned that it was from your recommendation letter. I’m a bit surprised, because that isn’t feedback I’ve heard from you before. Is it possible she was mistaken? If she confirms that yes, she wrote this shitty letter, you have more documentation. There’s no good reason to sabotage a student’s application like that when she could simply decline. This feels more like someone who has an ax to grind, and this is a grossly unprofessional way to do that. You could also consider reaching out to your university ombuds. They’re generally neutral and confidential, and they’ll hear you out and then run through the options you have.
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What to do about a situation where my professor wrote a negative letter of rec for grad school? I am in the US, and applying to graduate school. I was a research assistant for this particular professor and ran a club that she was the advisor to. I did not struggle in her class or other class revolving the program I am going into. I asked her well beforehand to write me a letter and she claimed "it would be an honor". She submitted it, I had my interview and it came up that she said in the letter that I would not be a suitable candidate for the program. Her points in the letter claimed "that the club struggled under my leadership" and my research "was not adequate and not helpful". She never gave any inclination that this was the case, so I am stunned that she is saying these things. What can I do about this? She lied to me, and could impact my future. What course of action do I take? I'm at a loss of words here.
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hfb6vkl
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You can “exclude” a LOR in most application systems these days. Do that. ASAP
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Had you heard any feedback along these lines from this professor before? Was what the interviewer told you specific enough that it would have had to come from this professor? Does it sound like something she would have done, or had you previously had a good working relationship with her? You could potentially ask her about this in a non-confrontational way to see if she offers you any additional information. Something like, the interviewer mentioned X, Y, and Z in the interview and mentioned that it was from your recommendation letter. I’m a bit surprised, because that isn’t feedback I’ve heard from you before. Is it possible she was mistaken? If she confirms that yes, she wrote this shitty letter, you have more documentation. There’s no good reason to sabotage a student’s application like that when she could simply decline. This feels more like someone who has an ax to grind, and this is a grossly unprofessional way to do that. You could also consider reaching out to your university ombuds. They’re generally neutral and confidential, and they’ll hear you out and then run through the options you have.
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What to do about a situation where my professor wrote a negative letter of rec for grad school? I am in the US, and applying to graduate school. I was a research assistant for this particular professor and ran a club that she was the advisor to. I did not struggle in her class or other class revolving the program I am going into. I asked her well beforehand to write me a letter and she claimed "it would be an honor". She submitted it, I had my interview and it came up that she said in the letter that I would not be a suitable candidate for the program. Her points in the letter claimed "that the club struggled under my leadership" and my research "was not adequate and not helpful". She never gave any inclination that this was the case, so I am stunned that she is saying these things. What can I do about this? She lied to me, and could impact my future. What course of action do I take? I'm at a loss of words here.
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Considering that professors (in the US) are specifically told to decline to write a letter if you don’t think the student is deserving due to slander lawsuits shows that this professor is an idiot
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Faculty shouldn't agree to write letters unless it's going to support the student. I'm a professor. I actually just posted a video on YT about requesting a letter from a prof. (link here, in case it'll help anyone). With regards to this specific case, I'd immediately find a new source for letters of recommendation. If you have any other applications that are out there, you MIGHT be able to remove the offending letter writer in question and then setup another person (after asking another person, all that jazz). I'm so sorry that this happened. It's extremely unprofessional and cruel.
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What to do about a situation where my professor wrote a negative letter of rec for grad school? I am in the US, and applying to graduate school. I was a research assistant for this particular professor and ran a club that she was the advisor to. I did not struggle in her class or other class revolving the program I am going into. I asked her well beforehand to write me a letter and she claimed "it would be an honor". She submitted it, I had my interview and it came up that she said in the letter that I would not be a suitable candidate for the program. Her points in the letter claimed "that the club struggled under my leadership" and my research "was not adequate and not helpful". She never gave any inclination that this was the case, so I am stunned that she is saying these things. What can I do about this? She lied to me, and could impact my future. What course of action do I take? I'm at a loss of words here.
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hfak286
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Considering that professors (in the US) are specifically told to decline to write a letter if you don’t think the student is deserving due to slander lawsuits shows that this professor is an idiot
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That’s really quite terrible. Sorry you are in that kind of position. The worst letter I wrote never said anything negative about a candidate. The worst letter just didn’t say anything super positive. Basically a neutral letter is as bad as it ever gets.
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What to do about a situation where my professor wrote a negative letter of rec for grad school? I am in the US, and applying to graduate school. I was a research assistant for this particular professor and ran a club that she was the advisor to. I did not struggle in her class or other class revolving the program I am going into. I asked her well beforehand to write me a letter and she claimed "it would be an honor". She submitted it, I had my interview and it came up that she said in the letter that I would not be a suitable candidate for the program. Her points in the letter claimed "that the club struggled under my leadership" and my research "was not adequate and not helpful". She never gave any inclination that this was the case, so I am stunned that she is saying these things. What can I do about this? She lied to me, and could impact my future. What course of action do I take? I'm at a loss of words here.
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hfak286
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Faculty shouldn't agree to write letters unless it's going to support the student. I'm a professor. I actually just posted a video on YT about requesting a letter from a prof. (link here, in case it'll help anyone). With regards to this specific case, I'd immediately find a new source for letters of recommendation. If you have any other applications that are out there, you MIGHT be able to remove the offending letter writer in question and then setup another person (after asking another person, all that jazz). I'm so sorry that this happened. It's extremely unprofessional and cruel.
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That’s really quite terrible. Sorry you are in that kind of position. The worst letter I wrote never said anything negative about a candidate. The worst letter just didn’t say anything super positive. Basically a neutral letter is as bad as it ever gets.
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Your name was mentioned in a paper recently found by Academia! Dear Academia.edu, no one is mentioning my name in any papers. Please stop.
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I get frequent notices for some paleontologist with whom I share a name, despite my being a humanist and two decades older. Finally turned it all off last summer, as I've found academia.edu to be mostly worthless anyway.
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Dear Academia, That is the last name of my father and the first name of his co-author. The paper was published a quarter century ago. I am in the humanities; that paper is in a niche scientific field. Please revise and resubmit. Best wishes! A.
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Your name was mentioned in a paper recently found by Academia! Dear Academia.edu, no one is mentioning my name in any papers. Please stop.
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hp17so2
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Supposedly there are over 3,000 mentions of my name in papers. My name is quite uncommon.
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In contrast, when Research Gate says you have a citation, it's true. It's even better than Google Scholar. Citations for my unpublished PhD dissertation appear on Research Gate but not on Google Scholar.
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Your name was mentioned in a paper recently found by Academia! Dear Academia.edu, no one is mentioning my name in any papers. Please stop.
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I get weekly emails from them with wilder and wilder paper publications. I'm a paleontologist. I highly doubt I would be doing something regarding "the increased complexities of the herpes virus". Honestly I haven't put them in the spam folder yet because their suggestions of papers that I have possibly written are just too amusing. What makes it even funnier is that I'm not even a published author yet. I'm still working on my first manuscript.
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Shit, I thought I was famous.
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askacademia_train
| 0.99 |
Your name was mentioned in a paper recently found by Academia! Dear Academia.edu, no one is mentioning my name in any papers. Please stop.
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hp2da57
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hp243pm
| 1,639,846,903 | 1,639,842,784 | 3 | 1 |
Oh, hey! So, it's not just me. It's always scientific studies and journals and I'm like, "but my field is history and public history. tf?" Edited to note: The scientific studies are typically medical-based, not anthro or any history derivatives.
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So far I've had them for a paper about something to do with surveillance, something to do with agricultural microbiology, and something in Portugese that I think had to do with oceanographic modelling? Given my field is cognitive psychology, I find it hillarious
| 1 | 4,119 | 3 | ||
ris5lq
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askacademia_train
| 0.99 |
Your name was mentioned in a paper recently found by Academia! Dear Academia.edu, no one is mentioning my name in any papers. Please stop.
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hp243pm
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hp3gbh6
| 1,639,842,784 | 1,639,864,436 | 1 | 2 |
So far I've had them for a paper about something to do with surveillance, something to do with agricultural microbiology, and something in Portugese that I think had to do with oceanographic modelling? Given my field is cognitive psychology, I find it hillarious
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I apparently share the same first and last name with someone who published an article on construction statistics, and academia.edu reminds me of that every month lol
| 0 | 21,652 | 2 | ||
ris5lq
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askacademia_train
| 0.99 |
Your name was mentioned in a paper recently found by Academia! Dear Academia.edu, no one is mentioning my name in any papers. Please stop.
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hp3gbh6
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hp2l1yz
| 1,639,864,436 | 1,639,850,299 | 2 | 1 |
I apparently share the same first and last name with someone who published an article on construction statistics, and academia.edu reminds me of that every month lol
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My husband just got a note that his paper was mentioned more than 3000 times (which is basically impossible).
| 1 | 14,137 | 2 | ||
ris5lq
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askacademia_train
| 0.99 |
Your name was mentioned in a paper recently found by Academia! Dear Academia.edu, no one is mentioning my name in any papers. Please stop.
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hp3gbh6
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hp2ruga
| 1,639,864,436 | 1,639,853,242 | 2 | 1 |
I apparently share the same first and last name with someone who published an article on construction statistics, and academia.edu reminds me of that every month lol
|
It is important to note that the `.edu` domain is misleading. This is actually a **for-profit**, and has little to do with "education". I'm sure, it has some value to some people, but what I have come to know about this website is that all they care about is how to increase profit and push out more products to customers willing to buy them. Here is a critical article discussing its many problems. wikipedia points out: > Academia.edu is an American for-profit social networking website for academics. It began as a free and open repository of academic journal articles and registered a .edu domain name when this was not limited to educational institutions.[3]
| 1 | 11,194 | 2 | ||
ris5lq
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askacademia_train
| 0.99 |
Your name was mentioned in a paper recently found by Academia! Dear Academia.edu, no one is mentioning my name in any papers. Please stop.
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hp3b375
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hp3gbh6
| 1,639,861,949 | 1,639,864,436 | 1 | 2 |
Seriously
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I apparently share the same first and last name with someone who published an article on construction statistics, and academia.edu reminds me of that every month lol
| 0 | 2,487 | 2 | ||
ris5lq
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askacademia_train
| 0.99 |
Your name was mentioned in a paper recently found by Academia! Dear Academia.edu, no one is mentioning my name in any papers. Please stop.
|
hp243pm
|
hrqmfy1
| 1,639,842,784 | 1,641,616,893 | 1 | 2 |
So far I've had them for a paper about something to do with surveillance, something to do with agricultural microbiology, and something in Portugese that I think had to do with oceanographic modelling? Given my field is cognitive psychology, I find it hillarious
|
If you unsubscribe they will stop
| 0 | 1,774,109 | 2 | ||
ris5lq
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askacademia_train
| 0.99 |
Your name was mentioned in a paper recently found by Academia! Dear Academia.edu, no one is mentioning my name in any papers. Please stop.
|
hp2l1yz
|
hrqmfy1
| 1,639,850,299 | 1,641,616,893 | 1 | 2 |
My husband just got a note that his paper was mentioned more than 3000 times (which is basically impossible).
|
If you unsubscribe they will stop
| 0 | 1,766,594 | 2 | ||
ris5lq
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askacademia_train
| 0.99 |
Your name was mentioned in a paper recently found by Academia! Dear Academia.edu, no one is mentioning my name in any papers. Please stop.
|
hp2ruga
|
hrqmfy1
| 1,639,853,242 | 1,641,616,893 | 1 | 2 |
It is important to note that the `.edu` domain is misleading. This is actually a **for-profit**, and has little to do with "education". I'm sure, it has some value to some people, but what I have come to know about this website is that all they care about is how to increase profit and push out more products to customers willing to buy them. Here is a critical article discussing its many problems. wikipedia points out: > Academia.edu is an American for-profit social networking website for academics. It began as a free and open repository of academic journal articles and registered a .edu domain name when this was not limited to educational institutions.[3]
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If you unsubscribe they will stop
| 0 | 1,763,651 | 2 | ||
ris5lq
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askacademia_train
| 0.99 |
Your name was mentioned in a paper recently found by Academia! Dear Academia.edu, no one is mentioning my name in any papers. Please stop.
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hrqmfy1
|
hp3b375
| 1,641,616,893 | 1,639,861,949 | 2 | 1 |
If you unsubscribe they will stop
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Seriously
| 1 | 1,754,944 | 2 | ||
ris5lq
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askacademia_train
| 0.99 |
Your name was mentioned in a paper recently found by Academia! Dear Academia.edu, no one is mentioning my name in any papers. Please stop.
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hprepvu
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hrqmfy1
| 1,640,313,224 | 1,641,616,893 | 1 | 2 |
Nah my name actually was in a paper
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If you unsubscribe they will stop
| 0 | 1,303,669 | 2 | ||
dxuvrq
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askacademia_train
| 0.94 |
MY FIRST PAPER WAS ACCEPTED!! The good news keep on coming! My sole-author paper was accepted. I will be published as an undergrad!
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f7wxra9
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f7x50kr
| 1,574,040,921 | 1,574,046,436 | 22 | 71 |
Congratulations! This will be a huge help for you moving forward in your life no matter what path you choose to take.
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Published as an undergrad in a non-undergrad publication? That's pretty nuts congrats!
| 0 | 5,515 | 3.227273 | ||
dxuvrq
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askacademia_train
| 0.94 |
MY FIRST PAPER WAS ACCEPTED!! The good news keep on coming! My sole-author paper was accepted. I will be published as an undergrad!
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f7wmc4v
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f7x50kr
| 1,574,034,891 | 1,574,046,436 | 16 | 71 |
Congratulations! That's wonderful!
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Published as an undergrad in a non-undergrad publication? That's pretty nuts congrats!
| 0 | 11,545 | 4.4375 | ||
dxuvrq
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askacademia_train
| 0.94 |
MY FIRST PAPER WAS ACCEPTED!! The good news keep on coming! My sole-author paper was accepted. I will be published as an undergrad!
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f7x50kr
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f7wo43k
| 1,574,046,436 | 1,574,035,514 | 71 | 8 |
Published as an undergrad in a non-undergrad publication? That's pretty nuts congrats!
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Gratz!!!
| 1 | 10,922 | 8.875 |
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