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Dusting off my Zune, brb. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Few things there. First, exposure is good but it isn’t a direct translation into pay. The payment per play does matter because that’s the thing financing your ability to tour, which is primarily how artists make money nowadays. Factor into this Live Nation fees, work visas, gas prices, etc and artists are in an insanely precarious spot with little to fall back on because streaming, the main format, gives a fraction per stream.
Spotify helps them get out there but getting out there is far from the only thing that matters. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Weird that realizing the most basic thing about a business makes being scummy somehow more okay. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Given its a 32GB iPod, Columbia House might have still been around 😀 | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Spotify bought pandora in Australia | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Because things are more expensive now and I highly doubt these advertising companies have kept up even with inflation in terms of what they pay as a sponsor.
So, naturally, you need to put up more ads to keep up with rising costs. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Yeah it’s annoying on Spotify. Yo have to clear cache within the app | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
I guess so. Im a huge music fan. Sound quality is important to me but I think Spotify sounds just fine to me. Shit I grew up listening to cassette tapes. Think I care if the sound is not 100%? lol! | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
The fucking DJ is so annoying, it’s a terrible feature.
Also I pay for premium, why are there so many pop ups | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
the problem, as I understand it, is that in order to not get sued out of existence by a tiny tiny fraction of stakeholders in the Music Industry with massively massively deep pockets _who absolutely DO NO represent the best interests of artists_ (and they amassed all their fortunes by writing the book on how to exploit artists, long before Spotify was even a dream) they had to agree to these deals - and keep having to agree to these deals
because those lesser known artists don't have the leverage of a Taylor Swift or whomever and cannot actually force the Ticketmasters of the world to do/not-do anything - and immediately agreed to hand over all the rights to their music to such leeches, well before their music gets anywhere near Spotify
and where 1 artist may not have any leverage to force Spotify to give them a good deal, the _one guy_ who represents 1,000,000 artists does - and guess who he makes sure is the better paid out of those 1,000,001 people? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
So you're saying that you know the amount that spotify is paying in royalties and how that compares to their revenue?
And you know enough about Spotify's operating costs to confidently determine that their profitability comes down to this deficit as opposed to any other business decisions/actions? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
> Let's riot at 14
So next year? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
I tried to go back to Apple Music from Spotify after they signed that big contract with Joe Rogan. Sadly despite all the money Apple Music is still 100% garbage. It's barely better than iTunes was 20 years ago, which is barely better than SoundJam was when they bought it in the 90s. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Piracy is why the music industry allowed $10/month streaming in the first place. Spotify would never exist if it weren't for napster and bittorrent. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Guys, use "Spicetify". Thank me later <3 | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
>not enough people by cds anymore to go that route. bandcamps pay is better but even less people want to buy digital music than cds. at this point there isnt really anywhere to go besides trying to make money off merch and shows, which is a massive risk because a tour would cost me my day job and maybe wont even break even. so yea fuck spotify. the rest of the streaming platforms too.
Honest question: how is this Spotify’s fault? It seems to be consumer wants and behavior that’s driving this - ie. you can still sell CDs and put your stuff on bandcamp, but no one’s buying.
After CDs and before unlimited streaming most people I know pirated their music. Unlimited streaming at least somewhat offers a way to support artists while still making finding and playing music convenient for the consumer. I’d be curious to hear what your perspective is. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
I've used it as my daily driver for a couple years and I've only found a few niche artists or the ones already not on Spotify that aren't available. You can search their music, and there are services out there that will transfer all of your playlists over for only a couple bucks. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
I was thinking September | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Apple Music is the move. YouTube music wasn’t terrible either | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Spotify works fine for me except I can’t sort my playlists by most recently added on my phone, only on my computer. What the frick is that | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
>Nobody has come close to what Spotify offers.
There are like five other music streaming apps with similar catalogs and prices - Google, Amazon, Apple, etc all have their own version of it. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Not just the investors, but millions of listeners are happy, too. That's why they subscribe to it.
Been seeing a surge in anti-Spotify sentiment in just the recent weeks. Sure, the price hike isn't something anyone wants to see but....the magnitude and timing of the Spotify hate....
Makes me think there's a new service coming out and trying to sow some seeds of butthurt on Reddit in anticipation of the unveiling of said new service? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
I've been using YT Music since it was Google Music. Really great service that let's you upload your own music, play music from YT videos and generally work just as well as Spotify. I totally agree that it's clunky but not actually very difficult to use. It's just outclassed in UX compared to other options.
The only feature I would use that YT music is lacking is some form of shared listening so I can listen to something simultaneously with my wife when we ride bikes. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Until they jack the prices again. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
I flipped back to Apple Music and I found my music exploration just stopped. Their recommendation system is pretty clunky despite all the data they have. Their information on artists is lacking and overall it's just cloud connected iTunes. It could be a lot better, but Apple clearly isn't investing the time. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Gotta pay to hear Joe Rogan mentally wrestle with Terrence Howard somehow. Pay up | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
I’m still about that Pandora life. They don’t have it in Australia so I got a VPN just to carry on the good fight 🫡 | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
I have been very happy with YouTube music that comes with YouTube premium, which in turn came with Verizon service.
I also just got the giant apple family plan that comes with apple music, arcade, 2 TB cloud storage, and Apple tv. It is quite a bit more then Spotify's new rates, but if you would use anything else in the there it starts to be a decent price. I needed more cloud storage and to replace Spotify because of its BS account sharing lock outs even with the 2 person plan.
My favorite thing with the apple plan is there is an Apple Arcade game called song pop party and you can save the songs you like from it directly to an apple music playlist. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
What are you using for that? Like I'm all on board the *arr/Plex train and would like something for music. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Yes, they do. Spotify's royalties paid to record label are directly tied to a percentage of total revenue. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
If I had to get rid of all my subscriptions and only keep one, Spotify would be the one I keep. I use it every day for hours | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
The enshittification of every good thing that comes around all in the name of siphoning more wealth upwards is really making me increasingly bitter toward "capitalism" and I know I'm not the only one.
Capitalism can only be in favor among the bulk of the population if it's actually benefitting them. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
Thought I saw they were doing refunds for that | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
It's not even really the per album/song thing. Artists get almost no money from that anyway.
The issue is that these publicly-traded companies must *always* make more money this quarter than they did last quarter to keep their stock value rising. It's got little to do with the actual consumers. If Spotify makes 1 billion dollars in the next three months, they still have to make *more than 1 billion* in the three months after that to make sure their shareholders get increases in their investment.
It's not the listeners' fault at all, though Spotify will happily blame it on them. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
Tidal rules. Unlike every other streaming service, they actually *lowered* my monthly fee. I’ll never drop them. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
Only if you get on your hands and knees and beg three layers of service reps. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
I love YT Music, I just wish it had a lossless compression format, I understand why they can't but if they could it would be \*chef's kiss \* I despise giving Google money but god damn if they don't have everything and then some. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
Spotify just started playing the joe Rogan podcast when I got in my car the other day, completely on its own
I was like WTF? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
Youtube Premium is literally the best streaming service, BY FAR, out of every single option. Not only do you get Youtube ad-free, which has tens of millions of shows, movies, original content, actual Youtube content, shorts, anime series, etc, but you also get Youtube Music for free which has the entire catalog of human existence available. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
After Apple announced HiFi is included with standard Apple Music, it seems Spotify gave up on it because they can't charge extra for it anymore. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
I had tidal for years, and started experiencing problems with playback a couple of years ago.
That's one issue.
The other is the nutbag owner, pushing the shitty rap/tekkno garbage into your face, regardless if you are interested or not. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
Yes, you can do offline mode | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
If you pay for the highest tear, you get the flac. And it's real, very high quality audio. Can confirm with a proper hifi equipment here.
Not everything is available in highest quality, though. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
It's taking it's time stealing your data. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
You can use a web browser if you don't want to use an app | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
Not nearly as bad as Tidal used to be :D | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
People complaining about the hike, when they go out to eat and spend $100s on alcohol a week. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
Apple had the Beatles as an exclusive years before spotify had Joe Rogan. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
Apple Music family plan is now cheaper after this recent Spotify price increase | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
I hate this title trend. That's it. That's the comment. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
Yeah, folks are too hung up on the "price increase" part and assume that's our soul complaint.
I'm upset that we hear about price increased alongside news of mass layoffs and low artist pay, not that the price is increasing in and of itself.
Either the system can work where artists can see fair pay or it deserves to fail, not to be propped up by investor money. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
Also the sound quality sucks. Idk if it's a compression issue or what but everything on that app sounds off | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
I'm so happy that people are finally starting to see this. Spotify has had shitty practices since the start and every time I mention it always get downvoted into oblivion. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
I mean there’s a reason 44.1k at 16 bit is the standard, because we can’t hear much beyond those additive frequencies (~20kHz is human hearing limit, but additive/subtractive frequencies above that do add to the sound quality in our hearing range, idk how to say that properly). But because of those frequency relationships there’s value to recording at higher bit rates and bandwidth, then converting down to the lower bandwidth and bit depth for consumer use.
When I went to school and recorded in beautiful studios, or worked in live sound for a decade, I still had trouble hearing the difference when recording at higher rates once it was converted down, but I believe in the idea of it. I suppose if you convert it lower to say 8-bit you can certainly hear the loss, but it’s harder to notice at 16-bit/44.1k.
We would record audio for video 5.1/7.1 surround you use 48K/24-bit I could never tell the difference from 44.1/16-bit.
It’s been ten years since I changed careers and haven’t recorded at home for about 5, so anyone feel free to give more insight into it than my rudimentary explanation. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
Saaame. I like weird shit that often doesn't get published. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
Spotify is ass because they remove music (through no fault of their own but still).
Better to download music. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
I continue to pay for it because I have a family play that five other people use. Plus I do watch stuff on YouTube from time to time and it's worth it to not have ads. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
lol yup this made me look up tidal on the app store now | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
YT music also turns some youtube videos to songs on their platform, so some live versions are only found on YTM. I still miss when it was google play music but its pretty close. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
Why replace when you can simply Revance? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
Spotify family is $19.99
Apple Music family is $16.99
Youtube Music family is $16.99
So how exactly is it a STEAL? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
This is such a real attitude. Along with Spotify, I have cut off Amazon, and Comcast/Xfinity. It is a healthier life. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
I know YouTube music can be had for cheap if you VPN to other countries. Any annual plans you could do for family plans? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
sure - and I get that - but I was talking about GDP _in Rockefeller's day_, when it was much, much smaller - and, even in adjusted-for-inflation figures, the amount Musk has paid in taxes right now is actually comparable to the entire GDP _back then_
maybe it's an unfair comparison
but just in terms of the numbers, those are the two numbers that are closest to each other - his current tax bill NOW and the entire country's economy THEN | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
Funny how the smear campaign for Spotify is running rampant here. If you guys hate it, then it must be good so I'll stick with it. Thanks for your advice and remember your official motto: "You either die a liberal, or you live long enough to see yourself be called a bigot." | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
lol. You kids are so spoiled.
I am a musician and music nerd. I have music I’ve produced on Spotify (albeit a small former indie band). I have a respectable vinyl collection and buy new vinyl frequently.
Still. I pay <$25/mo for a family plan and my entire family gets to play damn near any song or album we can think of in an instant.
I used to spend more than that per month and get at most 2 albums.
Y’all are spoiled. Lol | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
How much is it a month? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
Start your own | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
Small bands like my own use DistroKid to just put us on every service. We absolutely don't make money, but it's all out there on everything. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
Ohhh, I didn’t know you could transfer playlists! Can you do that with liked songs too?? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
Because I pay for it for no ads on regular YouTube and so that my family also has no ads and they can use the music. The music is no longer why I am subscribed. I'm literally only subscribed because of the family plan that my family uses.
And I know it's not worth using because I've tried it a few times and there're quite a few things that really annoy me about it. One major one is it doesn't always play an actual studio upload of a song, it will stream from some random channel and the audio quality is shit. The audio quality overall is pretty subpar. I use tidal mainly because the audio quality is good and they pay artists more per stream than everyone but Napster. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
For those of you looking for a free alternative, don't forget you can run a Subsonic server on your home computer, and stream all of your own music for free via the phone app or web interface, just like Spotify. And you can do lossless! | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
Can we stop the "That's \_\_\_\_, that's the \_\_\_\_" it's so cringey | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
They wouldn’t have any money to tour otherwise though. The artists who rely on streaming revenue to finance their careers wouldn’t even have a career if it wasn’t for the streaming platform. The underground shit from 30 years ago was truly underground because no one heard of it. Underground music today still has 100,000 plays on Spotify. At least they have a chance.
A little bit of a something is better than all of nothing. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
Mobile interface sucks. Can’t add a song to queue while a second is playing (easily) | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
It's great but their podcast platform is awful. Have to use antenna pod in conjunction. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
Certain songs don’t cost more money. Think of Spotify as a pie: of all recordings played on Spotify, Sony has 30%, Universal 25%, Warner has 20%, for a random example, and a portion of Spotify’s revenues are paid out in such percentages. Then think of a smaller pie of that: Sony pays out of their 30% to their artists based on percentage of all Sony recordings played. A top Sony artist may get 10-15% of Sony’s 30% from Spotify. Numbers are made up but that’s the concept. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
I've been using tidal for a while. It's not the greatest but the sound quality makes a huge difference if you play a lot through reasonable stereo speakers. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
Curious what you do for government work? I've been debating getting into something civil service related. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
Yeah I'm not giving payment info for that without even seeing if my favorite stuff is on there first. Like I said it's a big red flag for me. Seems like people who are out to join a problem not solve a problem. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
It's a fine value if you don't mind paying for a service, don't mind not owning anything, and don't mind the experience of listening to music on Spotify.
Spotify's platform seems to be designed to reduce all music to a single sonic slurry that users can ingest with no effort or thought. I don't like what that does to my experience of music.
I appreciate Qobuz's approach, which stresses artists, albums, and genres, and recommendations.
I discover artists and albums on Qobuz. All I get from Spotify are playlists. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
I transferred my stuff to Apple Music tonight but just found out I can't easily log my listening habits to Lastfm like I can with Spotify :( | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
You're about right.
For audio production, higher sample rates are common, as is 24 bit. This helps with changes to the noise floor during the mixing and mastering process, as well as avoid artifacting that can be introduced by certain plugins when doing things like time/pitch shifting.
But once you're finished with that, resampling your project down to 44.1 khz/48 khz is completely lossless to the original sound. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
What didn't you like about it? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
So your argument is....
The artists make up any financial losses by being paid in exposure??? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
Why bother posting financial stuff when you don't even understand the basics. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
It’s the same price as Spotify currently with less content, why switch? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
Can you use it on Android Auto though? That's been keeping me with Spotify. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
There must be some account-level cache though | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
Skips constantly too | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
I don't mind people that don't like capitalism but dude, you're participating in it constantly. You can want change but it comes at a cost. The biggest drag on communism is that people need to essentially pay now for future value I.e invest and they simply can't afford to.
The country is essentially financed and the people need to buyout the financiers to create communism but can't or won't. Like, you want your electricity utility to be public? Fine, buy them out. You can't just take it. That's stealing. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
You really can’t make the next logical step of increased exposure = increased financial gain? More merch sales, bigger venues, a literal label deal, etc. Those can all happen because of an increase in exposure. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
I'm paying less than $180 a year to listen to anything I want whenever I want.
We could all go back to purchasing CDs and get maybe 12 of them for that price, just to fund out the B sides are fucking terrible. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
That's the wrong comparison though. Record companies used to have to print the discs, promote the artists, distribute them, etc. Distribution was the business.
A global information network solved distribution. You used to pay for the distribution of music you enjoyed. Not for music.
It used to cost more because it _was_ more. You have a massive library of music available to you for cheap because of an invention of Tim Berners Lee (and others, yes, I know) decades ago. Not because Spotify wrote a shitty mobile and desktop app.
The only thing Spotify is selling you, is legal access to the music. Their competition is the pirate bay, not the music industry 30 years ago. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
So... Yes then, that is your position.
Damn. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
Who gives a fuck. I just don't want to pay more money, not make sure Billie Eilish can buy another ferrari. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
then switch? no one is holding you on spotify. these are subscriptions. you can easily cancel one and try another one the next month. it would take you a few minutes to cancel and signup.
if you want all the features of spotify, than pay for spotify. we have the power of our wallets. don't like the price, don't buy it. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
Fair enough, nobody really competes with Tidal on sound quality if it's important enough to you to notice the difference.
I will say though that the only times I've run into YTM defaulting to some random shitty source for a song is when it's on a manual playlist that I didn't make. I've never seen it come up in recommendations, auto playlists, or radio mixes. And rarely in search results.
Compared to Spotify all of that YTM content from official releases is equal or better sound quality. Still comes in behind Tidal though. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
There are more people making a living off of music right now than at any other point in history. You can’t tell me that streaming *only* hurts artists, yet we also have more artists than ever once streaming came about.
Maybe the average artist doesn’t make as much now, but it’s damn sure easier to get your name out there now than it was 20+ years ago. You cannot tell me that counts for nothing in your mind.
Blame the labels not paying out artists as well or the scummy livenation fees eating up ticket revenue. Those seem to me much more one sided in terms of only hurting the artist and not providing equal value in return. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
It feels pretty disingenuous to hand wave all the competition away as “dogshit.” I use both Spotify and Apple Music, and I honestly feel that they trade blows features-wise.
Spotify doesn’t allow me to add and sync music files from external sources, edit metadata, or make smart playlists. This is pretty huge if you want to manage your own library of music you’ve collected. Spotify also doesn’t have spatial or lossless audio (and I can very much appreciate the audio quality increase in Apple Music). Spotify doesn’t have music videos either. And one of the biggest benefits of Apple Music is their separate classical app, it is seriously worlds apart from the Spotify experience (imo). That alone is worth it for me.
That’s all to say that there are many legitimate reasons to prefer alternatives. They’re just different, maybe not everything is “dogshit” and instead it could just not be to your liking. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-06-06 |
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