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re jewish baseball players in article qkkodinn f jhunix hcf jhu edu pablo jhunix hcf jhu edu pablo a iglesias writes in article apr lafibm lafayette edu vb lafibm lafayette edu vb writes just wondering a friend and i were talking the other day and we were for some reason trying to come up with names of jewish baseball players past and present we weren t able to come up with much except for sandy koufax somebody stankowitz and maybe john lowenstein can anyone come up with any more i know it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this but humor us thanks for your help hank greenberg would have to be the most famous because his jewish faith actually affected his play missing late season or was it world series games because of yom kippur the other jewish hof er is rod carew who converted lowenstein is jewish as well as montana s only representative to the major leagues undeserving cy young award winner steve stone is jewish between stone koufax ken holtzman might have the wrong pitcher i m thinking of the one who threw a no hitter in both the al and nl and big ed reulbach that s quite a starting rotation moe berg can catch harry steinfeldt the b in the tinkers evers chance infield is stanky jewish or is that just a dave cohen kinda misinterpretation whatever doesn t look like he stuck around the majors too long ted frank thf kimbark uchicago edu i m sorry the card says moops the u of c law school standard disclaimers
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re i ve found the secret in article apr cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu edward ted fischer writes why are the red sox in first place eight games into the season they already have two wins each from clemens and viola clemens starts again tonight on three days rest what s up are the sox going with a four man rotation is this why hesketh was used in relief last night clemens is going on his normal four days rest last pitched saturday hesketh only pitched one inning yesterday afternoon his first outing since an aborted inning start days before so he should be plenty rested to go in his expected turn this saturday as the th starter not that this is a good thing of course i d like to see a well managed four man rotation with this team glenn waugaman digital equipment corporation littleton ma g waugaman nac enet dec com
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re jewish baseball players in article apr lafibm lafayette edu vb lafibm lafayette edu vb writes just wondering a friend and i were talking the other day and we were for some reason trying to come up with names of jewish baseball players past and present we weren t able to come up with much except for sandy koufax somebody stankowitz and it s stankiewicz not stankowitz and he s not jewish he s polish by the way the correct pronunciation according to stanky himself is ston kev itch all the sportscasters get it wrong maybe john lowenstein can anyone come up with any more i know it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this but humor us thanks for your help the only other jewish ballplayer i can think of is ron blomberg who is best known as being the first dh to appear in a major league ballgame alan
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re jewish baseball players in article apr lafibm lafayette edu vb lafibm lafayette edu vb writes just wondering a friend and i were talking the other day and we were for some reason trying to come up with names of jewish baseball players past and present we weren t able to come up with much except for sandy koufax somebody stankowitz and maybe john lowenstein can anyone come up with any more i know it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this but humor us thanks for your help hank greenberg sid gordon ron blomberg guess it goes from the sublime to the ridiculous
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re old predictions to laugh at edward ted fischer writes robert c hite writes dead wrong last time i checked jim fregosi was still managing the phillies and doing quite a fine job thank you best record in baseball at look asshole i got him confused with somebody else i didn t flame you and i would appreciate it if you extended me the same courtesy what is your problem hite s post wasn t a flame it was a correction of your error your reply was a flame no i don t know everything in the world does that surprise you not in the least steve novak ban the bomb ban the pope steven advtech uswest com
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re braves pitching updatedir in article apr adobe com snichols adobe com sherri nichols writes in article apr pts mot com ep dn pts mot com writes this certainly passes the common sense test for me but is there any statistical evidence to say what percent of defense is pitching and what percent is fielding not yet i wish there were it s much more difficult to tease these apart than to tease apart scoring runs and preventing runs and thus we come to one of the true beauties of baseball these things along with many others will never be separated almost everything in baseball is situational and interdependent this is what allows us to carry on all the arguments that we have if everything could be explained and balanced on a statistical basis none of the wonder and mystery would be left why we might have to resort to just going out the ballyard and enjoy the game itself paul feeling a little anti stathead today we will stretch no farm animal beyond its natural length paula koufax cv hp com paul andresen hewlett packard home nw mckinley corvallis or a sabr member since
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re a true story way to go omar in article apr esca com vigil esca com sandra vigil writes yesterday april th a friend and i were discussing the theory put forth by a local sports radio station personality that the commissioner less baseball owners had snuck a live ball into this years baseball games in an effort to increase home run numbers and attract fans it s always possible but if this is the case i think that there is some blatant discrimination going on here clearly selig is allowing the opposition to use pre baseballs against the dodgers well guess who stepped up to the plate for his first career grand slam last night against the jays none other than my boy it was truly a sight to behold and almost more impressive was that he also got an intentional walk we will stretch no farm animal beyond its natural length paula koufax cv hp com paul andresen hewlett packard home nw mckinley corvallis or a sabr member since
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re and america s team is but why kingoz camelot bradley edu orin roth writes well officially it s the braves at least up until they started winning it was are they still officially if so why and how did they receive this label my understanding was that ted turner owner of the braves started running his tv station nationwide and started running all of his team s games on his nationwide tv station he dubbed his team america s team that is the only team at least at the time all of whose games could be seen across america now wor is nationwide out of beautiful secaucus but not all mets games are on wor wgn chicago and wsbk boston are two other superstations at least they are on the east coast i don t know how many cubs sox sox games they show hymie hymowitz cs jhu edu i ll be mellow when i m dead weird al yankovic you get your mellow laid back attitude from sonny the cuckoo bird josh about me
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re super tough baseball trivia in article apr ncar ucar edu amj rsf atd ucar edu anthony michael jivoin writes in the bruce springsteen video glory days from the born in the usa album they show two quick shots of a baseball game on television in the bar bruce and the e street band are playing name the teams which stadium who is the pitcher what two batters go down swinging also at the end of the video bruce is throwing at a wooden strike zone and his last pitch a young boy lines a base hit into center as bruce and the kid walk of the field the kid asks him how he did today bruce mentions the team he was playing and that a certain player got him in the bottom of the ninth name the player and the team sandiego and graig nettles if anyone gets these i ll be impressed anthony m jivoin national center for atmospheric research rsf atd fl p o box boulder co
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mlb standings and scores for sat apr th mlb standings and scores for satruday april th including yesterday s games national west won lost pct gb last streak home road san francisco giants won houston astros won atlanta braves lost los angeles dodgers won colorado rockies lost san diego padres won cincinnati reds lost national east philadelphia phillies lost pittsburgh pirates lost st louis cardinals lost new york mets won chicago cubs won montreal expos won florida marlins lost american west won lost pct gb last streak home road texas rangers lost california angels lost chicago white sox won minnesota twins won oakland athletics lost seattle mariners lost kansas city royals lost american east boston red sox lost new york yankees won detroit tigers won toronto blue jays lost cleveland indians won baltimore orioles won milwaukee brewers lost yesterday s scores idle teams listed in alphabetical order national league american league new york mets chicago white sox cincinnati reds boston red sox florida marlins california angels houston astros baltimore orioles philadelphia phillies kansas city royals chicago cubs minnesota twins colorado rockies seattle mariners montreal expos detroit tigers pittsburgh pirates toronto blue jays los angeles dodgers cleveland indians atlanta braves texas rangers san francisco giants new york yankees st louis cardinals oakland athletics ppd san diego padres milwaukee brewers rain joseph hernandez rams lakers jtchern ocf berkeley edu kings dodgers raiders jtcent soda berkeley edu angels clippers
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re jewish baseball players in article apr scott skidmore edu jrogoff scott skidmore edu jay rogoff writes there is a book that you can find in sale catalogues occasionally called jewish baseball stars and baseball mavin peter bjarkman has compiled a pretty definitive list of jewish ballplayers in the bigs i wish i hadn t sold my copy of jewish baseball stars it s a short shelf i e the one on top of the toilet tank special the writing in that books is so astonishingly awful every sportswriting cliche taken to the nth degree and then mangled that it s funny rusinow is the author i think roger
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re phills vs pirates i hate to be the burden of bad news but i think i will this time the phillies usually play at either p m or p m eastern time for weekdays on sundays the time is usually p m eastern time boise is in idaho idaho is in part of the mountain time zone and in part of the pacific time zone the times that were given were for mountain time zone starts please check a map in case i am wrong but i am certain that boise is in the mountain time zone thanks for listening the shep
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re jewish broadcasters was jewish baseball players in article c mu z hh unix amherst edu ddsokol unix amherst edu d daniel sokol writes roger lustig roger crux princeton edu wrote in article apr acad drake edu sbp acad drake edu writes in article c l zs n world std com eastgate world std com mark bernstein writes for that matter how many gentleman of the press box have been jewish the only jewish sportscaster that comes to mind is steve williams who had a phillies show on kyw in philadelphia in the s howard cosell is one who comes to mind gee d ya think len berman s jewish how about steve stone of wgn who does the cubs we already got him under pitchers overrated jewish or tony korhiezer and shirly povich maury s dad of the washington post probably is shirley p still alive just wondering roger danny
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re let s talk phillies in article apr adobe com snichols adobe com sherri nichols writes in article apr leland stanford edu eechen leland stanford edu emery ethan chen writes one phrase for you you thanks perhaps it s time to start rec sport baseball graffiti where the kiddies can go yell taunts and insults at each other and leave the rest of us in peace sherri nichols snichols adobe com well sherri i d agree with you except that most kiddies have more sense than to spew their obscenities in front of a group of adults i try to edit this newsgroup and feed it to one of the local elementary schools they have a group of students that just love baseball and are learning to use computers but i m telling you it s gotten to the point that i don t even edit the files anymore just read them and throw out the trash and thanks to all you people that think it s wonderful to include a swear word or two in your signature files that s really nice i have to read the whole article and then toss it out because of the sig don t get me wrong i know all the words you do and i ve even made up some of my own or i wouldn t be able to edit them out but this just doesn t seem to be the place a public forum to spew foul language sorry thanks to all you people that keep in mind there might be some decent young people interested in baseball and computers reading this newsgroup they enjoy your articles phil
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re what s with all these scores in article qp m innfjg senator bedfellow mit edu cmk athena mit edu charles m kozierok writes in article apr news yale edu sean garrison writes stuff about upated inning scores deleted at just that exact time to see the message even results after the game is over are not necessary thanks to mr hernandez who posts daily standings and results here every day am i supposed to take that as a compliment or a put down just wondering i do this as a service to the entire baseball world on usenet especially for those in the east coast who can t get final scores for west coast games in their newspapers or late tv newscasts this is helpful to fans in other countries who either receive only weekly scores or updates by the week also many have requested for this kind of service previously but it was only available through bbs s or some pay news services by the way mine is free of charge and has no copyright restrictions if you want to send updates and scores set up a private mailing list and use that remember i only post final scores and the updated standings once a day to the rec sport baseball newsgroup other than that everything is done through private e mail currently there are people on my mailing list that branches off into other mailing lists available for many others and the list grows by an average of people a day if people on usenet really don t want to see the postings i do to rec sport baseball on a daily basis please just let me know if the response is overwhelming against the posts i won t do it anymore thanks for your time joseph hernandez joseph hernandez rams lakers jtchern ocf berkeley edu kings dodgers raiders jtcent soda berkeley edu angels clippers
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re and america s team is but why in article kingoz camelot kingoz camelot bradley edu orin roth writes well officially it s the braves at least up until they started winning it was are they still officially if so why and how did they receive this label probably because everyone that is everyone who has cable can watch every braves game they are the only team that has all of its games broadcast nationwide and if you don t like your local team or you don t have a local team the braves can kind of become your local team because you can watch them every day i m outta here like vladimir alan what s this this is ice this is what happens to water when it gets too cold this this is kent this is what happens to people when they get too sexually frustrated val kilmer real genius
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sandberg update won t be long now hi all you ryno fans and those interested todays chicago tribune had this written in it today in regards to ryne sandberg ryne sandberg is ahead of schedule in his recovery from a broken left hand and could be back in the lineup by may manager jim lefebvre said friday doctors cleared sandberg to swing a padded bat at a ball in his gloved hand i m not surprised his rehabilitation has been moved up said lefebvre he s a fast healer and he doesn t like being on the disabled list he s been running since he was hurt march and is in the best shape of his life may is his target date for getting back in the lineup hold on to your hats cub fans more later as information presents itself jeffery
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how to keep score like the officials hello all i d like to learn how to keep score when i watch ball games using official scoring methods where can i get scoresheets and instructions on how to use them i appreciate it mike hofstadter s law it always takes michael wilson longer than you think even if you idoy crux cit cornell edu take into account hofstadter s law douglas hofstadter
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ryno correction i made a mistake on the posted article been fighting food poisoning for last hours the second paragraph should state the following doctors cleared sandberg to swing a padded bat at a ball on a tee and to catch a ball in his gloved hand sorry for the error didn t know it until after posting jeffery
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re defensive averages shortstop in article steph pegasus cs uiuc edu steph pegasus cs uiuc edu dale stephenson writes smith ozzie the wizard s is the second highest year ever still very good but i don t like the way his numbers have declined every year in a few years may be a defensive liability that s rich ozzie smith a defensive liability brett rogers addison leland stanford edu
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re surgery for hal morris and then cjkuo symantec com jimmy kuo quoth does it strike anyone else how silly it is to impose a game suspension on morris let s see i expect to be back june th how many games do we play before june th take me off the dl games before june th it would be a lot more meaningful if the suspension went into effect some number of games after he came back well either way the reds have to play a man down for days jason lee jplee oboe calpoly edu jlee cash busfac calpoly edu giants e i pi the most beautiful equation in mathematics magic for all sad words of tongue and pen the saddest are these number it might have been john greenleaf whittier
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re and america s team is but why kingoz camelot bradley edu orin roth writes well my guess is because america loves underdogs every year no matter the cubs talent or the predictions they never as close to never as possible win anything over the years as the losing has mounted america has fallen in love with these perennial losers the cubs have more fans in chicago then some teams do worldwide the cubs have more fans worldwide than most of the teams in their division combined an aura of excitement surrounds the cubs at the beginning of the season like no one else including the ws champs it must be that eternal hope actually i admired the spirit of the fan at the cubs opener several years ago who held up a sign that said wait till next year eric smith he threatened me if it was a president of the erics netcom com united states you d investigate what s the erics infoserv com difference i m a comedian of the united states ci jerry seinfeld
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re royals in randall moose randall informix com randall rhea writes the royals are darkness they are the void of our time when they play shame descends upon the land like a cold front from canada they are a humiliation to all who have lived and all who shall ever live they are utterly and completely doomed other than that i guess they re ok oh lighten up what depresses me is that they might actually finish last which i believe hasn t happened since their second season in never mind that gubizca is with a era gardner at our main recent acquisitions lind mcreynolds jose are averaging david cone is about how he was doing in kc before joining the mets several years ago our hitting sucks and our pitching has collapsed and we ve won one game at home they ve won more games in their first ten games than last year and brian mcrae is actually batting over the mendoza line rich
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re defensive averages shortstop in article apr leland stanford edu addison leland stanford edu brett rogers writes in article steph pegasus cs uiuc edu steph pegasus cs uiuc edu dale stephenson writes smith ozzie the wizard s is the second highest year ever still very good but i don t like the way his numbers have declined every year in a few years may be a defensive liability that s rich ozzie smith a defensive liability why not brooks robinson is a defensive liability too and ted williams is a weak hitter even great players decline as they age valentine
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re tribune times in article c c ja amb unix amherst edu ddsokol unix amherst edu d daniel sokol writes pjtier ulkyvx louisville edu wrote is the chicago tribune baseball coverage any good does the new york times have daily coverage boxscores i don t know about the tribune but the times has daily coverage and boxscores of course they have special emphasis on the yankees and mets beware the original poster looks to be from louisville and chances are louisville gets the edition of the nytimes that is printed in chicago for the midwest this edition has boxscores only on monday and sunday and an extremely skimpy sports section few game summaries mostly just color stories bradley w brock department of mathematics rose hulman institute of technology resist not evil love your enemies brock nextwork rose hulman edu some nazarene carpenter
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ozzie smith a defensive liability in article apr leland stanford edu addison leland stanford edu brett rogers writes in article steph pegasus cs uiuc edu steph pegasus cs uiuc edu dale stephenson writes smith ozzie the wizard s is the second highest year ever still very good but i don t like the way his numbers have declined every year in a few years may be a defensive liability that s rich ozzie smith a defensive liability why do you expect him to remain the best shortstop in the game until he reaches his seventy third birthday or something why is it such a strange concept that a forty one year old ozzie smith might be a defensive liability in ted frank thf kimbark uchicago edu i m sorry the card says moops the u of c law school standard disclaimers
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re phills vs pirates mlb m pit phi monday pittsburg at philadelphia pm tuesday pittsburg at philadelphia pm wednesday pittsburg at philadelphia pm friday philadelphia at pittsburg pm saturday philadelphia at pittsburg pm sunday philadelphia at pittsburg am friday pittsburg at philadelphia pm saturday pittsburg at philadelphia pm sunday pittsburg at philadelphia am monday philadelphia at pittsburg pm tuesday philadelphia at pittsburg pm wednesday philadelphia at pittsburg pm thursday philadelphia at pittsburg pm are these times correct they seem as if they are hrs ahead of the usual tiems for these two teams the origin of that first message was boise which is on central time p tierney whoops i meant mountain time p tierney
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re defensive averages shortstop in article apr leland stanford edu addison leland stanford edu brett rogers writes in article steph pegasus cs uiuc edu steph pegasus cs uiuc edu dale stephenson writes smith ozzie the wizard s is the second highest year ever still very good but i don t like the way his numbers have declined every year in a few years may be a defensive liability that s rich ozzie smith a defensive liability why do you suppose he s immune to the ravages of time he s in a few years he ll be he doesn t get to as many grounders as he used to and will get to fewer still as his legs go as they do on every human so far remember willie mays was a defensive liability at he end of his career too ditto mickey mantle ditto just about everyone else who played into their late s roger brett rogers addison leland stanford edu
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re what s with all these scores in article qplh e g agate berkeley edu jtchern ocf berkeley edu joseph hernandez writes in article qp m innfjg senator bedfellow mit edu cmk athena mit edu charles m kozierok writes in article apr news yale edu sean garrison writes stuff about upated inning scores deleted at just that exact time to see the message even results after the game is over are not necessary thanks to mr hernandez who posts daily standings and results here every day am i supposed to take that as a compliment or a put down just wondering it was meant entirely as a compliment i do this as a service to the entire baseball world on usenet especially for those in the east coast who can t get final scores for west coast games in their newspapers or late tv newscasts this is helpful to fans in other countries who either receive only weekly scores or updates by the week also many have requested for this kind of service previously but it was only available through bbs s or some pay news services by the way mine is free of charge and has no copyright restrictions i was not trying to criticize your service at all in fact i was trying to encourage others to use it i don t personally use it but i m sure others do and that was my point in posting there is no need for individuals to duplicate in an ad hoc fashion what you have already organized if you want to send updates and scores set up a private mailing list and use that remember i only post final scores and the updated standings once a day to the rec sport baseball newsgroup other than that everything is done through private e mail currently there are people on my mailing list that branches off into other mailing lists available for many others and the list grows by an average of people a day having one person such as yourself who does it is a great idea having do it is not that s all keep up the good work joseph charles
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re and america s team is but why in article kingoz camelot kingoz camelot bradley edu orin roth writes well officially it s the braves at least up until they started winning it was are they still officially if so why and how did they receive this label there is no team repeat no team that is america s team this is a diverse country with mlb teams up north and there is no one team that is america s who would the other teams belong to and how does it happen well teams receive this monicker through success cowboys national exposure cubs or both braves it spreas aby successful advertising campaigns harry caray ted turner amd other dupe people into thinking that their representative teams are hip so that people will watch them on tv and buy their products arrogant local fans adapt the monicker and think that their team is the one that america idolize it comes down to dollars and egos p tierney
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re kevin rogers hpcc rec sport baseball pjtier ulkyvx louisville edu pm apr what s up with kevin rogers of san francisco i thought he was slated to be the fifth starter but he s only gotten a few relief appearences are they going with four starters for now or is someone else the fifth thanks p tierney giant s have a five man rotation of john burkett trevor wilson bill swift jeff brantley and bud black dave burba black has been put on the day disables and dave burba will take his starts
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mel hall has anyone heard anything about mel hall this season i d heard he wasn t with the yankees any more what happened to him doug dolven doug dolven warped cs montana edu gdd trex oscs montana edu
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re the mets are rapists writes in the new book about the mets it talks about how they like to rape little girls before games sick jerks max is this the book by bob klapisch spelling the worst team money can buy if it is i wouldn t give the book or anything in it any value whatsoever klapisch wrote the book to make money obviously and sensational literature is going to sell a lot better than what he usually writes for the papers i m not calling him a liar but if there was any proof that a met player had raped a little girl before a game let alone doing it on a regular basis they would be in jail not shea for those people who do not know what the press is like in new york it is probably more cut throat than in just about any other part of the u s keith hernandez said it very well on espn a couple of days ago they would much rather mention a clubhouse fight than a two run homer in the ninth to win a game i do not read klapisch s news columns regularly but i do know that he has been accused before as being an instigator that enjoys hopefully for only professional reasons to drumb up a news story even if there isn t one there now as far as the confrontation with bobby bonilla a few days ago i almost totally blame bonilla no matter what a member of the press does and no matter how much of a putrid individual he might be that does not give a ballplayer the right to threaten a journalist personally i always thought that a beat writer that always follows a club around should report the news but not be looking to degrade a team i don t know whether to blame klapisch because that may be the only way to keep a job in new york
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re mel hall warped cs montana edu writes has anyone heard anything about mel hall this season i d heard he wasn t with the yankees any more what happened to him doug dolven japan i think
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re mel hall in article apr coe montana edu warped cs montana edu doug dolven writes has anyone heard anything about mel hall this season i d heard he wasn t with the yankees any more what happened to him doug dolven doug dolven warped cs montana edu gdd trex oscs montana edu mel hall signed with a japanese team mike mike columbia edu
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re braves pitching updatedir in article c l c lc murdoch acc virginia edu david robert walker writes in article blue cis pitt edu traven pitt edu neal traven writes one also has to separate offense into batting and baserunning with the split probably somewhere around and i d give baserunning a little more credit than that maybe or even give a team of roberto alomar and a team of john oleruds identical batting stats which wouldn t be that unreasonable and even if you don t let roberto steal a single base they ll score a lot more than the oleruds by going first to third more often no offense gordon i wouldn t give baserunning that much value the above effect is clear but there are other effects as well if olerud hits a double any runner on first will score if alomar legs an extra base onto a hit in the gap the runner on first may need to hold at third thus olerud s doubles have more advancement value than alomar s of course alomar is more likely to score after hitting a double another reason not to give too much extra value to baserunning is that the runs created formulas work for very fast and very slow teams no team in the s ran much but some teams certainly had faster players than others still the current runs created formulas work just as well in the s for all teams bill james gives the senators as an example they used harmon killebrew regularly as a pinch runner and in stole bases with times caught stealing yet they scored slightly more runs than predicted by runs created david grabiner grabiner zariski harvard edu we are sorry but the number you have dialed is imaginary please rotate your phone degrees and try again disclaimer i speak for no one and no one speaks for me
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re dave kingman for the hall of fame in article mssc k w gqe netcom com mss netcom com mark singer writes i m no kingman fan just thought i d point out that he s the only player in history to have five three hr games joe carter has four eddie murray three mccovey and gehrig also three ruth mays foxx and dawson two each johnny mize had six three hr games which is the current record bob holt rjh allegra att com
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re fenway gif i d love to see a shea stadium gif sean behind the bag vin scully
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re what s with all these scores in article qplh e g agate berkeley edu jtchern ocf berkeley edu joseph hernandez wrote if people on usenet really don t want to see the postings i do to rec sport baseball on a daily basis please just let me know if the response is overwhelming against the posts i won t do it anymore thanks for your time joseph hernandez mr hernandez i apologize for the misunderstanding i explained that i know that it is essential for some fans to get scores here for they cannot get them elsewhere i have no problem with what you do posting scores after the games have been completed however like i said earlier i don t think it is a necessity to post scores during the middle of games like some others have come to practice sean
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re all time best players in article apr ns cc lehigh edu jsr ns cc lehigh edu john stephen randolph writes in article apr bsu ucs mbstultz leo bsuvc bsu edu writes i ve recently been working on project to determine the greatest players at their respective postions my sources are total baseball james historical abstract the ballplayers biography word of mouth and my own biased opinions feel free to comment suggest flame whatever but i tried to be as objective as possible using statistical data not inlcuded for time convience s sake i judged on rel ba adj ops total average fielding range runs total player rating total baseball stolen bases for curiosity s sake tpr g and years played mvp b mike schmidt ed matthews one t in eddie mathews george brett wade boggs ron santo brooks robinson frank baker darrell evans pie traynor ray dandridge how can brooks be i think he would at least be ahead of ron santo because a small advantage in fielding ability comes nowhere near making up for the large difference in hitting their average seasons using their combined average ab bb per games years ab h r b b hr rbi tb bb avg obp slg ops santo robinson fielding we have per games at third years p a dp e pct santo robinson even if robinson s extra putouts assists and dps are taken to mean he was responsible for more outs in the field that doesn t make up for the extra outs he made at the plate not to mention the fewer total bases the difference of in ops should be decreased by about to account for wrigley but a difference is still considerable the thorn palmer ratings are adjusted adjusted stolen fielding total production batting runs base runs runs rating santo robinson usual disclaimers about t p s fr apply but they really shouldn t be way off the mark in this comparison at least it s better than fielding percentage carney lansford has a th best all time but fr dead last of all time also since this total rating compares players to league average instead of replacement level robinson should be awarded an extra or so for playing more games he had a great career but i would prefer santo s plus years of a replacement level bman but i would knock traynor off the list and replace him by stan hack that s a similar story hack s far better hitting outweighs traynor s superior fielding graig nettles and buddy bell would also be better choices imho of course though some recent net discussion supports this point of view cf andre dawson shouldn t that be right field bob holt rjh allegra att com
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re braves pitching updatedir grabiner math harvard edu david grabiner writes in article c l c lc murdoch acc virginia edu david robert walker writes in article blue cis pitt edu traven pitt edu neal traven writes one also has to separate offense into batting and baserunning with the split probably somewhere around and i d give baserunning a little more credit than that maybe or even give a team of roberto alomar and a team of john oleruds identical batting stats which wouldn t be that unreasonable and even if you don t let roberto steal a single base they ll score a lot more than the oleruds by going first to third more often no offense gordon i wouldn t give baserunning that much value i meant to comment on this at the time there s just no way baserunning could be that important if it was runs created wouldn t be nearly as accurate as it is runs created is usually about accurate on a team level and there s a lot more than baserunning that has to account for the remaining percent greg
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hits stolen second base disclaimer this is for fun in my computerized baseball game i keep track of a category called stolen hits defined as a play made that an average fielder would not make with average effort using the defensive averages posted by sherri nichols thanks sherri i ve figured out some defensive stats for the second basemen hits stolen have been redefined as plays kurt stillwell would not have made ok i realize that s unfair kurt s probably the victim of pitching staff fluke shots and a monster park factor but let s put it this way if we replaced every second baseman in the nl with someone with kurt s out making ability how many extra hits would go by to try and correlate it to reality a little more i ve calculated net hits stolen based on the number of outs made compared to what a league average fielder would make by the same method i ve calculated net double plays and net extra bases doubles and triples let by finally i throw all this into a a formula i call defensive contribution or dcon basically it represents the defensive contribution of a player i add this number to ops to get dops defense onbase plus slug which should represent the player s total contribution to the team so don t take it too seriously the formula for dcon appears at the end of this article the short version definition of terms hs hits stolen extra outs compared to kurt stillwell nhs net hits stolen extra outs compared to average fielder ndp net double plays extra double plays turned compared to avg fielder neb net extra bases extra bases prevented compared to avg fielder dcon defensive contribution bases and hits prevented as a rate dops dcon ops quick dirty measure of player s total contribution national league name hs nhs ndp neb dcon dops alicea l sandberg r thompson r lind j doran b deshields d harris l lemke m morandini m randolph w biggio c stillwell k ordered by dops sandberg alicea thompson deshields doran nl average biggio harris randolph morandini lemke lind stillwell american league name hs nhs ndp neb dcon dops fletcher s reed j ripken b baerga c blankenship l miller k alomar r knoblauch c bordick m kelly p whitaker l reynolds h sax s sojo l order by dops baerga alomar fletcher whitaker blankenship miller knoblauch reed bordick al average kelly ripken reynolds sojo sax more discussion dcon formula nhs ndp pa nhs ndp neb ab why such a bizzare formula basically it s designed to be added into the ops with the idea that a run prevented is as important as a run scored the extra outs are factored into obp while the extra bases removed are factored into slg that s why i used pa and ab as the divisors for more discussion see the post on hits stolen first base dale j stephenson steph cs uiuc edu baseball fanatic it is considered good to look wise especially when not overburdened with information j golden kimball
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re old predictions to laugh at steve novak writes edward ted fischer writes robert c hite writes dead wrong last time i checked jim fregosi was still managing the phillies and doing quite a fine job thank you best record in baseball at look asshole i got him confused with somebody else i didn t flame you and i would appreciate it if you extended me the same courtesy what is your problem hite s post wasn t a flame it was a correction of your error that last was me steve novak i ve since read the entire original posting by hite mr fischer was actually restrained let mr hite hope he never makes some similar tiny mistake steve novak ban the bomb ban the pope steven advtech uswest com
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re mel hall in article apr coe montana edu warped cs montana edu doug dolven writes has anyone heard anything about mel hall this season i d heard he wasn t with the yankees any more what happened to him doug dolven mel is alive and well and playing in japan the yanks let him go because he was asking for too much money and because they thought that they were going to get barry bonds making hall obsolete oopsie well at least they got o neill to replace the mel man i m outta here like vladimir alan scene from real genius where val kilmer is trying to pick up a gorgeous blonde val so if there s anything i can do for you or more to the point to you you just let me know blonde can you hammer a six inch spike through a board with your penis val not right now no blonde a girl s gotta have her standards she walks away
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jack morris as of today april jack morris has lost his first three starts however the jays are doing well without him and injured dave stuart this is a credit to the rest of the pitching staff has jack lost a bit of his edge what is the worst start jack morris has had
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re dodgers take straight from pirates in article qqob innqev mizar usc edu pcaster mizar usc edu dodger writes davis and strawberry attributed their turn arounds to reggie smith the dodger batting coach who flew in from florida three days ago and gave them a pep talk and some instruction davis was yesterday and had a couple more hits today strawberry had two hits yesterday and i believe he had two more today with two home runs foolish me and here i thought it had something to do with the fact that they were hitting against wakefield who had no kncukle to his ball that day and otto who has no stuff i wonder if reggie gave the same pep talk and instruction to the rest of the lineup who also suddenly came alive those two games the beastmaster mark singer mss netcom com
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official rules of baseball isbn i am trying to get a copy of the official rules of baseball someone once sent me the isbn number of it but i have since lost it can anyone give me this information or tell me where i can find the book none of my local bookstores have it i m walking home from school and i m watching jack mckinney some men building a new house and the guy ham jmckinney tamu edu mering on the roof calls me a paranoid little weirdo in morse code this space emo philips for rent
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re nl vs al doug roberts ken hill for nl mvp let s go spos
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re jewish baseball players in article apr princeton edu roger astro princeton edu roger lustig writes in article apr husc harvard edu fry zariski harvard edu david fry writes once on jeopardy the category was jewish sports heros believe it or not the answer was this pitcher had four no hitters with the dodgers in the s the contestant said who is hank aaron alex trebek said something like i don t think hank aaron was a pitcher well it is a jewish name roger that s right remember hank greenberg
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re mel hall in article apr coe montana edu warped cs montana edu doug dolven writes has anyone heard anything about mel hall this season i d heard he wasn t with the yankees any more what happened to him he is in japan playing baseball tom gwitt gwittt alleg edu
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re sandberg runs rbis was re notes on jays vs indians series in article c jqby m a news rich bnr ca bratt crchh a nosubdomain nodomain john bratt writes rbis and runs scored are the two most important offensive statistics you can talk about obp and slg all you want but the fact remains the team that scores more runs wins the game flame away john bratt ok you asked for it i guess that doesn t bode well for the cubs then does it doug roberts willing to trade frank bolick for a bag of used baseballs let s go expos
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re and america s team is but why kingoz camelot bradley edu orin roth writes well officially it s the braves at least up until they started winning it was are they still officially if so why and how did they receive this label unoffically but without a doubt america s team is the cubs why well my guess is because america loves underdogs every year no matter the cubs talent or the predictions they never as close to never as possible win anything over the years as the losing has mounted america has fallen in love with these perennial losers the cubs have more fans in chicago then some teams do worldwide the cubs have more fans worldwide than most of the teams in their division combined an aura of excitement surrounds the cubs at the beginning of the season like no one else including the ws champs it must be that eternal hope this is the year they ve got the talent they re off to a good start they ve got the pitching or hitting or whatever their strong point is at the time it s that inevitability that the cubs will eventually win the ws again when only god knows since it s been so long it could come at any time or it could be another years but until they do finally win and start winning consistently the cubs will remain america s lovable underdogs the cubs are america s team orin bradley u the defenition of the underdog is a team that has no talent and comes out of nowhere to contend the mets and orioles are prime examples not the cubs i root for the cubs because i feel sorry for them but basically they are dogs the pirates today are a great example of an underdog if the rockies and marlins compete they will be underdogs the north stars trip to the stanley cup finals was a good example of an underdog s journey the cubs have a good team this year and play in a weak division they are much less than america s team i m really a jester in disguise chintan amin the university of illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu neil peart c quick to judge quick to anger slow to understand ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand
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tigers pound mariners were they palying football or baseball in detroit on saturday from looking at the school some people may think it was football between two games this week the tigers scored runs the offense can carry them i hope the pitching will hold out i was at camden yards yesterday everytime i looked up the score was getting higher what a great site it was to see the tigers kicking butt while enjoying a game at camden yards go tigers and go tony phillips
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scott erickson does anyone have the scoop on scot erickson how long is he going to be out for
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re and america s team is but why cka uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc writes the defenition of the underdog is a team that has no talent and comes out of nowhere to contend the mets and orioles are prime examples not the cubs sorry but it is virtually impossible to win a division with no talent over games i would amend your definition to underdog a team expected to lose but which wins thanks to underestimated talent dave
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bosox win again the team record is today frank viola and rest of pitcher staff of boston red sox shutout chicago white sox it is red sox th win of this season so far red sox won all the games roger and frank v pitched and when other three starters were pitching tomorrow dopson will pitch again have a good first start and rocky second start i wonder that bosox can play over ball without roger and frank v
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re jewish baseball players dave kingman is jewish bob comarow eisner decus org
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re and america s team is but why in a previous article steinman me utoronto ca david steinman says cka uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc writes the defenition of the underdog is a team that has no talent and comes out of nowhere to contend the mets and orioles are prime examples not the cubs sorry but it is virtually impossible to win a division with no talent over games i would amend your definition to underdog a team expected to lose but which wins thanks to underestimated talent dave ok the mets and o s are good examples but what about the reds do you really think that anyone expected them to sweep the a s i know people who didn t even think they d win a game let alone win the series we proved them wrong though didn t we as for this year ignore their record now they ve had a rocky start and that has nothing to do with colorado they shall rise again the hunt for a reds october continues with all due respect to wlw bye michelson spring olympics champions road rally legged race rope pull snarf penny wars banner spirit cheer the michelson menace rides again don t you just love that intense nationalistic feeling in a residence hall
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re notes on jays vs indians series in article c hpcv hl andy bgsu edu klopfens andy bgsu edu bruce klopfenstein writes cmk athena mit edu charles m kozierok writes in article apr csd newshost stanford edu nlu xenon stanford edu nelson lu writes guess which line is which ba obp slg ab h b b hr bb x y i just love how the alomar fans left rbis off this list give me a break a little delayed but in the interests of fairness stats from elias ba obp slg r hr rbi rni outs alomar baerga so we see that baerga has a large advantage in rbi runs batted in rni runners not driven in and outs john rickert rickert nextwork rose hulman edu
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baseball spreads how does one read the betting spreads for baseball they tend to be something like which means it must not be runs thanks david rex wood davewood cs colorado edu university of colorado at boulder
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rockies need some relief once again the rockies bullpen fell apart andy ashby pitched six somewhat shaky innings giving up just one run then game the dreaded relief three picthers combined to give up runs one each i believe in the th inning and blew the save opportunity final was vs expos despite their problems in the pen i think the rockies are a team that wont be taken lightly going into today s game the had the league s leading hitter and rbi man galarraga two of the leaders in stolen bases young and cole and increasingly strong starting pitching david rex wood davewood cs colorado edu university of colorado at boulder
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re rockies need some relief in article apr colorado edu davewood bruno cs colorado edu david rex wood writes shaky innings giving up just one run then game the dreaded relief three picthers combined to give up runs one each i believe in the th inning be taken lightly going into today s game the had the league s leading geez can i type or what david rex wood davewood cs colorado edu university of colorado at boulder
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re baseball spreads in article apr colorado edu davewood bruno cs colorado edu david rex wood writes how does one read the betting spreads for baseball they tend to be something like which means it must not be runs that spread means you bet on the underdog to win or on the favorite to win charles
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re bosox win again the team record is in article jxu black clarku edu jxu black clarku edu dark wing duck writes today frank viola and rest of pitcher staff of boston red sox shutout chicago white sox it is red sox th win of this season so far red sox won all the games roger and frank v pitched and when other three starters were pitching tomorrow dopson will pitch again have a good first start and rocky second start i wonder that bosox can play over ball without roger and frank v as long as the yankees are in the same division the red sox will play better than baseball or the red sox can hire former east german swimming coaches to train them at the fine art of body building the red sox can use chinese women swimmers as a reference with the hawk the red sox definitely have a chance for the east this year he brings class work ethic and leadership to the park each day and he has a burning desire to play in the world series future hall of famer andre dawson will kick butt in boston from rockies country anthony m jivoin national center for atmospheric research rsf atd fl p o box boulder co
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re royals in article spork camelot spork camelot bradley edu richard izzo writes b s about darkness deleted oh lighten up what depresses me is that they might actually finish last which i believe hasn t happened since their second season in nope the royals are the only team in the majors that have not finished in last place of course this doesn t include the marlins and the rockies but they have a good chance at finishing last also rich
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re jack morris in a previous article tedward cs cornell edu edward ted fischer says in article qr cinnpel skeena ucs ubc ca stlouis unixg ubc ca phill st louis writes jack morris starts have been like his playoff starts he has an era of in his starts what does luck have to do with a era he was lucky to get wins last year but he had an era of with a team that scored a lot of runs i would be happy if he could still pitch with an era of but he seems to be suffering from a total callapse bad pitchers are more prone to this total collapse than good pitchers they are closer to the chasm of mediocrity the smallest push and they completely lose their grip but good ones can collapse somewhat then come back the next year burleigh grimes went from wins and an era of or so in to and an era around in he pitched well for several more years carlton won and lost the year after his record source bill james historical baseball abstract and let s not forget john tudor who started and finished in he had a pretty bad era when you take busch stadium into account at the start of the season he gave up early runs in his games and would get stronger as the game went on thus giving up few runs in the last going he stays in the game and gets the win how else would he have pitched so many innings yup he used to dig himself a hole then get it together and stick in until the run support eventually came through this year he just hasn t gotten it together if i recall he had a era in the st half and a era in the nd half of last year hmmm runs in innings suppose he starts more games and winds up w innings pitched if he allows runs a game in the next innings he ll have a era or so at the end of the year i think i have his totals right this is going to be hard to come back from jack may be finished it is time to retire or be released if he does not return to his form from last year his million contract is an awful lot to eat my st hunch is that morris is very gutsy and that he may be pitching through an injury and not telling anyone my nd guess is that he will be banished to the bullpen the remainder of the season after a few more starts perhaps when stewart comes off the dl or will danny cox who went or scoreless innings against the tribe today start for morris he looks like a really good one gaston is scrambling to find starters i d imagine luckily the jays have a very good offense i don t think they would dare release him before the end of the year he ll just be replaced by stewart or cox doug fowler dxf po cwru edu me age now mommys and daddys other ever wonder if after casey relatives have to give lots of hugs love missed the rd strike in the poem support cause heaven is just a great he ran to first and made it big hug that lasts forever and ever
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reds snap game losing streak redreport kevin mitchell s sacrifice fly in the eighth off brett saberhagen plated pitch runner cesar hernandez to give the reds a come from behind victory over new york hernandez ran for pinch hitter cecil espy who got the inning started with a solid single to right moved to second on bob kelly s infield sneaker down the third base line and to third on jeff branson s well placed bunt a rare show of excellent execution by the recently hapless reds offense cincinnati trailed after starter tim pugh blinked in the fifth he had only given up one hit in the first four innings a fourth inning lead off double by vince coleman coleman was left stranded at third by bobby bonilla after joe orselak popped to short orselak was pinch hitting for eddie murray who argued plate umpire kellogg s inside strike by drawing the line really he should know better than that murray and later manager jeff torborg ended up getting tossed the mets fifth started with a howard johnson s first pitch homer pugh must have been slightly shaken as he was popped on the next pitch by jeff kent s single then a ryan thompson liner to left was surprise misplayed by mitchell and turned into a rbi triple catcher hundley s grounder to the drawn in branson failed to bring thompson in then the play of the game occured saberhagen was due up so reds pitching coach larry rothschild met with the infield to discuss the possibility of a suicide squeeze they called it perfectly thompson was hung out to dry after pugh s first pitch pitch out and the threat ended isn t the national league great the reds picked up runs in the seventh to knot up the game after barry larkin s ground out mitchell chris sabo and randy milligan got back to back to back singles the third scoring mitchell reggie sanders then plated sabo with a long fly to center a double by oliver might have scored runner dan wilson but third base coach dave bristol threw up the stop sign too late wilson himself was hung out to dry killing the reds rally rob dibble came on in the ninth and pitched shakily with two outs and a runner on second bonilla came to the plate and all i could think of was the sunday game in late august last year when bonilla s three run dinger slapped a loss on dibble and spelled the beginning of the end for cinci s season bonilla ended up walking and hojo flied out to left to give the reds their first win in a week and earned dibble his third save in as many opportunities the win went to steve foster who got in what must be an ego boosting two perfect innings work striking out three saberhagen got the loss though i m a bit surprised he even pitched in the eighth i ll take it though the reds are now still the worst team in baseball with the royals victory today the mets are the line new york mets ab r h k bb lo coleman lf fernandez ss murray b orselak ph rf bonilla rf b johnson b kent b thompson cf hundley c saberhagen p totals hr johnson off pugh leading off fifth pitch b thompson off pugh in fifth out rbi picked off b coleman off pugh in fourth out on stranded at third rbi johnson thompson cincinnati reds ab r h k bb lo kelly cf branson b larkin ss mitchell lf dibble p sabo b milligan b wilson pr c sanders rf oliver c b pugh p roberts ph foster p espy ph hernandez pr lf totals oliver was stranded in the seventh after his double when wilson was run down b oliver off saberhagen out runner on first stranded rbi milligan sanders and mitchell sac branson sf sanders and mitchell ibb larkin gdp larkin new york cincinnati x pitching ip r er h k bb new york saberhagen l cincinnati pugh foster w dibble s pb wilson ejected murray torborg umps kellogg relliford runge demuth attendance t coming up the reds travel to pittsburgh for three then continue on into chicago for three next game is tuesday at expected to pitch are belcher vs tomlin rstimets
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dimensional teams was re royals final run total in a previous article sweda css itd umich edu sean sweda says i ve been saying this for quite some time but being absent from the net for a while i figured i d stick my neck out a bit the royals will set the record for fewest runs scored by an al team since the inception of the dh rule p s any ideas what this is they will fall easily short of runs that s for damn sure i can t believe these media fools picking them to win the division like our tom gage of the detroit news claiming herk robinson is some kind of genius for the trades aquisitions he s made would you say the same thing about the dodgers in or true cone is probably as good as drysdale and they have no koufax but still these teams were winning with home run leaders who had very bad totals with lots of low scoring games etc and they didn t use relievers whereas jeff montgomery is having a super season for them that being said i still picked them th or so but i think a superb pitching team can win if they have enough hitting there s more of a chance of that i think than of a team with tremendous hitting but no pitching at least to me i wonder though which one do you people think would do better a team with johnson koufax in his prime seaver carlton and young in no real order as the starters with sutter fingers and lyle in the bullpen but with a puny offense assuming good defense like mazeroski maranville etc or a team with poor pitching but with an offense of cobb carew ruth gehrig mays schmidt wagner and bench again you pick the order i would postulate that the pitching one would be several games better by seasons end even the best hitters can succeed only of the time in their best years but a great pitcher can throw lots of shutouts taking all the players in their prime they might throw shutouts in a year and all the offense would have to do is get run across i wonder if someone with stratomatic or something could plug such all time teams into a regular season have it played and report the results i would love to see that doug fowler dxf po cwru edu me age now mommys and daddys other ever wonder if after casey relatives have to give lots of hugs love missed the rd strike in the poem support cause heaven is just a great he ran to first and made it big hug that lasts forever and ever
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re early bbddd returns in article apr news cs brandeis edu st pip cc brandeis edu adam levin writes just curious if anyone has started to standout early in the season in the bb ddd this year a concerned fan of the bb ddd i am hoping to produce the first update of the bb ddd this week please send info about the most significant longest most critical etc home run that you have seen yet this season vince
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re and america s team is but why in article kingoz camelot kingoz camelot bradley edu orin roth writes well officially it s the braves at least up until they started winning it was are they still officially if so why and how did they receive this label unoffically but without a doubt america s team is the cubs why orin bradley u i m really a jester in disguise sorry but i saw a survey somewhere that showed that america s favorite team is the damn yankees so much for the underdogs being loved obbaseball trivia cardinals have taken out of series from the yanks but have a losing record against them spring training games not counted shannon
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montreal question what position does mike lansing play i cannot seem to find it anywhere thanks k keith j mullins o o p s c ooo ooo internet plymouth nh it takes a big man to cry but k mullin oz plymouth edu
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detroit tigers the roar at michigan and trumbull should be loader than ever this year with mike illitch at the head and ernie harwell back at the booth the tiger bats will bang this summer already they have scored runs in two games and with fielder tettleton and deer i think they can win the division no pitching bull gully moore wells and krueger make up a decent staff that will keep the team into many games then there is henneman to close it out watch out boston toronto and baltimore the motor city kittys are back
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three homer games and padres notes to all those out there wondering about who holds the record for three homer games ina career the answer is johnny mize in his career with the cards and the yanks he hit three times i am almost sure about this in case anyone is wondering the record for two homer games is held by babe ruth and is mize s record may not last for much longer because of juan gonzalez he has at least three games with three and maybe i know that he had at least two last year and one as a rookie i don t have any record books at college for me to check on though please let me know okay if i am wrong onto the padres is there anyone out there who follows them especial ly those with access to local news i don t here anything in los angeles and i can t get mcpaper consistently around here comment it looks as though san diego has gotten the better of the two deals that brought bell and plantier to the padres it has also forced the team to use darrell shermann of course plantier could get injured again or he could hit with the power of but with a lower average bell always could finish with and hrs essentially jerald clark s numbers leadoff comment craig shipley i get on base of the time if i m lucky at leadoff hell of the usual starters use gwynn he s got steals already is shipley starting because of an injury to stillwell though i haven t seen stillwell s name in any box scores anyway unless you are going to use shermann at leadoff then use gwynn he at lesat gets on base and this year is stealing bases sheffield comment though the season is early and stats mean nothing witness phillips batting currently but does sheffield have an injury or anythingelse wrong with him i just don t hear anything andy benes is he pitching like he did in the second half of or is this a flash of promise that he throws out evrey now and then has anyone seen him pitch the two good games score for today sunday april padres st louis padres sweep the cardinals as gwynn goes for with a homer sheffield and tueful also homer in a winning cause thanks for listening reading any comments kelly keach kkeach pomona claremont edu
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re and america s team is but why in article c p xq gui me utoronto ca steinman me utoronto ca david steinman writes cka uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc writes the defenition of the underdog is a team that has no talent and comes out of nowhere to contend the mets and orioles are prime examples not the cubs sorry but it is virtually impossible to win a division with no talent over games well with players certainly however it is quite possible to win it all with no managerial talent cf blue jays david david shapiro people can call it a monkey but i felt like shapiro david yale edu i had a piano on my back all winter long shapiro minerva cis yale edu the piano is off my back maybe a trombone will be next stan belinda
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re montreal question in article apr oz plymouth edu k mullin oz plymouth edu mully writes what position does mike lansing play i cannot seem to find it anywhere thanks currently he s all over he played nd when deshields was out he was shifted to third when delino came back and today he played ss for a cold wil cordero his natural positions seem to be in the middle infield but they will seemingly find a spot for himm somewhere as long as his bat is hot p tierney
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re detroit tigers david vergolini writes the roar at michigan and trumbull should be loader than ever this year with mike illitch at the head and ernie harwell back at the booth the tiger bats will bang this summer already they have scored runs in two games and with fielder tettleton and deer i think they can win the division no pitching bull gully moore wells and krueger make up a decent staff that will keep the team into many games yeah if the tigers can keep scoring runs a game if i m reading all this woofing correctly one midseason slump is going to pull this team out of contention like yogi says i ll believe when i believe it david j dwarner journalism indiana edu blue riddle productions it s on the rap is an art ep is coming out on tape this time for real e mail me for the
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re detroit tigers in article qt f o o msuinfo cl msu edu vergolin euler lbs msu edu david vergolini writes the roar at michigan and trumbull should be loader than ever this year with mike illitch at the head and ernie harwell back at the booth the tiger bats will bang this summer already they have scored runs in two games and with fielder tettleton and deer i think they can win the division no pitching bull gully moore wells and krueger make up a decent staff that will keep the team into many games then there is henneman to close it out watch out boston toronto and baltimore the motor city kittys are back nice woofing or should i say meowing and yes the tiggers are a fun exciting team that i would pay to see but last year they went this year their offense is essentially the same and their pitching is at best essentially the same so why do you think they will suddenly improve to win the or so games which will be required to win the a l east what has changed that i don t see remember a win is worth as much in the standings as a win charles
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re jack morris in article apr cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu edward ted fischer writes in article apr mnemosyne cs du edu gspira nyx cs du edu greg spira writes howard wong mindlink bc ca howard wong writes has jack lost a bit of his edge what is the worst start jack morris has had uh jack lost his edge about years ago and has had only one above average year in the last again goes to prove that it is better to be good than lucky you can count on good tomorrow lucky seems to be prone to bad starts and a bad finish last year yes i am enjoying every last run he gives up who was it who said morris was a better signing than viola cheers valentine hey valentine i don t see boston with any world series rings on their fingers damn morris now has three and probably the hall of fame in his future therefore i would have to say toronto easily made the best signing and don t tell me boston will win this year they won t even be in the top in the division more like th shawn
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re and america s team is but why in article c p yr gh news cso uiuc edu cka uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc writes the defenition of the underdog is a team that has no talent and comes out of nowhere to contend the mets and orioles are prime examples uh i don t think you can call a team with tom seaver jerry koosman and nolan ryan on the pitching staff a team that has no talent they did come out of nowhere but some of the improvement was forseeable greg
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re and america s team is but why in qsk d dck usenet ins cwru edu jdl po cwru edu justin d lowe writes in a previous article steinman me utoronto ca david steinman says cka uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc writes the defenition of the underdog is a team that has no talent and comes out of nowhere to contend the mets and orioles are prime examples not the cubs sorry but it is virtually impossible to win a division with no talent over games i would amend your definition to underdog a team expected to lose but which wins thanks to underestimated talent dave ok the mets and o s are good examples but what about the reds do you really think that anyone expected them to sweep the a s i know people who didn t even think they d win a game let alone win the series these people were very silly any team that gets to the world series can win the world series and anybody who ever expects a sweep is crazy if you put the best team in baseball in the series against the worst team in baseball the worst team would win at least a game most of the time and very well could win the series though the odds would certainly be against them greg
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zane rescue us from simmons so far simmons looks like a total idiot zane smith should learn how to switchpitch and return from the dl i would rather have zane smith pitch right handed than have moeller pitch at all i am sure simmons was ready to say i told you so after otto had an impressive win last week now otto s latest debacle has restored simmon s reputation now he looks like he is back in his form when he had the al s highest era among starters four our sake not ted s sake i hope he pitches with a era for the rest of the season yeah right tomlin and merced are a bit disappointing they are still doing decently but considering the considerable amount of talent and maturity they have shown their first seasons they seem to have actually gotten a little bit worse tomlin was almost unhittable his rookie year against lefty batters merced had a very good oba his rookie year he showed a lot of concentration at the plate in his rookie year walk well he seems to be on the losing end tonight but i still think that walk desrved his contract leyland should accept a part of the blame for the lavalliere situation i can t understand his and management s fear of losing tom prince through waivers even if they do what s the use he is aright hander like slaught not a very smart platoon also i am blaming leyland in this case since he is hcurrently convinced that lavalliere is through while giving him way too much time last year in the regular season and the playoffs slaught should have played in all games he has a good average against right handed pitching didn t leyland and simmons forsee this last year and attempt to trade lavalliere last year itself any fool could tell them lavalliere wasn t very fit last year dennis moeller is scary candeleria well he is not going to have such a high era at the end of the season maybe it will be in range but million plus come on other than the customary home run giving stage patterson goes through for a few weeks patterson has served the pirates very well each year so far he seems to have pitched well for the rangers i think the pirates should have spent the money on patterson in stead the rookie batters well young has surprised me a bit with his instant impact other than that their excellent performance hasn t been too much of a surprise i think we should thank doughty for that rookie pitchers worse than expected especially cooke slaught how come he wasn t given a contract extension last year now his value has increased immensely lonnie smith well eric davis was signed for a comparable amount let s see eric can hit better he can run better he can field better now why didnt the pirates go after eric davis an injured davis is better than a healthy lonnie smith even if lonnnie smith gets some big hits this year he won t be an asset he has looked terrible on the bases and in the field management big big zero sauer has yet to make a forceful agreement in favor of revenue sharing he seems more concerned about pleasing that idiot danforth by preparing the team for a move to tampa bay alex cole fiasco the pirates infield and cf positions look good the rf and lf would have looked good if we could have gotten cole to replace two of the four outfielders eric davis van slyke and cole would have made a very respectable outfield even without eric davis thye pirates would have a respectable outfield with cole svan slyke and merced i think he should hit left handed against lefts in stead of switch hitting simmons did have options for the outfield ironically the biggest accomplishment of simmon s tenure was getting alex cole really cheap too bad compensatory draft picks for bonds forget it the pirates can rant and rave they will not get those picks as of now the issue is still being appealed now if this doesnt convince anyone that simmons and sauer are idiots nothing else will on a final note tim wakefield won t be as awful as he was in his last starts but don t count on him pitching like last year for the rest of the season also if the pirates are in contention towards rthe end of the season they will miss redus s clutch hitting and his speed he has peaked in the second half of the last seasons pravin ratnam
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re torre the worst manager in article hydra gatech edu gt a prism gatech edu brian r landmann writes e later in the ninth inning with the bases loaded and two outs he puts lankford a hitter with power in as a pinch runner and uses luis alicea a hitter with no power as a pinch hitter what the helll is he thinking if memory serves me well alicea hit it and damn near tied the game torre obviously knows his players better than you do see y all at the ballyard go braves chop chop michael mule michael andre mule georgia institute of technology atlanta georgia uucp decvax hplabs ncar purdue rutgers gatech prism gt e internet gt e prism gatech edu
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re jack morris in apr newshub ariel yorku ca cs ariel yorku ca shawn luddington writes hey valentine i don t see boston with any world series rings on their fingers damn morris now has three and probably the hall of fame in his future therefore i would have to say toronto easily made the best signing and don t tell me boston will win this year they won t even be in the top in the division more like th yeah valentine how many rings does clemens have nothin like good old fashioned canadian logic btw the only good thing i can say about the jay s rotation this year is that it could have been worse stewart might have stayed healthy cordially as always maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca so many morons rm and so little time
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militello update hey all you yankee fans who ve been knocking my prediction of baltimore you flooded my mailbox with cries of militello s good militello s good where is he i noticed he got skipped over after that oh so strong first outing he s not by any chance in columbus now is he please don t tell me you re relying on this guy to be the fourth not the fifth but the fourth starter on this brittle pitching staff as for the o s it s still early see y all at the ballyard go braves chop chop michael mule michael andre mule georgia institute of technology atlanta georgia uucp decvax hplabs ncar purdue rutgers gatech prism gt e internet gt e prism gatech edu
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re the mets are rapists todd karlin writes i do not read klapisch s news columns regularly but i do know that he has been accused before as being an instigator that enjoys hopefully for only professional reasons to drumb up a news story even if there isn t one there now as far as the confrontation with bobby bonilla a few days ago i almost totally blame bonilla no matter what a member of the press does and no matter how much of a putrid individual he might be that does not give a ballplayer the right to threaten a journalist bonilla wasn t threatening anyone he just wanted to give him the dollar tour david j dwarner journalism indiana edu blue riddle productions it s on the rap is an art ep is coming out on tape this time for real e mail me for the
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re jack morris in article apr newshub ariel yorku ca cs ariel yorku ca shawn luddington writes in article apr cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu edward ted fischer writes in article apr mnemosyne cs du edu gspira nyx cs du edu greg spira writes howard wong mindlink bc ca howard wong writes has jack lost a bit of his edge what is the worst start jack morris has had uh jack lost his edge about years ago and has had only one above average year in the last again goes to prove that it is better to be good than lucky you can count on good tomorrow lucky seems to be prone to bad starts and a bad finish last year yes i am enjoying every last run he gives up who was it who said morris was a better signing than viola hey valentine i don t see boston with any world series rings on their fingers oooooo cheap shot damn morris now has three and probably the hall of fame in his future who cares he had two of them before he came to toronto and if the jays had signed viola instead of morris it would have been frank who won and got the ring and he would be on his way to this year too therefore i would have to say toronto easily made the best signing your logic is curious and spurious there is no reason to believe that viola wouldn t have won as many games had he signed with toronto when you compare their stupid w l records be sure to compare their team s offensive averages too now looking at anything like the morris viola sweepstakes a year later is basically hindsight but there were plenty of reasons why it should have been apparent that viola was the better pitcher based on previous recent years and also based on age frank is almost years younger how many knew that people got caught up in the world series and then on morris wins last year wins are the stupidest most misleading statistic in baseball far worse than rbi or r that he won just means that the jays got him a lot of runs the only really valid retort to valentine is weren t the red sox trying to get morris too oh sure they said viola was their first choice afterwards but what should we have expected they would say and don t tell me boston will win this year they won t even be in the top in the division more like th if this is true it won t be for lack of contribution by viola so who cares charles
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re montreal question in article apr oz plymouth edu k mullin oz plymouth edu mully writes what position does mike lansing play i cannot seem to find it anywhere thanks k keith j mullins o o p s c ooo ooo internet plymouth nh it takes a big man to cry but k mullin oz plymouth edu he s played nd and rd i also heard he can play short too shawn
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re zane rescue us from simmons in my last message i wrote management big big zero sauer has yet to make a forceful agreement in favor of revenue sharing i meant argument instead of agreement also i think i should add a coouple of ted s positive achievements smiley trade was good for the pirates but i think ted could have gotten someone better than neagle cummings seems to be pretty good the cole trade was excellent but simmons has botched it up now this year s draft seems to have gone well for the pirates but then they lost high picks in the bonds fiasco oh well i should give up trying to prove that simmons is not a total idiot
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twins games does anyone know if the twins games are broadcast in good ole ames iowa thanks all
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bob knepper was damn right don t you guys think so i mean c mon what the heck are women doing even thinking of getting into baseball they cause so many problems just look at lisa olson remember that feisty reporter that entered the new england patriots locker room she started crying like a little girl i just don t think women belong in a man s sport before you smart guys flame me for this i know the given example was about football who cares it still applies to other male sports how can we have women umpires jeez look at pam postema just because she s a woman everybody on the face of the earth thinks it s great that she s getting an opportunity to ump if you even watched the games and had an iq greater than that of roast beef you d see that she is not nearly as good as most aaa umpires besides she is probably more worried about cracking a fingernail with a foul tip off of wade boggs bat or jose oquendo s bat either way there are too many complications austin jacobs bob knepper fan club member
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attention anyone in syracuse ny or richmond va there are two conflicting reports about a pitcher that is either in the jays farm system or the braves his name is bill taylor he was picked up by the jays but had to be offered back to the braves before they were able to send him to the syracuse chiefs one report says that the braves took him back and assigned him to richmond the other says that he is on the chiefs roster which one is right
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re what s with all these scores sean garrison writes alright i have one thing to say i don t know if it s just me but i thought this newsgroup is a place for discussion why must people constantly post these little messages about how a certain team is winning in a certain inning i mean come on how many people are so dependent on this newsgroup that they have to find out the scores mid game here cmk athena mit edu charles m kozierok writes amen i hear ya brother take a look at the timestamps on some of the posts you read sometime the propagation delays are significant often hours or even days and even people who have access to machines which are close to the poster on the network let s try weeks it is april th today and i just finished reading posts regarding the cleveland indians boating tragedy needless to say i don t want to read partial linescores of games played weeks ago as charles mentioned i excluded the quote join a mailing list if you want to woof i consider entering th inning scores as woofing thank you now to plug on and read the rest of the posts about spring training jim savoy university of lethbridge savoy hg uleth ca sigless and bible black
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re bob knepper was damn right in article apr news yale edu austin jacobs writes don t you guys think so i mean c mon what the heck are women doing even thinking of getting into baseball they cause so many problems just look at lisa olson remember that feisty reporter that entered the new england patriots locker room she started crying like a little girl i just don t think women belong in a man s sport before you smart guys flame me for this i know the given example was about football who cares it still applies to other male sports how can we have women umpires jeez look at pam postema just because she s a woman everybody on the face of the earth thinks it s great that she s getting an opportunity to ump if you even watched the games and had an iq greater than that of roast beef you d see that she is not nearly as good as most aaa umpires besides she is probably more worried about cracking a fingernail with a foul tip off of wade boggs bat or jose oquendo s bat either way there are too many complications austin jacobs bob knepper fan club member someone tell me there s a hidden here somewhere david rex wood davewood cs colorado edu university of colorado at boulder
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re zane rescue us from simmons in article sfovx o wb mium d andrew cmu edu mamatha devineni ratnam mr andrew cmu edu writes so far simmons looks like a total idiot leyland should accept a part of the blame for the lavalliere situation i can t understand his and management s fear of losing tom prince through waivers even if they do what s the use he is aright hander like slaught not a very smart platoon also i am blaming leyland in this case since he is hcurrently convinced that lavalliere is through while giving him way too much time last year in the regular season and the playoffs slaught should have played in all games he has a good average against right handed pitching didn t leyland and simmons forsee this last year and attempt to trade lavalliere last year itself any fool could tell them lavalliere wasn t very fit last year sorry but this is the biggest load of bunk i ve seen in a while a the pirates have been trying to trade lavalliere for some time now nobody was even vaguely interested b several other teams had made it known that they would grab prince who was out of options c lavalliere s release had nothing to do with him being through he was released because in the event of an injury to slaught lavalliere is no longer capable they believe of being the everyday catcher since slaught is as good against righties as he is against lefties the offense should actually improve with this move toby
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re militello update in article hydra gatech edu gt e prism gatech edu michael andre mule writes hey all you yankee fans who ve been knocking my prediction of baltimore you flooded my mailbox with cries of militello s good militello s good where is he i noticed he got skipped over after that oh so strong first outing about as good as mussina s better than sutcliffe s and mcdonald s he s not by any chance in columbus now is he he s in the bullpen steinbrenner is in charge after all please don t tell me you re relying on this guy to be the fourth not the fifth but the fourth starter on this brittle pitching staff he s got the talent to be the th starter now and evetually the ace he was a higher ranked and generally better prospect than arthur rhodes who happens to be well hey the oriole s th starter as for the o s it s still early as for militello it s still early toby elliott
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sam are you there to mr millitello listen sammy can you explain why buck pitched you in relief yesterday i figure no one would know this better than you yourself jason a miller some doctor guy p s tell bam bam he should ve made good on his thread to retire
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re bonilla in article apr organpipe uug arizona edu krueger helium gas uug arizona edu theodore r krueger wrote isn t it funny that a white person calls comeone a nigger and gets banned for a year but a black person calls someone a faggot and there is no consequence ted ted you re missing a vital point as roger lustig pointed out in a previous response the reason why schott was banned from baseball was because she had been known to call and think in a racially biased manner on a constant basis such thoughts affected her hiring practices bonilla on the other hand was found to have mentioned this one word a single time if he had been known to go around criticizing homosexuals it would be a different story furthermore he is merely an athlete he doesn t have to hire anyone as schott had to do dave pallone the former nl umpire who is an admitted homosexual has decided to assist in a protest before a mets game at shea he like you thinks that bonilla should be suspended from baseball pallone is hoping for a year s suspension in my opinion that s downright ludicrous as howie rose on wfan said if you start suspending athletes who have mentioned a derogatory word even a single time under whatever conditions then you d probably have enough people remaining to play a three on three game now honestly if you truly analyze the differences between the two cases that you bring up in your article i would think that you d reconsider your thoughts sean behind the bag vin scully
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re jack morris in article apr newshub ariel yorku ca cs ariel yorku ca shawn luddington writes in article apr cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu edward ted fischer writes in article apr mnemosyne cs du edu gspira nyx cs du edu greg spira writes howard wong mindlink bc ca howard wong writes has jack lost a bit of his edge what is the worst start jack morris has had uh jack lost his edge about years ago and has had only one above average year in the last again goes to prove that it is better to be good than lucky you can count on good tomorrow lucky seems to be prone to bad starts and a bad finish last year yes i am enjoying every last run he gives up who was it who said morris was a better signing than viola cheers valentine hey valentine i don t see boston with any world series rings on their fingers damn morris now has three and probably the hall of fame in his future therefore i would have to say toronto easily made the best signing and don t tell me boston will win this year they won t even be in the top in the division more like th shawn gee i never knew valentine made a comment about how viola signing with boston was gonna bring a world series title to boston i don t think valentine ever said boston will win this year boy talk about sensitive insecure toronto fans in any case i think viola would have made a better signing why viola is younger and is left handed how many left handed starters does toronto have mike mike columbia edu
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re jewish baseball players in article apr asd com scott asd com scott barman says wasn t ron bloomberg the former yankee who got the first base hit by a designated hitter jewish i have no idea nor do i care however i d like to point out that blomberg got the first plate appearance by a designated hitter and the first walk by a designated hitter i am not sure but i do not think that he also got the first hit by a designated hitter bob vesterman
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