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re jewish baseball players in article c l vc r world std com eastgate world std com mark bernstein says which reminds me do they still serve kosher hot dogs at the new comiskey yup with onions of all things bob vesterman
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re juggling dodgers in article mssc mx v c netcom com mss netcom com mark singer says lasorda juggled his lineup against the pirates friday night and from the results one might conclude that he will stick with the changes for a while butler reclaimed leadoff spot probably for the whole season davis wants to get his speed into play for last night piazza the kid is doing everything well very well strawberry the primadonna insists on batting cleanup how do you know this did lasorda say before the game here s the lineup i m using i m batting strawman fourth because the primadonna insists on batting cleanup if this is true note that i don t think it is lasorda should be fired for at least two reasons publicly humiliating his players knuckling under to his players wishes however i think that the more likely explanation is that lasorda wanted strawberry to bat fourth and that you hate strawberry bob vesterman
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re let s talk phillies in article apr mgweed mgwhiz att com prg mgweed mgwhiz att com phil gunsul says i try to edit this newsgroup and feed it to one of the local elementary schools they have a group of students that just love baseball and are learning to use computers but i m telling you it s gotten to the point that i don t even edit the files anymore just read them and throw out the trash and thanks to all you people that think it s wonderful to include a swear word or two in your signature files that s really nice i have to read the whole article and then toss it out because of the sig duh why not just chop out the sig bob vesterman ps hey kids take all those pictures of dead presidents out of your parents wallets and mail them to bob vesterman c o dept of mathematics university of notre dame notre dame indiana
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re mlb nba in article apr news yale edu sean garrison says i think that players salaries are getting way out of hand to the point that they re on a pace to become severely detrimental to baseball s future so you want to decrease players salaries so you want to increase owners salaries the two are equivalent bob vesterman
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re usa mcweekly stats in article franjion spot colorado edu franjion spot colorado edu john franjione says also i have the impression from reading this group and bill james that elias is a bunch of money grubbing jerks whose mission is to charge as much as they can for baseball statistical info and bill james is not yeah sure do you own the bill james players rating book bob vesterman
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re bosox win again the team record is in article apr ncar ucar edu amj rsf atd ucar edu anthony michael jivoin says with the hawk the red sox definitely have a chance for the east this year he brings class work ethic and leadership to the park each day too bad he doesn t bring the ability to hit pitch field or run bob vesterman
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let s talk phillies the phillies salvaged their weekend series against the chicago cubs by beating them in a wild one at wrigley field sunday afternoon it was the phils only win in the three game series and was the first time the phillies have lost a series in the young season the phils jumped to a lead in the game thanks to john kruk run homers and two wes chamberlain homers however danny jackson and the phillies middle relief was unable to hold the lead mitch williams entered the game with the phillies leading however candy maldonado hit a ninth inning homerun to tie it in the th dave hollins hit a three run shot his first of the year to push the phils ahead to stay however in a shaky bottom of the th the cubs scored runs and had the tying runner on base when the cubs pinch hit randy myers for bob scanlan they were out of position players and myers bunted into a double play to end the game the phils bring their league leading record back to action tuesday wednesday and thursday against the padres
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re jack morris michael chen mike cunixf cc columbia edu wrote in any case i think viola would have made a better signing why viola is younger and is left handed how many left handed starters does toronto have well i agree that viola is a better signing however why does everyone say that you want lefthanded starters i understand lefthanded spot relievers even though they usually face more righthanded batters than lefthanded batters i just don t understand why people insist on lefthanded starters unless there is a park effect e g yankee stadium most batters in mlb are righthanded so righthanded starters will have the platoon advantage more often than lefthanded starters i guess one argument for lefty starters is that certain teams may be more vulnerable to lhp s than rhp s however this is probably only a factor in the postseason because teams seldom juggle their starters for this reason during the regular season i think you just want the best starters you can get regardless of whether they are lefties or righties lefthanded starters tend to have higher era s than righthanded starters precisely because managers go out of their way to start inferior lefties or perhaps because of the platoon advantage am i missing something here craig
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re jack morris in article apr newshub ariel yorku ca cs ariel yorku ca shawn luddington writes hey valentine i don t see boston with any world series rings on their fingers yah so damn morris now has three and probably the hall of fame in his future he certainly didn t earn his last one how many games did he blow in the world series all of the ones he started therefore i would have to say toronto easily made the best signing oh yes definitely therefore morris is better than clemens don t give me that shit if boston had alomar olerud henke and ward while toronto had rivera jack clark jeff reardon things would have looked a little different last fall give credit where credit is due this lavishing of praise on morris makes me sick and don t tell me boston will win this year they won t even be in the top in the division more like th i m willing to bet they don t finish sixth i m also willing to bet they don t finish first and if you give me odds i m willing to bet that they finish ahead of the blue jays valentine
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re jack morris in article qt ooinn gd senator bedfellow mit edu cmk athena mit edu charles m kozierok writes the only really valid retort to valentine is weren t the red sox trying to get morris too oh sure they said viola was their first choice afterwards but what should we have expected they would say lou wanted morris all along the idiot giving the man million to play with is like giving a five year old a loaded uzi with the safety off the only question is how many shots he will get off before somebody is wise enough to take it away and don t tell me boston will win this year they won t even be in the top in the division more like th if this is true it won t be for lack of contribution by viola so who cares i don t see why people expect boston to finish sixth the bottom four teams last year were essentially tied boston in seventh place had wins the yankees and indians tied for fourth place had wins now i should think it is obvious that the red sox improved more than the indians or tigers basically the red sox are stronger this year at b dh ss lf and rf they have healthier starting pitchers so far at least and better relievers i see no reason why they shouldn t win games meanwhile the indians are in shambles and the tigers still have no pitching they will win some blowouts but they will lose an awful lot of games too maybe the sox will play poorly win games and finish fifth but i think third or fourth place is more likely cheers valentine
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re militello update in article hydra gatech edu gt e prism gatech edu michael andre mule writes hey all you yankee fans who ve been knocking my prediction of baltimore um how many games have the orioles won you flooded my mailbox with cries of militello s good militello s good he is or will be where is he i noticed he got skipped over after that oh so strong first outing he s not by any chance in columbus now is he please don t tell me you re relying on this guy to be the fourth not the fifth but the fourth starter on this brittle pitching staff no currently there s no room for him in the rotation key is having a most impressive april abbott is pitching well perez is back wickman has pitched his way into the rotation and is holding his spot with an outstanding performance his last time out and kamieniecki isn t doing too poorly himself if the yankees find themselves in need of a starter militello will get another chance until then he ll have to wait in line valentine
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re bob knepper was damn right why did i get sucked into this in article apr news yale edu austin jacobs writes don t you guys think so i mean c mon what the heck are women doing even thinking of getting into baseball they cause so many problems just assuming you re serious i guess you d be surprised to hear that us guys don t think so i would guess that a tiny fraction of of the folks reading your post agree with it i kind of doubt that even you agree with it i m not going to go through your points one at a time because after all not many of them have anything at all to do with baseball i m only replying to this because you brought up pam postema the aaa umpire who sued is suing baseball on the grounds of sex discrimination because she wasn t promoted to the majors jeez look at pam postema just because she s a woman everybody on the face of the earth thinks it s great that she s getting an opportunity to ump if you even watched the games and had an iq greater than that of roast beef you d see that she is not nearly as good as most aaa umpires i ve never seen her ump a game i have no first hand experience with her ability as an umpire but i have seen her on talk shows and her point seems to be that she can call balls and strikes as well as any of the umpires and she knows the rulebook better than most it seems to me that she is missing the point and if that s how she sees the role of umpires in the game well i wouldn t promote her either the umpires primary role has nothing to do with calling baserunners safe or out hell joe lundy could do that their primary function is to maintain order in the game keep the game moving and keep the players from trying to kill each other umpires have to be extremely tough people that disqualifies most of us both men and women and if ms postema thinks that she deserves to be a major league umpire because of her command of the rulebook then i think that disqualifies her as well umpires need to command the game command of the rulebook is secondary dave eisen to succeed in the world it is not dkeisen leland stanford edu enough to be stupid you must also sequoia peripherals be well mannered voltaire home
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re montreal question in article apr oz plymouth edu k mullin oz plymouth edu mully writes what position does mike lansing play i cannot seem to find it anywhere thanks he s a shortstop by training but he s been at second mostly and third this year for the expos dave demers demers cs ucsd edu computer science engineering demers cs ucsd bitnet uc san diego ucsd cs demers la jolla ca or fax
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re let s talk phillies in article rvesterm vma cc nd edu rvesterm vma cc nd edu writes in article apr mgweed mgwhiz att com prg mgweed mgwhiz att com phil gunsul says ps hey kids take all those pictures of dead presidents out of your parents wallets and mail them to bob vesterman and send him a shift key too dave demers demers cs ucsd edu computer science engineering demers cs ucsd bitnet uc san diego ucsd cs demers la jolla ca or fax
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re zane rescue us from simmons mamatha devineni ratnam mr andrew cmu edu writes so far simmons looks like a total idiot whatever you say i think it s just games into the season myself so i m going to wait a bit before calling names i am sure simmons was ready to say i told you so after otto had an impressive win last week now otto s latest debacle has restored simmons reputation now he looks like he is back in his form when he had the al s highest era among starters four our sake not ted s sake i hope he pitches with a era for the rest of the season yeah right i expect that dave otto will be a really bad pitcher and i have no idea why simmons ever wanted him on the other hand i expect him to release otto if he doesn t turn things around pretty fast btw otto s game score for that ip stinker was only which points out a problem with the method since otto s performance was infinitely bad and excruciatingly prolonged tomlin and merced are a bit disappointing they are still doing decently but considering the considerable amount of talent and maturity they have shown their first seasons they seem to have actually gotten a little bit worse i think merced s rookie year was a bit flukey but aren t you willing to give him some more at bats and tomlin a few more starts before acting so gloomy walk well he seems to be on the losing end tonight but i still think that walk desrved his contract no he didn t walk is a time bomb he has no stuff whatsoever and when the league finally realizes this it won t be pretty at all the rookie batters well young has surprised me a bit with his instant impact other than that their excellent performance hasn t been too much of a surprise i think we should thank doughty for that don t be so fast doughty is the guy who signed steve buechele which was a move that threatened to bury kevin young in the minors meanwhile i m not sure whether doughty or simmons signed martin as a six year free agent before the season rookie pitchers worse than expected especially cooke twice through the rotation and you ve given up yikes slaught how come he wasn t given a contract extension last year now his value has increased immensely but so has his age at least in baseball terms the useful half life of a year old injury prone catcher can t be much longer than a year lonnie smith well eric davis was signed for a comparable amount but he wanted to be a dodger and felt he had something to prove after his disastrous i don t think there was any chance for the bucs to sign him let s see eric can hit better he can run better he can field better now why didnt the pirates go after eric davis an injured davis is better than a healthy lonnie smith he certainly wasn t last year even if lonnnie smith gets some big hits this year he won t be an asset he has looked terrible on the bases and in the field hey that s the skates smith package deal anybody who acquires lonnie for his defense or base running particularly at this stage is a real weirdo management big big zero sauer has yet to make a forceful argument in favor of revenue sharing he seems more concerned about pleasing that idiot danforth by preparing the team for a move to tampa bay if that s the goal of the team ownership than i don t see why sauer gets a zero for making his boss happy i don t know what he has or hasn t said about revenue sharing so i can t comment there alex cole fiasco stuff deleted ironically the biggest accomplishment of simmons tenure was getting alex cole really cheap too bad that he gave him away in the expansion draft it s annoying but since leyland seems to have been pushing for them to retain jeff king it was probably unavoidable meanwhile i think bigger accomplishments of simmons tenure were getting some value for john smiley not trading real prospects for veterans down the stretch last year drafting well in letting the rookies show something in foley smith and candelaria were acquired to be replacement parts which means that even if fail it hasn t done serious damage to the bucs future compensatory draft picks for bonds forget it the pirates can rant and rave they will not get those picks as of now the issue is still being appealed does this mean that the bucs lost the initial arbitration case i never heard the outcome of this when will the final verdict be in on this now if this doesnt convince anyone that simmons and sauer are idiots nothing else will i m not sure who was the idiot in this case so i don t know who to blame it might have been doug danforth after all in fact i seriously suspect it was doug danforth who has shown his willingness to call the shots at exactly those moments when the gun is pointed at his feet btw i ve wondered whether my latest posts have been getting off site so if somebody known to impersonate e e cummings can see this would he drop me a short note jking
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re dodger question the dodgers have been shopping harris to other teams in their quest for more left handed pitching so far no takers personally i think harris is a defensive liability and he has also led the team in past years for hitting into double plays or at least been among the leaders sharperson showed last year that if given a chance to play every day he can get the job done if sharpy played just one base every day say third he d also improve defensively wallach has helped tremendously on defense as has reed the improved defense is quite noticeable and is having an effect on the pitching staff both astacio and martinez were bailed out in recent starts by great defensive plays martinez pitched into the ninth in a game that might have seen him lifted in the third in past years astacio lasted innings the other day under similar circumstances the dodgers are turning double plays and keeping more balls in the infield than last year and piazza has also been great on defense he has thrown out of batters trying to steal and has at least one pick off at first wallach clearly has contributed to the over all improvement on defense but his offense is awful and he has cost the dodgers some runs but i don t think he is as bad as his current average i suspect he will come out of this slump much as davis and straw seem to have come out of theirs dodger
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re let it be known in article issbtl byuvm bitnet issbtl byuvm bitnet writes i would like to make everyone aware that in winning the nl west the atlanta braves did not lead wire to wire through games of the houston astros are percentage points ahead of the unbeatable braves and they deserve to be if for no other reason than salvaging a little of the honor of the nl west the supposed strongest division in baseball lost of to the east yesterday with only the astros prevailing we will stretch no farm animal beyond its natural length paula koufax cv hp com paul andresen hewlett packard home nw mckinley corvallis or a sabr member since
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re expanded nl strike zone was re a surfeit of offense in article news duke edu fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu eric roush writes in article apr cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu edward ted fischer writes we won t really be able to say anything for at least another couple of weeks but so far it looks like a homerific season might the umps be squeezing the strike zone watching the braves on tbs i would have said that the strike zone in the nl has expanded this season specifically it appears that the strike zone has moved above the belt yeah the announcers have commented on that also but it was also my perception however the strike zone hasn t climbed all the way up to the letters it s more like a little ways under the letters any other perceptions out there judging by the way the reds pitchers have performed thus far it appears to me that the zone has been squeezed to the size of a grape douglas n ritter dougr meaddata com life is short ride hard uunet meaddata dougr
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re i ve found the secret in article apr cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu edward ted fischer writes why are the red sox in first place eight games into the season they already have two wins each from clemens and viola clemens starts again tonight on three days rest huh clemens pitched last on saturday giving him his usual four days rest what s up are the sox going with a four man rotation is this why hesketh was used in relief last night brian curran mead data central brian meaddata com i didn t think i should ve been asked to catch when the temperature was below my age carlton fisk chicago white sox catcher on playing during a degree april ball game
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re pleasant yankee surprises in article apr sarah albany edu js albnyvms bitnet writes in article netnews upenn edu sepinwal mail sas upenn edu alan sepinwall writes spike owen sure he s hitting like crazy but the guy cannot field to save his life and they said he was brought in to provide defense velarde stankiewicz and even silvestri are better defensively than owen remember it s still early look for his offense to tail off and his defense to improve hopefully he has that rep because i heard that either last year or over the last years or something like that he has the third highest fielding percentage among major league shortstops behind c r and tony i m not gonna help this sorry mets team at all fernandez i do agree though that he has not looked all that impressive in the field thus far owen only has one error so far i believe that seriously underrepresents the harm he has done in the field owen will cleanly play any ball he reaches he will have a fine fielding percentage like always the problem is that he doesn t reach anything that isn t hit straight at him this wouldn t be quite as obvious a problem if he were playing next to kelly gruber or robin ventura but the third baseman for the yankees is wade boggs who should have moved across the diamond last year i ve only seen one game abbott s first start but there were three balls hit to the left side which would have been stopped by quality defensive players instead they were charged as hits against abbott cheers valentine
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re braves pitching updatedir in article apr acad drake edu sbp acad drake edu writes or second starter it seems to me that when quality pitchers take the mound the other teams score less runs the team that scores the most runs wins this puts the team with the better pitching at the advantage providing they can stop the opposing team from scoring runs a low scoring game would clearly benefit the braves not clear to me at all i d certainly rather have a team who was winning games than games in the game luck is going to play a much bigger role than in the game sherri nichols snichols adobe com
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re expanded nl strike zone was re a surfeit of offense jrogoff scott skidmore edu jay rogoff writes it was my impression watching the mets rockies that umpires were calling strikes above the belt too but not as far up as the letters it would be nice if this were the case the umps saw the weekend boxscores too they knew the pitchers needed some help or they would be watching the sunrise mike timlin timlin spot colorado edu
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billy taylor a brave or jay does anyone know where billy taylor is richmond or syracuse he was taken by the jays in the rule v draft but not kept on the roster baseball weekly said that he was demoted to syracuse but a toronto paper indicated that the braves took him back is there an atlanta fan or anyone reading this who knows thanks psl
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defensive averages third base compiled from the last five defensive average reports here are the career das for the individual players in the reports stats are courtesy of sherri nichols players are listed in descending order third basemen name mitchell kevin gonzales rene leius scott pendleton terry ventura robin wallach tim gruber kelly pagliarulo mike harris lance howell jack williams matt caminiti ken sabo chris gaetti gary buechele steve salazar luis pecota bill schmidt mike riles ernie boggs wade martinez egdar molitor paul phillips tony nl average brookens tom king jeff seitzer kevin al average jacoby brook hansen dave law vance magadan dave jefferies greg sharperson mike zeile todd baerga carlos hayes chris livingstone scott hamilton j kelly pat lyons steve oberkfell ken johnson howard bell buddy lansford carney presley jim schu rick worthington cal hollins dave sheffield gary blauser jeff fryman travis gantner jim gomez lee palmer dean dale j stephenson steph cs uiuc edu grad student at large it is considered good to look wise especially when not overburdened with information j golden kimball
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re the all time greats team in article apr iscsvax uni edu reed iscsvax uni edu writes dave winfield s name does not go in the same sentence as aaron robinson and ott in terms of peak and i repeat peak years winfield has done it all he has batted in the s for a season drove in and more runs many times in a row before his injury consistently hit at or near while knocking in home runs have you even looked at dave winfield s slugging percentage for three or of his best seasons i still think that dave was one of the better of all time but obviously not the best he was one of the best athletes evr to play baseball he hit line drives that hit the scoreboard in left center field a feat np one has done in the new stadium heck only or other people have hit it over that green fence since it has been remodeled he could field had a bullet arm and his hitting was comparable in many seasons to gary sheffields and barry bonds of last season he is older now and slowing down takes more of an uppercut to lift the ball out of the park but he will always be my hero and my idol there is nothing that could make me happier than george inviting dave back to the bronx to play his last year of ball with the yankees of course he will most likely refuse the offer but who knows for million dollars he ll play heck they are giving gallego million this year having dave as their dh while leaving him time to play the field when tartabull is injured or nokes and mass are traded should give the yanks the inspiration and leadership that will sweep in a new age of yankee domination michael lurie
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re pleasant yankee surprises in article netnews upenn edu sepinwal mail sas upenn edu alan sepinwall writes some pleasant and then some not so pleasant surprises about the edition of the bronx bombers so far wickman a friend made a comparison between wickman and jack morris they never have impressive stats but they always find some way to win although morris seems to be losing that ability i figured that wickman would be the least important part of the steve sax trade best trade since we got that ruth guy maybe winding up as a good middle reliever but i like what i ve seen so far he doesn t pitch pretty but he gets the job done actually i kind of liked the abott trade we did trade the rookie of the year snow but with don mattingly at first for another years why bother
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re pleasant yankee surprises in article netnews upenn edu sepinwal mail sas upenn edu alan sepinwall writes farr s era is in the s or s and howe s is infinite i didn t think such a thing was possible but it is actually according to usa today howe has inning atttributed to him but maybe that is incorrect by the excellent report
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yankee fears i ll tell youm all one thing steve howe and farr are much better then the worst pitcher in yankee pitching who do you think i am talking about i ll post the answers if you e mail to me use reply or post you re answers but e mailing them to me meaqns that i will post the final results i have one particular horrid pitcher in mind
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re pleasant yankee surprises in article netnews upenn edu sepinwal mail sas upenn edu alan sepinwall writes thanks alan that was well thought out even written in an entertaining style
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re dave kingman for the hall of fame in article apr news yale edu steve tomassi writes hi baseball fans so what do you say don t you think he deserves it i mean heck if dave winfield ho hum is seriously being considered for it as is lee smith ha then why don t we give dave kingman a chance or darrell evans yeah yeah after the hall of fame takes in them it can take in eddie murray and jeff reardon oh yeah dave winfield marginal player guy didn t hit a lick had negligible power was a crap fielder and had no staying power dave winfield now entering his i believe th big league season is still a damn decent hitter admittedly his defense has slipped a great deal but in his prime he had a powerful arm and great range take a look at the stats i don t know where you even begin to make an argument that winfield and kingman are similar players kingman was a one dimension power hitter he couldn t field he ran like an anvil hit for a low average though if i remember right his obp wasn t that hideous and for those who consider such things important was a absolute primo dick eddie murray yup only the best st baseman of the s i know that mvp votes are conducted by mediots but given that he got jobbed out of the mvp he deserved in it seems that he wasn t overrated by the media lee smith hmmmm this one s actually pretty close he s had a s solid dependable career as a closer despite pitching in some nasty parks wrigley fenway i d have to take a closer look at the stats it s been a while but it seems lee arthur is of hof caliber you do make a legitimate point about the hof credentials of relievers simply racking up a lot of saves doesn t mean a whole hell of a lot if you blow a bunch too simply because minnesota and boston and for a month atlanta used reardon as a closer for longer than he should have been one the equalizer has racked up an impressive number of saves no way should homerman be in the hof imho darrell evans nice career actually a bit underrated kinda like ted simmons imho but not a hof er well in any case i am sick and tired mostly sick of everybody giving hall of fame consideration to players that are by today s standards marginal lemme ask you this who the hell playing the game isn t marginal honestly ozzie smith and robin yount don t belong there they re both shortstops that just hung around for a long time big deal let s be a little more selective huh stop handing out these honors so liberally save them for the guys who really deserve it face it if something now wait a goddamn minute here ozzie smith absolutely redefined the position of shortstop his defense was so good that he s won something along the lines of gold gloves again gold gloves are mediot biased and a good argument could be made that larkin deserved one or two of ozzie s more recent awards but usually this is tempered by someone else in the early s getting the gold gloves ozzie deserved earlier in his career ozzie s offense you ask good obp great speed numbers in a park which for most of his career depressed offense admittedly no power cept against tom niedenfuer but still a definite asset offensively yount hits mvp at two different positions uh huh a real stiff his was one of the great years ever by a player in recent memory and probably ranks behind only the peak seasons of wagner and banks as far as ss numbers go he s a clear hof er imho isn t done there will be little prestige in the hall of fame anymore when certain individuals believe that steve garvey or jack morris are potential candidates the absurdity is apparent gee can these guys even compare to the more likely future hall of famers like kirby puckett or nolan ryan well as far as garvey goes you re right garvey is a mediot candidate pushed because of his winning attitude a minor factor if one at all and his great defense no errors admittedly but the range of a tree stump garvey shouldn t be in the hof skyjack i ve said a lot of nasty things about skyjack in the last year or so but this is mostly in response to mediots and woofers who talk about morris ability to win which is nothing more than morris ability to pitch when toronto to score tons of runs at this point morris is an average pitcher although from his early returns in he may be damned close to done but in all fairness morris was a dominant pitcher in the s for up and down tiger teams while was obviously a great year for detroit the rest of the decade the team was generally in contention but not favorites morris career numbers are quite good and worthy of hof consideration ryan of course but be careful i guarantee you that someone will throw back your earlier logic about yount and smith being shortstops who hung around a long time after all nolan never won a cy damn he s just pitcher who hung around for years his w l record is mediocre of course nolan s a hof er puck probably although he s got to play reasonably well for a few more years years even good ones aren t enough to make the hof most likely that said i believe puckett will make the hof pretty much regardless of how the rest of his career turns out barring something really tragic or sudden he s very popular in the media and with fans and legitimately has been one of the best cf s in the game since he joined the league i ve always liked the guy and i hope he does make it and in the end i think the puck will make it in but really it s too early to sell this debate comes up rather frequently on the net and believe it or not i never tire of it it s an interesting subject here s an off the top of my head list of potential hof ers from each team i probably left a couple of guys off so feel free to follow up i won t consider anyone who started playing after about again too early to tell note these are all active players i m not counting recent retirees baltimore cal ripken should be a lock by now even if gehrig s record stands boston roger clemens might be a lock already which is amazing dawson detroit alan trammell and lou whitaker possibilities milwaukee robin yount discussed earlier new york wade boggs possibly mattingly long shot toronto paul molitor and jack morris possibilities kansas city george brett lock minnesota kirby too early to tell winfield lock oakland eckersley lock mcgwire too early rickey lock welch long shot texas the mighty nolan too early to consider canseco or strange cubs sandberg lock st louis ozzie lock lee smith probably new york murray almost a lock saberhagen obviously he s got to regain past form and most certainly not vince coleman despite what he ll tell you los angeles butler strawberry and hershiser are all long shots san diego tony gwynn pretty good shot colorado dale murphy a good shot ryan bowen just to see if you re awake before i get flames this is an off the top of the head list there s probably a few deserving candidates that i left off and i didn t include barry bonds will clark any atlanta starting pitcher frank thomas canseco mcgriff etc because i only considered guys who started playing before e mail or post i almost fear what i may have started here bruce hasch hasch jhuvms hcf jhu edu sell the team eli if a hitter is a good fastball hitter does that mean i should throw him a bad fastball larry andersen
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re best homeruns darryl strawberry s moon shots were fun he can hit those high and far home runs that if he actually ran them out he d be rounding second base by the time they landed we used to say that he should have to file a flight plan at laguardia for some of them then bull durham came out and that was changed on homers he pulled that didn t go high they were microwave home runs microwave as in they got outta there in a hurry in a game in he came off the bench with the flu and on the second pitch send a rocket down the right field line that didn t even allow bob murphy the luxury of a home run call the story went he stayed in the clubhouse the with the mets down by two and two on davey johnson sent for him to pinch hit he came out of the clubhouse saying one swing and we go home he hit the homer ran the bases then went straight for the clubhouse to shower and go home those were the days scott barman mets mailing list feed the following into your shell scott asd com mail mets request asd com subscribe let s go mets
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re baseballisdead in article apr midway uchicago edu as midway uchicago edu writes my question to you all is why does the media seem to embrace the theme of the death of baseball so strongly i have seen articles of a similar vein in the chicago tribune and in sports editorials on tv maybe because baseball is the only business where those who are responsible for the fiscal aspects of the game preach gloom and doom these allegedly intelligent people seem to predict bad times losing money bankruptcies at an alarming rate and there s going to be an increased degradation of the product they produce could you imagine ibm with all their problems promoting themselves the way major league baseball does their stock would plummet to unthinkable depths not that they are too far from it now what would happen at gm where would gm be if they admitted to cutting corners and producing an inferior product because of alleged labor problems i think it shows a lack of confidence for the people who run the game anyway it just frustrates me when the media says such things because it inevitably leads to owners trying quick fixes like increasing play offs to satisfy television or trying interleague play to drum up interest forget it word has it three divisions with a wild card is just about a done deal it has to be decided soon since negotiations with the networks also have to begin soon scott barman mets mailing list feed the following into your shell scott asd com mail mets request asd com subscribe let s go mets
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re all time best players in article apr bsu ucs mbstultz leo bsuvc bsu edu writes i ve recently been working on project to determine the greatest players at their respective postions my sources are total baseball james historical abstract the ballplayers biography word of mouth and my own biased opinions feel free to comment suggest flame whatever but i tried to be as objective as possible using statistical data not inlcuded for time convience s sake i judged on rel ba adj ops total average fielding range runs total player rating total baseball stolen bases for curiosity s sake tpr g and years played mvp b career lou gehrig jimmie foxx eddie murray hank greenberg johnny mize willie mccovey dick allen harmon killebrew kieth hernandez it s i before e except after c and in people named keith bill terry george sisler b eddie collins joe morgan jackie robinson rogers hornsby nap lajoie rhyne sandberg learn to spell it s ryne charlie gehringer rod carew bobby grich bobby doerr ss honus wagner cal ripken jr john lloyd ozzie smith robin yount joe cronin arky vaughan luke appling ernie banks lou boudreau b mike schmidt ed matthews george brett wade boggs ron santo brooks robinson frank baker darrell evans pie traynor ray dandridge how can brooks be i think he would at least be ahead of ron santo c josh gibson a darren daulton mvp yogi berra johnny bench mickey cochrane bill dickey gabby hartnett roy campanella gary carter carlton fisk thurman munson lf ted williams stan musial rickey henderson carl yastrzemski barry bonds tim raines joe jackson ralph kiner willie stargell al simmons cf willie mays ty cobb tris speaker mickey mantle joe dimaggio oscar charleston andre dawson duke snider kirby puckett dale murphy rf babe ruth hank aaron frank robinson mel ott al kaline reggie jackson dave winfield roberto clemente tony gwynn pete rose p walter johnson lefty grove cy young christy mathewson pete alexander tom seaver roger clemens bob gibson warren spahn satchel paige juan marichal whitey ford bob feller jim palmer steve carlton overall estimated ruth williams mays cobb aaron wagner speaker schmidt w johnson mantle musial dimaggio f robinson grove henderson j gibson c young collins foxx mathewson alexander morgan j robinson hornsby ott seaver clemens matthews lajoie yastrzemski kaline brett gibson spahn charleston berra ripken jr lloyd raines sandberg gehringer o smith yount ba bonds paige r jackson marichal ford feller boggs again feel free to comment mike bsu
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re evil smile on my face as cubs beat braves boy hats off to any cubs fan who can actually muster up the courage to put down braves fans i mean all the braves have done is gone to two consecutive world series also being the cubs fan that i am i really have to hand it to all the braves fans out there that are capable of driving me crazy with that infernal cheer that they have however i do have to protest anyone saying that all cubs fans are stupid the way i see it either i m just too stupid to acknowledge it or that observation was just plain wrong you might have us confused with bear fans anyway about a two weeks ago just about everyone was saying that the cubs would finish up last in their division even behind florida sheesh these same people were predicting the braves to clean up in their respective division well we re ten games into the season and these people are a little less vocal now i wonder why well the way i see it the east is up for grabs and whoever wants it most is going to take it with the exception of florida every team seems to have good batting and pitching with philly presently leading the pack but i just have to point out if the cubs do take the east they ll do it without the benefit of a competent manager however and it pains me to say it the pennant is going to go to the west just had to get that off my chest doc bem benefit of a compee
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jose canseco s swing vs was going over some videos last night studying and videotapes of jose canseco proved to be very interesting and enlightening here s my analysis of jose canseco circa sep and jose canseco circa june he s bulked up too much period he needs to lose about pounds not gain more bulk his bat speed has absolutely vanished conservatively i d say he s lost of his bat speed and that s a huge amount of speed that open stance is killing him note that he acts sort of like brian downing way open to start then closes up as ball is released downing could do this without significant head movement canseco can t also note that canseco doesn t always close his stance the same way sometimes his hips are open sometimes they re fully closed without a good starting point it s hard to make adjustments in your swing what would i do if i were jose aside from salting away a large sum of a cash that i could never touch so that i d never have to work again i d restructure my entire swing first minimize movement before the swing close and widen the stance and severely cut down the stride i take on my swing hopefully this will cut down on the time i need to swing and will allow me to move the bathead more freely second drop pounds cut out the weight work third relax the wrists will cost some power but until i can find my stroke concentrate on keeping the back shoulder up rolling the wrists through the strike zone and hit line drives his strength is more than enough so that some of those line drives will get out of the park if canseco s open stance and resulting bad habits are a result of his back problems he ll be out of baseball in three years if not he could still hit hr gary huckabay you think that s loud enough a hole movie rights well if you re having trouble hearing it sir available thru i d be happy to turn it up for you i didn t ted frank know that many people your age liked king s x
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brewer bullpen rocked again for the second straight game california scored a ton of late runs to crush the brewhas it was six runs in the th for a win monday and five in the th and six in the th for a win yesterday jamie navarro pitched seven strong innings but orosco austin manzanillo and lloyd all took part in the mockery of a bullpen yesterday how s this for numbers maldanado has pitched three scoreless innings and navarro s era is the next lowest on the staff is wegman at ouch it doesn t look much better for the hitters hamilton is batting while thon is hitting and has seven rbi the next highest is three the next best hitter is jaha at and then vaughn who has the team s only hr at another ouch looking at the stats it s not hard to see why the team is in fact doesn t sound bad when you re averaging three runs game and giving up game still it s early and things will undoubtedly get better the offense should come around but the bullpen is a major worry fetters plesac and austin gave the brewers great middle relief last year lloyd maldanado manzanillo fetters austin and orosco will have to pick up the pace for the team to be successful milwaukee won a number of games last year when middle relief either held small leads or kept small deficits in place the starters will be okay the defense will be alright and the hitting will come around but the bullpen is a big question mark in other news nilsson and doran were reactivated yesterday while william suero was sent down and tim mcintosh was picked up by montreal today s game with california was cancelled salty
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ryan on dl heard minutes ago on koa radio denver nolan ryan to have arthroscopic on a knee and to miss weeks rockies nied lead mets gooden in th all runs in first inning gregg baseball ncar ucar edu cr o cr colorado rockies
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re braves pitching updatedir dave naehring x p ep dn pts mot com wrote in article adobe com snichols adobe com sherri nichols writes every single piece of evidence we can find points to major league baseball being offense defense a run scored is just as important as a run prevented this certainly passes the common sense test for me but is there any statistical evidence to say what percent of defense is pitching and what percent is fielding i d really like to know btw sherri thanks for the da data i find it fascinating one of the chapters in palmer and thorn s hidden game is titled pitching is of baseball implying that fielding is how do they determine that beats me it s been a long long time since i read it one also has to separate offense into batting and baserunning with the split probably somewhere around and neal traven pitt edu you re only young once but you can be traven vms cis pitt edu immature forever larry andersen
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re tigers thud see sig kurt bose as in daisy not rose kbos carina unm edu help cleanse r s b of all mindless woofing whenever someone at your site posts an article with a subject of the form my team r lz simply look him up in the directory hunt him down and beat him senseless easy fun rewarding
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sparky anderson gets win tigers beat a s tigers manager sparky anderson gets his th career win as moments ago the tigers completed a two game sweep over the oakland a s at tiger stadium by beating the a s here are the highlights r h e oakland detroit chad krueter scored skeeter barnes from st with an rbi double in the bottom of the ninth against none other than dennis eckersley to give the tigers the victory barnes also had an rbi single to score thurmond to tie the score in the ninth also off eckersley sp the a s got their runs on an rbi single by mcgwire in the st and a solo homer by reuben sierra in the th deer doubled home kirk gibson in the th for the other tiger run john doherty pitched another strong game for the tigers once again lasting through the seventh inning he was relieved by bolton and then david haas in the th and haas got the win bobby witt started for the a s and was replaced by honeycutt in the th followed by goose gossage in the th and finally eckersly in the th doherty gave up both of the a s runs while witt gave up the first tiger run and eckerseley gave up the last two in the post game interview on wjr radio in detroit sparky anderson said its one of the few times he s gotten emotional in his managing career it was a big moment for him and i m sure all of us tiger fans are unanimously very happy for him and what a way to get number considering the circumstances i think it might be appropriate to say woof go tigers randy
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re jose canseco s swing vs in article c jkik zf ucdavis edu ez dale ucdavis edu gary built like villanueva huckabay writes here s my analysis of jose canseco circa sep and jose canseco circa june he s bulked up too much period he needs to lose about pounds not gain more bulk i ve been saying that for at least years now and even the a s conditioning guru told jose he was carrying too much weight and losing some would help his back although i don t for one second believe jose used steroids his back problems are very similar to problems alot of steroid users experience because they are simply carrying too much weight on their frame see jeff bregel ex er as a textbook example and imho jose is too big for his frame his bat speed has absolutely vanished conservatively i d say he s lost of his bat speed and that s a huge amount of speed i can t imagine how to estimate bat speed but its pretty obvious that jose is missing fastballs he used to hit likely due to his back that open stance is killing him note that he acts sort of like brian downing way open to start then closes up as ball is released downing could do this without significant head movement canseco can t also note that canseco doesn t always close his stance the same way sometimes his hips are open sometimes they re fully closed without a good starting point it s hard to make adjustments in your swing i don t know he had an even more open stance when he first came up with the a s and had no problems with it then it might be that pre back problems he was quick enough to cover up any deficiencies the stance caused but now he s lost just enough bat speed that the stance hurts him the old saying if you re hot its a trigger mechanism if you re cold its a hitch first minimize movement before the swing close and widen the stance and severely cut down the stride i take on my swing hopefully this will cut down on the time i need to swing and will allow me to move the bathead more freely the biggest problem imho is he never has found a stance he s comfortable with for more than a few months he changes his stance so much he loses track of where the strike zone is in wednesday s night game he was clearly mad at strike calls on both corners that looked pretty good to me i think he no longer knows where the strike zone really is because he s changed his stance so much i m also a bit concerned that because he s got palmer and gonzalez hitting all the homeruns he ll become competitive swing even harder and screw himself up even worse larussa always said that canseco s famous batting practice homer shows did him more harm than good as they encouraged bad hitting habits russ smith i don t know anything about x s but i know about some o george gervin on being an assistant coach
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re the phillies deja vu robert c hite philly bach udel edu wrote i think most of the problems mainly arose from manager gene mauch s ineptitude in managing the pitching staff down the stretch he abused jim bunning chris short and robin roberts i think those are the three pitching each on only days rest for quite some time by the time they hit the last weeks of the season obviously none of these guys had an ounce left in their arm oh well roberts was long gone he was probably an oriole in or maybe a colt the rd starter was art mahaffey the previous year s ace dennis bennett was the th starter they were indeed up with to go but they won their final two games after the horrid loss streak the final game victory bunning s th win if memory serves kept the reds from tying for the title they and the phils were both game behind the cards with the giants another game back the mets couldn t hold an early lead against the cards that final sunday or there would have been a way tie too bad they couldn t have saved some of the or so runs they scored on saturday when they crushed st louis neal traven pitt edu you re only young once but you can be traven vms cis pitt edu immature forever larry andersen
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re tigers i basically agree the tigers are my favorite team actually their pitching might actually be better this year than last not that htat s saying a hole lot how bout that home opener on tuesday by the way sparky goes for win today
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hal mcrae dak s vma smsu edu writes no hal mcrae is the worst manager in baseball i haven t seen enough royals games to judge his tactics so you may have a point here but i ve never seen a guy who can waste talent like he can one of the best raw talent staffs in the league and he s still finding a way to lose imo the royals don t have a chance to win the pennant even if mcrae suddenly began channeling for john mcgraw ok they have some decent pitchers but when your offense consists of bums like gagne and lind and mcreynolds and mcrae and an over the hill brett you re not going to finish unless mcgraw brings christy mathewson back with him i d say it is hard to evaluate a manager when all of his hitters suck bob davis rbd thor ece uc edu
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jewish baseball players just wondering a friend and i were talking the other day and we were for some reason trying to come up with names of jewish baseball players past and present we weren t able to come up with much except for sandy koufax somebody stankowitz and maybe john lowenstein can anyone come up with any more i know it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this but humor us thanks for your help thanks bobby
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re wfan in article c jc z knd news udel edu philly ravel udel edu robert c hite writes in article apr virginia edu jja h virginia edu writes does any one out there listen to wfan for those of you who do not know what i am talking about it is an all sports radio staion in new york on a clear night the signal reaches up and down the east coast in particular i want to know how len berman and mike lupica s show is i go to school in virginia so i can t listen when there are on during the day just wondering you re right about the signal being strong i live in west philadelphia and i can get fan almost perfectly it s a sports fans dream especially if that person is from ny and wants to hear about his teams while he s away at school as for lupica berman it s turned out to be lupica then berman neither of them wanted to work a full four hour show so ed coleman and dave sims old four hour slot was broken down into two seperate two hour show lupica from and berman from and they both happen to suck in comparison to eddie and dave come back guys the fan is an okay sports radio station but doesn t come close to the ultimate in sports radio wip in philadelphia the signal might not be as powerful but then again only stations in new york feel obligated to pollute everyone else s airwaves with a bunch of hoodlum mets fans complaining hours a day wip took two of your best sports jockeys too jody macdonald and steve fredericks wip is rockin with sports talk from am till midnight check it out anytime your within a few hours of philadelphia if i m not mistaken wip has the highest sports talk ratings in the nation like i said i live in philly so i can hear fan and or wip whenever i want but i cannot stand wip and it isn t because i loathe the philly sports teams the phillies are my favorite nl team yanks are favorite al and the eagles aren t too bad either there are two big problems total emphasis on the home teams especially the eagles unlike the fan hosts who can at least answer a question about an out of town team if a caller asks the wip hosts seem to have no clue about any team that doesn t play on broad street also fans periodic sports updates every minutes gives sports news and scores from around the country it s very rare to hear an out of town score being reported on wip the hosts with the exception of jody macdonald who i miss from his days at fan none of the hosts really seems to have both a broad knowledge of the sport or a good on air presence the worst is gary cobb who seems to have been hired solely on the basis that he used to play for the eagles anyway that s my two cents on the whole fan vs wip battle alan
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re notes on jays vs indians series in c hpcv hl andy bgsu edu klopfens andy bgsu edu bruce klopfenstein writes cmk athena mit edu charles m kozierok writes in article apr csd newshost stanford edu nlu xenon stanford edu nelson lu writes guess which line is which ba obp slg ab h b b hr bb x y i just love how the alomar fans left rbis off this list give me a break alomar fans left rbi fans and runs off this list because they are dependant on the team to a large extent if frank thomas hit first he d lose a lot of rbi s and anyways how many nd place hitters have you known to drive in runs doesn t happen that often very unlikely with devon white s obp in front of you gord niguma fav player john olerud
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re notes on jays vs indians series in c hxlk fix andy bgsu edu klopfens andy bgsu edu bruce klopfenstein writes dtate pitt edu david m tate writes klopfens andy bgsu edu bruce klopfenstein said i just love how the alomar fans left rbis off this list of course they left rbis off we re comparing alomar the individual with baerga the individual so only individual stats count give me a break i forgot most runs are scored by players stealing home so rbi don t count for anything my mistake oh oh we all know what s going to happen now don t we gord niguma fav player john olerud
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re jewish baseball players in article apr lafibm lafayette edu vb lafibm lafayette edu vb writes just wondering a friend and i were talking the other day and we were for some reason trying to come up with names of jewish baseball players past and present we weren t able to come up with much except for sandy koufax somebody stankowitz and maybe john lowenstein can anyone come up with any more i know it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this but humor us thanks for your help thanks bobby hank greenberg would have to be the most famous because his jewish faith actually affected his play missing late season or was it world series games because of yom kippur pablo iglesias pi ruth ece jhu edu
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ryan rumor this just in nolan ryan hurt his right knee in the th inning of the rangers orioles game last night he ll be having arthoscopic surgery that will at best keep him on the dl for two to five weeks just when i had almost convinced myself that the rangers rotation would stay healthy this year phil allen texdude cs bradley edu
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need software for baseball stats i m looking for software hopefully free and runs on unix box which will keep track of statistics for my company softball team batting avg etc if you know of any please post or respond to me by e mail many thanks dan bergmann dbergmann llnl gov
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re notes on jays vs indians series in c hpg lm andy bgsu edu klopfens andy bgsu edu bruce klopfenstein writes kime mongoose torolab ibm com edward kim writes i would tend to call the offensive contributions even but alomar wins hands down in defensive capabilities i m not just talking about the number of errors nobody including lind has the range and athleticism at second base i can t recall in the recent past anyone turning the double play better than alomar well why don t you look up those stats baerga may not be the best defensive second baseman in the league but he s damn good check the stats for dps last year and see for yourself according to the defensive average stats posted by sherri baerga had the highest percentage of dps turned in the league while alomar had the worst however alomar had a higher defensive average so who would be better using alomar s opportunities groundballs possible double plays alomar had groundouts and turned dps baerga would have had with same da dp groundouts and dps using baerga s opportunites groundballs possible double plays alomar would have had with the same da dp groundouts and dps baerga had groundouts and dps baerga looks better though it s possible his dp would be lower with a different ss will baerga consistently turn twice as many double plays however alomar has established a high level of defense baerga has not i would bet on alomar to be better next year but last year baerga was just as good overall dale j stephenson steph cs uiuc edu grad student at large it is considered good to look wise especially when not overburdened with information j golden kimball
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re nl stats doug those stats are great they help immensely i tried to e mail you with some comments on them but my mail server does not recognize your address could you e mail me with some info on how to get e mail to you thanks jim bragg jbragg morgan ucs mun ca
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re i hate to mention acker but in article apr jhuvms hcf jhu edu hasch jhuvms hcf jhu edu bruce m hasch writes in article apr hpcvaac cv hp com paula koufax cv hp com paul andresen writes i feel as if i might be causing some bad karma by doing this but i just have to know is the ack man still in organized baseball glad you asked the ack man and nine of his relatives are currently impersonating the baltimore orioles pitching staff personally i believe that the evil ackers kidnapped the real o s staff and are currently in the process of impersonating mussina sutcliffe mcdonald olson no no no the ack man is apparently an alien life form much like the pod people from planet mars who can take on any form the ability remains the same however the ack people have been spotted on many teams to date but it appears that the orioles staff mentioned above and the expos bullpen barnes walton fassero gardiner and rojas have been the prime target apparently john wetteland was roughed up by the ack people during spring training due to the fact that his system rejected the takeover and has been on the dl ever since contact the authorities this evil plot must be stopped the ack people can keep jack morris and juan guzman though i enjoy watching toronto fans suffer too much to want these guys returned to normal scot scot hughes department of chemical engineering expos in falcon cs mcgill ca mcgill university montreal quebec witty saying here
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mcrae is re torre the worst manager in article bb c dak s vma smsu edu ext dak s vma smsu edu writes gt a prism gatech edu brian r landmann writes joe torre has to be the worst manager in baseball brian a very distressed cardinal fan no hal mcrae is the worst manager in baseball i ve never seen a guy who can waste talent like he can one of the best raw talent staffs in the league and he s still finding a way to lose i ll be surprised if he makes it through the next weeks unless drastic improvement is made kc news was doing a report on that they said that mcrae is really a batting coach and not a manager but for some reason he took the job whatever the reason the royals need a new manager now while it is too late scott d davis scott mccall com the mccall pattern company uucp widener depot mccall scott mccall road in kansas manhattan ks usa
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re notes on jays vs indians series in article blue cis pitt edu dtate pitt edu david m tate writes substituting irony for brains bruce klopfenstein said dtate pitt edu david m tate writes of course they left rbis off we re comparing alomar the individual with baerga the individual so only individual stats count i forgot most runs are scored by players stealing home so rbi don t count for anything uh right you also forgot that you can t get an rbi barring a hr with nobody on base what fraction of all runs come on solo hr most runs are scored because there happened to be players on base when the batter did something good i use the phrase happened to be advisedly lots of people have tried to figure out who the players are who have the most ability to turn it up a notch in clutch rbi whatever situations and what they ve found is that there is no evidence that anyone has such an ability to any measurable extent there are no clutch hitters people who tend to do things that would cause an rbi if there were somebody on base end up getting rbis proportional to how many of their teammates obliged by being in position my mistake i agree me too rbi are a worthless stat of course so is stolen bases because sometimes runners are in front of a player that would otherwise run and of course pitchers pitch differently with different people on different bases so batting average slugging and obp out too hmmm i guess homers would not count then either my point rbi might not be a perfect stat but nothing is and no stat or lack of can tell me there are no clutch hitters maybe no stat can tell me either but some people are i just know it ed o
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phillies a new ballpark in future attn those who live inthe philadelphia metro area back in september i was listening to wip and i remember the morning guys were talking with mayor ed rendell the topic of conversation was a new ball park for the phillies the location for this new park was suggested to be near th st station at the time the mayor was optimisitic that in the future this could become a reality has there been any new news on this subject or is it still a pipe dream i know the city of philadelphia has other projects ahead such as the new convention center and the upcoming spectrum ii but it would be nice to see this a reality it is planned that the phillies leave the vet and leave it solely to the eagles and if that s the case the eagles should make the vet a grass stadium but that s another story i want to see that day comments
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re dave kingman for the hall of fame in article apr news yale edu steve tomassi writes hi baseball fans so what do you say don t you think he deserves it i mean heck if dave winfield ho hum is seriously being considered for it as is lee smith ha then why don t we give dave kingman a chance or darrell evans yeah yeah after the hall of fame takes in them it can take in eddie murray and jeff reardon i am trying to think how to respond to this without involving personal feeling or perceptions and i can not without having stats to back up my points however i think you approached this the wrong way i believe all of the people mentioned here deserve the hall of fame more than dave kingman does i feel they were all much better players i am not saying i fell they deserve to go but that they would deserve it more imho dave kingman definately not they guy only had a couple of years were he could hit with atleast a respectable averag the rest of his career i do not think he was very feared by pitchers i also do not think he did a lot for the game i mean really i am a met fan he was a met for part of his career and i still would not back him for the hall of fame dave winfield i think so he is feared by pitchers he has had several season where he hit for a respectable average and his production numbers are in my opinion without stats better than kingman s probably by quite a bit i also perceive him to be a leader maybe not as much as some other people but none the less a leader i think he has made substantial contributions to the game of baseball and to society examples of this are some of the charitable things he has done i know some of this from when he was with the yankees i think he the type of player that kids can look up to and while this is definately not the only criteria for the hall of fame i think it deserves some consideration lee smith maybe i would have to see his stats again but he definately would deserve to go before the likes of kingman darrell evans no eddie murray maybe he has had a very good career he is a leader although a silent one he is a good role model are the stats good enough i am not sure but i would once again believe they are much better than kingman s both the average as well as the power numbers but not as good as winfield s just think eddie did not have as much publicity for most of his great years jeff reardon my guess is no but it kind of depends on his numbers off the top of my head i would take lee smith first well in any case i am sick and tired mostly sick of everybody giving hall of fame consideration to players that are by today s standards marginal honestly ozzie smith and robin yount don t belong there they re both shortstops that just hung around for a long time big deal well i strongly disagree here both of these guys deserve it for sure i talked about leadership above both of these guys are leaders and have been instumental in leading their teams to the post season robin does have very good offensive numbers both average and power and ozzie has okay numbers offensively the difference with ozzie is that if you gave him a home run for every run he saved by making an incredible play at shortstop he would have shattered aaron s home run mark by now how many of those great plays saved games how many of those great plays motivated his team to rally and win a game while i believe both of these guys have numbers baseball is about more than numbers or at least winning at baseball is about more than numbers both of these guys are proven stars and belong in the hall of fame as does george brett who also belongs in this class of player let s be a little more selective huh stop handing out these honors so liberally save them for the guys who really deserve it face it if something isn t done there will be little prestige in the hall of fame anymore when certain individuals believe that steve garvey or jack morris are potential candidates the absurdity is apparent gee can these guys even compare to the more likely future hall of famers like kirby puckett or nolan ryan steve garvey i am not sure probably not but i guess i could see someone making a case for him jack morris once again not my first choice but i can see why someone might bring up his name kirby puckett probably the only reason i do not say definately is he still has time left in his career if he continues doing what he has been then my probably will turn into a definately nolan ryan is there really any doubt i think i heard something about him having some records maybe they were not all good i don t know i did not hear any of them just the number he has the numbers he has the contributions to the game and community and he is a great role model i would not say that he is the best pitcher to ever pitch the game probably not even top but he would be the first pitcher i would put in the hall of fame because of his accomplishments no hitters strikeouts respectable numbers even with some weaker teams you can go on and on i really hope he gets all the possible votes so in summing up i have groups those that belong those that probably do but i am not sure and those that i lean towards saying don t belong at least not without my seeing stats and possibly hearing reasons why they should go yes winfield yount brett not in your mail o smith puckett and ryan maybe murray and l smith no reardon garvey morris evans and definately kingman as i said i do not have the stats around so i do not have numbers to back this up these are entirely my opinions based on my perceptions mike q steve
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re notes on jays vs indians series in article apr csd newshost stanford edu nlu xenon stanford edu nelson lu writes second basemen in history he probably didn t even have as good a season as alomar last year guess which line is which ba obp slg ab h b b hr bb x y the walks should give it away obp s in general somewhat more valuable than slugging and alomar s edge in obp was quite a bit larger than baerga s edge in slugging i m no sdcn but what s more valuable hits w more doubles more hrs or more triples and bbs let s not forget the extra sbs how many cs of course the hits and homers are more valuable but don t forget the outs you can t have it both ways baerga s higher raw numbers are due to him having more playing time and thus he had more hits and homers but don t forget the cost of those outs btw just to answer your question alomar had sb and cs baerga had sb and cs which gives a minute plus on alomar s side something else to consider alomar s h r splits were slg obp baerga s was and pretty clearly alomar got a huge boost from his home park i d say you could make a good for them being about equal right now t p rated baerga higher actually mike disclaimer these opiini h h damn h h q w q wq wq d x exit x q c quitbye ctrlaltdel q q logout save quit quit zz zzzzzz vi man vi l c e x i t help helpquit d d man help c c e help exit quit q ctrlshftdel hey what does stop l a d
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al opi through first week here is the opi offensive production index for all al players with at least at bats it is early in the season so there are some very high numbers last years leader was frank thomas at teams are denoted by an as the first character of the name and each player has his team preceeding his name the equations used are found at the end of the post comments and suggestions are welcome kevin league opi league ba league slg league oba rank player opi ba slg oba tor carter cle baerga det phillips oak mcgwire tor white bal anderson nyy owen oak rhenderson mil thon oak browne tex palmer det gibson cle howard nyy tartabull tex rodriguez tex gonzalez bos zupcic sea felder oak blankenship min puckett nyy oneill cle belle sea buhner mil hamilton det whitaker det fielder tor sprague whi cora whi raines nyy kelly bos quintana sea tmartinez cal gonzales whi burks cal snow whi karkovice cleveland cle sorrento sea amaral bos cooper min winfield cal curtis bos mvaughn oak steinbach oakland nyy maas kan joyner min knoblauch bos greenwell oak brosius tor olerud bal mercedes nyyankees bal hoiles mil kmak oak dhenderson cle lofton min larkin bos dawson cle camartinez det gladden cal polonia california detroit det tettleton cal disarcina cal easley bal baines tex franco whi ljohnson sea vizquel nyy bwilliams mil gvaughn min hrbek bal cripken seattle cal salmon kan mcreynolds toronto texas min pagliarulo whitesox kan hiatt whi guillen whi thomas kan mcrae boston cle hill nyy mattingly baltimore bal gomez minnesota whi fisk cle jefferson oak neel cal cdavis bos fletcher milwaukee det livingstone tor ralomar kansascity oak bordick tex canseco sea valle bal devereaux kan lind mil surhoff kan brett whi bell cle salomar mil jaha det fryman nyy boggs tex bripken min mack min harper cle fermin bos rivera mil spiers mil yount tor schofield tex hulse sea griffey sea obrien kan macfarlane oak sierra kan jose bos hatcher sea blowers whi ventura tex palmeiro bal reynolds kan mayne cal myers nyy nokes bos calderon bos pena tor molitor det deer det cuyler tor borders whi grebeck bal gdavis tex dascenzo min leius mil reimer tor djackson tex gill kan gagne b b b hr bb sb cs opi ab h ba h ab slg h b b hr ab oba h bb ab bb jet propulsion laboratory schmke cco caltech edu oak grove dr schmidt spc jpl nasa gov m s pasadena ca
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nl opi through first week here is the opi offensive production index for all nl players with at least at bats it is early in the season so there are some high numbers barry bonds finished last season at i welcome comments and suggestions kevin league opi league ba league slg league oba rank player opi ba slg oba phi daulton phi kruk cub grace cub may col boston pit bell col galarraga stl pena stl zeile cin mitchell mon lansing pit slaught mon vanderwal nym tfernandez snf martinez hou bagwell col hayes col eyoung mon alou cin milligan phi dykstra snf bonds flo conine snd plantier hou gonzalez hou anthony col cole atl sanders mon berry cub sosa stl jefferies pit vanslyke montreal los butler mon grissom pit king snd gwynn pit merced nym murray stl gilkey nym bonilla snd walters cub wilson flo weiss philadelphia atl justice pittsburgh stl osmith phi incaviglia pit young stlouis colorado nym hundley nym orsulak snf benjamin atl gant nymets houston mon pitcher phi morandini hou cedeno cin sabo snf manwaring snfrancisco atl blauser snf thompson hou caminiti flo barberie mon cordero snd sheffield los karros snf williams snd mcgriff flo destrade col girardi atl bream mon wood flo santiago phi thompson snf clayton los piazza snd bell los wallach cin larkin pit garcia cincinnati nym coleman nym kent stl whiten cin roberts cubs snf lewis hou finley col clark los pitcher sndiego atl lemke losangeles snf mcgee atlanta cin sanders cin oliver snd gardner los reed phi hollins florida los davis atl pendleton snf clark los strawberry hou biggio phi bell flo magadan stl pagnozzi pit martin col bichette hou taubensee mon bolick flo pose mon cianfrocco nym johnson cin kelly atl nixon nym pitcher pit pitcher cub buechle stl lankford atl olson cub vizcaino cub sanchez phi duncan los offerman snf pitcher mon laker phi chamberlain snd pitcher atl pitcher phi pitcher cub maldonado flo felix cin espy stl jordan atl berryhill cub pitcher snd shipley stl pitcher hou pitcher col benavides cin pitcher cub wilkins flo pitcher col pitcher b b b hr bb sb cs opi ab h ba h ab slg h b b hr ab oba h bb ab bb jet propulsion laboratory schmke cco caltech edu oak grove dr schmidt spc jpl nasa gov m s pasadena ca
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re oakland oaks memorabilia there is ebbets field flannels in seattle which makes lots of minor and negro league jackets and jerseys these things are real spendy around for a jersey but they are very authentic in look and nicely made paul long live steve bilko and the pcl la angels their phone number is the last catalog shows three oaks jerseys home home home they re each all their merchandise is handmade and is an authentic replica i own a couple and they are excellent they also have wool caps and jackets you should call to get on their mailing list even if you can t afford their prices anton
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ryam out for weeks nolan ryan has torn cartlidge inhis right knee is having surgery and is expected to miss weeks
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re defensive averages third base in c jjrj em cs uiuc edu steph cs uiuc edu dale stephenson writes compiled from the last five defensive average reports here are the career das for the individual players in the reports stats are courtesy of sherri nichols players are listed in descending order and some comments with some players deleted third basemen name mitchell kevin yep that kevin mitchell i never would have expected him in the spot gonzales rene it s no accident that the first two names are only as with first and second base was the year of the glove average da was points higher in both leagues than any other year leius scott looks good too bad he s moving to short pendleton terry highest five year regular though he s only had one year as good as kevin mitchell ventura robin wallach tim gruber kelly the other elite fielders in the league pagliarulo mike this is an interesting line his figure was slightly below average his was pathetic and his was the next best year by anybody part of that may be his mobility was with the yankees was with the padres who appear to have a rotten infield was with the twins and judging by leius and gaetti the metrodome may be a good place to play third williams matt add another to the elite fielders list caminiti ken sabo chris too fielders whose career average may overstate their value i don t know what happened to caminiti judging by the three previous years his low may be a fluke sabo is merely average however his incredible best year ever brings his average up a lot buechele steve strange last two years schmidt mike according to reputation one of the best fielders ever at third base but at the end he was below average average in was boggs wade boggs has been pretty good i don t know what happened in but every other year he has been above average usually by quite a bit martinez egdar last year a fluke or a portent nl average seitzer kevin al average why is it that the two leagues usually have defensive averages very close to one another but very different from year to year any ideas jacoby brook brook is declining hansen dave magadan dave jefferies greg three first time regulars above average in i m not sure why jefferies gets all the grief about his fielding he s never had a good year but while at second he improved to become an average fielder and is an average fielder at third zeile todd zeile on the other hand is a below average fielder each year he s about points below average and it s probably not just the park since terry pendleton had excellent das in the three years before this baerga carlos moving back to second was a good idea hayes chris so why is hayes supposed to be good defensively he s had a grand total of one year above the league da and was pretty bad last year johnson howard lansford carney howard johnson and carney lansford separated at birth to his credit hojo did have one above average year lansford couldn t even break the mark without the help of the year of the glove hollins dave good hitter but his fielding needs work sheffield gary not a good fielder blauser jeff fryman travis both are better off at shortstop gomez lee two consecutive horrible years for leo camden yards doesn t seem to have helped his fielding any palmer dean texas slugger debuts with not only the lowest career da but the lowest da at third ever congratulations dean dale j stephenson steph cs uiuc edu grad student at large it is considered good to look wise especially when not overburdened with information j golden kimball
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two stooges well the red sox have apparenly resigned herm winningham to a aaa contract ted larry simmons signed him to a aaa contract then released him from buffalo allowing lou curly gorman to circumvent the rule about not resigning free agents until may clearly neither of these guys is bright enough to be moe mike jones aix high end development mjones donald aix kingston ibm com make it right before you make it faster
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re yankee fears rawley eastwick
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re notes on jays vs indians series in apr webo dg com lyford dagny webo dg com lyford beverage writes in article apr cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu edward ted fischer writes in article rudyc fr q cl netcom com rudy netcom com rudy wade writes in article c fmxd pm cs dal ca niguma ug cs dal ca gord niguma writes reference to history because he certainly didn t have the best season for second basemen in history he probably didn t even have as good a season as alomar last year what do you have some measure like popularity in toronto doesn t count that you are basing this statement on uh yes baerga has a lot of flash but alomar was the better hitter last year batters ba slg obp g ab r h tb b b hr rbi bb so sb cs e baerga c alomar r this is fascinating you say that alomar was the better hitter last year and immediately follow that up with numbers showing that baerga had a better year the only category that i see which shows an advantage for alomar is obp hmmm what about walks and sb baerga got clobbered by alomar in obp and beat him in slg by a lesser margin even putting aside any other factors a player with a point edge in obp is more productive than a player with a point edge in slg the issue has been studied before and i doubt you could come up with any convincing argument the other way people see the batting average and the hr but they don t really know their value is worth unless they ve studied the issue closely the fact is that baerga ate up a lot more outs than alomar while baerga was making outs alomar was drawing walks and being on base for carter winfield et al gord niguma fav player john olerud
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sandberg runs rbis was re notes on jays vs indians series in article c jm m jw cs dal ca niguma ug cs dal ca gord niguma writes alomar fans left rbi fans and runs off this list because they are dependant on the team to a large extent if frank thomas hit first he d lose a lot of rbi s and anyways how many nd place hitters have you known to drive in runs doesn t happen that often very unlikely with devon white s obp in front of you i m pretty sure that sandberg has done this at least once i know someone will correct me if i m wrong rbis and runs scored are the two most important offensive statistics you can talk about obp and slg all you want but the fact remains the team that scores more runs wins the game flame away john bratt gord niguma fav player john olerud
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re torre the worst manager in article hydra gatech edu gt a prism gatech edu brian r landmann writes joe torre has to be the worst manager in baseball for anyone who didn t see sunday s game with a right hander pitching he decides to bench lankform a left handed hitter and play jordan and gilkey both right handers later in the ninth inning with the bases loaded and two outs he puts lankford a hitter with power in as a pinch runner and uses luis alicea a hitter with no power as a pinch hitter what the hell is he thinking educate yourself before you rip on this years manager of the year lankford injured himself in a previous game and torre was resting him as far as the whitten gilkey controversy whitten adds some more needed power and if jordan continues to hit the way he has been gilkey will find himself in the starting lineup soon enough sam brian landmann georgia institute of technology internet gt a prism gatech edu
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re jewish baseball players hank greenberg was probably the greatest ever he was also subject to a lot of heckling from bigots on the opposing teams and in the stands but it never seemed to affect his performance negatively bob davis rbd thor ece uc edu
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re omar vizquel grand salami do you think omar s grand slam is the result of his new fan club last week a banner appeared in the kingdome older women for omar cheryl cheryl marks hp ux address cherylm lsid hp com hp desk cheryl marks hpa telenet ma bell usps cheryl marks ms soper hill road everett wa too much of a good thing is wonderful mae west
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re pleasant yankee surprises in article apr alleg edu luriem alleg edu michael lurie the liberalizer writes actually i kind of liked the abott trade we did trade the rookie of the year snow but with don mattingly at first for another years why bother i d be willing to make two wagers snow doesn t win roy mattingly is out of baseball within five years i m skeptical of the first because i don t think snow is that good a player and he is on a losing team i m skeptical of the second because of his back mattingly is this year and how many players play until they are not too many and most of them didn t have chronic back problems when they were could be wrong on either or both but i think that s the smart way to bet cheers valentine
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re baseballisdead scott asd com scott barman writes forget it word has it three divisions with a wild card is just about a done deal it has to be decided soon since negotiations with the networks also have to begin soon preliminary negotiations started already i believe though the word is that they are going slooooooooooooooooooooooowly greg
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re let s talk phillies article from as follows from bml ns cc lehigh edu brian michael lucy subject re let s talk phillies date apr gmt organization lehigh university lines in article uflkll vpcekw e andrew cmu edu al x andrew cmu edu amit likhy ani writes excerpts from netnews rec sport baseball apr re let s talk phillies u msopher vaxc stevens like this oh well how do we spell cellar p i r a t e s ninja jew are there any philly fans who want to put money on that if not stop your woofing ben rivera got hammered true last week but tonight he pitched shutout innings and got runs behind him that s why we re one phrase for you fuck you thanks
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re notes on jays vs indians series in article apr news acns nwu edu edo casbah acns nwu edu edward ouellette writes my point rbi might not be a perfect stat but nothing is and no stat or lack of can tell me there are no clutch hitters maybe no stat can tell me either but some people are i just know it i was hoping somebody would mention clutch clutch baerga the two words simply do not go together with runners in scoring position baerga batted last year this doesn t quite suck but most batters hit better in this situation alomar he hit with runners in scoring position the difference alomar had rbis in such ab baerga had rbis in such ab baerga got more chances yet succeeded only more times frankly i don t believe in clutch but if i did my vote would go to alomar for mvp let alone best b in the al valentine
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re dave kingman for the hall of fame steve tomassi writes hi baseball fans so what do you say don t you think he deserves it i mean heck if dave winfield ho hum is seriously being considered for it as is lee smith ha then why don t we give dave kingman a chance or darrell evans yeah yeah after the hall of fame takes in them it can take in eddie murray and jeff reardon unfortunately you seem to lack the ability to rate players dave winfield has had a better career than half the people in the hall of fame eddie murray and darrel evans are both one of the top players of all time lee smith has had probably the greatest long career of any relief pitcher since with the possible exception of gossage on the other hand kingman probably isn t one of the best players of all time and reardon though a good pitcher isn t in smith s class career wise well in any case i am sick and tired mostly sick of everybody giving hall of fame consideration to players that are by today s standards marginal honestly ozzie smith and robin yount don t belong there they re both shortstops that just hung around for a long time big deal we re talking of the top players of all time here there probably aren t shortstops in history who were better than these two let s be a little more selective huh stop handing out these honors so liberally save them for the guys who really deserve it face it if something isn t done there will be little prestige in the hall of fame anymore when certain individuals believe that steve garvey or jack morris are potential candidates the absurdity is apparent garvey sucked morris while a very good pitcher simply doesn t belong near cooperstown gee can these guys even compare to the more likely future hall of famers like kirby puckett or nolan ryan if puckett and ryan okay no if there get into to the hall they will be marginal hall of famers unless puckett keeps hitting like he did last year for a while longer to put this in perspective here s a listing of the linear weights values of the careers of the players you mention in parenthesis is how high they are up on the greatest ever list if they make it while no one would claim these are perfect rankings they should give you a good value of these guys careers as compared to average players robin yount ozzie smith dave winfield eddie murray darrel evans kirby puckett nolan ryan jack morris dave kingman steve garvey to give you an idea of how these numbers compare to those in the hall of the eligible players whose career stats equaled are in the hall of fame the ones who aren t include th century players ron santo bobby grich and bob johnson of those eligible who score between and of are in of those eligible who score between and of are in greg
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re phillies a new ballpark in future in a philadelphia inquirer a few days ago it was reported that there were two plans for a new phillies stadium the already mentioned th street station proposal and a location near broad street and race street i think i can t remember the exact details but the stadium would be build practically downtown there is a small lot that could be used according to the paper the th street plan has run into some trouble because amtrak does not want to reroute some of its lines in order to accomodate the stadium i don t have an opinion just yet just letting everyone know that there are really two options being discussed right now neither of these plans will be put into effect very soon however because nobody wants to pay for it keith keller let s go rangers let s go quakers kkeller mail sas upenn edu ivy league champs when i want your opinion i ll give it to you
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box score abbrev woes can anybody figure out why some box score abbreviations make absolutely no sense at least in the local gannett rag that finds its way to my door i must have stared at cleman in the mets box for a good seconds this morning wondering who the hell it was wouldn t it make more sense to use colemn jay
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re infield fly rule one last infield fly question that has always puzzled me and hasn t yet been addressed i believe the rule also does not deal with this situation if infield fly is declared and the ball is caught runners can tag up and advance at their own risk as on any fly ball however if the infield fly is not caught at what point can a runner legally leave his base w o fear of being doubled off for advancing too early when the ball hits the ground when a fielder first touches the ball after it hits the ground enlightenment would be appreciated jay
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re jewish baseball players baseball players past and present we weren t able to come up with much except for sandy koufax somebody stankowitz and maybe john lowenstein can anyone come up with any more i know it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this but humor us thanks for your help john lowenstein is definately not jewish many in baltimore thought he was especially after he told the baltimore jewish times so but later he admitted that it was a joke
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re wfan in article c jc z knd news udel edu philly ravel udel edu robert c hite wrote wip took two of your best sports jockeys too jody macdonald and steve fredericks dude are you nuts wfan is second to none jody mac s exit was quite a loss but if you think fredericks on the fan was much of one you re pretty skewed sean
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re the phillies deja vu in article ericsc hzr eui netcom com erics netcom com eric smith writes yeah the phillies played over their heads almost the whole year but it all caught up to them in one game streak i am as old as man and i was a big phillies fan at the time age the dodgers or somebody else finish two games back that has to be one of the closest last minute scrambles ever since i was born in the late pleistocene i too remember that year the dodgers were several games out of first and i think finished sixth in the league this was kind of odd because they won the world series both the previous year and the following year warren usui i m one with the universe on a scale from to
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re the phillies deja vu previously i wrote yeah the phillies played over their heads almost the whole year but it all caught up to them in one game streak i am as old as man and i was a big phillies fan at the time age september is still a painful thing to remember but i can tell you that the phillies never led the league by that year going by memory alone i believe their biggest lead was games and they were ahead when the famous game losing streak began a streak during which it seemed that they found just about every way to lose known to man anyway i think they rebounded just before the end and won their last couple games and were still in the thing until the final day but finished tied with the giants one game out and didn t the dodgers or somebody else finish two games back that has to be one of the closest last minute scrambles ever ok you guys stirred up my childhood memories so i went and did some research on the final month or so of the season it turns out that my recollections were pretty darn accurate at least as far as the phillies record goes on september this was the top of the n l standings w l gb philadelphia cincinnati st louis san francisco this is a game by game description of the remainder of the phillies season date score opponent lead pitcher starting and winner loser houston bunning houston short houston bennett san francisco mahaffey baldschun win san francisco bunning san francisco short baldschun los angeles bennett los angeles wise los angeles mahaffey st louis bunning baldschun cardinals take over nd place from cincinnati st louis short san francisco bennett san francisco mahaffey giants move into a tie for nd with st louis san francisco bunning cardinals back in sole possesion of nd place houston short houston bennett houston bunning los angeles wise schantz los angeles short baldschun los angeles bennett baldschun los angeles bunning reds move back into tie for nd with cardinals well so far so good for the phillies but now it all falls apart cincinnati mahaffey reds take sole possesion of nd place cincinnati short cincinnati bennett milwaukee bunning milwaukee short boozer cards now back in rd giants in th milwaukee mahaffey schantz milwaukee bunning phils lose games in days reds take over st cardinals back in rd st louis short cardinals take over nd place phils drop to rd st louis bennett reds and cardinals now tied for st st louis bunning cardinals take game lead over reds cincinnati short roebuck phillies halt game losing streak cards lead reds by game did not play cards lose to mets reds tied for st phils game back cincinnati bunning cards beat mets take first by from reds and phillies whew what a finish and the final standings were w l gb st louis philadelphia cincinnati san francisco now it doesn t appear to me that phillies pitchers bunning and short were really overused at least by the four man rotation standard of the day until well along into the game losing streak at which time mauch was probably desperate for a win at any cost because the phillies substantial lead had evaporated the way they were used at that time may have made the problem worse although bunning had one of his sharpest games of the year in the final day shutout of the reds that cost the reds a share of the pennant bunning pitched a complete game six hitter striking out five and walking one it would be inetersting to see though how the total innings for the year for bunning and short stacks up against the rest of the league also notice that the phillies played every day from at least september through october while they didn t play substantially more games than the other teams the other teams each had a couple days off during that stretch eric smith erics netcom com erics infoserv com ci
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the bob dylan baseball abstract just a little something i found while reading the village voice which is not noted for its sports coverage but occasionally the print some interesting features this year the predictions team analyses for the season were presented in the form of bob dylan lyrics i don t have the article in front of me so i ll only give the memorable ones here that i remember and know the melody to i could dig up more if there is interest yankess to the tune of subterranean homesick blues howe is in the basement mixing up the medicine george is on the pavement thinking bout the government wade boggs in a trench coat bat out paid off says he s got a bad back wants to get it laid off look out kids it s somethin you did don t know when but it s columbus again mets to the tune of like a rolling stone once upon a time you played so fine you threw away dykstra before his prime didn t you people said beware cone he s bound to roam but you thought they were just kidding you you used to laugh about the strawberry that was headin out but now you don t talk so loud now you don t seem so proud about having to shop vince coleman for your next deal phillies to the tune of highway well daulton and dykstra should have some fun just keep them off of highway giants to the tune of the ballad of rubin hurricane carter this is the story of the magowan the man st petersburg came to pan for something that he never done he sits in the owner s box but one day he could have been the tampian of the world bill moakler lpo rutgers anime moakler remus rutgers edu po box atlantic anime alliance new brunswick nj chibi con i am not an otaku i am a free man
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going to a cubbies game well after suffering from an intense fit of minnesota induced cabin fever i ve decided to road trip to milwaukee and take in a couple of games this weekend a couple games at county stadium will be great to relieve tension but i thought why not go to wrigley for a game too i see the cubs are playing the phillies on sat start i believe that s eastern time listed i figured it would be fun to bounce down to wrigley for the day game and live it up a little i m wondering if anyone esp cubbie fans have some advice on if i m taking skokie hwy south until it runs into what s the best way to get to wrigley i m planning on getting there an hour or two early and paying through the nose for parking to keep things easy is it probable that i ll be able to walk up and get bleacher seats or on game day i figure since it s early in the year ryno s out and the weather isn t great i should be able to get tickets if not what s the best way to get advance tickets can i call the cubs ticket office directly and pick up tickets at the will call window any advice on where to eat before or after the game do they allow inflatable i luv ewe dolls present from lundy into the bleachers dave hung like a jim acker slider kirsch blue jays do it again in kirsch staff tc umn edu new quotes out of context not to beat a dead horse but it s been a couple o weeks this disappoints me punishments discharges jackhammering stephen lawrence
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re yankee fears i would e mail this to you but my mailserver doesn t recognize you or something anyway the worst pitcher on the yanks if you mean currently on the team then i have to go with scott i m a schizophrenic no i m not kamienicki sure occasionally the guy can pitch well for or innings but then he starts to go insane a sure sign that he s losing his stuff and his mind is when he starts to stalk around the mound between batters and yell at himself the worst all time yanks pitcher gotta go with ed new york i have to pitch in gulp new york whitson nuff said i m outta here like vladimir alan sepinwall xviii what s this this is ice this is what happens to water when it gets too cold this this is kent this is what happens to people when they get too sexually frustrated val kilmer real genius
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re sandberg runs rbis was re notes on jays vs indians series in article c jqby m a news rich bnr ca bratt crchh a nosubdomain nodomain john bratt writes rbis and runs scored are the two most important offensive statistics you can talk about obp and slg all you want but the fact remains the team that scores more runs wins the game flame away so what does that have to do with rbi s the team with the most rbi s doesn t necessarily win the game yes runs are the most important statistice for a team so why does every newspaper rank team offense by batting average but for an individual player runs and rbis are context dependent and tell us very little about the player himself and more about his teammates and position in the batting order ted frank thf kimbark uchicago edu i m sorry the card says moops the u of c law school standard disclaimers
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re old predictions to laugh at tedward cs cornell edu edward ted fischer writes from jpalmer uwovax uwo ca thu sep ron hassey will be a minor league manager with the yankees dunno what happened to him maybe i can help you he s a major league coach with the rockies so above prediction is doubly wrong my prediction the red sox cubs series and vikings broncos superbore will occur at the end of the world and one rockie will finish in the top of an offensive catagory this year and no rockie starter will have an era below and the rangers fade will not begin until august they ll give way to the angels but still challenge to the end really not making any of this up if i am may god strike me down zzzzzzt thanks for listening valentine dylan wilbanks environ con the official usenet rabid fan of the major u of colorado boulder colorado rockies clip this sig for po box boulder co off on your next rockies woof life is bigger this space intenionally blank
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phils nl east not so weak i love it how all of these people are blaming the phillies success on a weak division why don t we look at the record of the teams in each division read inter divisional play we ll see that the east is really kicking the shit out of the west i know it is early but that is all we have to go on atlanta is just so strong with their ba cincinnati is coming off a sweep at veteran s stadium in philadelphia and houston was swept in it s first three games by the phillies in the astrodome that my western division friends shows that the three best teams in your division may not be as strong as you think phils all the way in braves hit like a aaa club reds need marge bob
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lots of runs i have noticed that this year has had a lot of high scoring games at least the nl has i believe one reason are the expansion teams any thoughts charles
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re torre the worst manager in article hydra gatech edu gt a prism gatech edu brian r landmann writes joe torre has to be the worst manager in baseball for anyone who didn t see sunday s game with a right hander pitching he decides to bench lankform a left handed hitter and play jordan and gilkey both right handers later in the ninth inning with the bases loaded and two outs he puts lankford a hitter with power in as a pinch runner and uses luis alicea a hitter with no power as a pinch hitter what the hell is he thinking for your information lankford is injured i think it is his shoulder or rib cage so he could not use him as a pinch hitter earlier in the game in an interview about acquiring mark whiten he commented how fortunate the cardinals were to get whiten and that whiten would be a regular even though this meant that gilkey would be hurt but torre said he liked gilkey coming off the bench gilkey hit over last year what does he have to do to start the guy would be starting on most every team in the league i do believe that whiten was a very good aquisition for the cards he does not have too much offensive capabilities but he is an awesome defensively since when have the cardnials actually thought of offense instead of defense i forgot who st louis gave up for him but it was not too much as far as gilkey is concerned he is a leftfielder and so is brian jordan who beat him out i expect to see a gilkey jordan platoon in lf furthermore in sundays game when lankford was thrown out at the plate the replay showed bucky dent the third base coach looking down the line and waving lankford home i agree with you on this one as soon as larkin threw that ball i knew that lankford was a dead bird but how could dent have known that larkin would make a perfect throw i strongly believe that torre is one of the best managers in baseball don t forget the overachieving cards of that won all those close games and went from last place to second place although they were oveshadowed by the braves twins last to first climb he won a division title and barely lost a pennant race when he was with the braves why atlanta ever even considered firing him i will never understand with torre at the controls the cardinals are heading in the right direction one more thing one game does not make a season yes they lost to the reds but with the second best pitching staff in the national league first in the east and a pretty good offense the redbirds will win a lot more than they lose maybe this is the year that they will go all the way charles a very enthusiastic cardnials fan charles rosen thirty four to thirteen university of alabama national champs roll tide tuscaloosa al need i say more
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the bob dylan baseball abstract reposted without permission from rec music dylan in article apr uvaarpa virginia edu buck vax museum upenn edu wrote for those of you who like both bob and baseball check out the current village voice april p john lammers and hart seely have written the bob dylan baseball abstract and they have covered every team in both leagues example colorado an the silent bats will shatter from the scores between the lines for they re one too many castoffs and a thousand runs behind rebecca buck vax museum upenn edu gerry myerson
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re why spanky on mon apr gmt in apr mnemosyne cs du edu greg spira gspira nyx cs du edu wrote does anybody in the pittsburgh area know why mike lavalliere was released last year i kept saying that slaught should get the bulk of the playing time that he was clearly the better player at this point but leyland insisted on keeping a pretty strict platoon and now he is released that doesn t make any sense to me greg the story goes like this spanky is too slow if he were quicker he would still be here but with slaught and tom prince they didn t want to lose prince in order to bring up that th pitcher slaught is about as good as spanky and prince is coming along nicely don t feel too bad for him he s still gonna get theat over the next two years he ll be able to do most of what he wants to do jon iain boone network systems administrator boone psc edu iain cmu edu pittsburgh supercomputing center i don t speak for anyone other than myself unless otherwise stated
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re braves pitching updatedir not clear to me at all i d certainly rather have a team who was winning games than games in the game luck is going to play a much bigger role than in the game but you still need the pitching staff to hold the opposing team to one run sam sherri nichols snichols adobe com
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re jewish baseball players in article qkkodinn f jhunix hcf jhu edu pablo jhunix hcf jhu edu pablo a iglesias writes in article apr lafibm lafayette edu vb lafibm lafayette edu vb writes just wondering a friend and i were talking the other day and we were for some reason trying to come up with names of jewish baseball players past and present we weren t able to come up with much except for sandy koufax somebody stankowitz and maybe john lowenstein can anyone come up with any more i know it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this but humor us thanks for your help thanks bobby hank greenberg would have to be the most famous because his jewish faith actually affected his play missing late season or was it world series games because of yom kippur i thought that was sandy koufax sam pablo iglesias pi ruth ece jhu edu
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re jose canseco s swing vs in article c jkik zf ucdavis edu ez dale ucdavis edu gary built like villanueva huckabay writes was going over some videos last night and you wrote an excellent report about it he s bulked up too much period he needs to lose about pounds not gain more bulk his bat speed has absolutely vanished conservatively i d say he s lost of his bat speed and that s a huge amount of speed that open stance is killing him note that he acts sort of like brian downing way open to start then closes up as ball is released downing could do this without significant head movement canseco can t also note that canseco doesn t always close his stance the same way sometimes his hips are open sometimes they re fully closed without a good starting point it s hard to make adjustments in your swing i understand from an unreliable source that canseco was considered expendable by the a s when he refused to accept any coaching about his batting stance the a s brain trust came to believe that his back problems were exacerbated if not caused by having a wide open stance closing it quickly and then swinging with a lot of torque that s a paraphrase of what i remember in any event canseco took the road that he and he alone would decide his stance and the a s began to believe that he would either reinjure himself or begin to lose his ability to hit for both average and power aside from salting away a large sum of a cash that i could never touch so that i d never have to work again i d restructure my entire swing apparently you sound like larussa second drop pounds cut out the weight work the a s also objected about this if canseco s open stance and resulting bad habits are a result of his back problems he ll be out of baseball in three years if not he could still hit hr again i m just repeating something i heard but possibly the cause and effect is the reverse of that the beastmaster mark singer mss netcom com
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re jewish baseball players you can add steve rosenberg one time white sox reliever now in the mets system to the list greg
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the bob dylan baseball abstract just a little something i found while reading the village voice which is not noted for its sports coverage but occasionally the print some interesting features this year the predictions team analyses for the season were presented in the form of bob dylan lyrics i don t have the article in front of me so i ll only give the memorable ones here that i remember and know the melody to i could dig up more if there is interest yankess to the tune of subterranean homesick blues howe is in the basement mixing up the medicine george is on the pavement thinking bout the government wade boggs in a trench coat bat out paid off says he s got a bad back wants to get it laid off look out kids it s somethin you did don t know when but it s columbus again mets to the tune of like a rolling stone once upon a time you played so fine you threw away dykstra before his prime didn t you people said beware cone he s bound to roam but you thought they were just kidding you you used to laugh about the strawberry that was headin out but now you don t talk so loud now you don t seem so proud about having to shop vince coleman for your next deal phillies to the tune of highway well daulton and dykstra should have some fun just keep them off of highway giants to the tune of the ballad of rubin hurricane carter this is the story of the magowan the man st petersburg came to pan for something that he never done he s sit in the owner s box but one day he could have the tampian of the world
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re jewish baseball players in article apr lafibm lafayette edu vb lafibm lafayette edu vb writes it s stankiewicz not stankowitz and he s not jewish he s polish by the way the correct pronunciation according to stanky himself is ston kev itch all the sportscasters get it wrong polish and jewish are not mutually exclusive mark singer mss netcom com
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