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re best homeruns in article hpcc corp hp com boell hpcc corp hp com donald p boell writes i d have to say the most impressive hrs i ve ever see came from dave kingman and his infamous moon raker drives i remember one he hit circa at wrigley field that went across the street in dead center field and hit a house on the roof he whiffed a lot but when he did connect watch out include std disclaimer h dan s
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re jewish baseball players in article mssc k z fur netcom com mss netcom com mark singer writes polish and jewish are not mutually exclusive i didn t mean to offend or anything i m just quoting stanky himself on the subject i remember one time last year he was being interviewed by espn and the interviewer can t remember who asked stanky if he was jewish because he the interviewer was jewish and wanted to see more jewish ballplayers to which stanky replied i m polish not jewish so maybe that wasn t the most pc thing for stanky to say and maybe i was a little naive when i posted it i think we should just devote this subject to finding actual jewish ballplayers i myself am jewish and the only ones i ever knew until now were koufax greenberg and blomberg alan
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re infield fly rule jrogoff scott skidmore edu jay rogoff writes one last infield fly question that has always puzzled me and hasn t yet been addressed i believe the rule also does not deal with this situation however if the infield fly is not caught at what point can a runner legally leave his base w o fear of being doubled off for advancing too early the runner can leave his base at any time if the ball is caught he s got to tag up if it isn t caught he doesn t have to tag up at all so if he s feeling lucky your runner at second can sprint for glory as soon as the ball is popped up if it isn t caught he s probably scored a run if it is he s probably headed for aaa the only effect the infield fly has is to make the batter out thereby removing the force on the runners on base all other rules apply as if you were standing second with first open and the ball is popped up tim shippert shippert cco caltech edu if we are going to stick to this damned quantum jumping then i regret that i ever had anything to do with quantum theory e schrodinger
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alomar vs baerga i was hoping to stay out of this lyford frosty beverage writes uh yes baerga has a lot of flash but alomar was the better hitter last year batters ba slg obp g ab r h tb b b hr rbi bb so sb cs e baerga c alomar r this is fascinating you say that alomar was the better hitter last year and immediately follow that up with numbers showing that baerga had a better year the only category that i see which shows an advantage for alomar is obp well obp is the most important offensive statistic and by a big margin points of obp is worth considerably more than points of slugging that being said i still think baerga was very slightly better last year but i think this is as close to a wash as you re likely to find i personally don t care much for alomar s defense i don t think he s nearly as good as people make him out to be and he can t turn the dp to save his life he comes across the bag improperly and his release is slow considering the high leverage of the dp this is a shortcoming i can t overlook in the long term i d move alomar to another position if the jays could trade a hot devon white for something i ll be alomar could be a hell of a cf in the long run i think i d rather have jeff kent at b and alomar in cf than alomar white gary huckabay you think that s loud enough a hole movie rights well if you re having trouble hearing it sir available thru i d be happy to turn it up for you i didn t ted frank know that many people your age liked king s x
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re darrrrrrrrryl in article mssc kcru ip netcom com mss netcom com mark singer writes the media is beating the incident at dodger stadium on wednesday to death but i haven t seen anything in rsb yet gerald perry of the cardinals pinch hit in the eighth inning with two on and his club down by a run he stroked a line drive into the right field corner the ball cleared the three foot high fence and went into the crowd darryl racing over from right center got to the spot in time to reach his glove up over the short fence but he missed the ball a fan sitting in the front row wearing a mitt reached up and caught the ball home run now i ve seen the replay several times and i have concluded that darryl missed the ball and that the fan s glove was essentially behind darryl s several dodger fans with seats in the immediate vicinity have claimed that the fan unquestionably interfered with strawberry what cannot be disputed however is that the fan who caught the ball never took his eye off it he was oblivious to where the fielder was playing he was also quite exuberant as soon as he realized he had made the catch stuff about daryl and tommy and everyone blaming fan for the loss deleted i saw the replay several times too no question about it daryl missed the ball then the fan caught it daryl is so tall that he had the first shot at the ball daryl s just whining again i think it shows a lack of class when tommy daryl and the dodgers blame a single fan for losing the game what about the pitcher who threw up the gopher ball what about the pitchers that gave up runs up to that point sorry tommy if it were a game and daryl was feet inches tall then maybe just maybe you d have an argument
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bonds vs maddux i ve been following the giants closely over the off season newspapers notesgroup etc but i had my first up close and personal last night at the stick after watching giants hitters struggle last year barry s swing was very impressive he s very quick and his swing seems effortless even compared to clark particularly clark as of late it was interesting to see bonds hit maddux so well i m not sure if barry was after revenge against the braves or what but he stroked three very pretty hits b b hr for rbi s the giants as a team are doing a lot of surprising things this year in addition to bonds there has been some good pitching and some hitters seem to be swinging much better clayton s defense has been superb mcgee seems to like leading off this year manwaring is driving the ball so on so forth i hope it continues i think they need to continue well into june before people are really sold that they are for real particularly the pitching for myself i think the fresh start of magowan baker etc has really wiped out a lot of negatives from the last few years and will be a real factor in helping them significantly improve over last year joe loos loos cup hp com
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yankee bullpen help buck showalter just can t win bob wickman s pitching the game of his life through eight innings yanks lead so buck decides to let the kid try and get his first complete game wickman manages to get two outs but in between four funs score and all of a sudden it s and wickman just can t get the third out so buck goes to the bullpen and farr gets out the first guy he faces last night jimmy key is pitching another in a long string of games of his life this guy just keeps getting better through eight innings yanks lead this time buck thinks i don t want a repeat of that near fiasco with wickman so i ll give my bullpen some work steve howe whose era was coming into the game left with it at he didn t do too good then farr comes in he gives up a two run homer and the royals win it what s going on this is already the third or fourth time this year that the bullpen has blown a lead farr howe have done it twice together monteleone s done it once and i think even habyan did it once what s the deal we finally have terrific starting pitching so all of a sudden our bullpen turns to shit what s buck gonna do and what s george gonna do if this continues to happen alan
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re jewish baseball players bo bilinsky
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re infield fly rule jrogoff scott skidmore edu jay rogoff writes one last infield fly question that has always puzzled me and hasn t yet been addressed i believe the rule also does not deal with this situation if infield fly is declared and the ball is caught runners can tag up and advance at their own risk as on any fly ball however if the infield fly is not caught at what point can a runner legally leave his base w o fear of being doubled off for advancing too early when the ball hits the ground when a fielder first touches the ball after it hits the ground enlightenment would be appreciated i m not sure i understand this question when the if rule is invoked the batter is automatically out this relieves the runners from being forced to advance to the next base if the ball is not caught other than that isn t it just the same as any situation in which a runner on a base is not forced to the next base on a dropped fly ball that is if the ball is caught he can tag up and run or decide to stay and if the ball is dropped he can have left the base at any time eric smith erics netcom com erics infoserv com ci
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re astros are back in article apr rosie uh edu st rp rosie uh edu schwam david s writes in article c hhwv cvk austin ibm com marc yogi austin ibm com marc j stephenson writes astros relief corps holding together if doug jones keeps his changeup effective and xavier hernandez can be effective then it s passable there s no reasonable left handed help and the middle relief is iffy tom edens was expected to take over the joe boever setup man role but he s been injured and he was an expansion team acquisition anyway houston thought that boever would demand too much money so they let him go doug jones can lose his touch he went from cleveland s all star closer to the minors in a pretty short span from what i understand boever and murphy were considered expendable by the club houston felt that their positions could be filled by a number of players art doug jones is the key to houston s success he must have another great year for houston to challenge in the nl west no argument at all with murphy he scared the hell out of me when he came in last year on the other hand the club though enough of boever to put him into an awful lot of games he may have led the league in appearances he did at least at some point he seemed to be a very viable setup guy but i guess that s not considered that crucial by the club i can just remember two years ago so well though the unsuspected strength of the lower part of the order has saved the club so far biggio and finley just aren t doing their job of getting on base instead of filling his role as an rbi man bagwell has had to assume biggio and finley s job biggio concerns me since he usually starts the season very strong i m not that concerned those guys have been relatively consistent over the years and they have no good reasons to decline no injuries not old i expect them to come through just fine it s those guys that have not been consistently good that are the worrisome part even if they are coming through right now on a side note are you at all concerned with the rumors concerning next year s uniform there is talk that their road uniform will be blech traditional grey with the word houston written across the chest if i m not mistaken their home uniforms may totally eliminate the color orange shiver mclane s favorite color is red so this sounds like their old road unis pretty dull buttons or pullovers i ll check through my uniform book to see if they ve always had some orange i m really upset the current unforms are dull and the new ones sound horrible i d like to see the uniform of the mid s return they may not have been pretty but houston had established a long precident of wearing the ugliest uniforms in baseball and i liked it well we ll see i ve got a astros pullover shirt with the astros stripes across the shoulders and i have trouble making myself wear it in public i can see why they might want that to change gee if they eliminate the orange will they reupholster the seats in the astros stripes section what used to be the gold and yellow levels i don t know those numbers they use now i saw a pinstripe version of an astros cap and i actually thought it looked good marc stephenson ibm aws advanced workstations systems austin tx disclaimer the content of this posting is independent of official ibm position internet marc austin ibm com vnet marc at ausvmq ibm t l
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re players rushed to majors in article hydra gatech edu re prism gatech edu russell earnest writes in article apr holos uucp lbr holos uucp len reed writes in article c hq o g p tss com hanson tss com hanson loo writes didn t bob horner go straight from arizona state univ to the atlanta braves i remember he had one great month hitting dingers and then the next i heard he was in japan a month well he did have a short career compared to what one might have expected for such a highly touted prospect due to being injury prone overweight and having no work ethic but he certainly did not suffer from being rushed to the bigs sorry len this is exactly how he suffered from being rushed to the bigs being overweight and having no work ethic leading to being injury prone with nothing to loose might have been corrected in richmond did you intend a smiley after your comment if i remember correctly which is always in doubt horner s signing with the braves was contingent on starting in atlanta i think he could have gone back to arizona st for one more year if he hadn t signed anyhow the braves did try to send him to richmond once it lead to a week long walkout methinks horner had no work ethic before he was drafted and minor league play wouldn t have helped but his raw talent would have gotten him into the ml and it did keep him there for a while until he started falling on his wrists eric too lazy to update his sig roush
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re jewish baseball players al weiss played second for the white sox in the early sixties chiefly as back up to don buford good glove no hit some spunk which reminds me do they still serve kosher hot dogs at the new comiskey mark bernstein eastgate systems inc main street watertown ma usa voice in usa eastgate world std com compuserve applelink eastgate
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jewish broadcasters was jewish baseball players for that matter how many gentleman of the press box have been jewish the only jewish sportscaster that comes to mind is steve williams who had a phillies show on kyw in philadelphia in the s mark bernstein eastgate systems inc main street watertown ma usa voice in usa eastgate world std com compuserve applelink eastgate
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candlestick park experience long i ve been a giants season ticket holder for years and never really complained about the old ballyard place sure it s been cold the food lines were long and the hired hands were surly but this was all part of the giants mystique or so i thought i went to tuesday s game giants over the marlins and the stick was a much different place nothing short of a dome will eliminate the wind but everything is a lot better the lines are a lot shorter the bathrooms are clean and have running water and the hired hands were very polite the new foghorn lights up and blows after each homerun and the wooden fence are very nice as are the new bleachers the bleachers start right at the top of the fence and give a great view and they ve got beer stands at the bottome of the bleachers the only complaint is that the electronic old fashioned scoreboard looks electronic could be better these things should have been done a long time ago but it took a real businessman ex safeway president peter magowan to figure it out just like he used to tell his checkers if the customers don t come back i don t need as many checkers this isn t a knock on bob lurie he was a competent businessman but he didn t deal much with the general public i ll give an example of how the level of service has changed the onion dispenser jammed as i was using it an attendant came over apoligized for the problem and proceeded to fix the machine after he was done he cleaned the machine and said he was glad to be able to help in the old days there was no attendant and the folks at the concession stands would say go to the stand feet away they might be able to help all in all it was a fun day craig eid e mail address craige hpsad sad hp com
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re when is melido due back in article nittmo camelot nittmo camelot bradley edu christopher taylor writes when are the yankees planning on activating melido perez his days on the dl are up today but are they bringing him back this weekend thanks for any info the chicago tribune pitching form has perez pitching today but given the way that buck changes his rotation so often that could just be the work of a confused stat page editor adam as midway uchicago edu aka mercutio obligatory go yankees for baseball season s woodlawn ave apt chicago il
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kansas city e mail contact would the person who is running the e mail list for kansas city royals please e mail details regarding mailing list if you on the list and know the info please send me info as well please e mail as i don t have time always to read this group john john carson mindlink bc ca d john carson j h concepts
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re ind source picks baerga over alomar case closed in article c l dn ub andy bgsu edu klopfens andy bgsu edu bruce klopfenstein writes fester island com mike fester writes i d say you could make a good for them being about equal right now t p rated baerga higher actually finally an objective source alomar s a great player but so is baerga nice to see the objective source cited rather than my dad s bigger than your dad posts i know you have this fucked up idea that anybody who prefers alomar to baerga must be a jay lover and indian hater sorry you got that one wrong i hate the jays and don t care one way or the other about the indians but objectively alomar had the better offensive year last year so i have to pick him you admit t p as a reliable objective source then you will note that they rated alomar as the better offensive player chosing baerga over alomar only because of his defense that s a joke alomar might not be a gold glover but he s certainly no worse than baerga defensively valentine
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re defensive averages third base in article c l v srgenprp sr hp com craigs srgenprp sr hp com craig stelter writes gaetti gary apologies if i don t know what i m talking about but as a twins fan i like to think they have good players in any park not sure if i remember completely or not but i think gaetti played with the twins in for the world series and again in note that s his lowest of the i believe the next or at least the last two were played with the angels lots of factors make a player excell i hate it when so many use the dome it may not be ideal but nice to comfortably enjoy baseball and football even when it s snowing and raining craig i m sure the company for which i work does not have all the same opinions that i do the event that had the most impact on gaetti s career was his leg injury in his performance dropped radically from to he was still with the twins in and but if you look at his stats both offensive and defensive he never has come back to his pre injury level brendan
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re best homeruns i haven t been following the previous hr s but there are two that i saw live that would have to be up there up where there rick monday s hr to bury the expos in the nl championship in it was hit off steve rogers who is a rhp and primarily a starter why was he used as a reliever when the spos had reardon and billlee warming up in the bullpen considering monday couldn t touch lhp lee would have been a safe bet he wasn t even doing any drugs at that time or so he told me and around others on a recent venture into montreal the blast wasn t the important aspect it was the timing seventh game a tie game and in the top of the th the expos almost came back though mike schmidt hit one that killed the expos in so close yet so far and strawberry killed a pitch on the second day of the season a couple of years ago it went off the technical ring in the big o it almost left the stadium that was hit hard corelmark
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re nl vs al in article c dxqp hoo news rich bnr ca bratt crchh a nosubdomain nodomain john bratt writes how about game length i don t know if this is a valid statement or not but al games sure seem to last a lot longer make sure to take the sutcliff fisk ect factor into account russ anderson disclaimer any statements are my own and do not reflect upon my employer or anyone else c ex twins jack morris innings pitched runs world series mvp
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re defensive averages third base in c l v srgenprp sr hp com craigs srgenprp sr hp com craig stelter writes dale stephenson steph cs uiuc edu wrote in c jjrj em cs uiuc edu steph cs uiuc edu dale stephenson writes compiled from the last five defensive average reports here are the career das for the individual players in the reports stats are courtesy of sherri nichols players are listed in descending order and some comments with some players deleted third basemen leius scott looks good too bad he s moving to short pagliarulo mike this is an interesting line his figure was slightly below average his was pathetic and his was the next best year by anybody part of that may be his mobility was with the yankees was with the padres who appear to have a rotten infield was with the twins and judging by leius and gaetti the metrodome may be a good place to play third gaetti gary apologies if i don t know what i m talking about but as a twins fan i like to think they have good players in any park not sure if i remember completely or not but i think gaetti played with the twins in for the world series and again in note that s his lowest of the i believe the next or at least the last two were played with the angels actually gaetti s first year with california was his da wasn t out of line with his career averages and his was actually below average in but check out the last three years at the metrodome gaetti al avg pags leius al avg leius al avg for the last three years the highest das in either league have been posted by minnesota players three different ones including one pags who was mediocre to horrible elsewhere that doesn t prove a park effect is at work any more than san diego s horrible infield numbers prove a park effect is at work but it looks like a strong possibility to me lots of factors make a player excell i hate it when so many use the dome it may not be ideal but nice to comfortably enjoy baseball and football even when it s snowing and raining and it might even be a nice play to thrid base dale j stephenson steph cs uiuc edu baseball fanatic it is considered good to look wise especially when not overburdened with information j golden kimball
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re phills vs pirates in article apr vfl paramax com edd gvlf a gvl unisys com ed dougherty writes as a philly fan as as a penna baseball fan i m anxious to see the penna series anyone know when it starts and where the first games will be played this is i think always good baseball to me and the pirates are also off to a good start ed doc when is it did you say well let me shell out here and run this handy dandy program mlb m pit phi and the answer is monday pittsburg at philadelphia pm tuesday pittsburg at philadelphia pm wednesday pittsburg at philadelphia pm friday philadelphia at pittsburg pm saturday philadelphia at pittsburg pm sunday philadelphia at pittsburg am friday pittsburg at philadelphia pm saturday pittsburg at philadelphia pm sunday pittsburg at philadelphia am monday philadelphia at pittsburg pm tuesday philadelphia at pittsburg pm wednesday philadelphia at pittsburg pm thursday philadelphia at pittsburg pm this is a great little program its available at an ftp site near you unfortunatly i don t recall which one any schedule question you got is answered with this little gem many thanks to the author for providing this service
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re astros for real in article c ky kd austin ibm com marc yogi austin ibm com marc j stephenson writes in article apr ccsvax sfasu edu z millerwl ccsvax sfasu edu writes who thinks the astros are going places they re currently first place they re on the road i agree lumberjack except that they re in nd they are going places san diego los angeles san francisco cincinnati denver atlanta miami philadelphia new york montreal pittsburgh chicago st louis and points in between but they re at home but they faced the phillies a team that got off to an start i m just not used to an overly enthusiastic houston fan i really shouldn t discourage it so hang in there lumberjack but get ahold of that shift key will ya obbase apparently the new owner drayton mclain sp doesn t particularly like excuses an item in our paper the austin american statesman if you read it here it was somewhere else first said that he wouldn t take injuries as an excuse for losing because that possibility should have been accounted for uh oh i don t want an owner that ll keep everybody on edge i d never gotten that feeling about him but who knows does to be honest i think the city of houston loves the new owner he has brought baseball back to houston with key acquisitions players that were from the houston area and wanted to play for the astros i don t think that too many people are fearful that mclane will meddle in the team as he has already admitted that he doesn t know a whole lot about baseball mclane is a businessman and doesn t like excuses he makes a valid point that injuries shouldn t be an excuse to this club look at the depth of the bench this season canadele can play positions bass and james are solid outfielders and can hit well too uribe is nice to have as well the pitching staff has legitimate starters we re dealing with a young houston team so injuries shouldn t play a big role the only threat is the bullpen if jonesy goes out we may be in trouble but with the type of starters we have this season there is less pressure on the pen david s schwam university of houston st rp jetson uh edu
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re best homeruns dswartz osf org dan swartzendruber writes in article hpcc corp hp com boell hpcc corp hp com donald p boell writes i d have to say the most impressive hrs i ve ever see came from dave kingman and his infamous moon raker drives i remember one he hit circa at wrigley field that went across the street in dead center field and hit a house on the roof he whiffed a lot but when he did connect watch out my favorite was the barry foote homer that bounced on waveland and through a second floor window across the street second though would be the kong drive that was last seen bouncing down the street that dead ends to the park at waveland mike timlin timlin spot colorado edu
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re a surfeit of offense in article qi innphe jhunix hcf jhu edu pablo jhunix hcf jhu edu pablo a iglesias writes in article apr cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu edward ted fischer writes last year the american league scored runs in games for a total of runs per game with hr game through tuesday the al has runs in games for a total of runs per game and a total of hr game in there were runs per game and hr game the big question how significant is this have we returned to or is this just a minor abberation some thoughts d i thought offense was generally down in april rising as the weather got warm and pitchers got tired this may be a bigger abberation from the norm than it seems i don t get a feeling that the weather has been an issue this year there doesn t seem to be a really cold spell in north america which does makes it harder to hit not to mention making the ball carry less you obviously did not watch the twins in chicago no cold spell it s been snowing most of the week in minnesota inches in duluth last weekend i would still put things under the too early to tell category yup russ anderson disclaimer any statements are my own and do not reflect upon my employer or anyone else c ex twins jack morris innings pitched runs world series mvp
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dick estelle does anyone know if the dick estelle who does the radio reader on npr is one in the same with the lefty who pitched briefly for the jints in just curious paul spending too much time reading the baseball encyclopedia we will stretch no farm animal beyond its natural length paula koufax cv hp com paul andresen hewlett packard home nw mckinley corvallis or a sabr member since
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re sparky anderson gets win tigers beat a s in article ragraca vela acs oakland edu ragraca vela acs oakland edu randy a graca writes tigers manager sparky anderson gets his th career win as moments ago the tigers completed a two game sweep over the oakland a s at tiger stadium by beating the a s here are the highlights r h e oakland detroit game description deleted in the post game interview on wjr radio in detroit sparky anderson said its one of the few times he s gotten emotional in his managing career it was a big moment for him and i m sure all of us tiger fans are unanimously very happy for him and what a way to get number woofing deleted randy in another post game interview larussa claimed that sparky was the best manager in basebal explaining that to be part of the history of sparky softened the blow of losing go tigers tim timothy law snyder department of computer science reiss georgetown university washington dc tim normal georgetown edu
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re yankees win home opener in article rvesterm vma cc nd edu rvesterm vma cc nd edu writes in article apr alleg edu millits yankee org sam millitello says i m telling you sam three l s call up mom and ask bob vesterman yeah and in case even that isn t enough to prompt boy genius sam to pick up a paper and see how his name is spelled here s another hint the single l comes between the two i s charles
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how is slugging percentage computed subject line says it all thanks in advance please email chuck cygnus eid anl gov go cubs
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re jewish baseball players i believe that rusty staub was also a jewish ball player also mordaci brown back in the early th century he was a pitcher whose nickname was fingers brown for obvious reasons he had fingers
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re braves pitching updatedir in article apr acad drake edu sbp acad drake edu writes not clear to me at all i d certainly rather have a team who was winning games than games in the game luck is going to play a much bigger role than in the game but you still need the pitching staff to hold the opposing team to one run not if you ve scored four runs you don t why strain even the best pitching staff why not make it easier for them in the game the best pitching staff in the world can t compensate for a blown call a bad hop a gust of wind winning close is the wrong way to win both keeping opposing runs down and scoring a lot yourself are insurance against the shit happens aspect of baseball not every great teamhas even good pitching the big red machine of the s was league average in pitching but somehow rose morgan bench perez etc managed to win games more than once peaking at roger
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re all time best players in article apr aplcen apl jhu edu jmhodapp aplcomm jhuapl edu writes in article apr princeton edu roger crux princeton edu roger lustig writes in article apr bsu ucs mbstultz leo bsuvc bsu edu writes i ve recently been working on project to determine the greatest players at their respective postions b career what about u johnny hodapp the greatest nd baseman in cleveland indians history hits in consistantly over a great great second baseman um the header said career hodapp managed about pa in his nine years in the majors as for his consistently over make that three years in a row preceded by a part time year plus his last year with boston hodapp only qualified for the batting title five times was he injured he retired right around his th birthday anyway hodapp put up flashy numbers the year everybody put up flashy numbers that was his only really good year with a bat his other years were marred by a lack of power and an inability to draw walks only of those pa were bases on balls which does not describe a feared hitter on the other hand he was part of the long line of famous cleveland b wambsganss riggs stephenson etc roger jon johnny hodapp jmhodapp aplcomm jhuapl edu
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re new home for the bosox in article apr scott skidmore edu jrogoff scott skidmore edu jay rogoff writes i agree though i d also be happy with a stadium that looks like new comiskey the new park was also made for baseball unlike three rivers the vet riverfront etc it s not a football park in which they also play baseball while we re on the multipurpose subject let s not forget shea which was designed to accommodate both the mets jets it was the first stadium i think to have the box seats on rollers so they could be oriented at right angles for baseball in parallel for football not the first rfk olim dc stadium was built years earlier nowadays they don t move the seats back for the few exhibition games but the rd base lf lower deck used to move it was all metal which was pretty noisy on bat day of course with the jets gone to jersey and a truly good football stadium the mets are saddled with a multipurpose stadium where because it s circular the seats are almost always too far from the action the mets announcers kiner murphy in particular have always hyped it as beautiful shea stadium a tipoff to how unbeautiful it truly is it s vastly better than it was before they fixed it though back in the late s it was a dump roger don t you like jet noise
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re dave kingman for the hall of fame in article apr news yale edu steve tomassi writes hi baseball fans so what do you say don t you think he deserves it i mean heck if dave winfield ho hum is seriously being considered for it as is lee smith ha then why don t we give dave kingman a chance or darrell evans yeah yeah after the hall of fame takes in them it can take in eddie murray and jeff reardon um what eddie murray was a superb first baseman for a long time winfield as produced consistently for almsot years and excellently on several occasions dave kingman s best year was like darryl strawberry s typical year with the mets darrell evans too did a whole lot more than just hit homers which is all that kong did well in any case i am sick and tired mostly sick of everybody giving hall of fame consideration to players that are by today s standards marginal whom are you talking about yes eddie murray is marginal but that s because he s years old he wasn t marginal for a long time honestly ozzie smith and robin yount don t belong there they re both shortstops that just hung around for a long time big deal not smith has hung around for a long time and fielded the position better than anyone else ever has yount stopped being a shortstop about a decade ago in case you hadn t noticed one of his two mvp awards was as a centerfielder let s be a little more selective huh stop handing out these honors so liberally save them for the guys who really deserve it face it if like whom there are many players in the hall who aren t anywhere near as goos as the guys you re running down something isn t done there will be little prestige in the hall of fame anymore when that s already the case by some standards but the bad players in the hall are all from the s and s recent picks have generally been excellent certain individuals believe that steve garvey or jack morris are potential candidates the absurdity is apparent gee can these guys even compare to the more likely future hall of famers like kirby puckett or nolan ryan no but who cares was stan musial anywhere near as good as babe ruth not really but he obviously belongs there the hall has generally had about the top of major leaguers as more players come through the game more will be in that top and yes it s pretty easy to argue that smith yount evans winfield etc are in the top dave kingman on the other hand was a liability throughout most of his career of course garvey hasn t gotten a lot of hof press so i don t know what you mean as for ryan is his w l better than morris that s what a lot of voters tend to look at and morris was awfully good for a decade and doesn t lead mlb history in walks allowed either roger
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re jewish baseball players in article apr lafibm lafayette edu vb lafibm lafayette edu vb writes just wondering a friend and i were talking the other day and we were for some reason trying to come up with names of jewish baseball players past and present we weren t able to come up with much except for sandy koufax somebody stankowitz and maybe john lowenstein can anyone come up with any more i know it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this but humor us thanks for your help stankiewicz i doubt it koufax was one of two jewish hofs the other is hank greenberg other good players buddy myer johnny kling norm and larry sherry ken holtzman saul rogovin ed reulbach there have been over jewish major leaguers a few years ago there was an article about someone who keeps track of this in spy magazine the article was entitled jews on first of course there have also been at least two books on the subject roger
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re jewish baseball players in article apr midway uchicago edu thf midway uchicago edu writes in article qkkodinn f jhunix hcf jhu edu pablo jhunix hcf jhu edu pablo a iglesias writes in article apr lafibm lafayette edu vb lafibm lafayette edu vb writes just wondering a friend and i were talking the other day and we were for some reason trying to come up with names of jewish baseball players past and present we weren t able to come up with much except for sandy koufax somebody stankowitz and maybe john lowenstein can anyone come up with any more i know it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this but humor us thanks for your help hank greenberg would have to be the most famous because his jewish faith actually affected his play missing late season or was it world series games because of yom kippur the other jewish hof er is rod carew who converted did he ever really convert he married a jewish woman but i ve never heard him say he converted elliot maddox on the other hand lowenstein is jewish as well as montana s only representative to the major leagues undeserving cy young award winner steve stone is jewish between stone koufax ken holtzman might have the wrong pitcher i m thinking of the one who threw a no hitter in both the al and nl and big ed reulbach that s quite a starting rotation moe berg can catch harry steinfeldt the b in the tinkers evers chance infield yep holtzman saul rogovin won an era title in or so before blowing out the arm is stanky jewish or is that just a dave cohen kinda misinterpretation whatever doesn t look like he stuck around the majors too long i d be surprised btw they may just be shopping gallego around to make room for as roger
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re sandberg runs rbis was re notes on jays vs indians series in article c jqby m a news rich bnr ca bratt crchh a nosubdomain nodomain john bratt writes in article c jm m jw cs dal ca niguma ug cs dal ca gord niguma writes alomar fans left rbi fans and runs off this list because they are dependant on the team to a large extent if frank thomas hit first he d lose a lot of rbi s and anyways how many nd place hitters have you known to drive in runs doesn t happen that often very unlikely with devon white s obp in front of you i m pretty sure that sandberg has done this at least once i know someone will correct me if i m wrong rbis and runs scored are the two most important offensive statistics you can talk about obp and slg all you want but the fact remains the team that scores more runs wins the game right so who cares which player gets credited as long as the team gets more runs if a player helps the team get more r and rbi but doesn t score them all himself who cares consider player a single player b grounder to short reaches on the force at nd player c double b to rd player d sac fly b gets a run d gets an rbi are you sure they helped the team more than a and c think hard now flame away as you wish roger
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re new home for the bosox mif psuvm psu edu writes i heard about a month back that the red sox are getting a new dome stadium i have relatives that just moved up that way and they said about the city releasing the funds can anybody verify this to a game bosox fan in pa i have lived in the boston area for years now they have been talking about a new boston garden hockey basketball since i ve lived here one day the last hurdle has been overcome and the next day there s a new hurdle fans have been grumbling about foxboro stadium or whatever it s called this year for nearly as long but there are only preliminary proposals for a new stadium local politics prevents anything from being done in a timely fashion there will not be a new ballpark in my lifetime max logan nashua nh
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cubs mailing list is there anyone out there running a chicago national league ballclub list if so please send me information on it to andrew aardvark ucs uoknor edu thanks o chihuahua charlie ou is not responsible o o academic user services for anything anywhere o o the university of oklahoma except for that one o o andrew aardvark ucs uoknor edu incident where o o o
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re darrrrrrrrryl mark singer brings up the strawberry incident where he lost a homerun and the fan caught it before each dodger game the public address announcer makes a speech wherein he says that fans are welcome to the souvenirs of balls that are hit into the stands as long as they do not interfere with any that are in the field of play was the fan wrong should he have been more aware of the situation and acted to avoid any possibility of interference yes i think he should have done more to get out of the way as much as fans want to catch a ball they really should be aware that winning the game is more important as a dodger fan he has to be aware that this is the home stadium and that entails helping the home team win in any way possible as soon as the ball was hit that far his first instinct should be to root for darryl to catch it not to try to catch it himself particularly when he is sitting that close i enjoy the attitude of the wrigley fans where they are against visiting team home runs so much they actually throw them back on the field now this has nothing to do with whether darryl could have caught it or not sure he probably screwed up but the fan should realize his first responsibility is to get out of the way and help the team win daniel daniel caldera usc edu
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re yankee bullpen help alan sepinwall writes bullpen blues deleted what s buck gonna do and what s george gonna do if this continues to happen alan george will do the only logical thing he can do when the yanks bullpen isn t performing fire the manager david j dwarner journalism indiana edu blue riddle productions it s on the rap is an art ep is coming out on tape this time for real e mail me for the
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re dave kingman for the hall of fame in article apr princeton edu roger astro princeton edu roger lustig writes as for ryan is his w l better than morris that s what a lot of voters tend to look at and morris was awfully good for a decade and doesn t lead mlb history in walks allowed either despite walks and loses ryan deserves to be in the hall of fame imho based only on his ho hitters the strike out records are an extra what do people think about andre hr dawson for the hof name ken kubey or qb reading editing or printing of this text address kubey sgi com without the express written consent of disclaimer the usual major league baseball is prohibited
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re bonds vs maddux in article c l l hfz cup hp com loos cup hp com joe loos writes i ve been following the giants closely over the off season newspapers notesgroup etc but i had my first up close and personal last night at the stick after watching giants hitters struggle last year barry s swing was very impressive he s very quick and his swing seems effortless even compared to clark particularly clark as of late it was interesting to see bonds hit maddux so well i m not sure if barry was after revenge against the braves or what but he stroked three very pretty hits b b hr for rbi s the giants always hit maddux well but it was interesting that maddux did not pitch around bonds to get to clayton last night he threw straight fastballs over the plate to bonds in the st last night got away with the first one but bonds hit the second one out of the park then in the rd when clark was at third base with one out maddux did not intentionally walk bonds and bonds dropped a single to left center the giants as a team are doing a lot of surprising things this year in addition to bonds there has been some good pitching and some hitters seem to be swinging much better clayton s defense has been superb mcgee seems to like leading off this year manwaring is driving the ball so on so forth the braves announcers pointed out that mcgee as a leadoff hitter has not scored a run yet he will always hit around but i m concerning about his on base percentage the key in the lineup is matt williams he has to stay hot so that bonds can hit with runners on base i hope it continues i think they need to continue well into june before people are really sold that they are for real particularly the pitching the pitching gets a set back as bud black is placed on the dl burba has done a superb job filling in so far he looks like a different pitcher from last year however swift is terrible in both of his starts with burba moving into the rotation mike jackson is the only right handed reliever aside from rod beck he ll get a lot of actions i also hope that dusty can manage his bullpen better than roger craig especially on beck i was concerned when beck was used for straight days earlier this week for myself i think the fresh start of magowan baker etc has really wiped out a lot of negatives from the last few years and will be a real factor in helping them significantly improve over last year so far so good edward hui
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re jewish baseball players ma ind blurt oswego edu wrote i believe that rusty staub was also a jewish ball player also mordaci brown back in the early th century he was a pitcher whose nickname was fingers brown for obvious reasons he had fingers for ma ind daniel patrick staub is a catholic school kid from nawlins mordecai brown a farm kid probably protestant from somewhere in the midwest he lost those fingers in a farm machinery accident jim palmer isn t jewish himself but mr jockey shorts s adoptive parents are also i m not absolutely certain that carew actually converted his wife and children certainly are jewish neal traven pitt edu you re only young once but you can be traven vms cis pitt edu immature forever larry andersen
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re why spanky sherri nichols writes in article ql binn s postoffice psc edu boone psc edu jon boone writes spanky is too slow if he were quicker he would still be here but with slaught and tom prince they didn t want to lose prince in order to bring up that th pitcher slaught is about as good as spanky and prince is coming along nicely tom prince is a year old no hit catcher think of him as a young dann bilardello or a young don bordello i can t begin to fathom why the pirates have been so afraid of losing this guy who s been in aaa most of the last seasons the pirates released kirk gibson last year because prince was out of options then eventually sent prince down anyway and he cleared waivers without a peep he s another year older and still can t hit why do they think he wouldn t clear waivers now why would they care there s a strong possibility that the bucs have absolutely no other catching prospects in the minors at this point at least nobody ready for any serious aaa majors duty the main reason they might have stayed with prince could be just age especially if spanky was creeping toward his mid s or something all things considered though i d be a lot more comfortable with spanky behind the plate than prince isn t there decent backup backstop out there looking for work sherri nichols snichols adobe com david j dwarner journalism indiana edu blue riddle productions it s on the rap is an art ep is coming out on tape this time for real e mail me for the
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re jewish baseball players in article apr lafibm lafayette edu vb lafibm lafayette edu vb writes just wondering a friend and i were talking the other day and we were for some reason trying to come up with names of jewish baseball players past and present we weren t able to come up with much except for sandy koufax somebody stankowitz and maybe john lowenstein can anyone come up with any more i know it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this but humor us thanks for your help wasn t ron bloomberg the former yankee who got the first base hit by a designated hitter jewish scott barman mets mailing list feed the following into your shell scott asd com mail mets request asd com subscribe let s go mets
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re jewish baseball players in article apr lafibm lafayette edu vb lafibm lafayette edu vb writes just wondering a friend and i were talking the other day and we were for some reason trying to come up with names of jewish baseball players past and present we weren t able to come up with much except for sandy koufax somebody stankowitz and maybe john lowenstein can anyone come up with any more i know it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this but humor us thanks for your help oh i forgot art shamsky former red and mets player batted between injuries in fell short of qualifying for top because of injuries and platoon with ron swoboda no swobo wasn t jewish scott barman mets mailing list feed the following into your shell scott asd com mail mets request asd com subscribe let s go mets
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re sid fernandez in article apr csi jpl nasa gov cub csi jpl nasa gov ray miller writes i read this morning that sid fernandez left last nights game with stiffness in his shoulder does anyone have any information as to the extent of the injury if indeed there is one or weather the cold air in colorado just got his joints a little stiff thanks for the help all they said on the radio that he developed stiffness in the shoulder after throwing a curveball that didn t loosen because of the cold night in denver they decided to remove him from the game rather than let him pitch he is expected to pitch his next turn in the rotation expected to be april at shea vs the giants scott barman mets mailing list feed the following into your shell scott asd com mail mets request asd com subscribe let s go mets
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re best homeruns in article apr osf org dswartz osf org dan swartzendruber writes in article hpcc corp hp com boell hpcc corp hp com donald p boell writes i d have to say the most impressive hrs i ve ever see came from dave kingman and his infamous moon raker drives i remember one he hit circa at wrigley field that went across the street in dead center field and hit a house on the roof he whiffed a lot but when he did connect watch out the best home run i have ever seen came off believe it or not roger clemens sorry val a couple of years ago he threw a ball to incaviglia which was literally at inky s neck and he absolutely hammered the crap out of it after the swing clemens nonchalantly motioned for a new ball he didn t even turn around to look or even get upset the ball hit the lights in the left field standard some or so feet about the green monster over feet above the ground total truly an amazing shot charles
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re braves pitching updatedir amazingly pitchers no matter how good their mechanics are not machines cy young winners don t pitch in a vaccuum unaware of how their offenses are doing the braves pitching staff is already showing signs of cracking under the strain of knowing they re not going to get many if any runs unfortunately the braves pitchers were so bad for so long that the organization put so much stress and i mean stress on pitching that they completely ignored hitting the braves right now are looking woefully similar to the braves of the mid seventies heaven help us econ duke edu fls econ duke edu fls econ duke edu fls econ duke s to my correspondents my email has been changed e l my new address is fls econ duke edu d f if mail bounces try fls raphael acpub duke edu u
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braves stoppers the term stopper is generally used to refer to a pitcher one who can be counted on to pitch a strong game to keep his team from going on a losing streak the braves have plenty of pitchers to fit this description although right now i d expect smoltz or glavine to take the mantle what the braves lack however is an offensive stopper somebody they can look to to bring them out of their hitting slump there s just no one there the braves got rid of their best pure hitter lonnie smith and only terry pendleton on the current roster has ever shown more than a cursory ability to hit oh and another thing that worries me ron gant seems to have slowed down a step that s scary a slow ron gant doesn t have much going for him econ duke edu fls econ duke edu fls econ duke edu fls econ duke s to my correspondents my email has been changed e l my new address is fls econ duke edu d f if mail bounces try fls raphael acpub duke edu u
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re omar vizquel grand salami cheryl marks writes do you think omar s grand slam is the result of his new fan club last week a banner appeared in the kingdome older women for omar that depends just how much older were they cheryl david j dwarner journalism indiana edu blue riddle productions it s on the rap is an art ep is coming out on tape this time for real e mail me for the
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re ind source picks baerga over alomar case closed that s a joke alomar might not be a gold glover but he s certainly no worse than baerga defensively actually alomar is a two time gold glover valentine edk
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mlb c could some kind soul out there e mail me the on where i can find the mlb c program i m interested in some road trips this year david j dwarner journalism indiana edu blue riddle productions it s on the rap is an art ep is coming out on tape this time for real e mail me for the
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re gotta a question in article sdcc ucsd edu demers cs ucsd edu david demers writes in article cjkuo symantec com cjkuo symantec com jimmy kuo writes gt e prism gatech edu michael andre mule writes what is the maximum runs allowed before a stopper can get credit for a relief i e if a stopper comes in with a run lead does he getcredit with the save if you come in and pitch the last three innings and your team was ahead when you got out there and wins the game you get a save sort a correct if you pitched at least innings entered with your team in the lead was the pitcher when the game ended the game was never tied during your stint and your team won you get a save well the rulebook says that in the opinion of the scorer you must have pitched effectively for your innings this save is not automatic unlike the others someone in sabr actually looked at these games a few years ago and found that the official scorer awarded the save in every one of the games even those in which the pitcher had pitched badly allowing or runs seeing hearing my two sense worth john rickert rickert nextwork rose hulman edu
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re sandberg runs rbis was re notes on jays vs indians series in article apr princeton edu roger astro princeton edu roger lustig writes right so who cares which player gets credited as long as the team gets more runs if a player helps the team get more r and rbi but doesn t score them all himself who cares amusing isn t it seems only the sdcns realize how much baseball is a team game combining efforts from every player for the win consider the red sox game last night the sox won in the bottom of the th who won the game clemens pitched a strong nine innings allowing only two runs ryan pitched a couple shutout innings though he needed some excellent defensive plays behind him to do so quantrill pitched a couple of innings gave up the go ahead run and got credited with the win when the sox scored two in the bottom of the inning looks like a team effort to me yet only quantrill got credit for the win how about the offense dawson and vaughn hit i think hrs early in the game without either one the sox would have lost in nine quintana led off the th with a solid single zupcic pinch ran for quintana providing the speed to go from first to third when cooper ripped a second single in the inning melvin avoided the dp getting the run home with a sac fly not much of a help but it was something scrub richardson then hit a double scoring the speedy cooper all the way from first hill s lack of defense helped cooper and zupcic were credited with runs melvin and richardson were credited with rbis but it seems to me that it was quintana s hit that set up the whole inning and did melvin really contribute as much as richardson furthermore people seem to consider rbis to be more significant than runs did melvin contribute more than cooper cooper provided the game winning baserunner and moved the tying run to third base with only one out assigning credit based on runs and rbis is clearly ridiculous you can argue that obp and slg don t show you who came through in the clutch but r rbi don t do any better at least obp and slg don t claim to try to tell you that here s to the red sox who contributed to last night s victory all of them valentine
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re erickson keith miller in article apr mintaka lcs mit edu frankkim catfish lcs mit edu frank kim writes hi i was just wondering if anyone knew when erickson and keith miller are expected to come back and what exactly ails them dunno about miller if you mean scott erickson currently the reigning twins least consistent good player he pulled a muscle in the neighborhood of the rib cage that made it essentially impossible for him to pitch temporarily and is expected back on the mound sunday david thornley with tickets to see one of the scott ericksons pitch
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re infield fly rule in article qmrciinnoin gap caltech edu shippert cco caltech edu tim shippert writes about the infield fly rule so if he s feeling lucky your runner at second can sprint for glory as soon as the ball is popped up if it isn t caught he s probably scored a run if it is he s probably headed for aaa unless he s deion sanders in which case he just heads back to the dugout and waits for his next base running blunder opportunity econ duke edu fls econ duke edu fls econ duke edu fls econ duke s to my correspondents my email has been changed e l my new address is fls econ duke edu d f if mail bounces try fls raphael acpub duke edu u
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re when is melido due back melido came off the dl today and will start tonight against the rangers now if only he can go the distance so that the bullpen doesn t have to come in i m outta here like vladimir alan sepinwall what s this this is ice this is what happens to water when it gets too cold this this is kent this is what happens to people when they get too sexually frustrated val kilmer real genius
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re wfan in article apr cabell vcu edu csc imd cabell vcu edu ian m derby writes on the serious side maybe we should have a sub for sports radio tv as much as people complain about one station or another the information you hear is a lot more in depth than what you can get on the ap wire or usa today so to benefit those who have favorite teams outside of their vicinity this would do wonders people can get on and talk about what cataldi said about the eagles or what lupica said of the bonilla incident etc this can be for any station across the country anyone agree i agree although i would have no idea how to go about doing it but you ve got my vote i m outta here like vladimir alan what s this this is ice this is what happens to water when it gets too cold this this is kent this is what happens to people when they get too sexually frustrated val kilmer real genius
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re bonilla jiann ming su writes bobby bonilla supposedly use the word faggot when he got mad at that author in the clubhouse should he be banned from baseball for a year like schott it wouldn t bother me david j dwarner journalism indiana edu blue riddle productions it s on the rap is an art ep is coming out on tape this time for real e mail me for the
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re best homeruns in article qn tqinnmnf senator bedfellow mit edu cmk athena mit edu charles m kozierok writes the best home run i have ever seen came off believe it or not roger clemens sorry val a couple of years ago he threw a ball to incaviglia which was literally at inky s neck and he absolutely hammered the crap out of it after the swing clemens nonchalantly motioned for a new ball he didn t even turn around to look or even get upset the ball hit the lights in the left field standard some or so feet about the green monster over feet above the ground total truly an amazing shot i agree home runs off clemens are always memorable kinda like eclipses and hurricanes they don t happen very often cheers valentine
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re jewish baseball players i thought that walt weiss was jewish i seem to recall this was mentioned once while he was still at oakland also i have my suspicions about esther canseco nee haddad gidi
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royals final run total i ve been saying this for quite some time but being absent from the net for a while i figured i d stick my neck out a bit the royals will set the record for fewest runs scored by an al team since the inception of the dh rule p s any ideas what this is they will fall easily short of runs that s for damn sure i can t believe these media fools picking them to win the division like our tom gage of the detroit news claiming herk robinson is some kind of genius for the trades aquisitions he s made c ya sean sean sweda sweda css itd umich edu css itd consultant president bob sura fan club gm manager motor city marauders internet baseball league play ball
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era formula hello as the subject tells all i am trying to find out what is the formula to calculate the era for the pitchers if any of you baseball fans have it please e mail me at napoli atc olivetti com thank you very much gaetano napolitano
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re the phillies deja vu my dad has always blamed the phillies collapse in on me on sept the phillies had something like a game lead with to play i was born on sept the phils proceeded to lose something like straight while the cards won straight does anyone know hte exact numbers and a pennant was blown to this day my dad likes to remind me that it all began when i was born krm
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re candlestick park experience long craige sad hp com craig eid writes these things should have been done a long time ago but it took a real businessman ex safeway president peter magowan to figure it out just like he used to tell his checkers if the customers don t come back i don t need as many checkers this isn t a knock on bob lurie he was a competent businessman but he didn t deal much with the general public interesting article craig it s amazing how hard it is to get baseball teams to understand how to properly market their teams and treat their customers no other business could ever get away with the th century attitudes that most current owners display in running their clubs i guess the owners look at baseball s high growth rate and ask why it s necessary to bring th century business practices into the game but they don t realize how much more growth the game is capable of and how much they pay in terms of long term popularity by not doing better by the game and its fans greg
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re players rushed to majors in article hydra gatech edu re prism gatech edu russell earnest writes this brings back the long suffering memories of pre chop braves fans who kept being promised the bob horner dale murphy back to back power slam who could stop that guess we ll never know why not horner played games in and hit hr murphy played and hit in horner hit in games and murphy hit in games and the braves lost and games john rickert rickert nextwork rose hulman edu
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re rockies spoon feed game to mets in article hpcc corp hp com boell hpcc corp hp com donald p boell writes is it just me or does bichette look totally lost in the outfield he s been playing horrible defense baylor said after wednesday s game that he wanted to shake up the lineup a little because bichette has been having a rough time defensively and jerald clark has not been hitting he was true to his word i went to thursday s game and gerald young was in right and daryl boston who has a very hot bat was in left baylor was careful to say though that he didn t necessarily mean for these changes to be permanent but he wanted to give these other two a shot while clark and bichette were not playing well in defense of bichette it looks like right field in mile high stadium is a bitch to play some of the visiting outfielders have been having some problems too although bobby bonilla made a great catch crashing into the wall to rob daryl boston of an extra base hit in thursday s game greg
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re bring on the o s i heard that eli is selling the team to a group in cinninati this would help so that the o s could make some real free agent signings in the offseason training camp reports that everything is pretty positive right now the backup catcher postion will be a showdown between tackett and parent although i would prefer parent draft pick jeff hammonds may be coming up faster in the o s hierarchy of the minors faster than expected mike flanagan is trying for another comeback big ben is being defended by coaches saying that while the homers given up were an awful lot most came in the beginning of the season and he really improved the second half this may be ben s year i feel that while this may not be mussina s cy young year he will be able to pitch the entire season without periods of fatigue like last year around august i really hope baines can provide the rf support the o s need orsulak was decent but i had hoped that chito martinez could learn defense better and play like he did in the o s right now don t have many left handed hitters anderson proving last year was no fluke and cal s return to his averages would be big plusses in a drive for the pennant the rotation should be sutcliffe mussina mcdonald rhodes olson is an interesting case will he strike out the side or load the bases and then get three pop outs you never know the way i see the al east this year with personal biases mixed in baltimore new york toronto milwaukee cleveland boston detroit the top are the only true contenders in my mind one of these will definitely win the division unless it snows in hell maryland i feel that this baltimore s season to finally put everything together admiral steve c liu internet address admiral jhunix hcf jhu edu committee for the liberation and intergration of terrifying organisms and their rehabilitation into society from red dwarf polymorph the bangles are the greatest female rock band that ever existed this sig has been brought to you by frungy the sport of kings
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baseball stats hello my friends and i are running the homewood fantasy baseball league pure fantasy baseball teams unfortunely we are running the league using earl weaver baseball ii with the comm disk ii and we need the stats for the season preferably the major league stat disk we have the total stats but ewb needs the split stats otherwise we have inning games because the comm disk turns total stats into vs l s stats unless you know both right and left handed stats so if anyone has the ewb stat disk please e mail me admiral steve c liu internet address admiral jhunix hcf jhu edu committee for the liberation and intergration of terrifying organisms and their rehabilitation into society from red dwarf polymorph the bangles are the greatest female rock band that ever existed this sig has been brought to you by frungy the sport of kings
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superstars and attendance was teemu selanne was leaders dean j falcione posting from jrmst pitt edu writes i wrote when the pens got mario granted there was big publicity etc etc and interest was immediately generated gretzky did the same thing for la however imnsho neither team would have seen a marked improvement in attendance if the team record did not improve in the year before lemieux came pittsburgh finished with points following his arrival the pens finished with and points with a couple of stanley cups thrown in it was at this point the pens attendance was near capacity out of sellouts yet they hadn t made the playoffs since how do you explain a th place team breaking attendance records when they haven t been to the playoffs in years mario lemieux is the explanation imho you could make a case that the expectation of an improving team that would make the playoffs is the reason funny you should mention it this is exactly the case i was going to make but i think the reason is lemieux had a point season and was the first non gretzky to win the hart and ross since people turned out to watch him play i will grant that a star like mario will draw fans even if the team sucks but this is short term only i still do not think the attendance increase will last unless the team is a winning competitive improving butt kicking one pittsburgh was still getting better so people continued to support them if they suddenly dropped to say points you d have knee surgery for some of the people jumping off the bandwagon also the following year the pens had points not ok my numbers came from the nhl guide and record book they made the transaction to try and build a winner around mario that is true but the improvement in attendance came before they started doing this coffey late in and before they even had a playoff bound team a doubling of attendance occured in from the previous year an increase from points to points is not going to do that the arrival of mario lemieux is what did it you can give the credit to mario since he deserves it but my point is that it wasn t mario himself but it was the expectation of things to come i e a winning team that he created by being the next great hockey superstar and before anybody jumps in and says i m nit picking and mincing words go back and read from where this thread started it might help to think about what would go through a fan s mind who suddenly found an interest in mario and the pens was it gee mario lemieux is amazing i ll go watch him play or was it gee now we ve got a kick ass guy on our side i ll go watch him play i think it was the latter similar thing happened in l a before gretzky s arrival about per game after constant sellouts they are still selling out every game despite showing little or no improvement since gretzky s first year there how do you explain it people are going to see gretzky they certainly aren t going to see a winner they haven t got a winner they ve had much better teams in their past history than they currently have yet they didn t draw as well then i don t think this is accurate the tickets sell but people don t go to the games i think this thread has already been discussed season ticket holders in la don t always use their tickets so in effect after the kings initial success following gretzky s arrival to points same source and corresponding attendance jump there has been an effective drop in attendance even though ticket sales may not have changed much whether or not the kings are a winner is debatable i claim that since gretzky s arrival they have at the very least been competitive i also claim that mcnall has made a stupid move in trying to reassemble the oiler dynasty but that s another story and included only because i don t like mcnall anyway mcnall did do some heavy marketing around gretzky and that undoubtedly was also responsible for the attendance and merchandising sales etc but as i said when the kings have been in there little tailspins over the past couple of years there have been empty seats at the forum even if the tickets were sold i think in the case of a lemieux or gretzky the player can transcend winning as the major drawing power for the short term imo although i think that it s inevitable that the team will improve with a player such as lemieux or gretzky simply because they make people around them better but winning sure as hell helps well at least we are in full agreement here this does not make roger s point any more valid but the jets aren t so are you saying roger has ever had a valid point couldn t resist getting a huge jump in productivity yet they are getting a huge jump in attendance this is due to the emergence of teemu selanne they have the th best record in hockey it sure as hell isn t because they are winning yes but they are doing no worse than last year i think the same type of reasoning i applied to a new pittsburgh fan applies to all the extra people showing up at winnipeg games it s difficult to predict but do you think that if the jets miss the playoffs next season that in the year after they will maintain their attendance levels i seriously doubt it because in that case the expectation of an improving team would be gone with or without selanne i did provide the example of rocket ismail and the toronto argonauts of the cfl did you leave it out because you don t know much about the cfl if that s the case then fair enough but if it isn t the case then i m curious to hear your explanation
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re nhl team leaders in in article mar ramsey cs laurentian ca maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca roger maynard writes the jets use the breakaway pass scheme to create a scoring sensation in order to generate interest if teams score as many or more goals against winnipeg when selanne is on the ice as winnipeg scores when he is on the ice then i can t see how his contribution can be described as impressive implicitly you are assuming that goals scored against winnipeg with selanne on the ice can be blamed on him roger he is a forward winnipeg has a lousy defensive record anyway let s put it another way john cullen s is terrible what s your excuse for him that his powerplay points don t count neither do selanne s the object of the game is not to feed selanne it is to win and feeding selanne does not contribute in any meaningful way to winning knowledgeable hockey observers the world over would agree that feeding selanne so he can score does contribute in a meaningful way to winning pat burns wouldn t have a goal suck like this on his team you re worried about teemu when you have glenn anderson on your team we don t know what selanne does best we do know what jet s management wants and again the object of the exercise is not to allow selanne to do what he does best it is to win hockey games what he does best is score so i refer you to my comment above as it is now selanne is a grandstanding goal suck did you see the way he parades around with his arms outstretched after scoring a goal you would think the messiah had returned nope didn t see it i was too busy watching foligno jump up and down after his goal
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re this year s biggest and worst opinion i can only comment on the kings but the most obvious candidate for pleasant surprise is alex zhitnik he came highly touted as a defensive defenseman but he s clearly much more than that great skater and hard shot though wish he were more accurate in fact he pretty much allowed the kings to trade away that huge defensive liability paul coffey kelly hrudey is only the biggest disappointment if you thought he was any good to begin with but at best he s only a mediocre goaltender a better choice would be tomas sandstrom though not through any fault of his own but because some thugs in toronto decided to threaten his career in order to avoid conceding a goal other than that the award goes to robert lang an uninspiring czech robitaille could easily be mvp but i d prefer to give it to rob blake who is quietly becoming one of the league s premier defensemen and if the kings manage to hold onto him and the rest of our young defense it could one day mean that we ll let in fewer goals than hartford honorable mentions to majestic marty and warren rychel jon
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re this year s biggest and worst opinion in article c zcii ftn watserv uwaterloo ca smale healthy uwaterloo ca bryan smale writes mvp biggest biggest suprise disappointment los angeles kings robitaille donnelly hrudey i would have chosen alex zhitnik for biggest suprise they did expect that he would become a great defenseman but i don t think anyone knew that he was going to be this impressive in his rookie year his speed skating ability and puck control is exceptional he is the one to watch on the kings kris kris fs assist uci edu go kings
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re ncaa finals winner maine beat lssu the logistician reigns supreme go blue go tigers go pistons go lions go red wings ching wpi wpi edu
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and they re off well i gotta tell ya last night s leafs game vs the devils was a nail bitter let me tell you it was a well played game by both teams i thought but according to the don and ron it was the an off night for the leafs and the devils were outplaying toronto well i beg to differ imho clark deserved to be a first star as much as gilmour did his fast breaks towards the net and the good opportunites that he created reminded me of the clark of old but not to take any of the credit away from gilmour i think the leafs are playing great hockey why well first look at their injury list which includes cullen ellet zezel macoun of course my question is this how will the leafs fare when they are once again healthy if they are playing this well so far second just look at their standings still second in defence moved from th overall to th over in the last month haven t lost at home in last games game undefeated streak etc btw am i wrong or was this potvin s first shut out i can t remember him having any as of yet well as of april we see that the race for first in the norris has truly begun and it will be a very close race between chicago and toronto and the best game of the season will probably be their last against each other is anyone lucky enough to have tickets to see this one coming to the stretch and still a roar in go leafs go alfred yong jeh yim toronto wins the b mathematics actuarial science cup university of waterloo canada i like coca cola idea personally e mail ayim descartes waterloo edu
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re give blood tee shirts the shirts are believe or not from a bob probert line of clothes the whole shirt says give blood fight probie cool they sound like a cult classic can someone post a address or phone of a store that sells these thanks jake
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ncaa finals winner lake state maine in finals who won please post
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re trade rumor montreal ottawa phillie also sprach slegge kean ucs mun ca tsn sportsdesk just reported that the ottawa sun has reported that montreal will send players million including vin damphousse and brian bellows to phillidelphia phillie will send eric lindros to ottawa and ottawa will give it s first round pick to montreal if this is true it will most likely depend on whether or not ottawa gets to choose st overall can ottawa afford lindros salary personally i can t see philli giving up lindros for anything they didn t give away that much to quebec just to trade him away again not to mention that lindros seems to be a huge draw in phillie and that he represents a successful future for the franchise ottawa may be better off taking the players from montreal for the pick stephen legge slegge kean ucs munc ca two things didn t the trade deadline pass two weeks ago the flyers would never ever ever give up lindros simple as that go flyers cup in mike yes rush marillion elp genesis king crimson dream theater beatles mike weintraub aka jvi on irc courageous convictions mweintr american edu will drag the dream jedi wave cerf net into existence the american university washington dc rush not limbaugh go philadelphia flyers vancouver canucks philadelphia phillies
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re re alignnment expansion in article c zhj xb idacom hp com andrew idacom hp com andrew scott writes in article apr nntpd cxo dec com nixdorf etre eric nixdorf writes looking at the way the divisions were re aligned there are six teams each in the central norris and pacific smyth divisions while there are seven teams each in the northeast adams and atlantic patrick divisions the thought occurs to me that inherent in the realignment is expansion of one team in the central division and one team in the pacific division although i ve seen nothing published that indicates that actually when the nhl expansion committee was formed a couple of years back before the ottawa and tampa bay expansion john zeigler stated at the time that it was the nhl s expansion plan to grow to teams per division by the turn of the century andrew scott andrew idacom hp com hp idacom telecom division ext during the roman era was considered old last night during a sharks broadcast commissioner bettman was interviewed during the first intermission he made no bones about it the expansion to is on permanent hold until he is satisfied that the current allotment of are fully stable this means that cities looking for a club in the foreseeable future will have to wait until one team in some location fails or looks to relocate this is good imo there s no sense in expanding if it only means more failing franchises are in the mold tom galvin galvint taurus cs nps navy mil
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nhl summary parse results for games played sat april tampa bay philadelphia first period philadelphia carkner unassisted philadelphia hawgood recchi lindros pp philadelphia lindros recchi hawgood pp tampa bay beers zamuner chambers pp second period tampa bay andersson hamrlik lafreniere pp philadelphia conroy butsayev faust philadelphia beranek galley hawgood pp third period philadelphia recchi brind amour galley pp philadelphia power play scorer g a pts beranek brind amour butsayev carkner conroy faust galley hawgood lindros recchi tampa bay power play scorer g a pts andersson beers chambers hamrlik lafreniere zamuner vancouver detroit first period detroit kozlov fedorov chiasson detroit drake ciccarelli coffey pp vancouver ronning slegr bure pp second period detroit sheppard drake hiller detroit ciccarelli chiasson drake pp third period detroit ysebaert fedorov cheveldae sh detroit power play special goals pp sh total scorer g a pts cheveldae chiasson ciccarelli coffey drake fedorov hiller kozlov sheppard ysebaert vancouver power play scorer g a pts bure ronning slegr buffalo boston first period buffalo audette corkum wood boston juneau neely oates second period buffalo errey lafontaine khmylev boston douris d sweeney bourque third period boston donato unassisted boston power play scorer g a pts bourque donato douris juneau neely oates sweeney d buffalo power play scorer g a pts audette corkum errey khmylev lafontaine wood calgary san jose first period calgary suter reichel macinnis pp second period san jose zmolek odgers evason san jose kisio garpenlov gaudreau pp calgary lindberg macinnis pp third period no scoring overtime calgary fleury otto yawney calgary power play scorer g a pts fleury lindberg macinnis otto reichel suter yawney san jose power play scorer g a pts evason garpenlov gaudreau kisio odgers zmolek pittsburgh quebec first period quebec kamensky huffman quebec young lapointe huffman second period pittsburgh mullen lemieux murphy pittsburgh lemieux tocchet u samuelsson pittsburgh lemieux tocchet stevens quebec young sundin kovalenko pp third period pittsburgh tippett unassisted sh pittsburgh tippett mceachern mullen pittsburgh power play special goals sh total scorer g a pts lemieux mceachern mullen murphy samuelsson u stevens tippett tocchet quebec power play scorer g a pts huffman kamensky kovalenko lapointe sundin young new jersey toronto first period no scoring second period no scoring third period toronto gilmour andreychuk anderson toronto power play scorer g a pts anderson andreychuk gilmour new jersey power play no scoring ottawa hartford first period ottawa maciver baker luongo hartford kron nylander gosselin hartford burt cassels verbeek hartford cunneyworth yake nylander hartford sanderson cassels houda hartford verbeek cassels zalapski pp second period hartford sanderson cassels zalapski pp third period hartford kron poulin burt ottawa turgeon lamb ottawa baker luongo maciver pp hartford power play scorer g a pts burt cassels cunneyworth gosselin houda kron nylander poulin sanderson verbeek yake zalapski ottawa power play scorer g a pts baker lamb luongo maciver turgeon winnipeg edmonton first period winnipeg tkachuk housley zhamnov pp edmonton klima ciger elik second period winnipeg king unassisted winnipeg zhamnov selanne winnipeg domi selanne housley third period edmonton manson unassisted winnipeg eagles numminen bautin pp winnipeg zhamnov ulanov selanne edmonton gelinas kravchuk ranford edmonton kravchuk buchberger winnipeg power play scorer g a pts bautin domi eagles housley king numminen selanne tkachuk ulanov zhamnov edmonton power play scorer g a pts buchberger ciger elik gelinas klima kravchuk manson ranford chicago st louis first period st louis shanahan janney hull pp second period chicago murphy chelios roenick pp st louis shanahan hedican janney chicago noonan murphy chelios pp st louis bozon ps chicago roenick sutter murphy pp third period no scoring overtime no scoring st louis power play special goals pp ps total scorer g a pts bozon chelios hedican hull janney murphy shanahan chicago power play scorer g a pts chelios murphy noonan roenick sutter montreal ny islanders first period no scoring second period montreal brunet carbonneau daigneault ny islanders turgeon thomas kurvers pp ny islanders mullen unassisted third period montreal bellows desjardins dipietro montreal damphousse desjardins bellows pp montreal power play scorer g a pts bellows brunet carbonneau daigneault damphousse desjardins dipietro ny islanders power play scorer g a pts kurvers mullen thomas turgeon minnesota los angeles first period minnesota dahlen unassisted minnesota courtnall dahlen modano pp second period minnesota mcphee sjodin hatcher pp third period no scoring minnesota power play scorer g a pts courtnall dahlen hatcher mcphee modano sjodin los angeles power play no scoring
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nhl summary parse results for games played sun april ny rangers washington first period ny rangers graves turcotte lowe ny rangers gartner messier ny rangers olczyk messier amonte second period ny rangers beukeboom unassisted third period no scoring ny rangers power play scorer g a pts amonte beukeboom gartner graves lowe messier olczyk turcotte washington power play no scoring boston buffalo first period no scoring second period boston leach wesley oates pp boston oates douris poulin third period boston douris bourque sh boston power play special goals pp sh total scorer g a pts bourque douris leach oates poulin wesley buffalo power play no scoring pittsburgh new jersey first period pittsburgh francis lemieux tocchet pp second period pittsburgh murphy francis mullen sh pittsburgh francis tocchet lemieux pp pittsburgh jagr tocchet francis pp new jersey zelepukin driver lemieux pp third period new jersey maclean nicholls stevens pittsburgh lemieux jagr en pittsburgh power play special goals pp sh en total scorer g a pts francis jagr lemieux mullen murphy tocchet new jersey power play scorer g a pts driver lemieux maclean nicholls stevens zelepukin toronto philadelphia first period philadelphia dineen beranek hawgood philadelphia mcgill lindros recchi second period philadelphia lindros recchi galley third period philadelphia dineen hawgood galley pp philadelphia power play scorer g a pts beranek dineen galley hawgood lindros mcgill recchi toronto power play no scoring vancouver ottawa first period no scoring second period vancouver plavsic craven vancouver momesso nedved plavsic pp third period vancouver bure unassisted vancouver power play scorer g a pts bure craven momesso nedved plavsic ottawa power play no scoring st louis chicago first period chicago sutter murphy chelios pp st louis janney shanahan j brown pp chicago roenick chelios smith pp chicago roenick sutter chelios pp chicago graham gilbert ruuttu st louis janney shanahan crossman second period no scoring third period chicago murphy chelios belfour st louis miller hull janney pp st louis janney miller shanahan chicago power play scorer g a pts belfour chelios gilbert graham murphy roenick ruuttu smith sutter st louis power play scorer g a pts brown j crossman hull janney miller shanahan calgary san jose first period calgary otto yawney ashton pp san jose odgers pederson wilkinson second period calgary nieuwendyk johansson reese calgary reichel skrudland berube third period calgary ashton otto fleury san jose pederson odgers evason san jose odgers gaudreau evason pp calgary power play scorer g a pts ashton berube fleury johansson nieuwendyk otto reese reichel skrudland yawney san jose power play scorer g a pts evason gaudreau odgers pederson wilkinson
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re playoff predictions b stanley cup champion vancouver canucks sorry pittsburgh in a walk jack first of all the penguins will win the cup again who is going to stop them definitely not the canucks my predictions patrick division winner pittsburgh adams division winner quebec or montreal norris division winner detroit smythe division winner winnipeg wales conference champ pittsburgh campbell conference champ detroit stanley cup champions again pittsburgh canucks suck they ll lose in the first round compliments of winnipeg and teemu selanne the pens are almost unstoppable with mario lemieux
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re coloured puck was changes not noted yet in article apr bnr ca dwarf bcarh bnr ca w jim jordan says the precedent was set by the wha in their first season they used a red puck for exhibition games and a blue one for the regular season thankfully they abandoned it in favour of black before the next season began one reason that the wha abandoned the blue puck was the fact that it crumbled very quickly during play the blue dye that was used somehow affected the vulcanized rubber of the puck decreasing its cohesiveness terry u uicvm uic edu
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re wc pool b gb win the gold in apr alchemy chem utoronto ca golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca writes in article porp c zaphod axion bt co uk nmcglynn axion bt co uk writes gb has now risen from nowhere to pool a in seasons they pulled out of the world championships in and did not re enter until when we took part in pool d in we hosted pool d and won all our game to progress to pool c in gb finished th in pool c and then last year we hosted pool c again winning all our games now after pool b gb won all games and in now in pool a world champions next year perhaps just goes to show you what using canadians can do for a hockey team france italy and now great britain all use a significant number of canadians on their hockey teams yup then again there are lots of foreign born players on the canadian national soccer team so the brits give something back to you in the end for the record former ny rangers coach ted darth sator recently led lion milan jari kurri s former team only the nickname s changed devils lion to their second straight italian championship they made the european final four last autumn after losing to swedish champs malmo in the semis and accomplished this feat using fifteen canadian born players mamma mia marcu gerald
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re this year s biggest and worst opinion in article c cjb l z ccu umanitoba ca umturne ccu umanitoba ca daryl turner writes they were and even if washington might consider patty a bust i d rework that trade in a minute druce has been a complete and utter bust here only goals well druce pretty much sucked when he was with the caps he had one good playoffs not season oh well the caps are notorious for making stupid trades anyway as can be seen with the cicarelli and hrivnak trades sigh in another note i d have to say the caps biggest surprise was cote as many caps fans had been expecting a lot from bondra already go skins now for the next question does emotional music have quite go braves an effect on you mike patton faith no more go hornets go capitals mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gtd a prism gatech edu
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canadian silver dollar stanley cup centennial hi according to my always questionable newspaper there s a silver dollar being minted in canada the back of which commemorates the anniversary of the stanley cup now i know full well what coins are used every day in canada i can easily fish a few out of my pocket change right now in fact my question is since the loon is the only dollar coin that i know is legal tender is this just a commemorative coin with no monetary exchange value or what is it the sort of thing that only hockey buffs and coin collectors might covet with no chance of it being circulated if it is an uncirculated coin what s the current cost and what s its potential value just curious if no one knows i ll take this to soc culture canada and rec collecting or whatever it is thanks again valerie hammerl some days i have to remind him he s not hammerl acsu buffalo edu mario lemieux herb brooks on claude acscvjh ubms cc buffalo edu lemieux top scorer for the devils but v pwwpz ubvms cc buffalo edu known for taking dumb penalties
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re superstars and attendance was teemu selanne was leaders in apr ists ists ca dchhabra stpl ists ca deepak chhabra writes dean j falcione posting from jrmst pitt edu writes but i think the reason is lemieux had a point season and was the first non gretzky to win the hart and ross since people turned out to watch him play i will grant that a star like mario will draw fans even if the team sucks but this is short term only i still do not think the attendance increase will last unless the team is a winning competitive improving butt kicking one pittsburgh was still getting better so people continued to support them if they suddenly dropped to say points you d have knee surgery for some of the people jumping off the bandwagon i disagree mcnall has demonstrated with gretzky that a star brings out the crowds whether or not the team is expected to do well very few fans real istically expect the kings to do well this year although i do and yet they still go out to see gretzky this is the marketing strategy selling the game by selling the stars that is employed by baseball and notably the nba and this is the attitude that the new bettman mcnall leadership is bringing to the league they have gone on record as stating that they are trying to sell the game on its stars timo salami and brett hull are perfect examples of players that real fans know aren t worth a damn and yet being benificiaries of marketing oriented coaching strategies have goal totals that would indicate to the casual observer the very fans the nhl wants to attract that these players are indeed superstars they made the transaction to try and build a winner around mario that is true but the improvement in attendance came before they started doing this coffey late in and before they even had a playoff bound team a doubling of attendance occured in from the previous year an increase from points to points is not going to do that the arrival of mario lemieux is what did it it might help to think about what would go through a fan s mind who suddenly found an interest in mario and the pens was it gee mario lemieux is amazing i ll go watch him play or was it gee now we ve got a kick ass guy on our side i ll go watch him play i think it was the latter it ain t nearly so simple as this the casual fan doesn t think about much at all can you actually find an adult with a digit iq who believes that mcdonalds makes good hamburgers i did provide the example of rocket ismail and the toronto argonauts of the cfl did you leave it out because you don t know much about the cfl if that s the case then fair enough but if it isn t the case then i m curious to hear your explanation yes but apparently the rocket has not lived up to his marketing responsi bilities has he he was hyped initially as a superstar but outside of one grey cup game he has done very little to maintain enhance that assess ment of his talents most argo fans probably feel the team would be better off without him cordially as always rm roger maynard maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca
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re ottawa montreal philly trade here we go again is this the same idiot who posted the gretzky trade to toronto sheeeesh you should have waited until we got over that one before this garbage maybe we would have believed it for half a second not by the way i just heard from mother goose that mario lemieux was traded to winnpeg for tie domi randy psc i know noone has heard of it it s a tiny college in hicksville new hampshire plymouth state college
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re nhl team leaders in in apr ists ists ca dchhabra stpl ists ca deepak chhabra writes implicitly you are assuming that goals scored against winnipeg with selanne on the ice can be blamed on him roger he is a forward winnipeg has a lousy defensive record anyway let s put it another way john cullen s is terrible what s your excuse for him that his powerplay points don t count neither do selanne s are you comparing cullen to salami i would say that that is valid if winnipeg is such a lousy defensive team then why the hell does salami stand around the other team s blueline when the puck is in his own end the object of the game is not to feed selanne it is to win and feeding selanne does not contribute in any meaningful way to winning knowledgeable hockey observers the world over would agree that feeding selanne so he can score does contribute in a meaningful way to winning excuse me are the jets playing hockey let me check yes but just barely they have allowed more goals than they have scored sounds an awful lot like salami s to me sounds like they would be just as well off or better if he played the solid two way game that our friends in finland claim he is capable of but if he did that he wouldn t be chal lenging for the league lead in goals would he the bi planes might be challenging for first however you re worried about teemu when you have glenn anderson on your team now let s see you have compared timo to anderson and cullen who s next mike foligno we don t know what selanne does best we do know what jet s management wants and again the object of the exercise is not to allow selanne to do what he does best it is to win hockey games what he does best is score so i refer you to my comment above some of our finnish friends who have watched him play claim that he can play a solid two way game i would have to say that this style of contribution would be more conducive to winning or don t you think so as it is now selanne is a grandstanding goal suck did you see the way he parades around with his arms outstretched after scoring a goal you would think the messiah had returned nope didn t see it i was too busy watching foligno jump up and down after his goal i don t believe it you did compare him to foligno and i honestly hadn t read this far it would help if you used a little discrimination in your thinking your contributions would be more highly valued if we could see that you weren t trying to be merely argumentative cordially as always rm roger maynard maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca
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re in memoriam dan kelly and danny gallivan in article burke burkemac oshag nd edu burke nd edu r p burke writes when talking about hockey broadcasters let s give a moment of silence to remember the st louis blues great dan kelly many of you may have heard him in the late s and early s on cbs he used to do hockey night in canada intermissions with another recently deceased great danny gallivan of the canadiens agreed here i ll never forget dan kelly calling the play by play in the canada cup he was masterful and danny gallivan will never be replaced even now when i watch hnic i remember his voice when i see an al macinnis or al iafrate hey what s with these guys named al who can shoot shot from the point i still think blistering blast thn had a tribute to gallivan in the issue following his death in the story they included a quote from one of the games he did it went it appears risebrough has pugnaciously construed that check he said and will undoubtedly make a visitation to the box of punition classic vintage gallivan he s sorely missed so here s to two of the best there was and best that ever will be dchhabra stpl ists ca
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this year s biggest and worst opinion i was thinking about who on each of the teams were the mvps biggest surprises and biggest disappointments this year now these are just my observations and are admittedly lacking because i have not had an opportunity to see all the teams the same amount anyway mvp most valuable player to his team both in terms of points and in terms of leadership can t win without him biggest surprise the player who rose above expectation the player that may have raised the level of his game to a new height even if that new level doesn t necessarily warrant an allstar berth includes those players who at the outset of the season may not even have been in the team s plans biggest disappointment the player from whom we expected more e g i picked denis savard in montreal because with the new emphasis on offence brought by demers shouldn t savard have done better team biggest biggest team mvp surprise disappointment boston bruins oates d sweeney wesley buffalo sabres lafontaine mogilny audette jinx calgary flames roberts reichel petit chicago blackhawks roenick ruuttu goulet detroit red wings yzerman chaisson kozlov edmonton oilers manson buchberger mellanby hartford whalers sanderson cassells corriveau los angeles kings robitaille donnelly hrudey minnesota north stars modano tinordi not expected back broten montreal canadiens muller lebeau savard new jersey devils stevens semak maclean new york islanders turgeon king finally marois new york rangers messier kovalev bourque ottawa senators maciver baker jelinek philadelphia flyers lindros recchi fedyk galley eklund pittsburgh penguins lemieux tocchet even for him jagr quebec nordiques sakic ricci kovalenko pearson san jose sharks kisio gaudreau maley st louis blues shanahan c joseph ron sutter tampa bay lightening bradley bradley creighton kasper toronto maple leafs gilmour potvin ellett anderson vancouver canucks bure nedved finally momesso washington capitals hatcher bondra cote elynuik winnipeg jets selanne selanne druce as i mentioned up top these are my impressions from where i sit i would welcome any opinions from those fans nearer their teams in other words anywhere away from a toronto newspaper bryan
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re this year s biggest and worst opinion smale healthy uwaterloo ca bryan smale writes team biggest biggest team mvp surprise disappointment washington capitals hatcher bondra cote elynuik winnipeg jets selanne selanne druce weren t these two traded for each other poetic justice
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re let s talk sticks in article c pt cm odin corp sgi com dptom endor corp sgi com tom arnold writes okay you hockey playing fans finatics out there i m looking over the wide range of aluminum sticks for the first time i ve been playing with pieces of lumbar that seem to weigh alot and break after a few uses so i m thinking of changing to an aluminum shaft so when i break the blade all i have to do is change it the problem is that there is such a wide reange of models and selections out there that i m not certain which to consider can any of you post some of your suggestions and experiences with the aluminum sticks what is the difference between models what do you like dislike about them and which brands are best i ve had and still have a few aluminum sticks i got my first when i was a christian and broke the shaft halfway through the season two years later i bought another a canadian at the beginning of the next season and i still have it i also have an easton that a friend was getting rid off after giving up the game i find that easton blades are easier to get but all brands of blades are pretty well interchangeable watch out for dried up bits of firewood that some stores pass off as blades in my experiences the blades of an aluminum break more often than regular sticks but i ve only ever broken one aluminum shaft i like aluminum sticks the blades are quickly changed even on the bench if you have to on the downside the shaft won t break if you decide to impale yourself on it ciao mark s this is between me and the vegetable rick moranis in little shop of horrors mark shoesmith shoe physics watstar uwaterloo ca
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re this year s biggest and worst opinion in article c zcii ftn watserv uwaterloo ca smale healthy uwaterloo ca bryan smale writes i was thinking about who on each of the teams were the mvps biggest surprises and biggest disappointments this year now these are just my observations and are admittedly lacking because i have not had an opportunity to see all the teams the same amount anyway team mvp surprise disappointment edmonton oilers manson buchberger mellanby well since the oilers didn t win a heck of a lot of games i m not sure they deserve and mvp can t win without him however i d suggest kelly buchberger instead of dave manson who has had a brutal year his pick for the all star game notwithstanding as for biggest surprise i d say that buchberger had higher expectations this year due to his breakthrough year for him last year so he didn t really raise his game my suggestion would be shjon podein one of the callups from cape breton during the year he was quite far down on the depth chart in the oilers stable of prospects but made a big impact on the team he has goals in his games and is only those are decent numbers for a third line player who was seemingly doomed to minor league oblivion the oilers coaching staff likens his style to john tonelli i think he ll be on the full time roster next year as for biggest disappointment you could name any of the players the oilers dumped for lousy production this year nicholls gilchrist tikkanen or even shayne corson but mellanby isn t far off andrew scott andrew idacom hp com hp idacom telecom division ext during the roman era was considered old
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re potvin s new goalie mask stephen legge slegge kean ucs munc ca writes i was wtahcing right guard hockey week on tsn yesterday and they had a feature on this guy that does a lot most of the masks for nhl goalies they talked about how they are made what they are made of and the designs that are put on them etc actually this part was really interesting it turns out that the mask is custom fit to the goalie s face the goalie puts his her face through a piece of wood or was it plastic with a hole in it that allows only the face and forehead to show hair is covered by a cap eyes are covered by a plastic wrap type material and vaseline is put on the goaltender s face then a plaster is spread on their cheeks forehead and chin which takes about minutes to dry sufficiently when it dries it is effectively a mold of the goalie s face this is used as the basis of the mask the rest involves padding the inside hardening the exterior fitting the cage etc etc john blue of the bruins actually demonstrated the procedure on the show he exhibited a couple masks he is currently working on namely a new mask for andy moog which is a basic re working of his current mask with the bear on it and new mask for bob essensa which was really cool the jets logo was on the chin and there were two fighter jets on either side on the forehead with an air brushed back ground yeah essensa s mask looked really good the best one of all was one he never talked about he just held it up it has the current leafs crest on the chin and an awesome looking black panther on the forehead it has to be a new mask for felix potvin but he never said whose it was actually i thought i heard him say that it was potvin s for certain i would bet money on it either way and it did look awesome dchhabra stpl ists ca
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re ncaa finals winner ktgeiss miavx acs muohio edu writes lake state maine in finals who won please post maine
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re this year s biggest and worst opinion in article c zcii ftn watserv uwaterloo ca smale healthy uwaterloo ca bryan smale writes team biggest biggest team mvp surprise disappointment boston bruins oates d sweeney wesley buffalo sabres lafontaine mogilny audette jinx calgary flames roberts reichel petit chicago blackhawks roenick ruuttu goulet chelios is by far the mvp on chicago detroit red wings yzerman chaisson kozlov edmonton oilers manson buchberger mellanby manson by his own admission had a terrible year the oilers don t really have a team mvp by default it should go to craig mactavish shjon podein was the biggest surprise tikkanen the biggest disappointment hartford whalers sanderson cassells corriveau los angeles kings robitaille donnelly hrudey minnesota north stars modano tinordi not expected back broten tinordi was back by mid season last year and when he plays he is the mvp montreal canadiens muller lebeau savard new jersey devils stevens semak maclean new york islanders turgeon king finally marois king had a great year last year also new york rangers messier kovalev bourque how can kovalev be a surprise ottawa senators maciver baker jelinek philadelphia flyers lindros recchi fedyk galley eklund fence sitting look at philly s record with eric and without there is no doubt soderstrom is probably the biggest surprise pittsburgh penguins lemieux tocchet even for him jagr tocchet had a near point season in philly with mike bullard as his center why shouldn t he be able to do that with mario quebec nordiques sakic ricci kovalenko pearson san jose sharks kisio gaudreau maley st louis blues shanahan c joseph ron sutter really joseph deserves the mvp nod tampa bay lightening bradley bradley creighton kasper toronto maple leafs gilmour potvin ellett anderson vancouver canucks bure nedved finally momesso washington capitals hatcher bondra cote elynuik winnipeg jets selanne selanne druce gerald
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re where are the doubters now hmm in article apr ramsey cs laurentian ca maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca roger maynard writes and after the leafs make cream cheese of the philadelphia side tomorrow night the leafs will be without equal the leafs are the best team in the campbell conference cordially as always rm roger maynard maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca more like philadelphia making dust out of dead leafs roger why do you continue to embarass yourself with your brash predictions they got whitewashed by a last place team granted philly is pretty decent but the best team in the cambell conference would have beaten a last place team scott e humphrey chemical engineering university of tulsa hse vax utulsa edu bruins for the cup opinions expressed are those of the individual not of the u of tulsa
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