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Who cares. They’ll go nuts no matter what she does, might as well laugh | [
"Foxnews reported that this interview prooves that NPR is backing the left and not fair reporting.....\nFox news complaining about fair news... rich",
">\n\nWhat a ridiculous criticism\nShe’s the vice president and an interview is the most straightforward form of journalism there is",
">\n\nWe JuSt DiSlIkE hEr PoLiCiEs - Conservatives",
">\n\nI don’t dislike her policies, I dislike her.",
">\n\nGod forbid black woman is competent at her job.",
">\n\nNothing gets the crazies riled up faster than a powerful Black woman.",
">\n\n\nHer life is about to change: with Democrats expanding their control in the Senate, Vice President Harris tells NPR's Asma Khalid that she won't need to stay as close to Washington as she has in the administration's first two years — when she was her party's tie-breaking vote in the chamber. \n\nShe's essentially losing her power, becoming more and more a real life Selina Meyer Veep.",
">\n\nRemember when Harris knowingly prosecuted with tainted evidence, went to court over it, lost, sued the judge for personal bias, and lost again?\nI voted for her but really hope I won’t have to again.",
">\n\nWow. This is the first time I’ve seen the vice President in two years. Too bad she sucks and has zero charisma",
">\n\nUsed to be the norm for vp to balance the ticket and then be generally forgotten.",
">\n\nWho are all these people expecting the VP to be a firebrand activist?",
">\n\nI think people have come to expect more headlines from a VP, but the public VP really started with Cheney and the roll has been diled back each successive VP. \nIt's more that she's more like Gore or Quail, and it's been a while since those guys.",
">\n\nPlease no inappropriate laughing fit. \nThey're going to go after her ass if she does."
] |
> | [
"Foxnews reported that this interview prooves that NPR is backing the left and not fair reporting.....\nFox news complaining about fair news... rich",
">\n\nWhat a ridiculous criticism\nShe’s the vice president and an interview is the most straightforward form of journalism there is",
">\n\nWe JuSt DiSlIkE hEr PoLiCiEs - Conservatives",
">\n\nI don’t dislike her policies, I dislike her.",
">\n\nGod forbid black woman is competent at her job.",
">\n\nNothing gets the crazies riled up faster than a powerful Black woman.",
">\n\n\nHer life is about to change: with Democrats expanding their control in the Senate, Vice President Harris tells NPR's Asma Khalid that she won't need to stay as close to Washington as she has in the administration's first two years — when she was her party's tie-breaking vote in the chamber. \n\nShe's essentially losing her power, becoming more and more a real life Selina Meyer Veep.",
">\n\nRemember when Harris knowingly prosecuted with tainted evidence, went to court over it, lost, sued the judge for personal bias, and lost again?\nI voted for her but really hope I won’t have to again.",
">\n\nWow. This is the first time I’ve seen the vice President in two years. Too bad she sucks and has zero charisma",
">\n\nUsed to be the norm for vp to balance the ticket and then be generally forgotten.",
">\n\nWho are all these people expecting the VP to be a firebrand activist?",
">\n\nI think people have come to expect more headlines from a VP, but the public VP really started with Cheney and the roll has been diled back each successive VP. \nIt's more that she's more like Gore or Quail, and it's been a while since those guys.",
">\n\nPlease no inappropriate laughing fit. \nThey're going to go after her ass if she does.",
">\n\nWho cares. They’ll go nuts no matter what she does, might as well laugh"
] |
A list of donors is worth more than anything that comes out their mouths | [] |
>
IKR? I've followed the money since high school debate team, for years assumed everyone did the same. You see, I just refused to give anyone the honor of my vote until I knew who was supporting them. At this point, all I have to do is open a list of donors and I know exactly what someone is about. I know the nicer kind of people, the crooks, the predators, the miscreants from previous episodes of the same old thing, but mostly I can tell whether they are truly what they say they are. This one isn't what they say she is. | [
"A list of donors is worth more than anything that comes out their mouths"
] |
>
She stood in the way of voting rights legislation. Her self-proclaimed alignment is irrelevant after such a betrayal. Let's not over-analyze it when she's already demonstrated clearly that her true allegiance is not to the American people.
Democrats should run someone against her. Even if a Republican wins, at least Sinema loses, and we can move forward toward getting a good candidate in place. | [
"A list of donors is worth more than anything that comes out their mouths",
">\n\nIKR? I've followed the money since high school debate team, for years assumed everyone did the same. You see, I just refused to give anyone the honor of my vote until I knew who was supporting them. At this point, all I have to do is open a list of donors and I know exactly what someone is about. I know the nicer kind of people, the crooks, the predators, the miscreants from previous episodes of the same old thing, but mostly I can tell whether they are truly what they say they are. This one isn't what they say she is."
] |
>
The “curtesy” with her “forever 21” lil knapsack to shoot down minimum wage increase. Makes my blood boil to this day. I was “owned”. | [
"A list of donors is worth more than anything that comes out their mouths",
">\n\nIKR? I've followed the money since high school debate team, for years assumed everyone did the same. You see, I just refused to give anyone the honor of my vote until I knew who was supporting them. At this point, all I have to do is open a list of donors and I know exactly what someone is about. I know the nicer kind of people, the crooks, the predators, the miscreants from previous episodes of the same old thing, but mostly I can tell whether they are truly what they say they are. This one isn't what they say she is.",
">\n\nShe stood in the way of voting rights legislation. Her self-proclaimed alignment is irrelevant after such a betrayal. Let's not over-analyze it when she's already demonstrated clearly that her true allegiance is not to the American people.\nDemocrats should run someone against her. Even if a Republican wins, at least Sinema loses, and we can move forward toward getting a good candidate in place."
] |
>
I used to believe Independents were necessary, but then the Trump era came and I realized, all the GOP is homogeneous (and borderline fascist) yet the Dems have a party tent so big that Manchin and AOC fit in it.
When one side is diverse and inclusive, and the otherside is fascist, it shouldn’t even be a choice | [
"A list of donors is worth more than anything that comes out their mouths",
">\n\nIKR? I've followed the money since high school debate team, for years assumed everyone did the same. You see, I just refused to give anyone the honor of my vote until I knew who was supporting them. At this point, all I have to do is open a list of donors and I know exactly what someone is about. I know the nicer kind of people, the crooks, the predators, the miscreants from previous episodes of the same old thing, but mostly I can tell whether they are truly what they say they are. This one isn't what they say she is.",
">\n\nShe stood in the way of voting rights legislation. Her self-proclaimed alignment is irrelevant after such a betrayal. Let's not over-analyze it when she's already demonstrated clearly that her true allegiance is not to the American people.\nDemocrats should run someone against her. Even if a Republican wins, at least Sinema loses, and we can move forward toward getting a good candidate in place.",
">\n\nThe “curtesy” with her “forever 21” lil knapsack to shoot down minimum wage increase. Makes my blood boil to this day. I was “owned”."
] |
>
The DNC is about as diverse and inclusive as a Auburn University sorority. | [
"A list of donors is worth more than anything that comes out their mouths",
">\n\nIKR? I've followed the money since high school debate team, for years assumed everyone did the same. You see, I just refused to give anyone the honor of my vote until I knew who was supporting them. At this point, all I have to do is open a list of donors and I know exactly what someone is about. I know the nicer kind of people, the crooks, the predators, the miscreants from previous episodes of the same old thing, but mostly I can tell whether they are truly what they say they are. This one isn't what they say she is.",
">\n\nShe stood in the way of voting rights legislation. Her self-proclaimed alignment is irrelevant after such a betrayal. Let's not over-analyze it when she's already demonstrated clearly that her true allegiance is not to the American people.\nDemocrats should run someone against her. Even if a Republican wins, at least Sinema loses, and we can move forward toward getting a good candidate in place.",
">\n\nThe “curtesy” with her “forever 21” lil knapsack to shoot down minimum wage increase. Makes my blood boil to this day. I was “owned”.",
">\n\nI used to believe Independents were necessary, but then the Trump era came and I realized, all the GOP is homogeneous (and borderline fascist) yet the Dems have a party tent so big that Manchin and AOC fit in it.\nWhen one side is diverse and inclusive, and the otherside is fascist, it shouldn’t even be a choice"
] |
>
How do you figure? | [
"A list of donors is worth more than anything that comes out their mouths",
">\n\nIKR? I've followed the money since high school debate team, for years assumed everyone did the same. You see, I just refused to give anyone the honor of my vote until I knew who was supporting them. At this point, all I have to do is open a list of donors and I know exactly what someone is about. I know the nicer kind of people, the crooks, the predators, the miscreants from previous episodes of the same old thing, but mostly I can tell whether they are truly what they say they are. This one isn't what they say she is.",
">\n\nShe stood in the way of voting rights legislation. Her self-proclaimed alignment is irrelevant after such a betrayal. Let's not over-analyze it when she's already demonstrated clearly that her true allegiance is not to the American people.\nDemocrats should run someone against her. Even if a Republican wins, at least Sinema loses, and we can move forward toward getting a good candidate in place.",
">\n\nThe “curtesy” with her “forever 21” lil knapsack to shoot down minimum wage increase. Makes my blood boil to this day. I was “owned”.",
">\n\nI used to believe Independents were necessary, but then the Trump era came and I realized, all the GOP is homogeneous (and borderline fascist) yet the Dems have a party tent so big that Manchin and AOC fit in it.\nWhen one side is diverse and inclusive, and the otherside is fascist, it shouldn’t even be a choice",
">\n\nThe DNC is about as diverse and inclusive as a Auburn University sorority."
] |
>
They want people who tow the party line. | [
"A list of donors is worth more than anything that comes out their mouths",
">\n\nIKR? I've followed the money since high school debate team, for years assumed everyone did the same. You see, I just refused to give anyone the honor of my vote until I knew who was supporting them. At this point, all I have to do is open a list of donors and I know exactly what someone is about. I know the nicer kind of people, the crooks, the predators, the miscreants from previous episodes of the same old thing, but mostly I can tell whether they are truly what they say they are. This one isn't what they say she is.",
">\n\nShe stood in the way of voting rights legislation. Her self-proclaimed alignment is irrelevant after such a betrayal. Let's not over-analyze it when she's already demonstrated clearly that her true allegiance is not to the American people.\nDemocrats should run someone against her. Even if a Republican wins, at least Sinema loses, and we can move forward toward getting a good candidate in place.",
">\n\nThe “curtesy” with her “forever 21” lil knapsack to shoot down minimum wage increase. Makes my blood boil to this day. I was “owned”.",
">\n\nI used to believe Independents were necessary, but then the Trump era came and I realized, all the GOP is homogeneous (and borderline fascist) yet the Dems have a party tent so big that Manchin and AOC fit in it.\nWhen one side is diverse and inclusive, and the otherside is fascist, it shouldn’t even be a choice",
">\n\nThe DNC is about as diverse and inclusive as a Auburn University sorority.",
">\n\nHow do you figure?"
] |
>
How does that relate at all to your first comment? | [
"A list of donors is worth more than anything that comes out their mouths",
">\n\nIKR? I've followed the money since high school debate team, for years assumed everyone did the same. You see, I just refused to give anyone the honor of my vote until I knew who was supporting them. At this point, all I have to do is open a list of donors and I know exactly what someone is about. I know the nicer kind of people, the crooks, the predators, the miscreants from previous episodes of the same old thing, but mostly I can tell whether they are truly what they say they are. This one isn't what they say she is.",
">\n\nShe stood in the way of voting rights legislation. Her self-proclaimed alignment is irrelevant after such a betrayal. Let's not over-analyze it when she's already demonstrated clearly that her true allegiance is not to the American people.\nDemocrats should run someone against her. Even if a Republican wins, at least Sinema loses, and we can move forward toward getting a good candidate in place.",
">\n\nThe “curtesy” with her “forever 21” lil knapsack to shoot down minimum wage increase. Makes my blood boil to this day. I was “owned”.",
">\n\nI used to believe Independents were necessary, but then the Trump era came and I realized, all the GOP is homogeneous (and borderline fascist) yet the Dems have a party tent so big that Manchin and AOC fit in it.\nWhen one side is diverse and inclusive, and the otherside is fascist, it shouldn’t even be a choice",
">\n\nThe DNC is about as diverse and inclusive as a Auburn University sorority.",
">\n\nHow do you figure?",
">\n\nThey want people who tow the party line."
] |
>
Diversity of ideas and ideologies. | [
"A list of donors is worth more than anything that comes out their mouths",
">\n\nIKR? I've followed the money since high school debate team, for years assumed everyone did the same. You see, I just refused to give anyone the honor of my vote until I knew who was supporting them. At this point, all I have to do is open a list of donors and I know exactly what someone is about. I know the nicer kind of people, the crooks, the predators, the miscreants from previous episodes of the same old thing, but mostly I can tell whether they are truly what they say they are. This one isn't what they say she is.",
">\n\nShe stood in the way of voting rights legislation. Her self-proclaimed alignment is irrelevant after such a betrayal. Let's not over-analyze it when she's already demonstrated clearly that her true allegiance is not to the American people.\nDemocrats should run someone against her. Even if a Republican wins, at least Sinema loses, and we can move forward toward getting a good candidate in place.",
">\n\nThe “curtesy” with her “forever 21” lil knapsack to shoot down minimum wage increase. Makes my blood boil to this day. I was “owned”.",
">\n\nI used to believe Independents were necessary, but then the Trump era came and I realized, all the GOP is homogeneous (and borderline fascist) yet the Dems have a party tent so big that Manchin and AOC fit in it.\nWhen one side is diverse and inclusive, and the otherside is fascist, it shouldn’t even be a choice",
">\n\nThe DNC is about as diverse and inclusive as a Auburn University sorority.",
">\n\nHow do you figure?",
">\n\nThey want people who tow the party line.",
">\n\nHow does that relate at all to your first comment?"
] |
>
I don't see how that lead you to the conclusion you drew, and don't feel like it reflects reality. | [
"A list of donors is worth more than anything that comes out their mouths",
">\n\nIKR? I've followed the money since high school debate team, for years assumed everyone did the same. You see, I just refused to give anyone the honor of my vote until I knew who was supporting them. At this point, all I have to do is open a list of donors and I know exactly what someone is about. I know the nicer kind of people, the crooks, the predators, the miscreants from previous episodes of the same old thing, but mostly I can tell whether they are truly what they say they are. This one isn't what they say she is.",
">\n\nShe stood in the way of voting rights legislation. Her self-proclaimed alignment is irrelevant after such a betrayal. Let's not over-analyze it when she's already demonstrated clearly that her true allegiance is not to the American people.\nDemocrats should run someone against her. Even if a Republican wins, at least Sinema loses, and we can move forward toward getting a good candidate in place.",
">\n\nThe “curtesy” with her “forever 21” lil knapsack to shoot down minimum wage increase. Makes my blood boil to this day. I was “owned”.",
">\n\nI used to believe Independents were necessary, but then the Trump era came and I realized, all the GOP is homogeneous (and borderline fascist) yet the Dems have a party tent so big that Manchin and AOC fit in it.\nWhen one side is diverse and inclusive, and the otherside is fascist, it shouldn’t even be a choice",
">\n\nThe DNC is about as diverse and inclusive as a Auburn University sorority.",
">\n\nHow do you figure?",
">\n\nThey want people who tow the party line.",
">\n\nHow does that relate at all to your first comment?",
">\n\nDiversity of ideas and ideologies."
] |
>
Sinema is an opportunist. Look to Senator Angus King for what an independent politician looks like. All cattle and no hat... | [
"A list of donors is worth more than anything that comes out their mouths",
">\n\nIKR? I've followed the money since high school debate team, for years assumed everyone did the same. You see, I just refused to give anyone the honor of my vote until I knew who was supporting them. At this point, all I have to do is open a list of donors and I know exactly what someone is about. I know the nicer kind of people, the crooks, the predators, the miscreants from previous episodes of the same old thing, but mostly I can tell whether they are truly what they say they are. This one isn't what they say she is.",
">\n\nShe stood in the way of voting rights legislation. Her self-proclaimed alignment is irrelevant after such a betrayal. Let's not over-analyze it when she's already demonstrated clearly that her true allegiance is not to the American people.\nDemocrats should run someone against her. Even if a Republican wins, at least Sinema loses, and we can move forward toward getting a good candidate in place.",
">\n\nThe “curtesy” with her “forever 21” lil knapsack to shoot down minimum wage increase. Makes my blood boil to this day. I was “owned”.",
">\n\nI used to believe Independents were necessary, but then the Trump era came and I realized, all the GOP is homogeneous (and borderline fascist) yet the Dems have a party tent so big that Manchin and AOC fit in it.\nWhen one side is diverse and inclusive, and the otherside is fascist, it shouldn’t even be a choice",
">\n\nThe DNC is about as diverse and inclusive as a Auburn University sorority.",
">\n\nHow do you figure?",
">\n\nThey want people who tow the party line.",
">\n\nHow does that relate at all to your first comment?",
">\n\nDiversity of ideas and ideologies.",
">\n\nI don't see how that lead you to the conclusion you drew, and don't feel like it reflects reality."
] |
>
Does it seem to anyone that somebody paid her to pretend she was a Democrat? | [
"A list of donors is worth more than anything that comes out their mouths",
">\n\nIKR? I've followed the money since high school debate team, for years assumed everyone did the same. You see, I just refused to give anyone the honor of my vote until I knew who was supporting them. At this point, all I have to do is open a list of donors and I know exactly what someone is about. I know the nicer kind of people, the crooks, the predators, the miscreants from previous episodes of the same old thing, but mostly I can tell whether they are truly what they say they are. This one isn't what they say she is.",
">\n\nShe stood in the way of voting rights legislation. Her self-proclaimed alignment is irrelevant after such a betrayal. Let's not over-analyze it when she's already demonstrated clearly that her true allegiance is not to the American people.\nDemocrats should run someone against her. Even if a Republican wins, at least Sinema loses, and we can move forward toward getting a good candidate in place.",
">\n\nThe “curtesy” with her “forever 21” lil knapsack to shoot down minimum wage increase. Makes my blood boil to this day. I was “owned”.",
">\n\nI used to believe Independents were necessary, but then the Trump era came and I realized, all the GOP is homogeneous (and borderline fascist) yet the Dems have a party tent so big that Manchin and AOC fit in it.\nWhen one side is diverse and inclusive, and the otherside is fascist, it shouldn’t even be a choice",
">\n\nThe DNC is about as diverse and inclusive as a Auburn University sorority.",
">\n\nHow do you figure?",
">\n\nThey want people who tow the party line.",
">\n\nHow does that relate at all to your first comment?",
">\n\nDiversity of ideas and ideologies.",
">\n\nI don't see how that lead you to the conclusion you drew, and don't feel like it reflects reality.",
">\n\nSinema is an opportunist. Look to Senator Angus King for what an independent politician looks like. All cattle and no hat..."
] |
>
I thought that was widely assumed. Her votes were so contrarian to anything remotely progressive, there’s just no other explanation. But if that is the case, what’s to be done? And what’s to be done in the future when it happens again? | [
"A list of donors is worth more than anything that comes out their mouths",
">\n\nIKR? I've followed the money since high school debate team, for years assumed everyone did the same. You see, I just refused to give anyone the honor of my vote until I knew who was supporting them. At this point, all I have to do is open a list of donors and I know exactly what someone is about. I know the nicer kind of people, the crooks, the predators, the miscreants from previous episodes of the same old thing, but mostly I can tell whether they are truly what they say they are. This one isn't what they say she is.",
">\n\nShe stood in the way of voting rights legislation. Her self-proclaimed alignment is irrelevant after such a betrayal. Let's not over-analyze it when she's already demonstrated clearly that her true allegiance is not to the American people.\nDemocrats should run someone against her. Even if a Republican wins, at least Sinema loses, and we can move forward toward getting a good candidate in place.",
">\n\nThe “curtesy” with her “forever 21” lil knapsack to shoot down minimum wage increase. Makes my blood boil to this day. I was “owned”.",
">\n\nI used to believe Independents were necessary, but then the Trump era came and I realized, all the GOP is homogeneous (and borderline fascist) yet the Dems have a party tent so big that Manchin and AOC fit in it.\nWhen one side is diverse and inclusive, and the otherside is fascist, it shouldn’t even be a choice",
">\n\nThe DNC is about as diverse and inclusive as a Auburn University sorority.",
">\n\nHow do you figure?",
">\n\nThey want people who tow the party line.",
">\n\nHow does that relate at all to your first comment?",
">\n\nDiversity of ideas and ideologies.",
">\n\nI don't see how that lead you to the conclusion you drew, and don't feel like it reflects reality.",
">\n\nSinema is an opportunist. Look to Senator Angus King for what an independent politician looks like. All cattle and no hat...",
">\n\nDoes it seem to anyone that somebody paid her to pretend she was a Democrat?"
] |
>
Tried to tell someone long ago that there’s no Independent in politics. Either you are voting mostly right or left. It is really vanity. A piece of mind that you are not like “them” you are “Independent “ it is a feel good label. The person I was talking to tried to tie it to money but no. You can be “Independent” and give or belong to a Party and not give.
I toss “Independent” right up there with “free thinker”. | [
"A list of donors is worth more than anything that comes out their mouths",
">\n\nIKR? I've followed the money since high school debate team, for years assumed everyone did the same. You see, I just refused to give anyone the honor of my vote until I knew who was supporting them. At this point, all I have to do is open a list of donors and I know exactly what someone is about. I know the nicer kind of people, the crooks, the predators, the miscreants from previous episodes of the same old thing, but mostly I can tell whether they are truly what they say they are. This one isn't what they say she is.",
">\n\nShe stood in the way of voting rights legislation. Her self-proclaimed alignment is irrelevant after such a betrayal. Let's not over-analyze it when she's already demonstrated clearly that her true allegiance is not to the American people.\nDemocrats should run someone against her. Even if a Republican wins, at least Sinema loses, and we can move forward toward getting a good candidate in place.",
">\n\nThe “curtesy” with her “forever 21” lil knapsack to shoot down minimum wage increase. Makes my blood boil to this day. I was “owned”.",
">\n\nI used to believe Independents were necessary, but then the Trump era came and I realized, all the GOP is homogeneous (and borderline fascist) yet the Dems have a party tent so big that Manchin and AOC fit in it.\nWhen one side is diverse and inclusive, and the otherside is fascist, it shouldn’t even be a choice",
">\n\nThe DNC is about as diverse and inclusive as a Auburn University sorority.",
">\n\nHow do you figure?",
">\n\nThey want people who tow the party line.",
">\n\nHow does that relate at all to your first comment?",
">\n\nDiversity of ideas and ideologies.",
">\n\nI don't see how that lead you to the conclusion you drew, and don't feel like it reflects reality.",
">\n\nSinema is an opportunist. Look to Senator Angus King for what an independent politician looks like. All cattle and no hat...",
">\n\nDoes it seem to anyone that somebody paid her to pretend she was a Democrat?",
">\n\nI thought that was widely assumed. Her votes were so contrarian to anything remotely progressive, there’s just no other explanation. But if that is the case, what’s to be done? And what’s to be done in the future when it happens again?"
] |
>
This I agree with and it needs to be smashed into people's skulls like a bag of hammers when they spew rhetorical complaints about the two party system of the country being to blame for the country's polarization.
There are valid arguments against two party electoral systems and they never seem to be able to articulate any of them which means they're screaming noise into the void in bad faith themselves, it's just another version of 'both sides are the same'.
Anyone with a complaint about a 'two party system' or that there aren't more and different flavors of political party to force a coalition government isn't actually aware that at minimum it doesn't change a thing, and at worst shit like Brexit can still happen.
There's only two possible answers when someone complains about a two-party system in the USA:
1) They are using it as shorthand to advocate ranked choice voting, outlaw first-past-the-post, revoke and codify Citizens United to put severe regulatory limits on corporate donations/lobbying, and dismantle gerrymandering. In the extreme it would be the breakup and divestiture of Fox News and Sinclair Broadcasting.
2) They're spewing feel-good rhetoric to make being a lazy freeloader come off as a above-the-fray holier-than-thou debate reasoning and sulky they aren't taken seriously enough to peel more votes for their particular viewpoint to twist the arms of the established political parties.
There are no other plausible reasonings unless it's an electoral historian informed as to how the two party system came into play despite the founders' warnings and the exact lists of pros and cons. Only then can you have an informed debate about the possibility and likelihood of a constitutional convention to break up the Democratic Party and GOP to force coalition governance, and why. | [
"A list of donors is worth more than anything that comes out their mouths",
">\n\nIKR? I've followed the money since high school debate team, for years assumed everyone did the same. You see, I just refused to give anyone the honor of my vote until I knew who was supporting them. At this point, all I have to do is open a list of donors and I know exactly what someone is about. I know the nicer kind of people, the crooks, the predators, the miscreants from previous episodes of the same old thing, but mostly I can tell whether they are truly what they say they are. This one isn't what they say she is.",
">\n\nShe stood in the way of voting rights legislation. Her self-proclaimed alignment is irrelevant after such a betrayal. Let's not over-analyze it when she's already demonstrated clearly that her true allegiance is not to the American people.\nDemocrats should run someone against her. Even if a Republican wins, at least Sinema loses, and we can move forward toward getting a good candidate in place.",
">\n\nThe “curtesy” with her “forever 21” lil knapsack to shoot down minimum wage increase. Makes my blood boil to this day. I was “owned”.",
">\n\nI used to believe Independents were necessary, but then the Trump era came and I realized, all the GOP is homogeneous (and borderline fascist) yet the Dems have a party tent so big that Manchin and AOC fit in it.\nWhen one side is diverse and inclusive, and the otherside is fascist, it shouldn’t even be a choice",
">\n\nThe DNC is about as diverse and inclusive as a Auburn University sorority.",
">\n\nHow do you figure?",
">\n\nThey want people who tow the party line.",
">\n\nHow does that relate at all to your first comment?",
">\n\nDiversity of ideas and ideologies.",
">\n\nI don't see how that lead you to the conclusion you drew, and don't feel like it reflects reality.",
">\n\nSinema is an opportunist. Look to Senator Angus King for what an independent politician looks like. All cattle and no hat...",
">\n\nDoes it seem to anyone that somebody paid her to pretend she was a Democrat?",
">\n\nI thought that was widely assumed. Her votes were so contrarian to anything remotely progressive, there’s just no other explanation. But if that is the case, what’s to be done? And what’s to be done in the future when it happens again?",
">\n\nTried to tell someone long ago that there’s no Independent in politics. Either you are voting mostly right or left. It is really vanity. A piece of mind that you are not like “them” you are “Independent “ it is a feel good label. The person I was talking to tried to tie it to money but no. You can be “Independent” and give or belong to a Party and not give. \nI toss “Independent” right up there with “free thinker”."
] |
>
Corporate puppets are not politically independent. | [
"A list of donors is worth more than anything that comes out their mouths",
">\n\nIKR? I've followed the money since high school debate team, for years assumed everyone did the same. You see, I just refused to give anyone the honor of my vote until I knew who was supporting them. At this point, all I have to do is open a list of donors and I know exactly what someone is about. I know the nicer kind of people, the crooks, the predators, the miscreants from previous episodes of the same old thing, but mostly I can tell whether they are truly what they say they are. This one isn't what they say she is.",
">\n\nShe stood in the way of voting rights legislation. Her self-proclaimed alignment is irrelevant after such a betrayal. Let's not over-analyze it when she's already demonstrated clearly that her true allegiance is not to the American people.\nDemocrats should run someone against her. Even if a Republican wins, at least Sinema loses, and we can move forward toward getting a good candidate in place.",
">\n\nThe “curtesy” with her “forever 21” lil knapsack to shoot down minimum wage increase. Makes my blood boil to this day. I was “owned”.",
">\n\nI used to believe Independents were necessary, but then the Trump era came and I realized, all the GOP is homogeneous (and borderline fascist) yet the Dems have a party tent so big that Manchin and AOC fit in it.\nWhen one side is diverse and inclusive, and the otherside is fascist, it shouldn’t even be a choice",
">\n\nThe DNC is about as diverse and inclusive as a Auburn University sorority.",
">\n\nHow do you figure?",
">\n\nThey want people who tow the party line.",
">\n\nHow does that relate at all to your first comment?",
">\n\nDiversity of ideas and ideologies.",
">\n\nI don't see how that lead you to the conclusion you drew, and don't feel like it reflects reality.",
">\n\nSinema is an opportunist. Look to Senator Angus King for what an independent politician looks like. All cattle and no hat...",
">\n\nDoes it seem to anyone that somebody paid her to pretend she was a Democrat?",
">\n\nI thought that was widely assumed. Her votes were so contrarian to anything remotely progressive, there’s just no other explanation. But if that is the case, what’s to be done? And what’s to be done in the future when it happens again?",
">\n\nTried to tell someone long ago that there’s no Independent in politics. Either you are voting mostly right or left. It is really vanity. A piece of mind that you are not like “them” you are “Independent “ it is a feel good label. The person I was talking to tried to tie it to money but no. You can be “Independent” and give or belong to a Party and not give. \nI toss “Independent” right up there with “free thinker”.",
">\n\nThis I agree with and it needs to be smashed into people's skulls like a bag of hammers when they spew rhetorical complaints about the two party system of the country being to blame for the country's polarization.\nThere are valid arguments against two party electoral systems and they never seem to be able to articulate any of them which means they're screaming noise into the void in bad faith themselves, it's just another version of 'both sides are the same'.\nAnyone with a complaint about a 'two party system' or that there aren't more and different flavors of political party to force a coalition government isn't actually aware that at minimum it doesn't change a thing, and at worst shit like Brexit can still happen.\nThere's only two possible answers when someone complains about a two-party system in the USA:\n1) They are using it as shorthand to advocate ranked choice voting, outlaw first-past-the-post, revoke and codify Citizens United to put severe regulatory limits on corporate donations/lobbying, and dismantle gerrymandering. In the extreme it would be the breakup and divestiture of Fox News and Sinclair Broadcasting.\n2) They're spewing feel-good rhetoric to make being a lazy freeloader come off as a above-the-fray holier-than-thou debate reasoning and sulky they aren't taken seriously enough to peel more votes for their particular viewpoint to twist the arms of the established political parties.\nThere are no other plausible reasonings unless it's an electoral historian informed as to how the two party system came into play despite the founders' warnings and the exact lists of pros and cons. Only then can you have an informed debate about the possibility and likelihood of a constitutional convention to break up the Democratic Party and GOP to force coalition governance, and why."
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Political independent seems similar to the ideal of Libertarian- the reality is politics is the art of compromise, if one will not compromise at all, they become irrelevant. In Sinema’s case, she herself is compromised due to her corporate backing. Her “independence “ is just her looking out for herself financially, period. No moral compass, no sense of stepping up and achieving for the greater good, just plain old greed and trying to protect her position. | [
"A list of donors is worth more than anything that comes out their mouths",
">\n\nIKR? I've followed the money since high school debate team, for years assumed everyone did the same. You see, I just refused to give anyone the honor of my vote until I knew who was supporting them. At this point, all I have to do is open a list of donors and I know exactly what someone is about. I know the nicer kind of people, the crooks, the predators, the miscreants from previous episodes of the same old thing, but mostly I can tell whether they are truly what they say they are. This one isn't what they say she is.",
">\n\nShe stood in the way of voting rights legislation. Her self-proclaimed alignment is irrelevant after such a betrayal. Let's not over-analyze it when she's already demonstrated clearly that her true allegiance is not to the American people.\nDemocrats should run someone against her. Even if a Republican wins, at least Sinema loses, and we can move forward toward getting a good candidate in place.",
">\n\nThe “curtesy” with her “forever 21” lil knapsack to shoot down minimum wage increase. Makes my blood boil to this day. I was “owned”.",
">\n\nI used to believe Independents were necessary, but then the Trump era came and I realized, all the GOP is homogeneous (and borderline fascist) yet the Dems have a party tent so big that Manchin and AOC fit in it.\nWhen one side is diverse and inclusive, and the otherside is fascist, it shouldn’t even be a choice",
">\n\nThe DNC is about as diverse and inclusive as a Auburn University sorority.",
">\n\nHow do you figure?",
">\n\nThey want people who tow the party line.",
">\n\nHow does that relate at all to your first comment?",
">\n\nDiversity of ideas and ideologies.",
">\n\nI don't see how that lead you to the conclusion you drew, and don't feel like it reflects reality.",
">\n\nSinema is an opportunist. Look to Senator Angus King for what an independent politician looks like. All cattle and no hat...",
">\n\nDoes it seem to anyone that somebody paid her to pretend she was a Democrat?",
">\n\nI thought that was widely assumed. Her votes were so contrarian to anything remotely progressive, there’s just no other explanation. But if that is the case, what’s to be done? And what’s to be done in the future when it happens again?",
">\n\nTried to tell someone long ago that there’s no Independent in politics. Either you are voting mostly right or left. It is really vanity. A piece of mind that you are not like “them” you are “Independent “ it is a feel good label. The person I was talking to tried to tie it to money but no. You can be “Independent” and give or belong to a Party and not give. \nI toss “Independent” right up there with “free thinker”.",
">\n\nThis I agree with and it needs to be smashed into people's skulls like a bag of hammers when they spew rhetorical complaints about the two party system of the country being to blame for the country's polarization.\nThere are valid arguments against two party electoral systems and they never seem to be able to articulate any of them which means they're screaming noise into the void in bad faith themselves, it's just another version of 'both sides are the same'.\nAnyone with a complaint about a 'two party system' or that there aren't more and different flavors of political party to force a coalition government isn't actually aware that at minimum it doesn't change a thing, and at worst shit like Brexit can still happen.\nThere's only two possible answers when someone complains about a two-party system in the USA:\n1) They are using it as shorthand to advocate ranked choice voting, outlaw first-past-the-post, revoke and codify Citizens United to put severe regulatory limits on corporate donations/lobbying, and dismantle gerrymandering. In the extreme it would be the breakup and divestiture of Fox News and Sinclair Broadcasting.\n2) They're spewing feel-good rhetoric to make being a lazy freeloader come off as a above-the-fray holier-than-thou debate reasoning and sulky they aren't taken seriously enough to peel more votes for their particular viewpoint to twist the arms of the established political parties.\nThere are no other plausible reasonings unless it's an electoral historian informed as to how the two party system came into play despite the founders' warnings and the exact lists of pros and cons. Only then can you have an informed debate about the possibility and likelihood of a constitutional convention to break up the Democratic Party and GOP to force coalition governance, and why.",
">\n\nCorporate puppets are not politically independent."
] |
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That's a pretty grim take. It's equally accurate to say that her policy goals (as a manifestation of the will of her constituents) aren't perfectly represented by either party. So she's setting herself up to work freely with both major voting blocks.
If politics is the art of compromise, we shouldn't be celebrating intransigent party loyalty. | [
"A list of donors is worth more than anything that comes out their mouths",
">\n\nIKR? I've followed the money since high school debate team, for years assumed everyone did the same. You see, I just refused to give anyone the honor of my vote until I knew who was supporting them. At this point, all I have to do is open a list of donors and I know exactly what someone is about. I know the nicer kind of people, the crooks, the predators, the miscreants from previous episodes of the same old thing, but mostly I can tell whether they are truly what they say they are. This one isn't what they say she is.",
">\n\nShe stood in the way of voting rights legislation. Her self-proclaimed alignment is irrelevant after such a betrayal. Let's not over-analyze it when she's already demonstrated clearly that her true allegiance is not to the American people.\nDemocrats should run someone against her. Even if a Republican wins, at least Sinema loses, and we can move forward toward getting a good candidate in place.",
">\n\nThe “curtesy” with her “forever 21” lil knapsack to shoot down minimum wage increase. Makes my blood boil to this day. I was “owned”.",
">\n\nI used to believe Independents were necessary, but then the Trump era came and I realized, all the GOP is homogeneous (and borderline fascist) yet the Dems have a party tent so big that Manchin and AOC fit in it.\nWhen one side is diverse and inclusive, and the otherside is fascist, it shouldn’t even be a choice",
">\n\nThe DNC is about as diverse and inclusive as a Auburn University sorority.",
">\n\nHow do you figure?",
">\n\nThey want people who tow the party line.",
">\n\nHow does that relate at all to your first comment?",
">\n\nDiversity of ideas and ideologies.",
">\n\nI don't see how that lead you to the conclusion you drew, and don't feel like it reflects reality.",
">\n\nSinema is an opportunist. Look to Senator Angus King for what an independent politician looks like. All cattle and no hat...",
">\n\nDoes it seem to anyone that somebody paid her to pretend she was a Democrat?",
">\n\nI thought that was widely assumed. Her votes were so contrarian to anything remotely progressive, there’s just no other explanation. But if that is the case, what’s to be done? And what’s to be done in the future when it happens again?",
">\n\nTried to tell someone long ago that there’s no Independent in politics. Either you are voting mostly right or left. It is really vanity. A piece of mind that you are not like “them” you are “Independent “ it is a feel good label. The person I was talking to tried to tie it to money but no. You can be “Independent” and give or belong to a Party and not give. \nI toss “Independent” right up there with “free thinker”.",
">\n\nThis I agree with and it needs to be smashed into people's skulls like a bag of hammers when they spew rhetorical complaints about the two party system of the country being to blame for the country's polarization.\nThere are valid arguments against two party electoral systems and they never seem to be able to articulate any of them which means they're screaming noise into the void in bad faith themselves, it's just another version of 'both sides are the same'.\nAnyone with a complaint about a 'two party system' or that there aren't more and different flavors of political party to force a coalition government isn't actually aware that at minimum it doesn't change a thing, and at worst shit like Brexit can still happen.\nThere's only two possible answers when someone complains about a two-party system in the USA:\n1) They are using it as shorthand to advocate ranked choice voting, outlaw first-past-the-post, revoke and codify Citizens United to put severe regulatory limits on corporate donations/lobbying, and dismantle gerrymandering. In the extreme it would be the breakup and divestiture of Fox News and Sinclair Broadcasting.\n2) They're spewing feel-good rhetoric to make being a lazy freeloader come off as a above-the-fray holier-than-thou debate reasoning and sulky they aren't taken seriously enough to peel more votes for their particular viewpoint to twist the arms of the established political parties.\nThere are no other plausible reasonings unless it's an electoral historian informed as to how the two party system came into play despite the founders' warnings and the exact lists of pros and cons. Only then can you have an informed debate about the possibility and likelihood of a constitutional convention to break up the Democratic Party and GOP to force coalition governance, and why.",
">\n\nCorporate puppets are not politically independent.",
">\n\nPolitical independent seems similar to the ideal of Libertarian- the reality is politics is the art of compromise, if one will not compromise at all, they become irrelevant. In Sinema’s case, she herself is compromised due to her corporate backing. Her “independence “ is just her looking out for herself financially, period. No moral compass, no sense of stepping up and achieving for the greater good, just plain old greed and trying to protect her position."
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If her real goal is to work “with both sides”, her party affiliation wouldn’t matter, she only changed her party affiliation to attempt to stave off a primary challenge by an actual Democrat, and her only reason to stay in office is to continue the grift. | [
"A list of donors is worth more than anything that comes out their mouths",
">\n\nIKR? I've followed the money since high school debate team, for years assumed everyone did the same. You see, I just refused to give anyone the honor of my vote until I knew who was supporting them. At this point, all I have to do is open a list of donors and I know exactly what someone is about. I know the nicer kind of people, the crooks, the predators, the miscreants from previous episodes of the same old thing, but mostly I can tell whether they are truly what they say they are. This one isn't what they say she is.",
">\n\nShe stood in the way of voting rights legislation. Her self-proclaimed alignment is irrelevant after such a betrayal. Let's not over-analyze it when she's already demonstrated clearly that her true allegiance is not to the American people.\nDemocrats should run someone against her. Even if a Republican wins, at least Sinema loses, and we can move forward toward getting a good candidate in place.",
">\n\nThe “curtesy” with her “forever 21” lil knapsack to shoot down minimum wage increase. Makes my blood boil to this day. I was “owned”.",
">\n\nI used to believe Independents were necessary, but then the Trump era came and I realized, all the GOP is homogeneous (and borderline fascist) yet the Dems have a party tent so big that Manchin and AOC fit in it.\nWhen one side is diverse and inclusive, and the otherside is fascist, it shouldn’t even be a choice",
">\n\nThe DNC is about as diverse and inclusive as a Auburn University sorority.",
">\n\nHow do you figure?",
">\n\nThey want people who tow the party line.",
">\n\nHow does that relate at all to your first comment?",
">\n\nDiversity of ideas and ideologies.",
">\n\nI don't see how that lead you to the conclusion you drew, and don't feel like it reflects reality.",
">\n\nSinema is an opportunist. Look to Senator Angus King for what an independent politician looks like. All cattle and no hat...",
">\n\nDoes it seem to anyone that somebody paid her to pretend she was a Democrat?",
">\n\nI thought that was widely assumed. Her votes were so contrarian to anything remotely progressive, there’s just no other explanation. But if that is the case, what’s to be done? And what’s to be done in the future when it happens again?",
">\n\nTried to tell someone long ago that there’s no Independent in politics. Either you are voting mostly right or left. It is really vanity. A piece of mind that you are not like “them” you are “Independent “ it is a feel good label. The person I was talking to tried to tie it to money but no. You can be “Independent” and give or belong to a Party and not give. \nI toss “Independent” right up there with “free thinker”.",
">\n\nThis I agree with and it needs to be smashed into people's skulls like a bag of hammers when they spew rhetorical complaints about the two party system of the country being to blame for the country's polarization.\nThere are valid arguments against two party electoral systems and they never seem to be able to articulate any of them which means they're screaming noise into the void in bad faith themselves, it's just another version of 'both sides are the same'.\nAnyone with a complaint about a 'two party system' or that there aren't more and different flavors of political party to force a coalition government isn't actually aware that at minimum it doesn't change a thing, and at worst shit like Brexit can still happen.\nThere's only two possible answers when someone complains about a two-party system in the USA:\n1) They are using it as shorthand to advocate ranked choice voting, outlaw first-past-the-post, revoke and codify Citizens United to put severe regulatory limits on corporate donations/lobbying, and dismantle gerrymandering. In the extreme it would be the breakup and divestiture of Fox News and Sinclair Broadcasting.\n2) They're spewing feel-good rhetoric to make being a lazy freeloader come off as a above-the-fray holier-than-thou debate reasoning and sulky they aren't taken seriously enough to peel more votes for their particular viewpoint to twist the arms of the established political parties.\nThere are no other plausible reasonings unless it's an electoral historian informed as to how the two party system came into play despite the founders' warnings and the exact lists of pros and cons. Only then can you have an informed debate about the possibility and likelihood of a constitutional convention to break up the Democratic Party and GOP to force coalition governance, and why.",
">\n\nCorporate puppets are not politically independent.",
">\n\nPolitical independent seems similar to the ideal of Libertarian- the reality is politics is the art of compromise, if one will not compromise at all, they become irrelevant. In Sinema’s case, she herself is compromised due to her corporate backing. Her “independence “ is just her looking out for herself financially, period. No moral compass, no sense of stepping up and achieving for the greater good, just plain old greed and trying to protect her position.",
">\n\nThat's a pretty grim take. It's equally accurate to say that her policy goals (as a manifestation of the will of her constituents) aren't perfectly represented by either party. So she's setting herself up to work freely with both major voting blocks. \nIf politics is the art of compromise, we shouldn't be celebrating intransigent party loyalty."
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This seems like a pretty shit article.
True independence in our partisan system is a fantasy. Like the two other independent senators, Sinema will continue to vote almost entirely like a Democrat.
It could have ended with this right here. She has been voting almost entirely like a Democrat the entire time and removing the (D) for an (I) doesn't change anything besides removing herself from the primary system in Arizona. | [
"A list of donors is worth more than anything that comes out their mouths",
">\n\nIKR? I've followed the money since high school debate team, for years assumed everyone did the same. You see, I just refused to give anyone the honor of my vote until I knew who was supporting them. At this point, all I have to do is open a list of donors and I know exactly what someone is about. I know the nicer kind of people, the crooks, the predators, the miscreants from previous episodes of the same old thing, but mostly I can tell whether they are truly what they say they are. This one isn't what they say she is.",
">\n\nShe stood in the way of voting rights legislation. Her self-proclaimed alignment is irrelevant after such a betrayal. Let's not over-analyze it when she's already demonstrated clearly that her true allegiance is not to the American people.\nDemocrats should run someone against her. Even if a Republican wins, at least Sinema loses, and we can move forward toward getting a good candidate in place.",
">\n\nThe “curtesy” with her “forever 21” lil knapsack to shoot down minimum wage increase. Makes my blood boil to this day. I was “owned”.",
">\n\nI used to believe Independents were necessary, but then the Trump era came and I realized, all the GOP is homogeneous (and borderline fascist) yet the Dems have a party tent so big that Manchin and AOC fit in it.\nWhen one side is diverse and inclusive, and the otherside is fascist, it shouldn’t even be a choice",
">\n\nThe DNC is about as diverse and inclusive as a Auburn University sorority.",
">\n\nHow do you figure?",
">\n\nThey want people who tow the party line.",
">\n\nHow does that relate at all to your first comment?",
">\n\nDiversity of ideas and ideologies.",
">\n\nI don't see how that lead you to the conclusion you drew, and don't feel like it reflects reality.",
">\n\nSinema is an opportunist. Look to Senator Angus King for what an independent politician looks like. All cattle and no hat...",
">\n\nDoes it seem to anyone that somebody paid her to pretend she was a Democrat?",
">\n\nI thought that was widely assumed. Her votes were so contrarian to anything remotely progressive, there’s just no other explanation. But if that is the case, what’s to be done? And what’s to be done in the future when it happens again?",
">\n\nTried to tell someone long ago that there’s no Independent in politics. Either you are voting mostly right or left. It is really vanity. A piece of mind that you are not like “them” you are “Independent “ it is a feel good label. The person I was talking to tried to tie it to money but no. You can be “Independent” and give or belong to a Party and not give. \nI toss “Independent” right up there with “free thinker”.",
">\n\nThis I agree with and it needs to be smashed into people's skulls like a bag of hammers when they spew rhetorical complaints about the two party system of the country being to blame for the country's polarization.\nThere are valid arguments against two party electoral systems and they never seem to be able to articulate any of them which means they're screaming noise into the void in bad faith themselves, it's just another version of 'both sides are the same'.\nAnyone with a complaint about a 'two party system' or that there aren't more and different flavors of political party to force a coalition government isn't actually aware that at minimum it doesn't change a thing, and at worst shit like Brexit can still happen.\nThere's only two possible answers when someone complains about a two-party system in the USA:\n1) They are using it as shorthand to advocate ranked choice voting, outlaw first-past-the-post, revoke and codify Citizens United to put severe regulatory limits on corporate donations/lobbying, and dismantle gerrymandering. In the extreme it would be the breakup and divestiture of Fox News and Sinclair Broadcasting.\n2) They're spewing feel-good rhetoric to make being a lazy freeloader come off as a above-the-fray holier-than-thou debate reasoning and sulky they aren't taken seriously enough to peel more votes for their particular viewpoint to twist the arms of the established political parties.\nThere are no other plausible reasonings unless it's an electoral historian informed as to how the two party system came into play despite the founders' warnings and the exact lists of pros and cons. Only then can you have an informed debate about the possibility and likelihood of a constitutional convention to break up the Democratic Party and GOP to force coalition governance, and why.",
">\n\nCorporate puppets are not politically independent.",
">\n\nPolitical independent seems similar to the ideal of Libertarian- the reality is politics is the art of compromise, if one will not compromise at all, they become irrelevant. In Sinema’s case, she herself is compromised due to her corporate backing. Her “independence “ is just her looking out for herself financially, period. No moral compass, no sense of stepping up and achieving for the greater good, just plain old greed and trying to protect her position.",
">\n\nThat's a pretty grim take. It's equally accurate to say that her policy goals (as a manifestation of the will of her constituents) aren't perfectly represented by either party. So she's setting herself up to work freely with both major voting blocks. \nIf politics is the art of compromise, we shouldn't be celebrating intransigent party loyalty.",
">\n\nIf her real goal is to work “with both sides”, her party affiliation wouldn’t matter, she only changed her party affiliation to attempt to stave off a primary challenge by an actual Democrat, and her only reason to stay in office is to continue the grift."
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Sure it does. It gives her a much bigger pool of bidders when she auctions off her Senate votes. Lots of single issue organizations and lots of billionaire donors won't be associated with an openly gay radical Democrat, but a "centrist independent" who is a "bi-partisan problem solver" is a much easier thing to finesse. | [
"A list of donors is worth more than anything that comes out their mouths",
">\n\nIKR? I've followed the money since high school debate team, for years assumed everyone did the same. You see, I just refused to give anyone the honor of my vote until I knew who was supporting them. At this point, all I have to do is open a list of donors and I know exactly what someone is about. I know the nicer kind of people, the crooks, the predators, the miscreants from previous episodes of the same old thing, but mostly I can tell whether they are truly what they say they are. This one isn't what they say she is.",
">\n\nShe stood in the way of voting rights legislation. Her self-proclaimed alignment is irrelevant after such a betrayal. Let's not over-analyze it when she's already demonstrated clearly that her true allegiance is not to the American people.\nDemocrats should run someone against her. Even if a Republican wins, at least Sinema loses, and we can move forward toward getting a good candidate in place.",
">\n\nThe “curtesy” with her “forever 21” lil knapsack to shoot down minimum wage increase. Makes my blood boil to this day. I was “owned”.",
">\n\nI used to believe Independents were necessary, but then the Trump era came and I realized, all the GOP is homogeneous (and borderline fascist) yet the Dems have a party tent so big that Manchin and AOC fit in it.\nWhen one side is diverse and inclusive, and the otherside is fascist, it shouldn’t even be a choice",
">\n\nThe DNC is about as diverse and inclusive as a Auburn University sorority.",
">\n\nHow do you figure?",
">\n\nThey want people who tow the party line.",
">\n\nHow does that relate at all to your first comment?",
">\n\nDiversity of ideas and ideologies.",
">\n\nI don't see how that lead you to the conclusion you drew, and don't feel like it reflects reality.",
">\n\nSinema is an opportunist. Look to Senator Angus King for what an independent politician looks like. All cattle and no hat...",
">\n\nDoes it seem to anyone that somebody paid her to pretend she was a Democrat?",
">\n\nI thought that was widely assumed. Her votes were so contrarian to anything remotely progressive, there’s just no other explanation. But if that is the case, what’s to be done? And what’s to be done in the future when it happens again?",
">\n\nTried to tell someone long ago that there’s no Independent in politics. Either you are voting mostly right or left. It is really vanity. A piece of mind that you are not like “them” you are “Independent “ it is a feel good label. The person I was talking to tried to tie it to money but no. You can be “Independent” and give or belong to a Party and not give. \nI toss “Independent” right up there with “free thinker”.",
">\n\nThis I agree with and it needs to be smashed into people's skulls like a bag of hammers when they spew rhetorical complaints about the two party system of the country being to blame for the country's polarization.\nThere are valid arguments against two party electoral systems and they never seem to be able to articulate any of them which means they're screaming noise into the void in bad faith themselves, it's just another version of 'both sides are the same'.\nAnyone with a complaint about a 'two party system' or that there aren't more and different flavors of political party to force a coalition government isn't actually aware that at minimum it doesn't change a thing, and at worst shit like Brexit can still happen.\nThere's only two possible answers when someone complains about a two-party system in the USA:\n1) They are using it as shorthand to advocate ranked choice voting, outlaw first-past-the-post, revoke and codify Citizens United to put severe regulatory limits on corporate donations/lobbying, and dismantle gerrymandering. In the extreme it would be the breakup and divestiture of Fox News and Sinclair Broadcasting.\n2) They're spewing feel-good rhetoric to make being a lazy freeloader come off as a above-the-fray holier-than-thou debate reasoning and sulky they aren't taken seriously enough to peel more votes for their particular viewpoint to twist the arms of the established political parties.\nThere are no other plausible reasonings unless it's an electoral historian informed as to how the two party system came into play despite the founders' warnings and the exact lists of pros and cons. Only then can you have an informed debate about the possibility and likelihood of a constitutional convention to break up the Democratic Party and GOP to force coalition governance, and why.",
">\n\nCorporate puppets are not politically independent.",
">\n\nPolitical independent seems similar to the ideal of Libertarian- the reality is politics is the art of compromise, if one will not compromise at all, they become irrelevant. In Sinema’s case, she herself is compromised due to her corporate backing. Her “independence “ is just her looking out for herself financially, period. No moral compass, no sense of stepping up and achieving for the greater good, just plain old greed and trying to protect her position.",
">\n\nThat's a pretty grim take. It's equally accurate to say that her policy goals (as a manifestation of the will of her constituents) aren't perfectly represented by either party. So she's setting herself up to work freely with both major voting blocks. \nIf politics is the art of compromise, we shouldn't be celebrating intransigent party loyalty.",
">\n\nIf her real goal is to work “with both sides”, her party affiliation wouldn’t matter, she only changed her party affiliation to attempt to stave off a primary challenge by an actual Democrat, and her only reason to stay in office is to continue the grift.",
">\n\nThis seems like a pretty shit article. \n\nTrue independence in our partisan system is a fantasy. Like the two other independent senators, Sinema will continue to vote almost entirely like a Democrat. \n\nIt could have ended with this right here. She has been voting almost entirely like a Democrat the entire time and removing the (D) for an (I) doesn't change anything besides removing herself from the primary system in Arizona."
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Kirsten Sinema. Obviously one of the best that money can buy. | [
"A list of donors is worth more than anything that comes out their mouths",
">\n\nIKR? I've followed the money since high school debate team, for years assumed everyone did the same. You see, I just refused to give anyone the honor of my vote until I knew who was supporting them. At this point, all I have to do is open a list of donors and I know exactly what someone is about. I know the nicer kind of people, the crooks, the predators, the miscreants from previous episodes of the same old thing, but mostly I can tell whether they are truly what they say they are. This one isn't what they say she is.",
">\n\nShe stood in the way of voting rights legislation. Her self-proclaimed alignment is irrelevant after such a betrayal. Let's not over-analyze it when she's already demonstrated clearly that her true allegiance is not to the American people.\nDemocrats should run someone against her. Even if a Republican wins, at least Sinema loses, and we can move forward toward getting a good candidate in place.",
">\n\nThe “curtesy” with her “forever 21” lil knapsack to shoot down minimum wage increase. Makes my blood boil to this day. I was “owned”.",
">\n\nI used to believe Independents were necessary, but then the Trump era came and I realized, all the GOP is homogeneous (and borderline fascist) yet the Dems have a party tent so big that Manchin and AOC fit in it.\nWhen one side is diverse and inclusive, and the otherside is fascist, it shouldn’t even be a choice",
">\n\nThe DNC is about as diverse and inclusive as a Auburn University sorority.",
">\n\nHow do you figure?",
">\n\nThey want people who tow the party line.",
">\n\nHow does that relate at all to your first comment?",
">\n\nDiversity of ideas and ideologies.",
">\n\nI don't see how that lead you to the conclusion you drew, and don't feel like it reflects reality.",
">\n\nSinema is an opportunist. Look to Senator Angus King for what an independent politician looks like. All cattle and no hat...",
">\n\nDoes it seem to anyone that somebody paid her to pretend she was a Democrat?",
">\n\nI thought that was widely assumed. Her votes were so contrarian to anything remotely progressive, there’s just no other explanation. But if that is the case, what’s to be done? And what’s to be done in the future when it happens again?",
">\n\nTried to tell someone long ago that there’s no Independent in politics. Either you are voting mostly right or left. It is really vanity. A piece of mind that you are not like “them” you are “Independent “ it is a feel good label. The person I was talking to tried to tie it to money but no. You can be “Independent” and give or belong to a Party and not give. \nI toss “Independent” right up there with “free thinker”.",
">\n\nThis I agree with and it needs to be smashed into people's skulls like a bag of hammers when they spew rhetorical complaints about the two party system of the country being to blame for the country's polarization.\nThere are valid arguments against two party electoral systems and they never seem to be able to articulate any of them which means they're screaming noise into the void in bad faith themselves, it's just another version of 'both sides are the same'.\nAnyone with a complaint about a 'two party system' or that there aren't more and different flavors of political party to force a coalition government isn't actually aware that at minimum it doesn't change a thing, and at worst shit like Brexit can still happen.\nThere's only two possible answers when someone complains about a two-party system in the USA:\n1) They are using it as shorthand to advocate ranked choice voting, outlaw first-past-the-post, revoke and codify Citizens United to put severe regulatory limits on corporate donations/lobbying, and dismantle gerrymandering. In the extreme it would be the breakup and divestiture of Fox News and Sinclair Broadcasting.\n2) They're spewing feel-good rhetoric to make being a lazy freeloader come off as a above-the-fray holier-than-thou debate reasoning and sulky they aren't taken seriously enough to peel more votes for their particular viewpoint to twist the arms of the established political parties.\nThere are no other plausible reasonings unless it's an electoral historian informed as to how the two party system came into play despite the founders' warnings and the exact lists of pros and cons. Only then can you have an informed debate about the possibility and likelihood of a constitutional convention to break up the Democratic Party and GOP to force coalition governance, and why.",
">\n\nCorporate puppets are not politically independent.",
">\n\nPolitical independent seems similar to the ideal of Libertarian- the reality is politics is the art of compromise, if one will not compromise at all, they become irrelevant. In Sinema’s case, she herself is compromised due to her corporate backing. Her “independence “ is just her looking out for herself financially, period. No moral compass, no sense of stepping up and achieving for the greater good, just plain old greed and trying to protect her position.",
">\n\nThat's a pretty grim take. It's equally accurate to say that her policy goals (as a manifestation of the will of her constituents) aren't perfectly represented by either party. So she's setting herself up to work freely with both major voting blocks. \nIf politics is the art of compromise, we shouldn't be celebrating intransigent party loyalty.",
">\n\nIf her real goal is to work “with both sides”, her party affiliation wouldn’t matter, she only changed her party affiliation to attempt to stave off a primary challenge by an actual Democrat, and her only reason to stay in office is to continue the grift.",
">\n\nThis seems like a pretty shit article. \n\nTrue independence in our partisan system is a fantasy. Like the two other independent senators, Sinema will continue to vote almost entirely like a Democrat. \n\nIt could have ended with this right here. She has been voting almost entirely like a Democrat the entire time and removing the (D) for an (I) doesn't change anything besides removing herself from the primary system in Arizona.",
">\n\nSure it does. It gives her a much bigger pool of bidders when she auctions off her Senate votes. Lots of single issue organizations and lots of billionaire donors won't be associated with an openly gay radical Democrat, but a \"centrist independent\" who is a \"bi-partisan problem solver\" is a much easier thing to finesse."
] |
>
She's an independent sellout. | [
"A list of donors is worth more than anything that comes out their mouths",
">\n\nIKR? I've followed the money since high school debate team, for years assumed everyone did the same. You see, I just refused to give anyone the honor of my vote until I knew who was supporting them. At this point, all I have to do is open a list of donors and I know exactly what someone is about. I know the nicer kind of people, the crooks, the predators, the miscreants from previous episodes of the same old thing, but mostly I can tell whether they are truly what they say they are. This one isn't what they say she is.",
">\n\nShe stood in the way of voting rights legislation. Her self-proclaimed alignment is irrelevant after such a betrayal. Let's not over-analyze it when she's already demonstrated clearly that her true allegiance is not to the American people.\nDemocrats should run someone against her. Even if a Republican wins, at least Sinema loses, and we can move forward toward getting a good candidate in place.",
">\n\nThe “curtesy” with her “forever 21” lil knapsack to shoot down minimum wage increase. Makes my blood boil to this day. I was “owned”.",
">\n\nI used to believe Independents were necessary, but then the Trump era came and I realized, all the GOP is homogeneous (and borderline fascist) yet the Dems have a party tent so big that Manchin and AOC fit in it.\nWhen one side is diverse and inclusive, and the otherside is fascist, it shouldn’t even be a choice",
">\n\nThe DNC is about as diverse and inclusive as a Auburn University sorority.",
">\n\nHow do you figure?",
">\n\nThey want people who tow the party line.",
">\n\nHow does that relate at all to your first comment?",
">\n\nDiversity of ideas and ideologies.",
">\n\nI don't see how that lead you to the conclusion you drew, and don't feel like it reflects reality.",
">\n\nSinema is an opportunist. Look to Senator Angus King for what an independent politician looks like. All cattle and no hat...",
">\n\nDoes it seem to anyone that somebody paid her to pretend she was a Democrat?",
">\n\nI thought that was widely assumed. Her votes were so contrarian to anything remotely progressive, there’s just no other explanation. But if that is the case, what’s to be done? And what’s to be done in the future when it happens again?",
">\n\nTried to tell someone long ago that there’s no Independent in politics. Either you are voting mostly right or left. It is really vanity. A piece of mind that you are not like “them” you are “Independent “ it is a feel good label. The person I was talking to tried to tie it to money but no. You can be “Independent” and give or belong to a Party and not give. \nI toss “Independent” right up there with “free thinker”.",
">\n\nThis I agree with and it needs to be smashed into people's skulls like a bag of hammers when they spew rhetorical complaints about the two party system of the country being to blame for the country's polarization.\nThere are valid arguments against two party electoral systems and they never seem to be able to articulate any of them which means they're screaming noise into the void in bad faith themselves, it's just another version of 'both sides are the same'.\nAnyone with a complaint about a 'two party system' or that there aren't more and different flavors of political party to force a coalition government isn't actually aware that at minimum it doesn't change a thing, and at worst shit like Brexit can still happen.\nThere's only two possible answers when someone complains about a two-party system in the USA:\n1) They are using it as shorthand to advocate ranked choice voting, outlaw first-past-the-post, revoke and codify Citizens United to put severe regulatory limits on corporate donations/lobbying, and dismantle gerrymandering. In the extreme it would be the breakup and divestiture of Fox News and Sinclair Broadcasting.\n2) They're spewing feel-good rhetoric to make being a lazy freeloader come off as a above-the-fray holier-than-thou debate reasoning and sulky they aren't taken seriously enough to peel more votes for their particular viewpoint to twist the arms of the established political parties.\nThere are no other plausible reasonings unless it's an electoral historian informed as to how the two party system came into play despite the founders' warnings and the exact lists of pros and cons. Only then can you have an informed debate about the possibility and likelihood of a constitutional convention to break up the Democratic Party and GOP to force coalition governance, and why.",
">\n\nCorporate puppets are not politically independent.",
">\n\nPolitical independent seems similar to the ideal of Libertarian- the reality is politics is the art of compromise, if one will not compromise at all, they become irrelevant. In Sinema’s case, she herself is compromised due to her corporate backing. Her “independence “ is just her looking out for herself financially, period. No moral compass, no sense of stepping up and achieving for the greater good, just plain old greed and trying to protect her position.",
">\n\nThat's a pretty grim take. It's equally accurate to say that her policy goals (as a manifestation of the will of her constituents) aren't perfectly represented by either party. So she's setting herself up to work freely with both major voting blocks. \nIf politics is the art of compromise, we shouldn't be celebrating intransigent party loyalty.",
">\n\nIf her real goal is to work “with both sides”, her party affiliation wouldn’t matter, she only changed her party affiliation to attempt to stave off a primary challenge by an actual Democrat, and her only reason to stay in office is to continue the grift.",
">\n\nThis seems like a pretty shit article. \n\nTrue independence in our partisan system is a fantasy. Like the two other independent senators, Sinema will continue to vote almost entirely like a Democrat. \n\nIt could have ended with this right here. She has been voting almost entirely like a Democrat the entire time and removing the (D) for an (I) doesn't change anything besides removing herself from the primary system in Arizona.",
">\n\nSure it does. It gives her a much bigger pool of bidders when she auctions off her Senate votes. Lots of single issue organizations and lots of billionaire donors won't be associated with an openly gay radical Democrat, but a \"centrist independent\" who is a \"bi-partisan problem solver\" is a much easier thing to finesse.",
">\n\nKirsten Sinema. Obviously one of the best that money can buy."
] |
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Sinema isn’t an independent, but a narcissist for sale to the highest bidder | [
"A list of donors is worth more than anything that comes out their mouths",
">\n\nIKR? I've followed the money since high school debate team, for years assumed everyone did the same. You see, I just refused to give anyone the honor of my vote until I knew who was supporting them. At this point, all I have to do is open a list of donors and I know exactly what someone is about. I know the nicer kind of people, the crooks, the predators, the miscreants from previous episodes of the same old thing, but mostly I can tell whether they are truly what they say they are. This one isn't what they say she is.",
">\n\nShe stood in the way of voting rights legislation. Her self-proclaimed alignment is irrelevant after such a betrayal. Let's not over-analyze it when she's already demonstrated clearly that her true allegiance is not to the American people.\nDemocrats should run someone against her. Even if a Republican wins, at least Sinema loses, and we can move forward toward getting a good candidate in place.",
">\n\nThe “curtesy” with her “forever 21” lil knapsack to shoot down minimum wage increase. Makes my blood boil to this day. I was “owned”.",
">\n\nI used to believe Independents were necessary, but then the Trump era came and I realized, all the GOP is homogeneous (and borderline fascist) yet the Dems have a party tent so big that Manchin and AOC fit in it.\nWhen one side is diverse and inclusive, and the otherside is fascist, it shouldn’t even be a choice",
">\n\nThe DNC is about as diverse and inclusive as a Auburn University sorority.",
">\n\nHow do you figure?",
">\n\nThey want people who tow the party line.",
">\n\nHow does that relate at all to your first comment?",
">\n\nDiversity of ideas and ideologies.",
">\n\nI don't see how that lead you to the conclusion you drew, and don't feel like it reflects reality.",
">\n\nSinema is an opportunist. Look to Senator Angus King for what an independent politician looks like. All cattle and no hat...",
">\n\nDoes it seem to anyone that somebody paid her to pretend she was a Democrat?",
">\n\nI thought that was widely assumed. Her votes were so contrarian to anything remotely progressive, there’s just no other explanation. But if that is the case, what’s to be done? And what’s to be done in the future when it happens again?",
">\n\nTried to tell someone long ago that there’s no Independent in politics. Either you are voting mostly right or left. It is really vanity. A piece of mind that you are not like “them” you are “Independent “ it is a feel good label. The person I was talking to tried to tie it to money but no. You can be “Independent” and give or belong to a Party and not give. \nI toss “Independent” right up there with “free thinker”.",
">\n\nThis I agree with and it needs to be smashed into people's skulls like a bag of hammers when they spew rhetorical complaints about the two party system of the country being to blame for the country's polarization.\nThere are valid arguments against two party electoral systems and they never seem to be able to articulate any of them which means they're screaming noise into the void in bad faith themselves, it's just another version of 'both sides are the same'.\nAnyone with a complaint about a 'two party system' or that there aren't more and different flavors of political party to force a coalition government isn't actually aware that at minimum it doesn't change a thing, and at worst shit like Brexit can still happen.\nThere's only two possible answers when someone complains about a two-party system in the USA:\n1) They are using it as shorthand to advocate ranked choice voting, outlaw first-past-the-post, revoke and codify Citizens United to put severe regulatory limits on corporate donations/lobbying, and dismantle gerrymandering. In the extreme it would be the breakup and divestiture of Fox News and Sinclair Broadcasting.\n2) They're spewing feel-good rhetoric to make being a lazy freeloader come off as a above-the-fray holier-than-thou debate reasoning and sulky they aren't taken seriously enough to peel more votes for their particular viewpoint to twist the arms of the established political parties.\nThere are no other plausible reasonings unless it's an electoral historian informed as to how the two party system came into play despite the founders' warnings and the exact lists of pros and cons. Only then can you have an informed debate about the possibility and likelihood of a constitutional convention to break up the Democratic Party and GOP to force coalition governance, and why.",
">\n\nCorporate puppets are not politically independent.",
">\n\nPolitical independent seems similar to the ideal of Libertarian- the reality is politics is the art of compromise, if one will not compromise at all, they become irrelevant. In Sinema’s case, she herself is compromised due to her corporate backing. Her “independence “ is just her looking out for herself financially, period. No moral compass, no sense of stepping up and achieving for the greater good, just plain old greed and trying to protect her position.",
">\n\nThat's a pretty grim take. It's equally accurate to say that her policy goals (as a manifestation of the will of her constituents) aren't perfectly represented by either party. So she's setting herself up to work freely with both major voting blocks. \nIf politics is the art of compromise, we shouldn't be celebrating intransigent party loyalty.",
">\n\nIf her real goal is to work “with both sides”, her party affiliation wouldn’t matter, she only changed her party affiliation to attempt to stave off a primary challenge by an actual Democrat, and her only reason to stay in office is to continue the grift.",
">\n\nThis seems like a pretty shit article. \n\nTrue independence in our partisan system is a fantasy. Like the two other independent senators, Sinema will continue to vote almost entirely like a Democrat. \n\nIt could have ended with this right here. She has been voting almost entirely like a Democrat the entire time and removing the (D) for an (I) doesn't change anything besides removing herself from the primary system in Arizona.",
">\n\nSure it does. It gives her a much bigger pool of bidders when she auctions off her Senate votes. Lots of single issue organizations and lots of billionaire donors won't be associated with an openly gay radical Democrat, but a \"centrist independent\" who is a \"bi-partisan problem solver\" is a much easier thing to finesse.",
">\n\nKirsten Sinema. Obviously one of the best that money can buy.",
">\n\nShe's an independent sellout."
] |
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Bernie is a Republican? Huh. | [
"A list of donors is worth more than anything that comes out their mouths",
">\n\nIKR? I've followed the money since high school debate team, for years assumed everyone did the same. You see, I just refused to give anyone the honor of my vote until I knew who was supporting them. At this point, all I have to do is open a list of donors and I know exactly what someone is about. I know the nicer kind of people, the crooks, the predators, the miscreants from previous episodes of the same old thing, but mostly I can tell whether they are truly what they say they are. This one isn't what they say she is.",
">\n\nShe stood in the way of voting rights legislation. Her self-proclaimed alignment is irrelevant after such a betrayal. Let's not over-analyze it when she's already demonstrated clearly that her true allegiance is not to the American people.\nDemocrats should run someone against her. Even if a Republican wins, at least Sinema loses, and we can move forward toward getting a good candidate in place.",
">\n\nThe “curtesy” with her “forever 21” lil knapsack to shoot down minimum wage increase. Makes my blood boil to this day. I was “owned”.",
">\n\nI used to believe Independents were necessary, but then the Trump era came and I realized, all the GOP is homogeneous (and borderline fascist) yet the Dems have a party tent so big that Manchin and AOC fit in it.\nWhen one side is diverse and inclusive, and the otherside is fascist, it shouldn’t even be a choice",
">\n\nThe DNC is about as diverse and inclusive as a Auburn University sorority.",
">\n\nHow do you figure?",
">\n\nThey want people who tow the party line.",
">\n\nHow does that relate at all to your first comment?",
">\n\nDiversity of ideas and ideologies.",
">\n\nI don't see how that lead you to the conclusion you drew, and don't feel like it reflects reality.",
">\n\nSinema is an opportunist. Look to Senator Angus King for what an independent politician looks like. All cattle and no hat...",
">\n\nDoes it seem to anyone that somebody paid her to pretend she was a Democrat?",
">\n\nI thought that was widely assumed. Her votes were so contrarian to anything remotely progressive, there’s just no other explanation. But if that is the case, what’s to be done? And what’s to be done in the future when it happens again?",
">\n\nTried to tell someone long ago that there’s no Independent in politics. Either you are voting mostly right or left. It is really vanity. A piece of mind that you are not like “them” you are “Independent “ it is a feel good label. The person I was talking to tried to tie it to money but no. You can be “Independent” and give or belong to a Party and not give. \nI toss “Independent” right up there with “free thinker”.",
">\n\nThis I agree with and it needs to be smashed into people's skulls like a bag of hammers when they spew rhetorical complaints about the two party system of the country being to blame for the country's polarization.\nThere are valid arguments against two party electoral systems and they never seem to be able to articulate any of them which means they're screaming noise into the void in bad faith themselves, it's just another version of 'both sides are the same'.\nAnyone with a complaint about a 'two party system' or that there aren't more and different flavors of political party to force a coalition government isn't actually aware that at minimum it doesn't change a thing, and at worst shit like Brexit can still happen.\nThere's only two possible answers when someone complains about a two-party system in the USA:\n1) They are using it as shorthand to advocate ranked choice voting, outlaw first-past-the-post, revoke and codify Citizens United to put severe regulatory limits on corporate donations/lobbying, and dismantle gerrymandering. In the extreme it would be the breakup and divestiture of Fox News and Sinclair Broadcasting.\n2) They're spewing feel-good rhetoric to make being a lazy freeloader come off as a above-the-fray holier-than-thou debate reasoning and sulky they aren't taken seriously enough to peel more votes for their particular viewpoint to twist the arms of the established political parties.\nThere are no other plausible reasonings unless it's an electoral historian informed as to how the two party system came into play despite the founders' warnings and the exact lists of pros and cons. Only then can you have an informed debate about the possibility and likelihood of a constitutional convention to break up the Democratic Party and GOP to force coalition governance, and why.",
">\n\nCorporate puppets are not politically independent.",
">\n\nPolitical independent seems similar to the ideal of Libertarian- the reality is politics is the art of compromise, if one will not compromise at all, they become irrelevant. In Sinema’s case, she herself is compromised due to her corporate backing. Her “independence “ is just her looking out for herself financially, period. No moral compass, no sense of stepping up and achieving for the greater good, just plain old greed and trying to protect her position.",
">\n\nThat's a pretty grim take. It's equally accurate to say that her policy goals (as a manifestation of the will of her constituents) aren't perfectly represented by either party. So she's setting herself up to work freely with both major voting blocks. \nIf politics is the art of compromise, we shouldn't be celebrating intransigent party loyalty.",
">\n\nIf her real goal is to work “with both sides”, her party affiliation wouldn’t matter, she only changed her party affiliation to attempt to stave off a primary challenge by an actual Democrat, and her only reason to stay in office is to continue the grift.",
">\n\nThis seems like a pretty shit article. \n\nTrue independence in our partisan system is a fantasy. Like the two other independent senators, Sinema will continue to vote almost entirely like a Democrat. \n\nIt could have ended with this right here. She has been voting almost entirely like a Democrat the entire time and removing the (D) for an (I) doesn't change anything besides removing herself from the primary system in Arizona.",
">\n\nSure it does. It gives her a much bigger pool of bidders when she auctions off her Senate votes. Lots of single issue organizations and lots of billionaire donors won't be associated with an openly gay radical Democrat, but a \"centrist independent\" who is a \"bi-partisan problem solver\" is a much easier thing to finesse.",
">\n\nKirsten Sinema. Obviously one of the best that money can buy.",
">\n\nShe's an independent sellout.",
">\n\nSinema isn’t an independent, but a narcissist for sale to the highest bidder"
] |
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King too apparently. I guess all the millions of people who hate both parties are all just really embarrassed Republicans. Yea that makes sense. | [
"A list of donors is worth more than anything that comes out their mouths",
">\n\nIKR? I've followed the money since high school debate team, for years assumed everyone did the same. You see, I just refused to give anyone the honor of my vote until I knew who was supporting them. At this point, all I have to do is open a list of donors and I know exactly what someone is about. I know the nicer kind of people, the crooks, the predators, the miscreants from previous episodes of the same old thing, but mostly I can tell whether they are truly what they say they are. This one isn't what they say she is.",
">\n\nShe stood in the way of voting rights legislation. Her self-proclaimed alignment is irrelevant after such a betrayal. Let's not over-analyze it when she's already demonstrated clearly that her true allegiance is not to the American people.\nDemocrats should run someone against her. Even if a Republican wins, at least Sinema loses, and we can move forward toward getting a good candidate in place.",
">\n\nThe “curtesy” with her “forever 21” lil knapsack to shoot down minimum wage increase. Makes my blood boil to this day. I was “owned”.",
">\n\nI used to believe Independents were necessary, but then the Trump era came and I realized, all the GOP is homogeneous (and borderline fascist) yet the Dems have a party tent so big that Manchin and AOC fit in it.\nWhen one side is diverse and inclusive, and the otherside is fascist, it shouldn’t even be a choice",
">\n\nThe DNC is about as diverse and inclusive as a Auburn University sorority.",
">\n\nHow do you figure?",
">\n\nThey want people who tow the party line.",
">\n\nHow does that relate at all to your first comment?",
">\n\nDiversity of ideas and ideologies.",
">\n\nI don't see how that lead you to the conclusion you drew, and don't feel like it reflects reality.",
">\n\nSinema is an opportunist. Look to Senator Angus King for what an independent politician looks like. All cattle and no hat...",
">\n\nDoes it seem to anyone that somebody paid her to pretend she was a Democrat?",
">\n\nI thought that was widely assumed. Her votes were so contrarian to anything remotely progressive, there’s just no other explanation. But if that is the case, what’s to be done? And what’s to be done in the future when it happens again?",
">\n\nTried to tell someone long ago that there’s no Independent in politics. Either you are voting mostly right or left. It is really vanity. A piece of mind that you are not like “them” you are “Independent “ it is a feel good label. The person I was talking to tried to tie it to money but no. You can be “Independent” and give or belong to a Party and not give. \nI toss “Independent” right up there with “free thinker”.",
">\n\nThis I agree with and it needs to be smashed into people's skulls like a bag of hammers when they spew rhetorical complaints about the two party system of the country being to blame for the country's polarization.\nThere are valid arguments against two party electoral systems and they never seem to be able to articulate any of them which means they're screaming noise into the void in bad faith themselves, it's just another version of 'both sides are the same'.\nAnyone with a complaint about a 'two party system' or that there aren't more and different flavors of political party to force a coalition government isn't actually aware that at minimum it doesn't change a thing, and at worst shit like Brexit can still happen.\nThere's only two possible answers when someone complains about a two-party system in the USA:\n1) They are using it as shorthand to advocate ranked choice voting, outlaw first-past-the-post, revoke and codify Citizens United to put severe regulatory limits on corporate donations/lobbying, and dismantle gerrymandering. In the extreme it would be the breakup and divestiture of Fox News and Sinclair Broadcasting.\n2) They're spewing feel-good rhetoric to make being a lazy freeloader come off as a above-the-fray holier-than-thou debate reasoning and sulky they aren't taken seriously enough to peel more votes for their particular viewpoint to twist the arms of the established political parties.\nThere are no other plausible reasonings unless it's an electoral historian informed as to how the two party system came into play despite the founders' warnings and the exact lists of pros and cons. Only then can you have an informed debate about the possibility and likelihood of a constitutional convention to break up the Democratic Party and GOP to force coalition governance, and why.",
">\n\nCorporate puppets are not politically independent.",
">\n\nPolitical independent seems similar to the ideal of Libertarian- the reality is politics is the art of compromise, if one will not compromise at all, they become irrelevant. In Sinema’s case, she herself is compromised due to her corporate backing. Her “independence “ is just her looking out for herself financially, period. No moral compass, no sense of stepping up and achieving for the greater good, just plain old greed and trying to protect her position.",
">\n\nThat's a pretty grim take. It's equally accurate to say that her policy goals (as a manifestation of the will of her constituents) aren't perfectly represented by either party. So she's setting herself up to work freely with both major voting blocks. \nIf politics is the art of compromise, we shouldn't be celebrating intransigent party loyalty.",
">\n\nIf her real goal is to work “with both sides”, her party affiliation wouldn’t matter, she only changed her party affiliation to attempt to stave off a primary challenge by an actual Democrat, and her only reason to stay in office is to continue the grift.",
">\n\nThis seems like a pretty shit article. \n\nTrue independence in our partisan system is a fantasy. Like the two other independent senators, Sinema will continue to vote almost entirely like a Democrat. \n\nIt could have ended with this right here. She has been voting almost entirely like a Democrat the entire time and removing the (D) for an (I) doesn't change anything besides removing herself from the primary system in Arizona.",
">\n\nSure it does. It gives her a much bigger pool of bidders when she auctions off her Senate votes. Lots of single issue organizations and lots of billionaire donors won't be associated with an openly gay radical Democrat, but a \"centrist independent\" who is a \"bi-partisan problem solver\" is a much easier thing to finesse.",
">\n\nKirsten Sinema. Obviously one of the best that money can buy.",
">\n\nShe's an independent sellout.",
">\n\nSinema isn’t an independent, but a narcissist for sale to the highest bidder",
">\n\nBernie is a Republican? Huh."
] |
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Sinema will continue to vote almost entirely like a Democrat. 🫣 DON’T YOU BELIEVE IT! | [
"A list of donors is worth more than anything that comes out their mouths",
">\n\nIKR? I've followed the money since high school debate team, for years assumed everyone did the same. You see, I just refused to give anyone the honor of my vote until I knew who was supporting them. At this point, all I have to do is open a list of donors and I know exactly what someone is about. I know the nicer kind of people, the crooks, the predators, the miscreants from previous episodes of the same old thing, but mostly I can tell whether they are truly what they say they are. This one isn't what they say she is.",
">\n\nShe stood in the way of voting rights legislation. Her self-proclaimed alignment is irrelevant after such a betrayal. Let's not over-analyze it when she's already demonstrated clearly that her true allegiance is not to the American people.\nDemocrats should run someone against her. Even if a Republican wins, at least Sinema loses, and we can move forward toward getting a good candidate in place.",
">\n\nThe “curtesy” with her “forever 21” lil knapsack to shoot down minimum wage increase. Makes my blood boil to this day. I was “owned”.",
">\n\nI used to believe Independents were necessary, but then the Trump era came and I realized, all the GOP is homogeneous (and borderline fascist) yet the Dems have a party tent so big that Manchin and AOC fit in it.\nWhen one side is diverse and inclusive, and the otherside is fascist, it shouldn’t even be a choice",
">\n\nThe DNC is about as diverse and inclusive as a Auburn University sorority.",
">\n\nHow do you figure?",
">\n\nThey want people who tow the party line.",
">\n\nHow does that relate at all to your first comment?",
">\n\nDiversity of ideas and ideologies.",
">\n\nI don't see how that lead you to the conclusion you drew, and don't feel like it reflects reality.",
">\n\nSinema is an opportunist. Look to Senator Angus King for what an independent politician looks like. All cattle and no hat...",
">\n\nDoes it seem to anyone that somebody paid her to pretend she was a Democrat?",
">\n\nI thought that was widely assumed. Her votes were so contrarian to anything remotely progressive, there’s just no other explanation. But if that is the case, what’s to be done? And what’s to be done in the future when it happens again?",
">\n\nTried to tell someone long ago that there’s no Independent in politics. Either you are voting mostly right or left. It is really vanity. A piece of mind that you are not like “them” you are “Independent “ it is a feel good label. The person I was talking to tried to tie it to money but no. You can be “Independent” and give or belong to a Party and not give. \nI toss “Independent” right up there with “free thinker”.",
">\n\nThis I agree with and it needs to be smashed into people's skulls like a bag of hammers when they spew rhetorical complaints about the two party system of the country being to blame for the country's polarization.\nThere are valid arguments against two party electoral systems and they never seem to be able to articulate any of them which means they're screaming noise into the void in bad faith themselves, it's just another version of 'both sides are the same'.\nAnyone with a complaint about a 'two party system' or that there aren't more and different flavors of political party to force a coalition government isn't actually aware that at minimum it doesn't change a thing, and at worst shit like Brexit can still happen.\nThere's only two possible answers when someone complains about a two-party system in the USA:\n1) They are using it as shorthand to advocate ranked choice voting, outlaw first-past-the-post, revoke and codify Citizens United to put severe regulatory limits on corporate donations/lobbying, and dismantle gerrymandering. In the extreme it would be the breakup and divestiture of Fox News and Sinclair Broadcasting.\n2) They're spewing feel-good rhetoric to make being a lazy freeloader come off as a above-the-fray holier-than-thou debate reasoning and sulky they aren't taken seriously enough to peel more votes for their particular viewpoint to twist the arms of the established political parties.\nThere are no other plausible reasonings unless it's an electoral historian informed as to how the two party system came into play despite the founders' warnings and the exact lists of pros and cons. Only then can you have an informed debate about the possibility and likelihood of a constitutional convention to break up the Democratic Party and GOP to force coalition governance, and why.",
">\n\nCorporate puppets are not politically independent.",
">\n\nPolitical independent seems similar to the ideal of Libertarian- the reality is politics is the art of compromise, if one will not compromise at all, they become irrelevant. In Sinema’s case, she herself is compromised due to her corporate backing. Her “independence “ is just her looking out for herself financially, period. No moral compass, no sense of stepping up and achieving for the greater good, just plain old greed and trying to protect her position.",
">\n\nThat's a pretty grim take. It's equally accurate to say that her policy goals (as a manifestation of the will of her constituents) aren't perfectly represented by either party. So she's setting herself up to work freely with both major voting blocks. \nIf politics is the art of compromise, we shouldn't be celebrating intransigent party loyalty.",
">\n\nIf her real goal is to work “with both sides”, her party affiliation wouldn’t matter, she only changed her party affiliation to attempt to stave off a primary challenge by an actual Democrat, and her only reason to stay in office is to continue the grift.",
">\n\nThis seems like a pretty shit article. \n\nTrue independence in our partisan system is a fantasy. Like the two other independent senators, Sinema will continue to vote almost entirely like a Democrat. \n\nIt could have ended with this right here. She has been voting almost entirely like a Democrat the entire time and removing the (D) for an (I) doesn't change anything besides removing herself from the primary system in Arizona.",
">\n\nSure it does. It gives her a much bigger pool of bidders when she auctions off her Senate votes. Lots of single issue organizations and lots of billionaire donors won't be associated with an openly gay radical Democrat, but a \"centrist independent\" who is a \"bi-partisan problem solver\" is a much easier thing to finesse.",
">\n\nKirsten Sinema. Obviously one of the best that money can buy.",
">\n\nShe's an independent sellout.",
">\n\nSinema isn’t an independent, but a narcissist for sale to the highest bidder",
">\n\nBernie is a Republican? Huh.",
">\n\nKing too apparently. I guess all the millions of people who hate both parties are all just really embarrassed Republicans. Yea that makes sense."
] |
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How has she voted like a Democrat? | [
"A list of donors is worth more than anything that comes out their mouths",
">\n\nIKR? I've followed the money since high school debate team, for years assumed everyone did the same. You see, I just refused to give anyone the honor of my vote until I knew who was supporting them. At this point, all I have to do is open a list of donors and I know exactly what someone is about. I know the nicer kind of people, the crooks, the predators, the miscreants from previous episodes of the same old thing, but mostly I can tell whether they are truly what they say they are. This one isn't what they say she is.",
">\n\nShe stood in the way of voting rights legislation. Her self-proclaimed alignment is irrelevant after such a betrayal. Let's not over-analyze it when she's already demonstrated clearly that her true allegiance is not to the American people.\nDemocrats should run someone against her. Even if a Republican wins, at least Sinema loses, and we can move forward toward getting a good candidate in place.",
">\n\nThe “curtesy” with her “forever 21” lil knapsack to shoot down minimum wage increase. Makes my blood boil to this day. I was “owned”.",
">\n\nI used to believe Independents were necessary, but then the Trump era came and I realized, all the GOP is homogeneous (and borderline fascist) yet the Dems have a party tent so big that Manchin and AOC fit in it.\nWhen one side is diverse and inclusive, and the otherside is fascist, it shouldn’t even be a choice",
">\n\nThe DNC is about as diverse and inclusive as a Auburn University sorority.",
">\n\nHow do you figure?",
">\n\nThey want people who tow the party line.",
">\n\nHow does that relate at all to your first comment?",
">\n\nDiversity of ideas and ideologies.",
">\n\nI don't see how that lead you to the conclusion you drew, and don't feel like it reflects reality.",
">\n\nSinema is an opportunist. Look to Senator Angus King for what an independent politician looks like. All cattle and no hat...",
">\n\nDoes it seem to anyone that somebody paid her to pretend she was a Democrat?",
">\n\nI thought that was widely assumed. Her votes were so contrarian to anything remotely progressive, there’s just no other explanation. But if that is the case, what’s to be done? And what’s to be done in the future when it happens again?",
">\n\nTried to tell someone long ago that there’s no Independent in politics. Either you are voting mostly right or left. It is really vanity. A piece of mind that you are not like “them” you are “Independent “ it is a feel good label. The person I was talking to tried to tie it to money but no. You can be “Independent” and give or belong to a Party and not give. \nI toss “Independent” right up there with “free thinker”.",
">\n\nThis I agree with and it needs to be smashed into people's skulls like a bag of hammers when they spew rhetorical complaints about the two party system of the country being to blame for the country's polarization.\nThere are valid arguments against two party electoral systems and they never seem to be able to articulate any of them which means they're screaming noise into the void in bad faith themselves, it's just another version of 'both sides are the same'.\nAnyone with a complaint about a 'two party system' or that there aren't more and different flavors of political party to force a coalition government isn't actually aware that at minimum it doesn't change a thing, and at worst shit like Brexit can still happen.\nThere's only two possible answers when someone complains about a two-party system in the USA:\n1) They are using it as shorthand to advocate ranked choice voting, outlaw first-past-the-post, revoke and codify Citizens United to put severe regulatory limits on corporate donations/lobbying, and dismantle gerrymandering. In the extreme it would be the breakup and divestiture of Fox News and Sinclair Broadcasting.\n2) They're spewing feel-good rhetoric to make being a lazy freeloader come off as a above-the-fray holier-than-thou debate reasoning and sulky they aren't taken seriously enough to peel more votes for their particular viewpoint to twist the arms of the established political parties.\nThere are no other plausible reasonings unless it's an electoral historian informed as to how the two party system came into play despite the founders' warnings and the exact lists of pros and cons. Only then can you have an informed debate about the possibility and likelihood of a constitutional convention to break up the Democratic Party and GOP to force coalition governance, and why.",
">\n\nCorporate puppets are not politically independent.",
">\n\nPolitical independent seems similar to the ideal of Libertarian- the reality is politics is the art of compromise, if one will not compromise at all, they become irrelevant. In Sinema’s case, she herself is compromised due to her corporate backing. Her “independence “ is just her looking out for herself financially, period. No moral compass, no sense of stepping up and achieving for the greater good, just plain old greed and trying to protect her position.",
">\n\nThat's a pretty grim take. It's equally accurate to say that her policy goals (as a manifestation of the will of her constituents) aren't perfectly represented by either party. So she's setting herself up to work freely with both major voting blocks. \nIf politics is the art of compromise, we shouldn't be celebrating intransigent party loyalty.",
">\n\nIf her real goal is to work “with both sides”, her party affiliation wouldn’t matter, she only changed her party affiliation to attempt to stave off a primary challenge by an actual Democrat, and her only reason to stay in office is to continue the grift.",
">\n\nThis seems like a pretty shit article. \n\nTrue independence in our partisan system is a fantasy. Like the two other independent senators, Sinema will continue to vote almost entirely like a Democrat. \n\nIt could have ended with this right here. She has been voting almost entirely like a Democrat the entire time and removing the (D) for an (I) doesn't change anything besides removing herself from the primary system in Arizona.",
">\n\nSure it does. It gives her a much bigger pool of bidders when she auctions off her Senate votes. Lots of single issue organizations and lots of billionaire donors won't be associated with an openly gay radical Democrat, but a \"centrist independent\" who is a \"bi-partisan problem solver\" is a much easier thing to finesse.",
">\n\nKirsten Sinema. Obviously one of the best that money can buy.",
">\n\nShe's an independent sellout.",
">\n\nSinema isn’t an independent, but a narcissist for sale to the highest bidder",
">\n\nBernie is a Republican? Huh.",
">\n\nKing too apparently. I guess all the millions of people who hate both parties are all just really embarrassed Republicans. Yea that makes sense.",
">\n\nSinema will continue to vote almost entirely like a Democrat. 🫣 DON’T YOU BELIEVE IT!"
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This article reads a lot like
Parties are necessary because we need them, I promise.
Critique of Sinema aside. here's a quote:
Parties are necessary to organize sustainable coalitions and build governing majorities.
Can be basically switched to
Parties are necessary to organize sustainable parties and build governing parties (that have the majority)
:/ | [
"A list of donors is worth more than anything that comes out their mouths",
">\n\nIKR? I've followed the money since high school debate team, for years assumed everyone did the same. You see, I just refused to give anyone the honor of my vote until I knew who was supporting them. At this point, all I have to do is open a list of donors and I know exactly what someone is about. I know the nicer kind of people, the crooks, the predators, the miscreants from previous episodes of the same old thing, but mostly I can tell whether they are truly what they say they are. This one isn't what they say she is.",
">\n\nShe stood in the way of voting rights legislation. Her self-proclaimed alignment is irrelevant after such a betrayal. Let's not over-analyze it when she's already demonstrated clearly that her true allegiance is not to the American people.\nDemocrats should run someone against her. Even if a Republican wins, at least Sinema loses, and we can move forward toward getting a good candidate in place.",
">\n\nThe “curtesy” with her “forever 21” lil knapsack to shoot down minimum wage increase. Makes my blood boil to this day. I was “owned”.",
">\n\nI used to believe Independents were necessary, but then the Trump era came and I realized, all the GOP is homogeneous (and borderline fascist) yet the Dems have a party tent so big that Manchin and AOC fit in it.\nWhen one side is diverse and inclusive, and the otherside is fascist, it shouldn’t even be a choice",
">\n\nThe DNC is about as diverse and inclusive as a Auburn University sorority.",
">\n\nHow do you figure?",
">\n\nThey want people who tow the party line.",
">\n\nHow does that relate at all to your first comment?",
">\n\nDiversity of ideas and ideologies.",
">\n\nI don't see how that lead you to the conclusion you drew, and don't feel like it reflects reality.",
">\n\nSinema is an opportunist. Look to Senator Angus King for what an independent politician looks like. All cattle and no hat...",
">\n\nDoes it seem to anyone that somebody paid her to pretend she was a Democrat?",
">\n\nI thought that was widely assumed. Her votes were so contrarian to anything remotely progressive, there’s just no other explanation. But if that is the case, what’s to be done? And what’s to be done in the future when it happens again?",
">\n\nTried to tell someone long ago that there’s no Independent in politics. Either you are voting mostly right or left. It is really vanity. A piece of mind that you are not like “them” you are “Independent “ it is a feel good label. The person I was talking to tried to tie it to money but no. You can be “Independent” and give or belong to a Party and not give. \nI toss “Independent” right up there with “free thinker”.",
">\n\nThis I agree with and it needs to be smashed into people's skulls like a bag of hammers when they spew rhetorical complaints about the two party system of the country being to blame for the country's polarization.\nThere are valid arguments against two party electoral systems and they never seem to be able to articulate any of them which means they're screaming noise into the void in bad faith themselves, it's just another version of 'both sides are the same'.\nAnyone with a complaint about a 'two party system' or that there aren't more and different flavors of political party to force a coalition government isn't actually aware that at minimum it doesn't change a thing, and at worst shit like Brexit can still happen.\nThere's only two possible answers when someone complains about a two-party system in the USA:\n1) They are using it as shorthand to advocate ranked choice voting, outlaw first-past-the-post, revoke and codify Citizens United to put severe regulatory limits on corporate donations/lobbying, and dismantle gerrymandering. In the extreme it would be the breakup and divestiture of Fox News and Sinclair Broadcasting.\n2) They're spewing feel-good rhetoric to make being a lazy freeloader come off as a above-the-fray holier-than-thou debate reasoning and sulky they aren't taken seriously enough to peel more votes for their particular viewpoint to twist the arms of the established political parties.\nThere are no other plausible reasonings unless it's an electoral historian informed as to how the two party system came into play despite the founders' warnings and the exact lists of pros and cons. Only then can you have an informed debate about the possibility and likelihood of a constitutional convention to break up the Democratic Party and GOP to force coalition governance, and why.",
">\n\nCorporate puppets are not politically independent.",
">\n\nPolitical independent seems similar to the ideal of Libertarian- the reality is politics is the art of compromise, if one will not compromise at all, they become irrelevant. In Sinema’s case, she herself is compromised due to her corporate backing. Her “independence “ is just her looking out for herself financially, period. No moral compass, no sense of stepping up and achieving for the greater good, just plain old greed and trying to protect her position.",
">\n\nThat's a pretty grim take. It's equally accurate to say that her policy goals (as a manifestation of the will of her constituents) aren't perfectly represented by either party. So she's setting herself up to work freely with both major voting blocks. \nIf politics is the art of compromise, we shouldn't be celebrating intransigent party loyalty.",
">\n\nIf her real goal is to work “with both sides”, her party affiliation wouldn’t matter, she only changed her party affiliation to attempt to stave off a primary challenge by an actual Democrat, and her only reason to stay in office is to continue the grift.",
">\n\nThis seems like a pretty shit article. \n\nTrue independence in our partisan system is a fantasy. Like the two other independent senators, Sinema will continue to vote almost entirely like a Democrat. \n\nIt could have ended with this right here. She has been voting almost entirely like a Democrat the entire time and removing the (D) for an (I) doesn't change anything besides removing herself from the primary system in Arizona.",
">\n\nSure it does. It gives her a much bigger pool of bidders when she auctions off her Senate votes. Lots of single issue organizations and lots of billionaire donors won't be associated with an openly gay radical Democrat, but a \"centrist independent\" who is a \"bi-partisan problem solver\" is a much easier thing to finesse.",
">\n\nKirsten Sinema. Obviously one of the best that money can buy.",
">\n\nShe's an independent sellout.",
">\n\nSinema isn’t an independent, but a narcissist for sale to the highest bidder",
">\n\nBernie is a Republican? Huh.",
">\n\nKing too apparently. I guess all the millions of people who hate both parties are all just really embarrassed Republicans. Yea that makes sense.",
">\n\nSinema will continue to vote almost entirely like a Democrat. 🫣 DON’T YOU BELIEVE IT!",
">\n\nHow has she voted like a Democrat?"
] |
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The moment government is strictly about dry policy debates devoid of emotion and nailed to logic in a more restrictive way than the legal profession currently is, is when governing parties will no longer be necessary.
Guess what has NEVER been the case since the founding of the nation, and never will be? American government has always been a fractious circus of clowns, and nowhere is this more readily apparent than in the history of American political campaigns.
I'm not saying it's good, but bitching about it is willfully ignoring the reality of the situation without seizing enough power and authority to push through a viable change in the system. | [
"A list of donors is worth more than anything that comes out their mouths",
">\n\nIKR? I've followed the money since high school debate team, for years assumed everyone did the same. You see, I just refused to give anyone the honor of my vote until I knew who was supporting them. At this point, all I have to do is open a list of donors and I know exactly what someone is about. I know the nicer kind of people, the crooks, the predators, the miscreants from previous episodes of the same old thing, but mostly I can tell whether they are truly what they say they are. This one isn't what they say she is.",
">\n\nShe stood in the way of voting rights legislation. Her self-proclaimed alignment is irrelevant after such a betrayal. Let's not over-analyze it when she's already demonstrated clearly that her true allegiance is not to the American people.\nDemocrats should run someone against her. Even if a Republican wins, at least Sinema loses, and we can move forward toward getting a good candidate in place.",
">\n\nThe “curtesy” with her “forever 21” lil knapsack to shoot down minimum wage increase. Makes my blood boil to this day. I was “owned”.",
">\n\nI used to believe Independents were necessary, but then the Trump era came and I realized, all the GOP is homogeneous (and borderline fascist) yet the Dems have a party tent so big that Manchin and AOC fit in it.\nWhen one side is diverse and inclusive, and the otherside is fascist, it shouldn’t even be a choice",
">\n\nThe DNC is about as diverse and inclusive as a Auburn University sorority.",
">\n\nHow do you figure?",
">\n\nThey want people who tow the party line.",
">\n\nHow does that relate at all to your first comment?",
">\n\nDiversity of ideas and ideologies.",
">\n\nI don't see how that lead you to the conclusion you drew, and don't feel like it reflects reality.",
">\n\nSinema is an opportunist. Look to Senator Angus King for what an independent politician looks like. All cattle and no hat...",
">\n\nDoes it seem to anyone that somebody paid her to pretend she was a Democrat?",
">\n\nI thought that was widely assumed. Her votes were so contrarian to anything remotely progressive, there’s just no other explanation. But if that is the case, what’s to be done? And what’s to be done in the future when it happens again?",
">\n\nTried to tell someone long ago that there’s no Independent in politics. Either you are voting mostly right or left. It is really vanity. A piece of mind that you are not like “them” you are “Independent “ it is a feel good label. The person I was talking to tried to tie it to money but no. You can be “Independent” and give or belong to a Party and not give. \nI toss “Independent” right up there with “free thinker”.",
">\n\nThis I agree with and it needs to be smashed into people's skulls like a bag of hammers when they spew rhetorical complaints about the two party system of the country being to blame for the country's polarization.\nThere are valid arguments against two party electoral systems and they never seem to be able to articulate any of them which means they're screaming noise into the void in bad faith themselves, it's just another version of 'both sides are the same'.\nAnyone with a complaint about a 'two party system' or that there aren't more and different flavors of political party to force a coalition government isn't actually aware that at minimum it doesn't change a thing, and at worst shit like Brexit can still happen.\nThere's only two possible answers when someone complains about a two-party system in the USA:\n1) They are using it as shorthand to advocate ranked choice voting, outlaw first-past-the-post, revoke and codify Citizens United to put severe regulatory limits on corporate donations/lobbying, and dismantle gerrymandering. In the extreme it would be the breakup and divestiture of Fox News and Sinclair Broadcasting.\n2) They're spewing feel-good rhetoric to make being a lazy freeloader come off as a above-the-fray holier-than-thou debate reasoning and sulky they aren't taken seriously enough to peel more votes for their particular viewpoint to twist the arms of the established political parties.\nThere are no other plausible reasonings unless it's an electoral historian informed as to how the two party system came into play despite the founders' warnings and the exact lists of pros and cons. Only then can you have an informed debate about the possibility and likelihood of a constitutional convention to break up the Democratic Party and GOP to force coalition governance, and why.",
">\n\nCorporate puppets are not politically independent.",
">\n\nPolitical independent seems similar to the ideal of Libertarian- the reality is politics is the art of compromise, if one will not compromise at all, they become irrelevant. In Sinema’s case, she herself is compromised due to her corporate backing. Her “independence “ is just her looking out for herself financially, period. No moral compass, no sense of stepping up and achieving for the greater good, just plain old greed and trying to protect her position.",
">\n\nThat's a pretty grim take. It's equally accurate to say that her policy goals (as a manifestation of the will of her constituents) aren't perfectly represented by either party. So she's setting herself up to work freely with both major voting blocks. \nIf politics is the art of compromise, we shouldn't be celebrating intransigent party loyalty.",
">\n\nIf her real goal is to work “with both sides”, her party affiliation wouldn’t matter, she only changed her party affiliation to attempt to stave off a primary challenge by an actual Democrat, and her only reason to stay in office is to continue the grift.",
">\n\nThis seems like a pretty shit article. \n\nTrue independence in our partisan system is a fantasy. Like the two other independent senators, Sinema will continue to vote almost entirely like a Democrat. \n\nIt could have ended with this right here. She has been voting almost entirely like a Democrat the entire time and removing the (D) for an (I) doesn't change anything besides removing herself from the primary system in Arizona.",
">\n\nSure it does. It gives her a much bigger pool of bidders when she auctions off her Senate votes. Lots of single issue organizations and lots of billionaire donors won't be associated with an openly gay radical Democrat, but a \"centrist independent\" who is a \"bi-partisan problem solver\" is a much easier thing to finesse.",
">\n\nKirsten Sinema. Obviously one of the best that money can buy.",
">\n\nShe's an independent sellout.",
">\n\nSinema isn’t an independent, but a narcissist for sale to the highest bidder",
">\n\nBernie is a Republican? Huh.",
">\n\nKing too apparently. I guess all the millions of people who hate both parties are all just really embarrassed Republicans. Yea that makes sense.",
">\n\nSinema will continue to vote almost entirely like a Democrat. 🫣 DON’T YOU BELIEVE IT!",
">\n\nHow has she voted like a Democrat?",
">\n\nThis article reads a lot like \n\nParties are necessary because we need them, I promise. \n\nCritique of Sinema aside. here's a quote:\n\nParties are necessary to organize sustainable coalitions and build governing majorities.\n\nCan be basically switched to\n\nParties are necessary to organize sustainable parties and build governing parties (that have the majority) \n\n:/"
] |
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She won under the democratic insignia, but the seat is hers? If that is not a loop hole I don’t know what it is | [
"A list of donors is worth more than anything that comes out their mouths",
">\n\nIKR? I've followed the money since high school debate team, for years assumed everyone did the same. You see, I just refused to give anyone the honor of my vote until I knew who was supporting them. At this point, all I have to do is open a list of donors and I know exactly what someone is about. I know the nicer kind of people, the crooks, the predators, the miscreants from previous episodes of the same old thing, but mostly I can tell whether they are truly what they say they are. This one isn't what they say she is.",
">\n\nShe stood in the way of voting rights legislation. Her self-proclaimed alignment is irrelevant after such a betrayal. Let's not over-analyze it when she's already demonstrated clearly that her true allegiance is not to the American people.\nDemocrats should run someone against her. Even if a Republican wins, at least Sinema loses, and we can move forward toward getting a good candidate in place.",
">\n\nThe “curtesy” with her “forever 21” lil knapsack to shoot down minimum wage increase. Makes my blood boil to this day. I was “owned”.",
">\n\nI used to believe Independents were necessary, but then the Trump era came and I realized, all the GOP is homogeneous (and borderline fascist) yet the Dems have a party tent so big that Manchin and AOC fit in it.\nWhen one side is diverse and inclusive, and the otherside is fascist, it shouldn’t even be a choice",
">\n\nThe DNC is about as diverse and inclusive as a Auburn University sorority.",
">\n\nHow do you figure?",
">\n\nThey want people who tow the party line.",
">\n\nHow does that relate at all to your first comment?",
">\n\nDiversity of ideas and ideologies.",
">\n\nI don't see how that lead you to the conclusion you drew, and don't feel like it reflects reality.",
">\n\nSinema is an opportunist. Look to Senator Angus King for what an independent politician looks like. All cattle and no hat...",
">\n\nDoes it seem to anyone that somebody paid her to pretend she was a Democrat?",
">\n\nI thought that was widely assumed. Her votes were so contrarian to anything remotely progressive, there’s just no other explanation. But if that is the case, what’s to be done? And what’s to be done in the future when it happens again?",
">\n\nTried to tell someone long ago that there’s no Independent in politics. Either you are voting mostly right or left. It is really vanity. A piece of mind that you are not like “them” you are “Independent “ it is a feel good label. The person I was talking to tried to tie it to money but no. You can be “Independent” and give or belong to a Party and not give. \nI toss “Independent” right up there with “free thinker”.",
">\n\nThis I agree with and it needs to be smashed into people's skulls like a bag of hammers when they spew rhetorical complaints about the two party system of the country being to blame for the country's polarization.\nThere are valid arguments against two party electoral systems and they never seem to be able to articulate any of them which means they're screaming noise into the void in bad faith themselves, it's just another version of 'both sides are the same'.\nAnyone with a complaint about a 'two party system' or that there aren't more and different flavors of political party to force a coalition government isn't actually aware that at minimum it doesn't change a thing, and at worst shit like Brexit can still happen.\nThere's only two possible answers when someone complains about a two-party system in the USA:\n1) They are using it as shorthand to advocate ranked choice voting, outlaw first-past-the-post, revoke and codify Citizens United to put severe regulatory limits on corporate donations/lobbying, and dismantle gerrymandering. In the extreme it would be the breakup and divestiture of Fox News and Sinclair Broadcasting.\n2) They're spewing feel-good rhetoric to make being a lazy freeloader come off as a above-the-fray holier-than-thou debate reasoning and sulky they aren't taken seriously enough to peel more votes for their particular viewpoint to twist the arms of the established political parties.\nThere are no other plausible reasonings unless it's an electoral historian informed as to how the two party system came into play despite the founders' warnings and the exact lists of pros and cons. Only then can you have an informed debate about the possibility and likelihood of a constitutional convention to break up the Democratic Party and GOP to force coalition governance, and why.",
">\n\nCorporate puppets are not politically independent.",
">\n\nPolitical independent seems similar to the ideal of Libertarian- the reality is politics is the art of compromise, if one will not compromise at all, they become irrelevant. In Sinema’s case, she herself is compromised due to her corporate backing. Her “independence “ is just her looking out for herself financially, period. No moral compass, no sense of stepping up and achieving for the greater good, just plain old greed and trying to protect her position.",
">\n\nThat's a pretty grim take. It's equally accurate to say that her policy goals (as a manifestation of the will of her constituents) aren't perfectly represented by either party. So she's setting herself up to work freely with both major voting blocks. \nIf politics is the art of compromise, we shouldn't be celebrating intransigent party loyalty.",
">\n\nIf her real goal is to work “with both sides”, her party affiliation wouldn’t matter, she only changed her party affiliation to attempt to stave off a primary challenge by an actual Democrat, and her only reason to stay in office is to continue the grift.",
">\n\nThis seems like a pretty shit article. \n\nTrue independence in our partisan system is a fantasy. Like the two other independent senators, Sinema will continue to vote almost entirely like a Democrat. \n\nIt could have ended with this right here. She has been voting almost entirely like a Democrat the entire time and removing the (D) for an (I) doesn't change anything besides removing herself from the primary system in Arizona.",
">\n\nSure it does. It gives her a much bigger pool of bidders when she auctions off her Senate votes. Lots of single issue organizations and lots of billionaire donors won't be associated with an openly gay radical Democrat, but a \"centrist independent\" who is a \"bi-partisan problem solver\" is a much easier thing to finesse.",
">\n\nKirsten Sinema. Obviously one of the best that money can buy.",
">\n\nShe's an independent sellout.",
">\n\nSinema isn’t an independent, but a narcissist for sale to the highest bidder",
">\n\nBernie is a Republican? Huh.",
">\n\nKing too apparently. I guess all the millions of people who hate both parties are all just really embarrassed Republicans. Yea that makes sense.",
">\n\nSinema will continue to vote almost entirely like a Democrat. 🫣 DON’T YOU BELIEVE IT!",
">\n\nHow has she voted like a Democrat?",
">\n\nThis article reads a lot like \n\nParties are necessary because we need them, I promise. \n\nCritique of Sinema aside. here's a quote:\n\nParties are necessary to organize sustainable coalitions and build governing majorities.\n\nCan be basically switched to\n\nParties are necessary to organize sustainable parties and build governing parties (that have the majority) \n\n:/",
">\n\nThe moment government is strictly about dry policy debates devoid of emotion and nailed to logic in a more restrictive way than the legal profession currently is, is when governing parties will no longer be necessary.\nGuess what has NEVER been the case since the founding of the nation, and never will be? American government has always been a fractious circus of clowns, and nowhere is this more readily apparent than in the history of American political campaigns.\nI'm not saying it's good, but bitching about it is willfully ignoring the reality of the situation without seizing enough power and authority to push through a viable change in the system."
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"A list of donors is worth more than anything that comes out their mouths",
">\n\nIKR? I've followed the money since high school debate team, for years assumed everyone did the same. You see, I just refused to give anyone the honor of my vote until I knew who was supporting them. At this point, all I have to do is open a list of donors and I know exactly what someone is about. I know the nicer kind of people, the crooks, the predators, the miscreants from previous episodes of the same old thing, but mostly I can tell whether they are truly what they say they are. This one isn't what they say she is.",
">\n\nShe stood in the way of voting rights legislation. Her self-proclaimed alignment is irrelevant after such a betrayal. Let's not over-analyze it when she's already demonstrated clearly that her true allegiance is not to the American people.\nDemocrats should run someone against her. Even if a Republican wins, at least Sinema loses, and we can move forward toward getting a good candidate in place.",
">\n\nThe “curtesy” with her “forever 21” lil knapsack to shoot down minimum wage increase. Makes my blood boil to this day. I was “owned”.",
">\n\nI used to believe Independents were necessary, but then the Trump era came and I realized, all the GOP is homogeneous (and borderline fascist) yet the Dems have a party tent so big that Manchin and AOC fit in it.\nWhen one side is diverse and inclusive, and the otherside is fascist, it shouldn’t even be a choice",
">\n\nThe DNC is about as diverse and inclusive as a Auburn University sorority.",
">\n\nHow do you figure?",
">\n\nThey want people who tow the party line.",
">\n\nHow does that relate at all to your first comment?",
">\n\nDiversity of ideas and ideologies.",
">\n\nI don't see how that lead you to the conclusion you drew, and don't feel like it reflects reality.",
">\n\nSinema is an opportunist. Look to Senator Angus King for what an independent politician looks like. All cattle and no hat...",
">\n\nDoes it seem to anyone that somebody paid her to pretend she was a Democrat?",
">\n\nI thought that was widely assumed. Her votes were so contrarian to anything remotely progressive, there’s just no other explanation. But if that is the case, what’s to be done? And what’s to be done in the future when it happens again?",
">\n\nTried to tell someone long ago that there’s no Independent in politics. Either you are voting mostly right or left. It is really vanity. A piece of mind that you are not like “them” you are “Independent “ it is a feel good label. The person I was talking to tried to tie it to money but no. You can be “Independent” and give or belong to a Party and not give. \nI toss “Independent” right up there with “free thinker”.",
">\n\nThis I agree with and it needs to be smashed into people's skulls like a bag of hammers when they spew rhetorical complaints about the two party system of the country being to blame for the country's polarization.\nThere are valid arguments against two party electoral systems and they never seem to be able to articulate any of them which means they're screaming noise into the void in bad faith themselves, it's just another version of 'both sides are the same'.\nAnyone with a complaint about a 'two party system' or that there aren't more and different flavors of political party to force a coalition government isn't actually aware that at minimum it doesn't change a thing, and at worst shit like Brexit can still happen.\nThere's only two possible answers when someone complains about a two-party system in the USA:\n1) They are using it as shorthand to advocate ranked choice voting, outlaw first-past-the-post, revoke and codify Citizens United to put severe regulatory limits on corporate donations/lobbying, and dismantle gerrymandering. In the extreme it would be the breakup and divestiture of Fox News and Sinclair Broadcasting.\n2) They're spewing feel-good rhetoric to make being a lazy freeloader come off as a above-the-fray holier-than-thou debate reasoning and sulky they aren't taken seriously enough to peel more votes for their particular viewpoint to twist the arms of the established political parties.\nThere are no other plausible reasonings unless it's an electoral historian informed as to how the two party system came into play despite the founders' warnings and the exact lists of pros and cons. Only then can you have an informed debate about the possibility and likelihood of a constitutional convention to break up the Democratic Party and GOP to force coalition governance, and why.",
">\n\nCorporate puppets are not politically independent.",
">\n\nPolitical independent seems similar to the ideal of Libertarian- the reality is politics is the art of compromise, if one will not compromise at all, they become irrelevant. In Sinema’s case, she herself is compromised due to her corporate backing. Her “independence “ is just her looking out for herself financially, period. No moral compass, no sense of stepping up and achieving for the greater good, just plain old greed and trying to protect her position.",
">\n\nThat's a pretty grim take. It's equally accurate to say that her policy goals (as a manifestation of the will of her constituents) aren't perfectly represented by either party. So she's setting herself up to work freely with both major voting blocks. \nIf politics is the art of compromise, we shouldn't be celebrating intransigent party loyalty.",
">\n\nIf her real goal is to work “with both sides”, her party affiliation wouldn’t matter, she only changed her party affiliation to attempt to stave off a primary challenge by an actual Democrat, and her only reason to stay in office is to continue the grift.",
">\n\nThis seems like a pretty shit article. \n\nTrue independence in our partisan system is a fantasy. Like the two other independent senators, Sinema will continue to vote almost entirely like a Democrat. \n\nIt could have ended with this right here. She has been voting almost entirely like a Democrat the entire time and removing the (D) for an (I) doesn't change anything besides removing herself from the primary system in Arizona.",
">\n\nSure it does. It gives her a much bigger pool of bidders when she auctions off her Senate votes. Lots of single issue organizations and lots of billionaire donors won't be associated with an openly gay radical Democrat, but a \"centrist independent\" who is a \"bi-partisan problem solver\" is a much easier thing to finesse.",
">\n\nKirsten Sinema. Obviously one of the best that money can buy.",
">\n\nShe's an independent sellout.",
">\n\nSinema isn’t an independent, but a narcissist for sale to the highest bidder",
">\n\nBernie is a Republican? Huh.",
">\n\nKing too apparently. I guess all the millions of people who hate both parties are all just really embarrassed Republicans. Yea that makes sense.",
">\n\nSinema will continue to vote almost entirely like a Democrat. 🫣 DON’T YOU BELIEVE IT!",
">\n\nHow has she voted like a Democrat?",
">\n\nThis article reads a lot like \n\nParties are necessary because we need them, I promise. \n\nCritique of Sinema aside. here's a quote:\n\nParties are necessary to organize sustainable coalitions and build governing majorities.\n\nCan be basically switched to\n\nParties are necessary to organize sustainable parties and build governing parties (that have the majority) \n\n:/",
">\n\nThe moment government is strictly about dry policy debates devoid of emotion and nailed to logic in a more restrictive way than the legal profession currently is, is when governing parties will no longer be necessary.\nGuess what has NEVER been the case since the founding of the nation, and never will be? American government has always been a fractious circus of clowns, and nowhere is this more readily apparent than in the history of American political campaigns.\nI'm not saying it's good, but bitching about it is willfully ignoring the reality of the situation without seizing enough power and authority to push through a viable change in the system.",
">\n\nShe won under the democratic insignia, but the seat is hers? If that is not a loop hole I don’t know what it is"
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It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness.
Start your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative.
Whew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.
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I work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before.
Having said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues.
Some patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them.
Some patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery.
And some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication.
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"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!"
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I'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do.
But it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them. | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes."
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Former ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia.
The amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety. | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them."
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This should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me
Also, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die. | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety."
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There are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.
My brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing. | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die."
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Thank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly. | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing."
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This just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession! | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly."
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Obviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous. | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!"
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Goes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients. | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous."
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Medical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting. | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients."
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Doesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting."
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No but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that. | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit"
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It's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients. | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that."
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Meh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.
Doctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case. | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients."
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Not all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies.
I will agree to disagree. | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case."
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I really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree."
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My transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life. | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient"
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It's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life."
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I'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things"
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I agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time. | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency"
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Any job that deals with the public will ruin you | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time."
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I've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience. | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you"
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While I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder.
-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened.
-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening.
-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could "verify" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant.
-Got accused of being diabetic because I was "perspiring" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.
-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business.
-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively.
-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me.
-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway.
In horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs.
Not in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine?
Bottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work. | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience."
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Did it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve? | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work."
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Yes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME. | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?"
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No you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME."
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"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems"
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Sure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there. | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick"
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Can’t argue with that! | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there."
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But what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!"
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I agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick. | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them"
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Some of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad. | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick."
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Sorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer! | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad."
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"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!"
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"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!"
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Yes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help. | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare"
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"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help."
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You're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck.."
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I can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree. | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors"
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Honestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day. | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree."
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So. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it. | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day."
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Not to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago. | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it."
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“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me. | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago."
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My wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE.
(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.)
Snowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms.
Snowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible.
Ever since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you?
But let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!
So yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too.
It sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years. | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me."
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Try to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?
Yea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….” | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years."
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I have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job. | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”"
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I know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job."
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A lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.
As for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample.
Whenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere. | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money"
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"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere."
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One of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care. | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch"
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Many are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.
Medical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal. | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care."
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I've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase "nurses are heroes," I think about Homelander. | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care.",
">\n\nMany are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.\nMedical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal."
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OBGYNs would be a prime example of this, obstetric violence is on the rise (some say 1/4 of women have experienced obstetric violence) and many OBGYNs only care about control, money and their schedule and not their patients and their children. | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care.",
">\n\nMany are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.\nMedical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal.",
">\n\nI've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase \"nurses are heroes,\" I think about Homelander."
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A doctor told me he wouldn’t look into me having adhd or autism because anxiety and depression were easier to treat. I had a doctor who was only concerned about my weight but didn’t give a shit about what was actually causing me to be overweight. She put me into a weight loss program instead of trying to figure out what was actually wrong. Also broke privilege, that said it wasn’t a medical thing but still shouldn’t have said it.
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"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care.",
">\n\nMany are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.\nMedical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal.",
">\n\nI've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase \"nurses are heroes,\" I think about Homelander.",
">\n\nOBGYNs would be a prime example of this, obstetric violence is on the rise (some say 1/4 of women have experienced obstetric violence) and many OBGYNs only care about control, money and their schedule and not their patients and their children."
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I am not a doctor but I have been working directly with doctors, NPs and PAs for almost 25 years. I can tell you there are those that don't care but so many do. A lot of those that don't care are usually jaded because of the absolute shit they have to deal with. The patients that never follow what they are told to fix something and just call and complain that they're not healed, patients that think there's a magic pill to cure whatever is wrong with them. Then there are the people in charge of the facility's operations and how they require certain steps or time frames for things to be done when those people aren't doctors and have only ever been administrators. There's so much bullshit doctor's have to put up with.
Shit, we still, 3 years into COVID and people still want to come in to the clinic where I work without masks and yell at the people asking them to put a mask on. Patients STILL try to act like "oh, I don't have COVID. It's just allergies" and they think antibiotics will cure COVID, a cold and a flu. It's fucking ridiculous. | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care.",
">\n\nMany are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.\nMedical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal.",
">\n\nI've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase \"nurses are heroes,\" I think about Homelander.",
">\n\nOBGYNs would be a prime example of this, obstetric violence is on the rise (some say 1/4 of women have experienced obstetric violence) and many OBGYNs only care about control, money and their schedule and not their patients and their children.",
">\n\nA doctor told me he wouldn’t look into me having adhd or autism because anxiety and depression were easier to treat. I had a doctor who was only concerned about my weight but didn’t give a shit about what was actually causing me to be overweight. She put me into a weight loss program instead of trying to figure out what was actually wrong. Also broke privilege, that said it wasn’t a medical thing but still shouldn’t have said it.\nOf three doctors I’ve had, the majority have been horrible."
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"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care.",
">\n\nMany are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.\nMedical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal.",
">\n\nI've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase \"nurses are heroes,\" I think about Homelander.",
">\n\nOBGYNs would be a prime example of this, obstetric violence is on the rise (some say 1/4 of women have experienced obstetric violence) and many OBGYNs only care about control, money and their schedule and not their patients and their children.",
">\n\nA doctor told me he wouldn’t look into me having adhd or autism because anxiety and depression were easier to treat. I had a doctor who was only concerned about my weight but didn’t give a shit about what was actually causing me to be overweight. She put me into a weight loss program instead of trying to figure out what was actually wrong. Also broke privilege, that said it wasn’t a medical thing but still shouldn’t have said it.\nOf three doctors I’ve had, the majority have been horrible.",
">\n\nI am not a doctor but I have been working directly with doctors, NPs and PAs for almost 25 years. I can tell you there are those that don't care but so many do. A lot of those that don't care are usually jaded because of the absolute shit they have to deal with. The patients that never follow what they are told to fix something and just call and complain that they're not healed, patients that think there's a magic pill to cure whatever is wrong with them. Then there are the people in charge of the facility's operations and how they require certain steps or time frames for things to be done when those people aren't doctors and have only ever been administrators. There's so much bullshit doctor's have to put up with. \nShit, we still, 3 years into COVID and people still want to come in to the clinic where I work without masks and yell at the people asking them to put a mask on. Patients STILL try to act like \"oh, I don't have COVID. It's just allergies\" and they think antibiotics will cure COVID, a cold and a flu. It's fucking ridiculous."
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I went to a college with a big nursing program, and man some of them were straight up evil. I mean just stuff that made me TERRIFIED they would be in a place where ethics was necessary.
I had an acquaintance that was a nurse and man some of her posts during COVID made me want to report her.
But I do ascribe to the "1/3 of the world is insane" principle, and yeah you run into these people all over the place, but still it's kinda spooky because when you're in the hospital or something you are at their absolute MERCY and it makes me kind of nervous I'll get somebody awful if something happens to me. | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care.",
">\n\nMany are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.\nMedical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal.",
">\n\nI've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase \"nurses are heroes,\" I think about Homelander.",
">\n\nOBGYNs would be a prime example of this, obstetric violence is on the rise (some say 1/4 of women have experienced obstetric violence) and many OBGYNs only care about control, money and their schedule and not their patients and their children.",
">\n\nA doctor told me he wouldn’t look into me having adhd or autism because anxiety and depression were easier to treat. I had a doctor who was only concerned about my weight but didn’t give a shit about what was actually causing me to be overweight. She put me into a weight loss program instead of trying to figure out what was actually wrong. Also broke privilege, that said it wasn’t a medical thing but still shouldn’t have said it.\nOf three doctors I’ve had, the majority have been horrible.",
">\n\nI am not a doctor but I have been working directly with doctors, NPs and PAs for almost 25 years. I can tell you there are those that don't care but so many do. A lot of those that don't care are usually jaded because of the absolute shit they have to deal with. The patients that never follow what they are told to fix something and just call and complain that they're not healed, patients that think there's a magic pill to cure whatever is wrong with them. Then there are the people in charge of the facility's operations and how they require certain steps or time frames for things to be done when those people aren't doctors and have only ever been administrators. There's so much bullshit doctor's have to put up with. \nShit, we still, 3 years into COVID and people still want to come in to the clinic where I work without masks and yell at the people asking them to put a mask on. Patients STILL try to act like \"oh, I don't have COVID. It's just allergies\" and they think antibiotics will cure COVID, a cold and a flu. It's fucking ridiculous.",
">\n\nIt's funny that one argument I hear against socialized medicine is that no one would do it for a lower salary, but instead we have jerks who do it only for a high salary and don't care about patients."
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"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care.",
">\n\nMany are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.\nMedical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal.",
">\n\nI've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase \"nurses are heroes,\" I think about Homelander.",
">\n\nOBGYNs would be a prime example of this, obstetric violence is on the rise (some say 1/4 of women have experienced obstetric violence) and many OBGYNs only care about control, money and their schedule and not their patients and their children.",
">\n\nA doctor told me he wouldn’t look into me having adhd or autism because anxiety and depression were easier to treat. I had a doctor who was only concerned about my weight but didn’t give a shit about what was actually causing me to be overweight. She put me into a weight loss program instead of trying to figure out what was actually wrong. Also broke privilege, that said it wasn’t a medical thing but still shouldn’t have said it.\nOf three doctors I’ve had, the majority have been horrible.",
">\n\nI am not a doctor but I have been working directly with doctors, NPs and PAs for almost 25 years. I can tell you there are those that don't care but so many do. A lot of those that don't care are usually jaded because of the absolute shit they have to deal with. The patients that never follow what they are told to fix something and just call and complain that they're not healed, patients that think there's a magic pill to cure whatever is wrong with them. Then there are the people in charge of the facility's operations and how they require certain steps or time frames for things to be done when those people aren't doctors and have only ever been administrators. There's so much bullshit doctor's have to put up with. \nShit, we still, 3 years into COVID and people still want to come in to the clinic where I work without masks and yell at the people asking them to put a mask on. Patients STILL try to act like \"oh, I don't have COVID. It's just allergies\" and they think antibiotics will cure COVID, a cold and a flu. It's fucking ridiculous.",
">\n\nIt's funny that one argument I hear against socialized medicine is that no one would do it for a lower salary, but instead we have jerks who do it only for a high salary and don't care about patients.",
">\n\nI went to a college with a big nursing program, and man some of them were straight up evil. I mean just stuff that made me TERRIFIED they would be in a place where ethics was necessary. \nI had an acquaintance that was a nurse and man some of her posts during COVID made me want to report her. \nBut I do ascribe to the \"1/3 of the world is insane\" principle, and yeah you run into these people all over the place, but still it's kinda spooky because when you're in the hospital or something you are at their absolute MERCY and it makes me kind of nervous I'll get somebody awful if something happens to me."
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"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care.",
">\n\nMany are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.\nMedical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal.",
">\n\nI've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase \"nurses are heroes,\" I think about Homelander.",
">\n\nOBGYNs would be a prime example of this, obstetric violence is on the rise (some say 1/4 of women have experienced obstetric violence) and many OBGYNs only care about control, money and their schedule and not their patients and their children.",
">\n\nA doctor told me he wouldn’t look into me having adhd or autism because anxiety and depression were easier to treat. I had a doctor who was only concerned about my weight but didn’t give a shit about what was actually causing me to be overweight. She put me into a weight loss program instead of trying to figure out what was actually wrong. Also broke privilege, that said it wasn’t a medical thing but still shouldn’t have said it.\nOf three doctors I’ve had, the majority have been horrible.",
">\n\nI am not a doctor but I have been working directly with doctors, NPs and PAs for almost 25 years. I can tell you there are those that don't care but so many do. A lot of those that don't care are usually jaded because of the absolute shit they have to deal with. The patients that never follow what they are told to fix something and just call and complain that they're not healed, patients that think there's a magic pill to cure whatever is wrong with them. Then there are the people in charge of the facility's operations and how they require certain steps or time frames for things to be done when those people aren't doctors and have only ever been administrators. There's so much bullshit doctor's have to put up with. \nShit, we still, 3 years into COVID and people still want to come in to the clinic where I work without masks and yell at the people asking them to put a mask on. Patients STILL try to act like \"oh, I don't have COVID. It's just allergies\" and they think antibiotics will cure COVID, a cold and a flu. It's fucking ridiculous.",
">\n\nIt's funny that one argument I hear against socialized medicine is that no one would do it for a lower salary, but instead we have jerks who do it only for a high salary and don't care about patients.",
">\n\nI went to a college with a big nursing program, and man some of them were straight up evil. I mean just stuff that made me TERRIFIED they would be in a place where ethics was necessary. \nI had an acquaintance that was a nurse and man some of her posts during COVID made me want to report her. \nBut I do ascribe to the \"1/3 of the world is insane\" principle, and yeah you run into these people all over the place, but still it's kinda spooky because when you're in the hospital or something you are at their absolute MERCY and it makes me kind of nervous I'll get somebody awful if something happens to me.",
">\n\nWhy I stay as far away from health”care” as possible"
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"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care.",
">\n\nMany are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.\nMedical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal.",
">\n\nI've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase \"nurses are heroes,\" I think about Homelander.",
">\n\nOBGYNs would be a prime example of this, obstetric violence is on the rise (some say 1/4 of women have experienced obstetric violence) and many OBGYNs only care about control, money and their schedule and not their patients and their children.",
">\n\nA doctor told me he wouldn’t look into me having adhd or autism because anxiety and depression were easier to treat. I had a doctor who was only concerned about my weight but didn’t give a shit about what was actually causing me to be overweight. She put me into a weight loss program instead of trying to figure out what was actually wrong. Also broke privilege, that said it wasn’t a medical thing but still shouldn’t have said it.\nOf three doctors I’ve had, the majority have been horrible.",
">\n\nI am not a doctor but I have been working directly with doctors, NPs and PAs for almost 25 years. I can tell you there are those that don't care but so many do. A lot of those that don't care are usually jaded because of the absolute shit they have to deal with. The patients that never follow what they are told to fix something and just call and complain that they're not healed, patients that think there's a magic pill to cure whatever is wrong with them. Then there are the people in charge of the facility's operations and how they require certain steps or time frames for things to be done when those people aren't doctors and have only ever been administrators. There's so much bullshit doctor's have to put up with. \nShit, we still, 3 years into COVID and people still want to come in to the clinic where I work without masks and yell at the people asking them to put a mask on. Patients STILL try to act like \"oh, I don't have COVID. It's just allergies\" and they think antibiotics will cure COVID, a cold and a flu. It's fucking ridiculous.",
">\n\nIt's funny that one argument I hear against socialized medicine is that no one would do it for a lower salary, but instead we have jerks who do it only for a high salary and don't care about patients.",
">\n\nI went to a college with a big nursing program, and man some of them were straight up evil. I mean just stuff that made me TERRIFIED they would be in a place where ethics was necessary. \nI had an acquaintance that was a nurse and man some of her posts during COVID made me want to report her. \nBut I do ascribe to the \"1/3 of the world is insane\" principle, and yeah you run into these people all over the place, but still it's kinda spooky because when you're in the hospital or something you are at their absolute MERCY and it makes me kind of nervous I'll get somebody awful if something happens to me.",
">\n\nWhy I stay as far away from health”care” as possible",
">\n\nso what? it's not a requirement"
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"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care.",
">\n\nMany are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.\nMedical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal.",
">\n\nI've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase \"nurses are heroes,\" I think about Homelander.",
">\n\nOBGYNs would be a prime example of this, obstetric violence is on the rise (some say 1/4 of women have experienced obstetric violence) and many OBGYNs only care about control, money and their schedule and not their patients and their children.",
">\n\nA doctor told me he wouldn’t look into me having adhd or autism because anxiety and depression were easier to treat. I had a doctor who was only concerned about my weight but didn’t give a shit about what was actually causing me to be overweight. She put me into a weight loss program instead of trying to figure out what was actually wrong. Also broke privilege, that said it wasn’t a medical thing but still shouldn’t have said it.\nOf three doctors I’ve had, the majority have been horrible.",
">\n\nI am not a doctor but I have been working directly with doctors, NPs and PAs for almost 25 years. I can tell you there are those that don't care but so many do. A lot of those that don't care are usually jaded because of the absolute shit they have to deal with. The patients that never follow what they are told to fix something and just call and complain that they're not healed, patients that think there's a magic pill to cure whatever is wrong with them. Then there are the people in charge of the facility's operations and how they require certain steps or time frames for things to be done when those people aren't doctors and have only ever been administrators. There's so much bullshit doctor's have to put up with. \nShit, we still, 3 years into COVID and people still want to come in to the clinic where I work without masks and yell at the people asking them to put a mask on. Patients STILL try to act like \"oh, I don't have COVID. It's just allergies\" and they think antibiotics will cure COVID, a cold and a flu. It's fucking ridiculous.",
">\n\nIt's funny that one argument I hear against socialized medicine is that no one would do it for a lower salary, but instead we have jerks who do it only for a high salary and don't care about patients.",
">\n\nI went to a college with a big nursing program, and man some of them were straight up evil. I mean just stuff that made me TERRIFIED they would be in a place where ethics was necessary. \nI had an acquaintance that was a nurse and man some of her posts during COVID made me want to report her. \nBut I do ascribe to the \"1/3 of the world is insane\" principle, and yeah you run into these people all over the place, but still it's kinda spooky because when you're in the hospital or something you are at their absolute MERCY and it makes me kind of nervous I'll get somebody awful if something happens to me.",
">\n\nWhy I stay as far away from health”care” as possible",
">\n\nso what? it's not a requirement",
">\n\nIf you are a care provider then it is required. It's in the name of the job."
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