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When you are constantly understaffed and patients assault you, yell at you, are demanding, rude, it takes it's toll. I'm not saying healthcare staff have a right to take it out on you but as someone who works in healthcare I can say just because someone isn't super friendly doesn't mean they are not taking care of you or not doing their best to make your stay nice.
A lot of people think they know better than the doctor or nurse and get mad when the nurse or doctor doesn't immediately do what you want or say. When you have asked for the same thing 15 times but we can't give it to you for a medical reason we're not being mean, we're doing our job. | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care.",
">\n\nMany are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.\nMedical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal.",
">\n\nI've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase \"nurses are heroes,\" I think about Homelander.",
">\n\nOBGYNs would be a prime example of this, obstetric violence is on the rise (some say 1/4 of women have experienced obstetric violence) and many OBGYNs only care about control, money and their schedule and not their patients and their children.",
">\n\nA doctor told me he wouldn’t look into me having adhd or autism because anxiety and depression were easier to treat. I had a doctor who was only concerned about my weight but didn’t give a shit about what was actually causing me to be overweight. She put me into a weight loss program instead of trying to figure out what was actually wrong. Also broke privilege, that said it wasn’t a medical thing but still shouldn’t have said it.\nOf three doctors I’ve had, the majority have been horrible.",
">\n\nI am not a doctor but I have been working directly with doctors, NPs and PAs for almost 25 years. I can tell you there are those that don't care but so many do. A lot of those that don't care are usually jaded because of the absolute shit they have to deal with. The patients that never follow what they are told to fix something and just call and complain that they're not healed, patients that think there's a magic pill to cure whatever is wrong with them. Then there are the people in charge of the facility's operations and how they require certain steps or time frames for things to be done when those people aren't doctors and have only ever been administrators. There's so much bullshit doctor's have to put up with. \nShit, we still, 3 years into COVID and people still want to come in to the clinic where I work without masks and yell at the people asking them to put a mask on. Patients STILL try to act like \"oh, I don't have COVID. It's just allergies\" and they think antibiotics will cure COVID, a cold and a flu. It's fucking ridiculous.",
">\n\nIt's funny that one argument I hear against socialized medicine is that no one would do it for a lower salary, but instead we have jerks who do it only for a high salary and don't care about patients.",
">\n\nI went to a college with a big nursing program, and man some of them were straight up evil. I mean just stuff that made me TERRIFIED they would be in a place where ethics was necessary. \nI had an acquaintance that was a nurse and man some of her posts during COVID made me want to report her. \nBut I do ascribe to the \"1/3 of the world is insane\" principle, and yeah you run into these people all over the place, but still it's kinda spooky because when you're in the hospital or something you are at their absolute MERCY and it makes me kind of nervous I'll get somebody awful if something happens to me.",
">\n\nWhy I stay as far away from health”care” as possible",
">\n\nso what? it's not a requirement",
">\n\nIf you are a care provider then it is required. It's in the name of the job.",
">\n\nOh yea let me just fuck up the entire operation because I don’t care about the patient"
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"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care.",
">\n\nMany are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.\nMedical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal.",
">\n\nI've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase \"nurses are heroes,\" I think about Homelander.",
">\n\nOBGYNs would be a prime example of this, obstetric violence is on the rise (some say 1/4 of women have experienced obstetric violence) and many OBGYNs only care about control, money and their schedule and not their patients and their children.",
">\n\nA doctor told me he wouldn’t look into me having adhd or autism because anxiety and depression were easier to treat. I had a doctor who was only concerned about my weight but didn’t give a shit about what was actually causing me to be overweight. She put me into a weight loss program instead of trying to figure out what was actually wrong. Also broke privilege, that said it wasn’t a medical thing but still shouldn’t have said it.\nOf three doctors I’ve had, the majority have been horrible.",
">\n\nI am not a doctor but I have been working directly with doctors, NPs and PAs for almost 25 years. I can tell you there are those that don't care but so many do. A lot of those that don't care are usually jaded because of the absolute shit they have to deal with. The patients that never follow what they are told to fix something and just call and complain that they're not healed, patients that think there's a magic pill to cure whatever is wrong with them. Then there are the people in charge of the facility's operations and how they require certain steps or time frames for things to be done when those people aren't doctors and have only ever been administrators. There's so much bullshit doctor's have to put up with. \nShit, we still, 3 years into COVID and people still want to come in to the clinic where I work without masks and yell at the people asking them to put a mask on. Patients STILL try to act like \"oh, I don't have COVID. It's just allergies\" and they think antibiotics will cure COVID, a cold and a flu. It's fucking ridiculous.",
">\n\nIt's funny that one argument I hear against socialized medicine is that no one would do it for a lower salary, but instead we have jerks who do it only for a high salary and don't care about patients.",
">\n\nI went to a college with a big nursing program, and man some of them were straight up evil. I mean just stuff that made me TERRIFIED they would be in a place where ethics was necessary. \nI had an acquaintance that was a nurse and man some of her posts during COVID made me want to report her. \nBut I do ascribe to the \"1/3 of the world is insane\" principle, and yeah you run into these people all over the place, but still it's kinda spooky because when you're in the hospital or something you are at their absolute MERCY and it makes me kind of nervous I'll get somebody awful if something happens to me.",
">\n\nWhy I stay as far away from health”care” as possible",
">\n\nso what? it's not a requirement",
">\n\nIf you are a care provider then it is required. It's in the name of the job.",
">\n\nOh yea let me just fuck up the entire operation because I don’t care about the patient",
">\n\nWhen you are constantly understaffed and patients assault you, yell at you, are demanding, rude, it takes it's toll. I'm not saying healthcare staff have a right to take it out on you but as someone who works in healthcare I can say just because someone isn't super friendly doesn't mean they are not taking care of you or not doing their best to make your stay nice. \nA lot of people think they know better than the doctor or nurse and get mad when the nurse or doctor doesn't immediately do what you want or say. When you have asked for the same thing 15 times but we can't give it to you for a medical reason we're not being mean, we're doing our job."
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This has been my experience too. And I used to work in medical research and those people aren’t any better - probably worse I’d say. But doctors and nurses being straight up mean for no reason seems to just be getting worse.
I won’t go to the doctor anymore unless I absolutely have to. And sometimes not even then. I broke my nose and got a concussion a couple weeks ago and you couldn’t have paid me enough to go to a doctor for that, I can fix that myself good enough to not bother with the experience of dealing with them. | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care.",
">\n\nMany are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.\nMedical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal.",
">\n\nI've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase \"nurses are heroes,\" I think about Homelander.",
">\n\nOBGYNs would be a prime example of this, obstetric violence is on the rise (some say 1/4 of women have experienced obstetric violence) and many OBGYNs only care about control, money and their schedule and not their patients and their children.",
">\n\nA doctor told me he wouldn’t look into me having adhd or autism because anxiety and depression were easier to treat. I had a doctor who was only concerned about my weight but didn’t give a shit about what was actually causing me to be overweight. She put me into a weight loss program instead of trying to figure out what was actually wrong. Also broke privilege, that said it wasn’t a medical thing but still shouldn’t have said it.\nOf three doctors I’ve had, the majority have been horrible.",
">\n\nI am not a doctor but I have been working directly with doctors, NPs and PAs for almost 25 years. I can tell you there are those that don't care but so many do. A lot of those that don't care are usually jaded because of the absolute shit they have to deal with. The patients that never follow what they are told to fix something and just call and complain that they're not healed, patients that think there's a magic pill to cure whatever is wrong with them. Then there are the people in charge of the facility's operations and how they require certain steps or time frames for things to be done when those people aren't doctors and have only ever been administrators. There's so much bullshit doctor's have to put up with. \nShit, we still, 3 years into COVID and people still want to come in to the clinic where I work without masks and yell at the people asking them to put a mask on. Patients STILL try to act like \"oh, I don't have COVID. It's just allergies\" and they think antibiotics will cure COVID, a cold and a flu. It's fucking ridiculous.",
">\n\nIt's funny that one argument I hear against socialized medicine is that no one would do it for a lower salary, but instead we have jerks who do it only for a high salary and don't care about patients.",
">\n\nI went to a college with a big nursing program, and man some of them were straight up evil. I mean just stuff that made me TERRIFIED they would be in a place where ethics was necessary. \nI had an acquaintance that was a nurse and man some of her posts during COVID made me want to report her. \nBut I do ascribe to the \"1/3 of the world is insane\" principle, and yeah you run into these people all over the place, but still it's kinda spooky because when you're in the hospital or something you are at their absolute MERCY and it makes me kind of nervous I'll get somebody awful if something happens to me.",
">\n\nWhy I stay as far away from health”care” as possible",
">\n\nso what? it's not a requirement",
">\n\nIf you are a care provider then it is required. It's in the name of the job.",
">\n\nOh yea let me just fuck up the entire operation because I don’t care about the patient",
">\n\nWhen you are constantly understaffed and patients assault you, yell at you, are demanding, rude, it takes it's toll. I'm not saying healthcare staff have a right to take it out on you but as someone who works in healthcare I can say just because someone isn't super friendly doesn't mean they are not taking care of you or not doing their best to make your stay nice. \nA lot of people think they know better than the doctor or nurse and get mad when the nurse or doctor doesn't immediately do what you want or say. When you have asked for the same thing 15 times but we can't give it to you for a medical reason we're not being mean, we're doing our job.",
">\n\nYup."
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"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care.",
">\n\nMany are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.\nMedical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal.",
">\n\nI've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase \"nurses are heroes,\" I think about Homelander.",
">\n\nOBGYNs would be a prime example of this, obstetric violence is on the rise (some say 1/4 of women have experienced obstetric violence) and many OBGYNs only care about control, money and their schedule and not their patients and their children.",
">\n\nA doctor told me he wouldn’t look into me having adhd or autism because anxiety and depression were easier to treat. I had a doctor who was only concerned about my weight but didn’t give a shit about what was actually causing me to be overweight. She put me into a weight loss program instead of trying to figure out what was actually wrong. Also broke privilege, that said it wasn’t a medical thing but still shouldn’t have said it.\nOf three doctors I’ve had, the majority have been horrible.",
">\n\nI am not a doctor but I have been working directly with doctors, NPs and PAs for almost 25 years. I can tell you there are those that don't care but so many do. A lot of those that don't care are usually jaded because of the absolute shit they have to deal with. The patients that never follow what they are told to fix something and just call and complain that they're not healed, patients that think there's a magic pill to cure whatever is wrong with them. Then there are the people in charge of the facility's operations and how they require certain steps or time frames for things to be done when those people aren't doctors and have only ever been administrators. There's so much bullshit doctor's have to put up with. \nShit, we still, 3 years into COVID and people still want to come in to the clinic where I work without masks and yell at the people asking them to put a mask on. Patients STILL try to act like \"oh, I don't have COVID. It's just allergies\" and they think antibiotics will cure COVID, a cold and a flu. It's fucking ridiculous.",
">\n\nIt's funny that one argument I hear against socialized medicine is that no one would do it for a lower salary, but instead we have jerks who do it only for a high salary and don't care about patients.",
">\n\nI went to a college with a big nursing program, and man some of them were straight up evil. I mean just stuff that made me TERRIFIED they would be in a place where ethics was necessary. \nI had an acquaintance that was a nurse and man some of her posts during COVID made me want to report her. \nBut I do ascribe to the \"1/3 of the world is insane\" principle, and yeah you run into these people all over the place, but still it's kinda spooky because when you're in the hospital or something you are at their absolute MERCY and it makes me kind of nervous I'll get somebody awful if something happens to me.",
">\n\nWhy I stay as far away from health”care” as possible",
">\n\nso what? it's not a requirement",
">\n\nIf you are a care provider then it is required. It's in the name of the job.",
">\n\nOh yea let me just fuck up the entire operation because I don’t care about the patient",
">\n\nWhen you are constantly understaffed and patients assault you, yell at you, are demanding, rude, it takes it's toll. I'm not saying healthcare staff have a right to take it out on you but as someone who works in healthcare I can say just because someone isn't super friendly doesn't mean they are not taking care of you or not doing their best to make your stay nice. \nA lot of people think they know better than the doctor or nurse and get mad when the nurse or doctor doesn't immediately do what you want or say. When you have asked for the same thing 15 times but we can't give it to you for a medical reason we're not being mean, we're doing our job.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nThis has been my experience too. And I used to work in medical research and those people aren’t any better - probably worse I’d say. But doctors and nurses being straight up mean for no reason seems to just be getting worse. \nI won’t go to the doctor anymore unless I absolutely have to. And sometimes not even then. I broke my nose and got a concussion a couple weeks ago and you couldn’t have paid me enough to go to a doctor for that, I can fix that myself good enough to not bother with the experience of dealing with them."
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Nurses aide here! I agree to an extent. After limping for three weeks due to being beat up by a patient who was not confused, I’m sorry I cannot just be sunshine and rainbows. But as I’ve heard alotnof people in the healthcare profession say, if you don’t like the care, take ‘em home! My favourite is : “ this is a hospital, not a a hotel!” And I actually love my job. There are good days and bad days and unfortunately, we see everyone on their worst days. Treat people how you want to be treated. I’ve said it a million times. One patient even made fun of how I write my name lol they are choosing to be trouble. It’s not all on the staff. | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care.",
">\n\nMany are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.\nMedical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal.",
">\n\nI've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase \"nurses are heroes,\" I think about Homelander.",
">\n\nOBGYNs would be a prime example of this, obstetric violence is on the rise (some say 1/4 of women have experienced obstetric violence) and many OBGYNs only care about control, money and their schedule and not their patients and their children.",
">\n\nA doctor told me he wouldn’t look into me having adhd or autism because anxiety and depression were easier to treat. I had a doctor who was only concerned about my weight but didn’t give a shit about what was actually causing me to be overweight. She put me into a weight loss program instead of trying to figure out what was actually wrong. Also broke privilege, that said it wasn’t a medical thing but still shouldn’t have said it.\nOf three doctors I’ve had, the majority have been horrible.",
">\n\nI am not a doctor but I have been working directly with doctors, NPs and PAs for almost 25 years. I can tell you there are those that don't care but so many do. A lot of those that don't care are usually jaded because of the absolute shit they have to deal with. The patients that never follow what they are told to fix something and just call and complain that they're not healed, patients that think there's a magic pill to cure whatever is wrong with them. Then there are the people in charge of the facility's operations and how they require certain steps or time frames for things to be done when those people aren't doctors and have only ever been administrators. There's so much bullshit doctor's have to put up with. \nShit, we still, 3 years into COVID and people still want to come in to the clinic where I work without masks and yell at the people asking them to put a mask on. Patients STILL try to act like \"oh, I don't have COVID. It's just allergies\" and they think antibiotics will cure COVID, a cold and a flu. It's fucking ridiculous.",
">\n\nIt's funny that one argument I hear against socialized medicine is that no one would do it for a lower salary, but instead we have jerks who do it only for a high salary and don't care about patients.",
">\n\nI went to a college with a big nursing program, and man some of them were straight up evil. I mean just stuff that made me TERRIFIED they would be in a place where ethics was necessary. \nI had an acquaintance that was a nurse and man some of her posts during COVID made me want to report her. \nBut I do ascribe to the \"1/3 of the world is insane\" principle, and yeah you run into these people all over the place, but still it's kinda spooky because when you're in the hospital or something you are at their absolute MERCY and it makes me kind of nervous I'll get somebody awful if something happens to me.",
">\n\nWhy I stay as far away from health”care” as possible",
">\n\nso what? it's not a requirement",
">\n\nIf you are a care provider then it is required. It's in the name of the job.",
">\n\nOh yea let me just fuck up the entire operation because I don’t care about the patient",
">\n\nWhen you are constantly understaffed and patients assault you, yell at you, are demanding, rude, it takes it's toll. I'm not saying healthcare staff have a right to take it out on you but as someone who works in healthcare I can say just because someone isn't super friendly doesn't mean they are not taking care of you or not doing their best to make your stay nice. \nA lot of people think they know better than the doctor or nurse and get mad when the nurse or doctor doesn't immediately do what you want or say. When you have asked for the same thing 15 times but we can't give it to you for a medical reason we're not being mean, we're doing our job.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nThis has been my experience too. And I used to work in medical research and those people aren’t any better - probably worse I’d say. But doctors and nurses being straight up mean for no reason seems to just be getting worse. \nI won’t go to the doctor anymore unless I absolutely have to. And sometimes not even then. I broke my nose and got a concussion a couple weeks ago and you couldn’t have paid me enough to go to a doctor for that, I can fix that myself good enough to not bother with the experience of dealing with them.",
">\n\nDon’t agree!! Every profession has its share of unprofessionals!!"
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I could guess it's because they work in an environment dealing with people and dealing with people especially sick or in pain is draining but that's just my two cents | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care.",
">\n\nMany are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.\nMedical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal.",
">\n\nI've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase \"nurses are heroes,\" I think about Homelander.",
">\n\nOBGYNs would be a prime example of this, obstetric violence is on the rise (some say 1/4 of women have experienced obstetric violence) and many OBGYNs only care about control, money and their schedule and not their patients and their children.",
">\n\nA doctor told me he wouldn’t look into me having adhd or autism because anxiety and depression were easier to treat. I had a doctor who was only concerned about my weight but didn’t give a shit about what was actually causing me to be overweight. She put me into a weight loss program instead of trying to figure out what was actually wrong. Also broke privilege, that said it wasn’t a medical thing but still shouldn’t have said it.\nOf three doctors I’ve had, the majority have been horrible.",
">\n\nI am not a doctor but I have been working directly with doctors, NPs and PAs for almost 25 years. I can tell you there are those that don't care but so many do. A lot of those that don't care are usually jaded because of the absolute shit they have to deal with. The patients that never follow what they are told to fix something and just call and complain that they're not healed, patients that think there's a magic pill to cure whatever is wrong with them. Then there are the people in charge of the facility's operations and how they require certain steps or time frames for things to be done when those people aren't doctors and have only ever been administrators. There's so much bullshit doctor's have to put up with. \nShit, we still, 3 years into COVID and people still want to come in to the clinic where I work without masks and yell at the people asking them to put a mask on. Patients STILL try to act like \"oh, I don't have COVID. It's just allergies\" and they think antibiotics will cure COVID, a cold and a flu. It's fucking ridiculous.",
">\n\nIt's funny that one argument I hear against socialized medicine is that no one would do it for a lower salary, but instead we have jerks who do it only for a high salary and don't care about patients.",
">\n\nI went to a college with a big nursing program, and man some of them were straight up evil. I mean just stuff that made me TERRIFIED they would be in a place where ethics was necessary. \nI had an acquaintance that was a nurse and man some of her posts during COVID made me want to report her. \nBut I do ascribe to the \"1/3 of the world is insane\" principle, and yeah you run into these people all over the place, but still it's kinda spooky because when you're in the hospital or something you are at their absolute MERCY and it makes me kind of nervous I'll get somebody awful if something happens to me.",
">\n\nWhy I stay as far away from health”care” as possible",
">\n\nso what? it's not a requirement",
">\n\nIf you are a care provider then it is required. It's in the name of the job.",
">\n\nOh yea let me just fuck up the entire operation because I don’t care about the patient",
">\n\nWhen you are constantly understaffed and patients assault you, yell at you, are demanding, rude, it takes it's toll. I'm not saying healthcare staff have a right to take it out on you but as someone who works in healthcare I can say just because someone isn't super friendly doesn't mean they are not taking care of you or not doing their best to make your stay nice. \nA lot of people think they know better than the doctor or nurse and get mad when the nurse or doctor doesn't immediately do what you want or say. When you have asked for the same thing 15 times but we can't give it to you for a medical reason we're not being mean, we're doing our job.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nThis has been my experience too. And I used to work in medical research and those people aren’t any better - probably worse I’d say. But doctors and nurses being straight up mean for no reason seems to just be getting worse. \nI won’t go to the doctor anymore unless I absolutely have to. And sometimes not even then. I broke my nose and got a concussion a couple weeks ago and you couldn’t have paid me enough to go to a doctor for that, I can fix that myself good enough to not bother with the experience of dealing with them.",
">\n\nDon’t agree!! Every profession has its share of unprofessionals!!",
">\n\nNurses aide here! I agree to an extent. After limping for three weeks due to being beat up by a patient who was not confused, I’m sorry I cannot just be sunshine and rainbows. But as I’ve heard alotnof people in the healthcare profession say, if you don’t like the care, take ‘em home! My favourite is : “ this is a hospital, not a a hotel!” And I actually love my job. There are good days and bad days and unfortunately, we see everyone on their worst days. Treat people how you want to be treated. I’ve said it a million times. One patient even made fun of how I write my name lol they are choosing to be trouble. It’s not all on the staff."
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Last year. Covid restrictions were high. Masks. Social distance. All of that. My mom was in a head on collision. She was ok, but we didn’t know that. She was taken to the nearest hospital via ambulance and left in the hallway by a nurse’s station for 6 hours. She was uncomfortable and laying on a stretcher with a neck brace. No doctor or nurse came to talk to her.
We were in the waiting room. Begging for one of us to go back there to be with her. We would ask if she was alive, able to communicate, or the simplest of updates. They said they couldn’t tell us until a doctor saw her. Very coldly. My dad just stood there watching the doors. Didn’t sit down. I have never seen him so angry.
Finally they got her a room. Then allowed 2 visitors at a time. On the way there I was expecting to see packed rooms and frantic, tired looking nurses who were overworked. Nope. So many empty rooms. 8 or so nurses standing around a station. No sense or urgency. No doctor ever did check her. So all of the that for nothing. I can honestly say I’ve never had a positive or warm experience in a hospital. | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care.",
">\n\nMany are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.\nMedical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal.",
">\n\nI've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase \"nurses are heroes,\" I think about Homelander.",
">\n\nOBGYNs would be a prime example of this, obstetric violence is on the rise (some say 1/4 of women have experienced obstetric violence) and many OBGYNs only care about control, money and their schedule and not their patients and their children.",
">\n\nA doctor told me he wouldn’t look into me having adhd or autism because anxiety and depression were easier to treat. I had a doctor who was only concerned about my weight but didn’t give a shit about what was actually causing me to be overweight. She put me into a weight loss program instead of trying to figure out what was actually wrong. Also broke privilege, that said it wasn’t a medical thing but still shouldn’t have said it.\nOf three doctors I’ve had, the majority have been horrible.",
">\n\nI am not a doctor but I have been working directly with doctors, NPs and PAs for almost 25 years. I can tell you there are those that don't care but so many do. A lot of those that don't care are usually jaded because of the absolute shit they have to deal with. The patients that never follow what they are told to fix something and just call and complain that they're not healed, patients that think there's a magic pill to cure whatever is wrong with them. Then there are the people in charge of the facility's operations and how they require certain steps or time frames for things to be done when those people aren't doctors and have only ever been administrators. There's so much bullshit doctor's have to put up with. \nShit, we still, 3 years into COVID and people still want to come in to the clinic where I work without masks and yell at the people asking them to put a mask on. Patients STILL try to act like \"oh, I don't have COVID. It's just allergies\" and they think antibiotics will cure COVID, a cold and a flu. It's fucking ridiculous.",
">\n\nIt's funny that one argument I hear against socialized medicine is that no one would do it for a lower salary, but instead we have jerks who do it only for a high salary and don't care about patients.",
">\n\nI went to a college with a big nursing program, and man some of them were straight up evil. I mean just stuff that made me TERRIFIED they would be in a place where ethics was necessary. \nI had an acquaintance that was a nurse and man some of her posts during COVID made me want to report her. \nBut I do ascribe to the \"1/3 of the world is insane\" principle, and yeah you run into these people all over the place, but still it's kinda spooky because when you're in the hospital or something you are at their absolute MERCY and it makes me kind of nervous I'll get somebody awful if something happens to me.",
">\n\nWhy I stay as far away from health”care” as possible",
">\n\nso what? it's not a requirement",
">\n\nIf you are a care provider then it is required. It's in the name of the job.",
">\n\nOh yea let me just fuck up the entire operation because I don’t care about the patient",
">\n\nWhen you are constantly understaffed and patients assault you, yell at you, are demanding, rude, it takes it's toll. I'm not saying healthcare staff have a right to take it out on you but as someone who works in healthcare I can say just because someone isn't super friendly doesn't mean they are not taking care of you or not doing their best to make your stay nice. \nA lot of people think they know better than the doctor or nurse and get mad when the nurse or doctor doesn't immediately do what you want or say. When you have asked for the same thing 15 times but we can't give it to you for a medical reason we're not being mean, we're doing our job.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nThis has been my experience too. And I used to work in medical research and those people aren’t any better - probably worse I’d say. But doctors and nurses being straight up mean for no reason seems to just be getting worse. \nI won’t go to the doctor anymore unless I absolutely have to. And sometimes not even then. I broke my nose and got a concussion a couple weeks ago and you couldn’t have paid me enough to go to a doctor for that, I can fix that myself good enough to not bother with the experience of dealing with them.",
">\n\nDon’t agree!! Every profession has its share of unprofessionals!!",
">\n\nNurses aide here! I agree to an extent. After limping for three weeks due to being beat up by a patient who was not confused, I’m sorry I cannot just be sunshine and rainbows. But as I’ve heard alotnof people in the healthcare profession say, if you don’t like the care, take ‘em home! My favourite is : “ this is a hospital, not a a hotel!” And I actually love my job. There are good days and bad days and unfortunately, we see everyone on their worst days. Treat people how you want to be treated. I’ve said it a million times. One patient even made fun of how I write my name lol they are choosing to be trouble. It’s not all on the staff.",
">\n\nI could guess it's because they work in an environment dealing with people and dealing with people especially sick or in pain is draining but that's just my two cents"
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"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care.",
">\n\nMany are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.\nMedical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal.",
">\n\nI've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase \"nurses are heroes,\" I think about Homelander.",
">\n\nOBGYNs would be a prime example of this, obstetric violence is on the rise (some say 1/4 of women have experienced obstetric violence) and many OBGYNs only care about control, money and their schedule and not their patients and their children.",
">\n\nA doctor told me he wouldn’t look into me having adhd or autism because anxiety and depression were easier to treat. I had a doctor who was only concerned about my weight but didn’t give a shit about what was actually causing me to be overweight. She put me into a weight loss program instead of trying to figure out what was actually wrong. Also broke privilege, that said it wasn’t a medical thing but still shouldn’t have said it.\nOf three doctors I’ve had, the majority have been horrible.",
">\n\nI am not a doctor but I have been working directly with doctors, NPs and PAs for almost 25 years. I can tell you there are those that don't care but so many do. A lot of those that don't care are usually jaded because of the absolute shit they have to deal with. The patients that never follow what they are told to fix something and just call and complain that they're not healed, patients that think there's a magic pill to cure whatever is wrong with them. Then there are the people in charge of the facility's operations and how they require certain steps or time frames for things to be done when those people aren't doctors and have only ever been administrators. There's so much bullshit doctor's have to put up with. \nShit, we still, 3 years into COVID and people still want to come in to the clinic where I work without masks and yell at the people asking them to put a mask on. Patients STILL try to act like \"oh, I don't have COVID. It's just allergies\" and they think antibiotics will cure COVID, a cold and a flu. It's fucking ridiculous.",
">\n\nIt's funny that one argument I hear against socialized medicine is that no one would do it for a lower salary, but instead we have jerks who do it only for a high salary and don't care about patients.",
">\n\nI went to a college with a big nursing program, and man some of them were straight up evil. I mean just stuff that made me TERRIFIED they would be in a place where ethics was necessary. \nI had an acquaintance that was a nurse and man some of her posts during COVID made me want to report her. \nBut I do ascribe to the \"1/3 of the world is insane\" principle, and yeah you run into these people all over the place, but still it's kinda spooky because when you're in the hospital or something you are at their absolute MERCY and it makes me kind of nervous I'll get somebody awful if something happens to me.",
">\n\nWhy I stay as far away from health”care” as possible",
">\n\nso what? it's not a requirement",
">\n\nIf you are a care provider then it is required. It's in the name of the job.",
">\n\nOh yea let me just fuck up the entire operation because I don’t care about the patient",
">\n\nWhen you are constantly understaffed and patients assault you, yell at you, are demanding, rude, it takes it's toll. I'm not saying healthcare staff have a right to take it out on you but as someone who works in healthcare I can say just because someone isn't super friendly doesn't mean they are not taking care of you or not doing their best to make your stay nice. \nA lot of people think they know better than the doctor or nurse and get mad when the nurse or doctor doesn't immediately do what you want or say. When you have asked for the same thing 15 times but we can't give it to you for a medical reason we're not being mean, we're doing our job.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nThis has been my experience too. And I used to work in medical research and those people aren’t any better - probably worse I’d say. But doctors and nurses being straight up mean for no reason seems to just be getting worse. \nI won’t go to the doctor anymore unless I absolutely have to. And sometimes not even then. I broke my nose and got a concussion a couple weeks ago and you couldn’t have paid me enough to go to a doctor for that, I can fix that myself good enough to not bother with the experience of dealing with them.",
">\n\nDon’t agree!! Every profession has its share of unprofessionals!!",
">\n\nNurses aide here! I agree to an extent. After limping for three weeks due to being beat up by a patient who was not confused, I’m sorry I cannot just be sunshine and rainbows. But as I’ve heard alotnof people in the healthcare profession say, if you don’t like the care, take ‘em home! My favourite is : “ this is a hospital, not a a hotel!” And I actually love my job. There are good days and bad days and unfortunately, we see everyone on their worst days. Treat people how you want to be treated. I’ve said it a million times. One patient even made fun of how I write my name lol they are choosing to be trouble. It’s not all on the staff.",
">\n\nI could guess it's because they work in an environment dealing with people and dealing with people especially sick or in pain is draining but that's just my two cents",
">\n\nLast year. Covid restrictions were high. Masks. Social distance. All of that. My mom was in a head on collision. She was ok, but we didn’t know that. She was taken to the nearest hospital via ambulance and left in the hallway by a nurse’s station for 6 hours. She was uncomfortable and laying on a stretcher with a neck brace. No doctor or nurse came to talk to her. \nWe were in the waiting room. Begging for one of us to go back there to be with her. We would ask if she was alive, able to communicate, or the simplest of updates. They said they couldn’t tell us until a doctor saw her. Very coldly. My dad just stood there watching the doors. Didn’t sit down. I have never seen him so angry. \nFinally they got her a room. Then allowed 2 visitors at a time. On the way there I was expecting to see packed rooms and frantic, tired looking nurses who were overworked. Nope. So many empty rooms. 8 or so nurses standing around a station. No sense or urgency. No doctor ever did check her. So all of the that for nothing. I can honestly say I’ve never had a positive or warm experience in a hospital."
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"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care.",
">\n\nMany are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.\nMedical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal.",
">\n\nI've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase \"nurses are heroes,\" I think about Homelander.",
">\n\nOBGYNs would be a prime example of this, obstetric violence is on the rise (some say 1/4 of women have experienced obstetric violence) and many OBGYNs only care about control, money and their schedule and not their patients and their children.",
">\n\nA doctor told me he wouldn’t look into me having adhd or autism because anxiety and depression were easier to treat. I had a doctor who was only concerned about my weight but didn’t give a shit about what was actually causing me to be overweight. She put me into a weight loss program instead of trying to figure out what was actually wrong. Also broke privilege, that said it wasn’t a medical thing but still shouldn’t have said it.\nOf three doctors I’ve had, the majority have been horrible.",
">\n\nI am not a doctor but I have been working directly with doctors, NPs and PAs for almost 25 years. I can tell you there are those that don't care but so many do. A lot of those that don't care are usually jaded because of the absolute shit they have to deal with. The patients that never follow what they are told to fix something and just call and complain that they're not healed, patients that think there's a magic pill to cure whatever is wrong with them. Then there are the people in charge of the facility's operations and how they require certain steps or time frames for things to be done when those people aren't doctors and have only ever been administrators. There's so much bullshit doctor's have to put up with. \nShit, we still, 3 years into COVID and people still want to come in to the clinic where I work without masks and yell at the people asking them to put a mask on. Patients STILL try to act like \"oh, I don't have COVID. It's just allergies\" and they think antibiotics will cure COVID, a cold and a flu. It's fucking ridiculous.",
">\n\nIt's funny that one argument I hear against socialized medicine is that no one would do it for a lower salary, but instead we have jerks who do it only for a high salary and don't care about patients.",
">\n\nI went to a college with a big nursing program, and man some of them were straight up evil. I mean just stuff that made me TERRIFIED they would be in a place where ethics was necessary. \nI had an acquaintance that was a nurse and man some of her posts during COVID made me want to report her. \nBut I do ascribe to the \"1/3 of the world is insane\" principle, and yeah you run into these people all over the place, but still it's kinda spooky because when you're in the hospital or something you are at their absolute MERCY and it makes me kind of nervous I'll get somebody awful if something happens to me.",
">\n\nWhy I stay as far away from health”care” as possible",
">\n\nso what? it's not a requirement",
">\n\nIf you are a care provider then it is required. It's in the name of the job.",
">\n\nOh yea let me just fuck up the entire operation because I don’t care about the patient",
">\n\nWhen you are constantly understaffed and patients assault you, yell at you, are demanding, rude, it takes it's toll. I'm not saying healthcare staff have a right to take it out on you but as someone who works in healthcare I can say just because someone isn't super friendly doesn't mean they are not taking care of you or not doing their best to make your stay nice. \nA lot of people think they know better than the doctor or nurse and get mad when the nurse or doctor doesn't immediately do what you want or say. When you have asked for the same thing 15 times but we can't give it to you for a medical reason we're not being mean, we're doing our job.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nThis has been my experience too. And I used to work in medical research and those people aren’t any better - probably worse I’d say. But doctors and nurses being straight up mean for no reason seems to just be getting worse. \nI won’t go to the doctor anymore unless I absolutely have to. And sometimes not even then. I broke my nose and got a concussion a couple weeks ago and you couldn’t have paid me enough to go to a doctor for that, I can fix that myself good enough to not bother with the experience of dealing with them.",
">\n\nDon’t agree!! Every profession has its share of unprofessionals!!",
">\n\nNurses aide here! I agree to an extent. After limping for three weeks due to being beat up by a patient who was not confused, I’m sorry I cannot just be sunshine and rainbows. But as I’ve heard alotnof people in the healthcare profession say, if you don’t like the care, take ‘em home! My favourite is : “ this is a hospital, not a a hotel!” And I actually love my job. There are good days and bad days and unfortunately, we see everyone on their worst days. Treat people how you want to be treated. I’ve said it a million times. One patient even made fun of how I write my name lol they are choosing to be trouble. It’s not all on the staff.",
">\n\nI could guess it's because they work in an environment dealing with people and dealing with people especially sick or in pain is draining but that's just my two cents",
">\n\nLast year. Covid restrictions were high. Masks. Social distance. All of that. My mom was in a head on collision. She was ok, but we didn’t know that. She was taken to the nearest hospital via ambulance and left in the hallway by a nurse’s station for 6 hours. She was uncomfortable and laying on a stretcher with a neck brace. No doctor or nurse came to talk to her. \nWe were in the waiting room. Begging for one of us to go back there to be with her. We would ask if she was alive, able to communicate, or the simplest of updates. They said they couldn’t tell us until a doctor saw her. Very coldly. My dad just stood there watching the doors. Didn’t sit down. I have never seen him so angry. \nFinally they got her a room. Then allowed 2 visitors at a time. On the way there I was expecting to see packed rooms and frantic, tired looking nurses who were overworked. Nope. So many empty rooms. 8 or so nurses standing around a station. No sense or urgency. No doctor ever did check her. So all of the that for nothing. I can honestly say I’ve never had a positive or warm experience in a hospital.",
">\n\nUsually, when you aren't a massive prick they are nice. So maybe that's on you"
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"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care.",
">\n\nMany are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.\nMedical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal.",
">\n\nI've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase \"nurses are heroes,\" I think about Homelander.",
">\n\nOBGYNs would be a prime example of this, obstetric violence is on the rise (some say 1/4 of women have experienced obstetric violence) and many OBGYNs only care about control, money and their schedule and not their patients and their children.",
">\n\nA doctor told me he wouldn’t look into me having adhd or autism because anxiety and depression were easier to treat. I had a doctor who was only concerned about my weight but didn’t give a shit about what was actually causing me to be overweight. She put me into a weight loss program instead of trying to figure out what was actually wrong. Also broke privilege, that said it wasn’t a medical thing but still shouldn’t have said it.\nOf three doctors I’ve had, the majority have been horrible.",
">\n\nI am not a doctor but I have been working directly with doctors, NPs and PAs for almost 25 years. I can tell you there are those that don't care but so many do. A lot of those that don't care are usually jaded because of the absolute shit they have to deal with. The patients that never follow what they are told to fix something and just call and complain that they're not healed, patients that think there's a magic pill to cure whatever is wrong with them. Then there are the people in charge of the facility's operations and how they require certain steps or time frames for things to be done when those people aren't doctors and have only ever been administrators. There's so much bullshit doctor's have to put up with. \nShit, we still, 3 years into COVID and people still want to come in to the clinic where I work without masks and yell at the people asking them to put a mask on. Patients STILL try to act like \"oh, I don't have COVID. It's just allergies\" and they think antibiotics will cure COVID, a cold and a flu. It's fucking ridiculous.",
">\n\nIt's funny that one argument I hear against socialized medicine is that no one would do it for a lower salary, but instead we have jerks who do it only for a high salary and don't care about patients.",
">\n\nI went to a college with a big nursing program, and man some of them were straight up evil. I mean just stuff that made me TERRIFIED they would be in a place where ethics was necessary. \nI had an acquaintance that was a nurse and man some of her posts during COVID made me want to report her. \nBut I do ascribe to the \"1/3 of the world is insane\" principle, and yeah you run into these people all over the place, but still it's kinda spooky because when you're in the hospital or something you are at their absolute MERCY and it makes me kind of nervous I'll get somebody awful if something happens to me.",
">\n\nWhy I stay as far away from health”care” as possible",
">\n\nso what? it's not a requirement",
">\n\nIf you are a care provider then it is required. It's in the name of the job.",
">\n\nOh yea let me just fuck up the entire operation because I don’t care about the patient",
">\n\nWhen you are constantly understaffed and patients assault you, yell at you, are demanding, rude, it takes it's toll. I'm not saying healthcare staff have a right to take it out on you but as someone who works in healthcare I can say just because someone isn't super friendly doesn't mean they are not taking care of you or not doing their best to make your stay nice. \nA lot of people think they know better than the doctor or nurse and get mad when the nurse or doctor doesn't immediately do what you want or say. When you have asked for the same thing 15 times but we can't give it to you for a medical reason we're not being mean, we're doing our job.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nThis has been my experience too. And I used to work in medical research and those people aren’t any better - probably worse I’d say. But doctors and nurses being straight up mean for no reason seems to just be getting worse. \nI won’t go to the doctor anymore unless I absolutely have to. And sometimes not even then. I broke my nose and got a concussion a couple weeks ago and you couldn’t have paid me enough to go to a doctor for that, I can fix that myself good enough to not bother with the experience of dealing with them.",
">\n\nDon’t agree!! Every profession has its share of unprofessionals!!",
">\n\nNurses aide here! I agree to an extent. After limping for three weeks due to being beat up by a patient who was not confused, I’m sorry I cannot just be sunshine and rainbows. But as I’ve heard alotnof people in the healthcare profession say, if you don’t like the care, take ‘em home! My favourite is : “ this is a hospital, not a a hotel!” And I actually love my job. There are good days and bad days and unfortunately, we see everyone on their worst days. Treat people how you want to be treated. I’ve said it a million times. One patient even made fun of how I write my name lol they are choosing to be trouble. It’s not all on the staff.",
">\n\nI could guess it's because they work in an environment dealing with people and dealing with people especially sick or in pain is draining but that's just my two cents",
">\n\nLast year. Covid restrictions were high. Masks. Social distance. All of that. My mom was in a head on collision. She was ok, but we didn’t know that. She was taken to the nearest hospital via ambulance and left in the hallway by a nurse’s station for 6 hours. She was uncomfortable and laying on a stretcher with a neck brace. No doctor or nurse came to talk to her. \nWe were in the waiting room. Begging for one of us to go back there to be with her. We would ask if she was alive, able to communicate, or the simplest of updates. They said they couldn’t tell us until a doctor saw her. Very coldly. My dad just stood there watching the doors. Didn’t sit down. I have never seen him so angry. \nFinally they got her a room. Then allowed 2 visitors at a time. On the way there I was expecting to see packed rooms and frantic, tired looking nurses who were overworked. Nope. So many empty rooms. 8 or so nurses standing around a station. No sense or urgency. No doctor ever did check her. So all of the that for nothing. I can honestly say I’ve never had a positive or warm experience in a hospital.",
">\n\nUsually, when you aren't a massive prick they are nice. So maybe that's on you",
">\n\nMost doctors are smart. Thats about it. Being smart =/= social skills"
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"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care.",
">\n\nMany are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.\nMedical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal.",
">\n\nI've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase \"nurses are heroes,\" I think about Homelander.",
">\n\nOBGYNs would be a prime example of this, obstetric violence is on the rise (some say 1/4 of women have experienced obstetric violence) and many OBGYNs only care about control, money and their schedule and not their patients and their children.",
">\n\nA doctor told me he wouldn’t look into me having adhd or autism because anxiety and depression were easier to treat. I had a doctor who was only concerned about my weight but didn’t give a shit about what was actually causing me to be overweight. She put me into a weight loss program instead of trying to figure out what was actually wrong. Also broke privilege, that said it wasn’t a medical thing but still shouldn’t have said it.\nOf three doctors I’ve had, the majority have been horrible.",
">\n\nI am not a doctor but I have been working directly with doctors, NPs and PAs for almost 25 years. I can tell you there are those that don't care but so many do. A lot of those that don't care are usually jaded because of the absolute shit they have to deal with. The patients that never follow what they are told to fix something and just call and complain that they're not healed, patients that think there's a magic pill to cure whatever is wrong with them. Then there are the people in charge of the facility's operations and how they require certain steps or time frames for things to be done when those people aren't doctors and have only ever been administrators. There's so much bullshit doctor's have to put up with. \nShit, we still, 3 years into COVID and people still want to come in to the clinic where I work without masks and yell at the people asking them to put a mask on. Patients STILL try to act like \"oh, I don't have COVID. It's just allergies\" and they think antibiotics will cure COVID, a cold and a flu. It's fucking ridiculous.",
">\n\nIt's funny that one argument I hear against socialized medicine is that no one would do it for a lower salary, but instead we have jerks who do it only for a high salary and don't care about patients.",
">\n\nI went to a college with a big nursing program, and man some of them were straight up evil. I mean just stuff that made me TERRIFIED they would be in a place where ethics was necessary. \nI had an acquaintance that was a nurse and man some of her posts during COVID made me want to report her. \nBut I do ascribe to the \"1/3 of the world is insane\" principle, and yeah you run into these people all over the place, but still it's kinda spooky because when you're in the hospital or something you are at their absolute MERCY and it makes me kind of nervous I'll get somebody awful if something happens to me.",
">\n\nWhy I stay as far away from health”care” as possible",
">\n\nso what? it's not a requirement",
">\n\nIf you are a care provider then it is required. It's in the name of the job.",
">\n\nOh yea let me just fuck up the entire operation because I don’t care about the patient",
">\n\nWhen you are constantly understaffed and patients assault you, yell at you, are demanding, rude, it takes it's toll. I'm not saying healthcare staff have a right to take it out on you but as someone who works in healthcare I can say just because someone isn't super friendly doesn't mean they are not taking care of you or not doing their best to make your stay nice. \nA lot of people think they know better than the doctor or nurse and get mad when the nurse or doctor doesn't immediately do what you want or say. When you have asked for the same thing 15 times but we can't give it to you for a medical reason we're not being mean, we're doing our job.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nThis has been my experience too. And I used to work in medical research and those people aren’t any better - probably worse I’d say. But doctors and nurses being straight up mean for no reason seems to just be getting worse. \nI won’t go to the doctor anymore unless I absolutely have to. And sometimes not even then. I broke my nose and got a concussion a couple weeks ago and you couldn’t have paid me enough to go to a doctor for that, I can fix that myself good enough to not bother with the experience of dealing with them.",
">\n\nDon’t agree!! Every profession has its share of unprofessionals!!",
">\n\nNurses aide here! I agree to an extent. After limping for three weeks due to being beat up by a patient who was not confused, I’m sorry I cannot just be sunshine and rainbows. But as I’ve heard alotnof people in the healthcare profession say, if you don’t like the care, take ‘em home! My favourite is : “ this is a hospital, not a a hotel!” And I actually love my job. There are good days and bad days and unfortunately, we see everyone on their worst days. Treat people how you want to be treated. I’ve said it a million times. One patient even made fun of how I write my name lol they are choosing to be trouble. It’s not all on the staff.",
">\n\nI could guess it's because they work in an environment dealing with people and dealing with people especially sick or in pain is draining but that's just my two cents",
">\n\nLast year. Covid restrictions were high. Masks. Social distance. All of that. My mom was in a head on collision. She was ok, but we didn’t know that. She was taken to the nearest hospital via ambulance and left in the hallway by a nurse’s station for 6 hours. She was uncomfortable and laying on a stretcher with a neck brace. No doctor or nurse came to talk to her. \nWe were in the waiting room. Begging for one of us to go back there to be with her. We would ask if she was alive, able to communicate, or the simplest of updates. They said they couldn’t tell us until a doctor saw her. Very coldly. My dad just stood there watching the doors. Didn’t sit down. I have never seen him so angry. \nFinally they got her a room. Then allowed 2 visitors at a time. On the way there I was expecting to see packed rooms and frantic, tired looking nurses who were overworked. Nope. So many empty rooms. 8 or so nurses standing around a station. No sense or urgency. No doctor ever did check her. So all of the that for nothing. I can honestly say I’ve never had a positive or warm experience in a hospital.",
">\n\nUsually, when you aren't a massive prick they are nice. So maybe that's on you",
">\n\nMost doctors are smart. Thats about it. Being smart =/= social skills",
">\n\nThe way I see it is that I'm paying for their smart brains not their people skills."
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"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care.",
">\n\nMany are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.\nMedical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal.",
">\n\nI've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase \"nurses are heroes,\" I think about Homelander.",
">\n\nOBGYNs would be a prime example of this, obstetric violence is on the rise (some say 1/4 of women have experienced obstetric violence) and many OBGYNs only care about control, money and their schedule and not their patients and their children.",
">\n\nA doctor told me he wouldn’t look into me having adhd or autism because anxiety and depression were easier to treat. I had a doctor who was only concerned about my weight but didn’t give a shit about what was actually causing me to be overweight. She put me into a weight loss program instead of trying to figure out what was actually wrong. Also broke privilege, that said it wasn’t a medical thing but still shouldn’t have said it.\nOf three doctors I’ve had, the majority have been horrible.",
">\n\nI am not a doctor but I have been working directly with doctors, NPs and PAs for almost 25 years. I can tell you there are those that don't care but so many do. A lot of those that don't care are usually jaded because of the absolute shit they have to deal with. The patients that never follow what they are told to fix something and just call and complain that they're not healed, patients that think there's a magic pill to cure whatever is wrong with them. Then there are the people in charge of the facility's operations and how they require certain steps or time frames for things to be done when those people aren't doctors and have only ever been administrators. There's so much bullshit doctor's have to put up with. \nShit, we still, 3 years into COVID and people still want to come in to the clinic where I work without masks and yell at the people asking them to put a mask on. Patients STILL try to act like \"oh, I don't have COVID. It's just allergies\" and they think antibiotics will cure COVID, a cold and a flu. It's fucking ridiculous.",
">\n\nIt's funny that one argument I hear against socialized medicine is that no one would do it for a lower salary, but instead we have jerks who do it only for a high salary and don't care about patients.",
">\n\nI went to a college with a big nursing program, and man some of them were straight up evil. I mean just stuff that made me TERRIFIED they would be in a place where ethics was necessary. \nI had an acquaintance that was a nurse and man some of her posts during COVID made me want to report her. \nBut I do ascribe to the \"1/3 of the world is insane\" principle, and yeah you run into these people all over the place, but still it's kinda spooky because when you're in the hospital or something you are at their absolute MERCY and it makes me kind of nervous I'll get somebody awful if something happens to me.",
">\n\nWhy I stay as far away from health”care” as possible",
">\n\nso what? it's not a requirement",
">\n\nIf you are a care provider then it is required. It's in the name of the job.",
">\n\nOh yea let me just fuck up the entire operation because I don’t care about the patient",
">\n\nWhen you are constantly understaffed and patients assault you, yell at you, are demanding, rude, it takes it's toll. I'm not saying healthcare staff have a right to take it out on you but as someone who works in healthcare I can say just because someone isn't super friendly doesn't mean they are not taking care of you or not doing their best to make your stay nice. \nA lot of people think they know better than the doctor or nurse and get mad when the nurse or doctor doesn't immediately do what you want or say. When you have asked for the same thing 15 times but we can't give it to you for a medical reason we're not being mean, we're doing our job.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nThis has been my experience too. And I used to work in medical research and those people aren’t any better - probably worse I’d say. But doctors and nurses being straight up mean for no reason seems to just be getting worse. \nI won’t go to the doctor anymore unless I absolutely have to. And sometimes not even then. I broke my nose and got a concussion a couple weeks ago and you couldn’t have paid me enough to go to a doctor for that, I can fix that myself good enough to not bother with the experience of dealing with them.",
">\n\nDon’t agree!! Every profession has its share of unprofessionals!!",
">\n\nNurses aide here! I agree to an extent. After limping for three weeks due to being beat up by a patient who was not confused, I’m sorry I cannot just be sunshine and rainbows. But as I’ve heard alotnof people in the healthcare profession say, if you don’t like the care, take ‘em home! My favourite is : “ this is a hospital, not a a hotel!” And I actually love my job. There are good days and bad days and unfortunately, we see everyone on their worst days. Treat people how you want to be treated. I’ve said it a million times. One patient even made fun of how I write my name lol they are choosing to be trouble. It’s not all on the staff.",
">\n\nI could guess it's because they work in an environment dealing with people and dealing with people especially sick or in pain is draining but that's just my two cents",
">\n\nLast year. Covid restrictions were high. Masks. Social distance. All of that. My mom was in a head on collision. She was ok, but we didn’t know that. She was taken to the nearest hospital via ambulance and left in the hallway by a nurse’s station for 6 hours. She was uncomfortable and laying on a stretcher with a neck brace. No doctor or nurse came to talk to her. \nWe were in the waiting room. Begging for one of us to go back there to be with her. We would ask if she was alive, able to communicate, or the simplest of updates. They said they couldn’t tell us until a doctor saw her. Very coldly. My dad just stood there watching the doors. Didn’t sit down. I have never seen him so angry. \nFinally they got her a room. Then allowed 2 visitors at a time. On the way there I was expecting to see packed rooms and frantic, tired looking nurses who were overworked. Nope. So many empty rooms. 8 or so nurses standing around a station. No sense or urgency. No doctor ever did check her. So all of the that for nothing. I can honestly say I’ve never had a positive or warm experience in a hospital.",
">\n\nUsually, when you aren't a massive prick they are nice. So maybe that's on you",
">\n\nMost doctors are smart. Thats about it. Being smart =/= social skills",
">\n\nThe way I see it is that I'm paying for their smart brains not their people skills.",
">\n\n*a lot of the medical profession isn't"
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"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care.",
">\n\nMany are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.\nMedical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal.",
">\n\nI've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase \"nurses are heroes,\" I think about Homelander.",
">\n\nOBGYNs would be a prime example of this, obstetric violence is on the rise (some say 1/4 of women have experienced obstetric violence) and many OBGYNs only care about control, money and their schedule and not their patients and their children.",
">\n\nA doctor told me he wouldn’t look into me having adhd or autism because anxiety and depression were easier to treat. I had a doctor who was only concerned about my weight but didn’t give a shit about what was actually causing me to be overweight. She put me into a weight loss program instead of trying to figure out what was actually wrong. Also broke privilege, that said it wasn’t a medical thing but still shouldn’t have said it.\nOf three doctors I’ve had, the majority have been horrible.",
">\n\nI am not a doctor but I have been working directly with doctors, NPs and PAs for almost 25 years. I can tell you there are those that don't care but so many do. A lot of those that don't care are usually jaded because of the absolute shit they have to deal with. The patients that never follow what they are told to fix something and just call and complain that they're not healed, patients that think there's a magic pill to cure whatever is wrong with them. Then there are the people in charge of the facility's operations and how they require certain steps or time frames for things to be done when those people aren't doctors and have only ever been administrators. There's so much bullshit doctor's have to put up with. \nShit, we still, 3 years into COVID and people still want to come in to the clinic where I work without masks and yell at the people asking them to put a mask on. Patients STILL try to act like \"oh, I don't have COVID. It's just allergies\" and they think antibiotics will cure COVID, a cold and a flu. It's fucking ridiculous.",
">\n\nIt's funny that one argument I hear against socialized medicine is that no one would do it for a lower salary, but instead we have jerks who do it only for a high salary and don't care about patients.",
">\n\nI went to a college with a big nursing program, and man some of them were straight up evil. I mean just stuff that made me TERRIFIED they would be in a place where ethics was necessary. \nI had an acquaintance that was a nurse and man some of her posts during COVID made me want to report her. \nBut I do ascribe to the \"1/3 of the world is insane\" principle, and yeah you run into these people all over the place, but still it's kinda spooky because when you're in the hospital or something you are at their absolute MERCY and it makes me kind of nervous I'll get somebody awful if something happens to me.",
">\n\nWhy I stay as far away from health”care” as possible",
">\n\nso what? it's not a requirement",
">\n\nIf you are a care provider then it is required. It's in the name of the job.",
">\n\nOh yea let me just fuck up the entire operation because I don’t care about the patient",
">\n\nWhen you are constantly understaffed and patients assault you, yell at you, are demanding, rude, it takes it's toll. I'm not saying healthcare staff have a right to take it out on you but as someone who works in healthcare I can say just because someone isn't super friendly doesn't mean they are not taking care of you or not doing their best to make your stay nice. \nA lot of people think they know better than the doctor or nurse and get mad when the nurse or doctor doesn't immediately do what you want or say. When you have asked for the same thing 15 times but we can't give it to you for a medical reason we're not being mean, we're doing our job.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nThis has been my experience too. And I used to work in medical research and those people aren’t any better - probably worse I’d say. But doctors and nurses being straight up mean for no reason seems to just be getting worse. \nI won’t go to the doctor anymore unless I absolutely have to. And sometimes not even then. I broke my nose and got a concussion a couple weeks ago and you couldn’t have paid me enough to go to a doctor for that, I can fix that myself good enough to not bother with the experience of dealing with them.",
">\n\nDon’t agree!! Every profession has its share of unprofessionals!!",
">\n\nNurses aide here! I agree to an extent. After limping for three weeks due to being beat up by a patient who was not confused, I’m sorry I cannot just be sunshine and rainbows. But as I’ve heard alotnof people in the healthcare profession say, if you don’t like the care, take ‘em home! My favourite is : “ this is a hospital, not a a hotel!” And I actually love my job. There are good days and bad days and unfortunately, we see everyone on their worst days. Treat people how you want to be treated. I’ve said it a million times. One patient even made fun of how I write my name lol they are choosing to be trouble. It’s not all on the staff.",
">\n\nI could guess it's because they work in an environment dealing with people and dealing with people especially sick or in pain is draining but that's just my two cents",
">\n\nLast year. Covid restrictions were high. Masks. Social distance. All of that. My mom was in a head on collision. She was ok, but we didn’t know that. She was taken to the nearest hospital via ambulance and left in the hallway by a nurse’s station for 6 hours. She was uncomfortable and laying on a stretcher with a neck brace. No doctor or nurse came to talk to her. \nWe were in the waiting room. Begging for one of us to go back there to be with her. We would ask if she was alive, able to communicate, or the simplest of updates. They said they couldn’t tell us until a doctor saw her. Very coldly. My dad just stood there watching the doors. Didn’t sit down. I have never seen him so angry. \nFinally they got her a room. Then allowed 2 visitors at a time. On the way there I was expecting to see packed rooms and frantic, tired looking nurses who were overworked. Nope. So many empty rooms. 8 or so nurses standing around a station. No sense or urgency. No doctor ever did check her. So all of the that for nothing. I can honestly say I’ve never had a positive or warm experience in a hospital.",
">\n\nUsually, when you aren't a massive prick they are nice. So maybe that's on you",
">\n\nMost doctors are smart. Thats about it. Being smart =/= social skills",
">\n\nThe way I see it is that I'm paying for their smart brains not their people skills.",
">\n\n*a lot of the medical profession isn't",
">\n\nAll facts"
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Diagnostic Imaging Tech here. There's some truth to this but there's good reason for some of it as well.
Today alone, I've been puked on, yelled at by a radiologist for following protocol, told off by a patient cause they didn't have their prep work done and a half dozen difficult exams on top of my normal workload.
And this shit happens regularly. It gets to you after a while. We don't want to give off a bad impression to patients but we're only human. | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care.",
">\n\nMany are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.\nMedical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal.",
">\n\nI've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase \"nurses are heroes,\" I think about Homelander.",
">\n\nOBGYNs would be a prime example of this, obstetric violence is on the rise (some say 1/4 of women have experienced obstetric violence) and many OBGYNs only care about control, money and their schedule and not their patients and their children.",
">\n\nA doctor told me he wouldn’t look into me having adhd or autism because anxiety and depression were easier to treat. I had a doctor who was only concerned about my weight but didn’t give a shit about what was actually causing me to be overweight. She put me into a weight loss program instead of trying to figure out what was actually wrong. Also broke privilege, that said it wasn’t a medical thing but still shouldn’t have said it.\nOf three doctors I’ve had, the majority have been horrible.",
">\n\nI am not a doctor but I have been working directly with doctors, NPs and PAs for almost 25 years. I can tell you there are those that don't care but so many do. A lot of those that don't care are usually jaded because of the absolute shit they have to deal with. The patients that never follow what they are told to fix something and just call and complain that they're not healed, patients that think there's a magic pill to cure whatever is wrong with them. Then there are the people in charge of the facility's operations and how they require certain steps or time frames for things to be done when those people aren't doctors and have only ever been administrators. There's so much bullshit doctor's have to put up with. \nShit, we still, 3 years into COVID and people still want to come in to the clinic where I work without masks and yell at the people asking them to put a mask on. Patients STILL try to act like \"oh, I don't have COVID. It's just allergies\" and they think antibiotics will cure COVID, a cold and a flu. It's fucking ridiculous.",
">\n\nIt's funny that one argument I hear against socialized medicine is that no one would do it for a lower salary, but instead we have jerks who do it only for a high salary and don't care about patients.",
">\n\nI went to a college with a big nursing program, and man some of them were straight up evil. I mean just stuff that made me TERRIFIED they would be in a place where ethics was necessary. \nI had an acquaintance that was a nurse and man some of her posts during COVID made me want to report her. \nBut I do ascribe to the \"1/3 of the world is insane\" principle, and yeah you run into these people all over the place, but still it's kinda spooky because when you're in the hospital or something you are at their absolute MERCY and it makes me kind of nervous I'll get somebody awful if something happens to me.",
">\n\nWhy I stay as far away from health”care” as possible",
">\n\nso what? it's not a requirement",
">\n\nIf you are a care provider then it is required. It's in the name of the job.",
">\n\nOh yea let me just fuck up the entire operation because I don’t care about the patient",
">\n\nWhen you are constantly understaffed and patients assault you, yell at you, are demanding, rude, it takes it's toll. I'm not saying healthcare staff have a right to take it out on you but as someone who works in healthcare I can say just because someone isn't super friendly doesn't mean they are not taking care of you or not doing their best to make your stay nice. \nA lot of people think they know better than the doctor or nurse and get mad when the nurse or doctor doesn't immediately do what you want or say. When you have asked for the same thing 15 times but we can't give it to you for a medical reason we're not being mean, we're doing our job.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nThis has been my experience too. And I used to work in medical research and those people aren’t any better - probably worse I’d say. But doctors and nurses being straight up mean for no reason seems to just be getting worse. \nI won’t go to the doctor anymore unless I absolutely have to. And sometimes not even then. I broke my nose and got a concussion a couple weeks ago and you couldn’t have paid me enough to go to a doctor for that, I can fix that myself good enough to not bother with the experience of dealing with them.",
">\n\nDon’t agree!! Every profession has its share of unprofessionals!!",
">\n\nNurses aide here! I agree to an extent. After limping for three weeks due to being beat up by a patient who was not confused, I’m sorry I cannot just be sunshine and rainbows. But as I’ve heard alotnof people in the healthcare profession say, if you don’t like the care, take ‘em home! My favourite is : “ this is a hospital, not a a hotel!” And I actually love my job. There are good days and bad days and unfortunately, we see everyone on their worst days. Treat people how you want to be treated. I’ve said it a million times. One patient even made fun of how I write my name lol they are choosing to be trouble. It’s not all on the staff.",
">\n\nI could guess it's because they work in an environment dealing with people and dealing with people especially sick or in pain is draining but that's just my two cents",
">\n\nLast year. Covid restrictions were high. Masks. Social distance. All of that. My mom was in a head on collision. She was ok, but we didn’t know that. She was taken to the nearest hospital via ambulance and left in the hallway by a nurse’s station for 6 hours. She was uncomfortable and laying on a stretcher with a neck brace. No doctor or nurse came to talk to her. \nWe were in the waiting room. Begging for one of us to go back there to be with her. We would ask if she was alive, able to communicate, or the simplest of updates. They said they couldn’t tell us until a doctor saw her. Very coldly. My dad just stood there watching the doors. Didn’t sit down. I have never seen him so angry. \nFinally they got her a room. Then allowed 2 visitors at a time. On the way there I was expecting to see packed rooms and frantic, tired looking nurses who were overworked. Nope. So many empty rooms. 8 or so nurses standing around a station. No sense or urgency. No doctor ever did check her. So all of the that for nothing. I can honestly say I’ve never had a positive or warm experience in a hospital.",
">\n\nUsually, when you aren't a massive prick they are nice. So maybe that's on you",
">\n\nMost doctors are smart. Thats about it. Being smart =/= social skills",
">\n\nThe way I see it is that I'm paying for their smart brains not their people skills.",
">\n\n*a lot of the medical profession isn't",
">\n\nAll facts",
">\n\nWhat is ME?"
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"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care.",
">\n\nMany are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.\nMedical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal.",
">\n\nI've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase \"nurses are heroes,\" I think about Homelander.",
">\n\nOBGYNs would be a prime example of this, obstetric violence is on the rise (some say 1/4 of women have experienced obstetric violence) and many OBGYNs only care about control, money and their schedule and not their patients and their children.",
">\n\nA doctor told me he wouldn’t look into me having adhd or autism because anxiety and depression were easier to treat. I had a doctor who was only concerned about my weight but didn’t give a shit about what was actually causing me to be overweight. She put me into a weight loss program instead of trying to figure out what was actually wrong. Also broke privilege, that said it wasn’t a medical thing but still shouldn’t have said it.\nOf three doctors I’ve had, the majority have been horrible.",
">\n\nI am not a doctor but I have been working directly with doctors, NPs and PAs for almost 25 years. I can tell you there are those that don't care but so many do. A lot of those that don't care are usually jaded because of the absolute shit they have to deal with. The patients that never follow what they are told to fix something and just call and complain that they're not healed, patients that think there's a magic pill to cure whatever is wrong with them. Then there are the people in charge of the facility's operations and how they require certain steps or time frames for things to be done when those people aren't doctors and have only ever been administrators. There's so much bullshit doctor's have to put up with. \nShit, we still, 3 years into COVID and people still want to come in to the clinic where I work without masks and yell at the people asking them to put a mask on. Patients STILL try to act like \"oh, I don't have COVID. It's just allergies\" and they think antibiotics will cure COVID, a cold and a flu. It's fucking ridiculous.",
">\n\nIt's funny that one argument I hear against socialized medicine is that no one would do it for a lower salary, but instead we have jerks who do it only for a high salary and don't care about patients.",
">\n\nI went to a college with a big nursing program, and man some of them were straight up evil. I mean just stuff that made me TERRIFIED they would be in a place where ethics was necessary. \nI had an acquaintance that was a nurse and man some of her posts during COVID made me want to report her. \nBut I do ascribe to the \"1/3 of the world is insane\" principle, and yeah you run into these people all over the place, but still it's kinda spooky because when you're in the hospital or something you are at their absolute MERCY and it makes me kind of nervous I'll get somebody awful if something happens to me.",
">\n\nWhy I stay as far away from health”care” as possible",
">\n\nso what? it's not a requirement",
">\n\nIf you are a care provider then it is required. It's in the name of the job.",
">\n\nOh yea let me just fuck up the entire operation because I don’t care about the patient",
">\n\nWhen you are constantly understaffed and patients assault you, yell at you, are demanding, rude, it takes it's toll. I'm not saying healthcare staff have a right to take it out on you but as someone who works in healthcare I can say just because someone isn't super friendly doesn't mean they are not taking care of you or not doing their best to make your stay nice. \nA lot of people think they know better than the doctor or nurse and get mad when the nurse or doctor doesn't immediately do what you want or say. When you have asked for the same thing 15 times but we can't give it to you for a medical reason we're not being mean, we're doing our job.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nThis has been my experience too. And I used to work in medical research and those people aren’t any better - probably worse I’d say. But doctors and nurses being straight up mean for no reason seems to just be getting worse. \nI won’t go to the doctor anymore unless I absolutely have to. And sometimes not even then. I broke my nose and got a concussion a couple weeks ago and you couldn’t have paid me enough to go to a doctor for that, I can fix that myself good enough to not bother with the experience of dealing with them.",
">\n\nDon’t agree!! Every profession has its share of unprofessionals!!",
">\n\nNurses aide here! I agree to an extent. After limping for three weeks due to being beat up by a patient who was not confused, I’m sorry I cannot just be sunshine and rainbows. But as I’ve heard alotnof people in the healthcare profession say, if you don’t like the care, take ‘em home! My favourite is : “ this is a hospital, not a a hotel!” And I actually love my job. There are good days and bad days and unfortunately, we see everyone on their worst days. Treat people how you want to be treated. I’ve said it a million times. One patient even made fun of how I write my name lol they are choosing to be trouble. It’s not all on the staff.",
">\n\nI could guess it's because they work in an environment dealing with people and dealing with people especially sick or in pain is draining but that's just my two cents",
">\n\nLast year. Covid restrictions were high. Masks. Social distance. All of that. My mom was in a head on collision. She was ok, but we didn’t know that. She was taken to the nearest hospital via ambulance and left in the hallway by a nurse’s station for 6 hours. She was uncomfortable and laying on a stretcher with a neck brace. No doctor or nurse came to talk to her. \nWe were in the waiting room. Begging for one of us to go back there to be with her. We would ask if she was alive, able to communicate, or the simplest of updates. They said they couldn’t tell us until a doctor saw her. Very coldly. My dad just stood there watching the doors. Didn’t sit down. I have never seen him so angry. \nFinally they got her a room. Then allowed 2 visitors at a time. On the way there I was expecting to see packed rooms and frantic, tired looking nurses who were overworked. Nope. So many empty rooms. 8 or so nurses standing around a station. No sense or urgency. No doctor ever did check her. So all of the that for nothing. I can honestly say I’ve never had a positive or warm experience in a hospital.",
">\n\nUsually, when you aren't a massive prick they are nice. So maybe that's on you",
">\n\nMost doctors are smart. Thats about it. Being smart =/= social skills",
">\n\nThe way I see it is that I'm paying for their smart brains not their people skills.",
">\n\n*a lot of the medical profession isn't",
">\n\nAll facts",
">\n\nWhat is ME?",
">\n\nDiagnostic Imaging Tech here. There's some truth to this but there's good reason for some of it as well.\nToday alone, I've been puked on, yelled at by a radiologist for following protocol, told off by a patient cause they didn't have their prep work done and a half dozen difficult exams on top of my normal workload. \nAnd this shit happens regularly. It gets to you after a while. We don't want to give off a bad impression to patients but we're only human."
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I'm sure this is just a personal experience, but I kind of feel like the bigger the asshole doctor the better they are as a doctor. Most of the best doctors I've ever had have been kind of assholes | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care.",
">\n\nMany are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.\nMedical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal.",
">\n\nI've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase \"nurses are heroes,\" I think about Homelander.",
">\n\nOBGYNs would be a prime example of this, obstetric violence is on the rise (some say 1/4 of women have experienced obstetric violence) and many OBGYNs only care about control, money and their schedule and not their patients and their children.",
">\n\nA doctor told me he wouldn’t look into me having adhd or autism because anxiety and depression were easier to treat. I had a doctor who was only concerned about my weight but didn’t give a shit about what was actually causing me to be overweight. She put me into a weight loss program instead of trying to figure out what was actually wrong. Also broke privilege, that said it wasn’t a medical thing but still shouldn’t have said it.\nOf three doctors I’ve had, the majority have been horrible.",
">\n\nI am not a doctor but I have been working directly with doctors, NPs and PAs for almost 25 years. I can tell you there are those that don't care but so many do. A lot of those that don't care are usually jaded because of the absolute shit they have to deal with. The patients that never follow what they are told to fix something and just call and complain that they're not healed, patients that think there's a magic pill to cure whatever is wrong with them. Then there are the people in charge of the facility's operations and how they require certain steps or time frames for things to be done when those people aren't doctors and have only ever been administrators. There's so much bullshit doctor's have to put up with. \nShit, we still, 3 years into COVID and people still want to come in to the clinic where I work without masks and yell at the people asking them to put a mask on. Patients STILL try to act like \"oh, I don't have COVID. It's just allergies\" and they think antibiotics will cure COVID, a cold and a flu. It's fucking ridiculous.",
">\n\nIt's funny that one argument I hear against socialized medicine is that no one would do it for a lower salary, but instead we have jerks who do it only for a high salary and don't care about patients.",
">\n\nI went to a college with a big nursing program, and man some of them were straight up evil. I mean just stuff that made me TERRIFIED they would be in a place where ethics was necessary. \nI had an acquaintance that was a nurse and man some of her posts during COVID made me want to report her. \nBut I do ascribe to the \"1/3 of the world is insane\" principle, and yeah you run into these people all over the place, but still it's kinda spooky because when you're in the hospital or something you are at their absolute MERCY and it makes me kind of nervous I'll get somebody awful if something happens to me.",
">\n\nWhy I stay as far away from health”care” as possible",
">\n\nso what? it's not a requirement",
">\n\nIf you are a care provider then it is required. It's in the name of the job.",
">\n\nOh yea let me just fuck up the entire operation because I don’t care about the patient",
">\n\nWhen you are constantly understaffed and patients assault you, yell at you, are demanding, rude, it takes it's toll. I'm not saying healthcare staff have a right to take it out on you but as someone who works in healthcare I can say just because someone isn't super friendly doesn't mean they are not taking care of you or not doing their best to make your stay nice. \nA lot of people think they know better than the doctor or nurse and get mad when the nurse or doctor doesn't immediately do what you want or say. When you have asked for the same thing 15 times but we can't give it to you for a medical reason we're not being mean, we're doing our job.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nThis has been my experience too. And I used to work in medical research and those people aren’t any better - probably worse I’d say. But doctors and nurses being straight up mean for no reason seems to just be getting worse. \nI won’t go to the doctor anymore unless I absolutely have to. And sometimes not even then. I broke my nose and got a concussion a couple weeks ago and you couldn’t have paid me enough to go to a doctor for that, I can fix that myself good enough to not bother with the experience of dealing with them.",
">\n\nDon’t agree!! Every profession has its share of unprofessionals!!",
">\n\nNurses aide here! I agree to an extent. After limping for three weeks due to being beat up by a patient who was not confused, I’m sorry I cannot just be sunshine and rainbows. But as I’ve heard alotnof people in the healthcare profession say, if you don’t like the care, take ‘em home! My favourite is : “ this is a hospital, not a a hotel!” And I actually love my job. There are good days and bad days and unfortunately, we see everyone on their worst days. Treat people how you want to be treated. I’ve said it a million times. One patient even made fun of how I write my name lol they are choosing to be trouble. It’s not all on the staff.",
">\n\nI could guess it's because they work in an environment dealing with people and dealing with people especially sick or in pain is draining but that's just my two cents",
">\n\nLast year. Covid restrictions were high. Masks. Social distance. All of that. My mom was in a head on collision. She was ok, but we didn’t know that. She was taken to the nearest hospital via ambulance and left in the hallway by a nurse’s station for 6 hours. She was uncomfortable and laying on a stretcher with a neck brace. No doctor or nurse came to talk to her. \nWe were in the waiting room. Begging for one of us to go back there to be with her. We would ask if she was alive, able to communicate, or the simplest of updates. They said they couldn’t tell us until a doctor saw her. Very coldly. My dad just stood there watching the doors. Didn’t sit down. I have never seen him so angry. \nFinally they got her a room. Then allowed 2 visitors at a time. On the way there I was expecting to see packed rooms and frantic, tired looking nurses who were overworked. Nope. So many empty rooms. 8 or so nurses standing around a station. No sense or urgency. No doctor ever did check her. So all of the that for nothing. I can honestly say I’ve never had a positive or warm experience in a hospital.",
">\n\nUsually, when you aren't a massive prick they are nice. So maybe that's on you",
">\n\nMost doctors are smart. Thats about it. Being smart =/= social skills",
">\n\nThe way I see it is that I'm paying for their smart brains not their people skills.",
">\n\n*a lot of the medical profession isn't",
">\n\nAll facts",
">\n\nWhat is ME?",
">\n\nDiagnostic Imaging Tech here. There's some truth to this but there's good reason for some of it as well.\nToday alone, I've been puked on, yelled at by a radiologist for following protocol, told off by a patient cause they didn't have their prep work done and a half dozen difficult exams on top of my normal workload. \nAnd this shit happens regularly. It gets to you after a while. We don't want to give off a bad impression to patients but we're only human.",
">\n\nYep, they’re human and they do it for the money. Not many of them actually have a heart for what they do. But the ones who do are absolute gems."
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Honestly, I've had the opposite experience. The worst doctors I've had (I have chronic conditions so I've seen many) have been the meanest. They talk down to people, don't listen to symptoms, and claim that things are all in patient's heads. The nicest ones that I've had are the ones that have been able to actually run tests, diagnose me, and help me with ways of managing or curing problems | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care.",
">\n\nMany are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.\nMedical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal.",
">\n\nI've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase \"nurses are heroes,\" I think about Homelander.",
">\n\nOBGYNs would be a prime example of this, obstetric violence is on the rise (some say 1/4 of women have experienced obstetric violence) and many OBGYNs only care about control, money and their schedule and not their patients and their children.",
">\n\nA doctor told me he wouldn’t look into me having adhd or autism because anxiety and depression were easier to treat. I had a doctor who was only concerned about my weight but didn’t give a shit about what was actually causing me to be overweight. She put me into a weight loss program instead of trying to figure out what was actually wrong. Also broke privilege, that said it wasn’t a medical thing but still shouldn’t have said it.\nOf three doctors I’ve had, the majority have been horrible.",
">\n\nI am not a doctor but I have been working directly with doctors, NPs and PAs for almost 25 years. I can tell you there are those that don't care but so many do. A lot of those that don't care are usually jaded because of the absolute shit they have to deal with. The patients that never follow what they are told to fix something and just call and complain that they're not healed, patients that think there's a magic pill to cure whatever is wrong with them. Then there are the people in charge of the facility's operations and how they require certain steps or time frames for things to be done when those people aren't doctors and have only ever been administrators. There's so much bullshit doctor's have to put up with. \nShit, we still, 3 years into COVID and people still want to come in to the clinic where I work without masks and yell at the people asking them to put a mask on. Patients STILL try to act like \"oh, I don't have COVID. It's just allergies\" and they think antibiotics will cure COVID, a cold and a flu. It's fucking ridiculous.",
">\n\nIt's funny that one argument I hear against socialized medicine is that no one would do it for a lower salary, but instead we have jerks who do it only for a high salary and don't care about patients.",
">\n\nI went to a college with a big nursing program, and man some of them were straight up evil. I mean just stuff that made me TERRIFIED they would be in a place where ethics was necessary. \nI had an acquaintance that was a nurse and man some of her posts during COVID made me want to report her. \nBut I do ascribe to the \"1/3 of the world is insane\" principle, and yeah you run into these people all over the place, but still it's kinda spooky because when you're in the hospital or something you are at their absolute MERCY and it makes me kind of nervous I'll get somebody awful if something happens to me.",
">\n\nWhy I stay as far away from health”care” as possible",
">\n\nso what? it's not a requirement",
">\n\nIf you are a care provider then it is required. It's in the name of the job.",
">\n\nOh yea let me just fuck up the entire operation because I don’t care about the patient",
">\n\nWhen you are constantly understaffed and patients assault you, yell at you, are demanding, rude, it takes it's toll. I'm not saying healthcare staff have a right to take it out on you but as someone who works in healthcare I can say just because someone isn't super friendly doesn't mean they are not taking care of you or not doing their best to make your stay nice. \nA lot of people think they know better than the doctor or nurse and get mad when the nurse or doctor doesn't immediately do what you want or say. When you have asked for the same thing 15 times but we can't give it to you for a medical reason we're not being mean, we're doing our job.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nThis has been my experience too. And I used to work in medical research and those people aren’t any better - probably worse I’d say. But doctors and nurses being straight up mean for no reason seems to just be getting worse. \nI won’t go to the doctor anymore unless I absolutely have to. And sometimes not even then. I broke my nose and got a concussion a couple weeks ago and you couldn’t have paid me enough to go to a doctor for that, I can fix that myself good enough to not bother with the experience of dealing with them.",
">\n\nDon’t agree!! Every profession has its share of unprofessionals!!",
">\n\nNurses aide here! I agree to an extent. After limping for three weeks due to being beat up by a patient who was not confused, I’m sorry I cannot just be sunshine and rainbows. But as I’ve heard alotnof people in the healthcare profession say, if you don’t like the care, take ‘em home! My favourite is : “ this is a hospital, not a a hotel!” And I actually love my job. There are good days and bad days and unfortunately, we see everyone on their worst days. Treat people how you want to be treated. I’ve said it a million times. One patient even made fun of how I write my name lol they are choosing to be trouble. It’s not all on the staff.",
">\n\nI could guess it's because they work in an environment dealing with people and dealing with people especially sick or in pain is draining but that's just my two cents",
">\n\nLast year. Covid restrictions were high. Masks. Social distance. All of that. My mom was in a head on collision. She was ok, but we didn’t know that. She was taken to the nearest hospital via ambulance and left in the hallway by a nurse’s station for 6 hours. She was uncomfortable and laying on a stretcher with a neck brace. No doctor or nurse came to talk to her. \nWe were in the waiting room. Begging for one of us to go back there to be with her. We would ask if she was alive, able to communicate, or the simplest of updates. They said they couldn’t tell us until a doctor saw her. Very coldly. My dad just stood there watching the doors. Didn’t sit down. I have never seen him so angry. \nFinally they got her a room. Then allowed 2 visitors at a time. On the way there I was expecting to see packed rooms and frantic, tired looking nurses who were overworked. Nope. So many empty rooms. 8 or so nurses standing around a station. No sense or urgency. No doctor ever did check her. So all of the that for nothing. I can honestly say I’ve never had a positive or warm experience in a hospital.",
">\n\nUsually, when you aren't a massive prick they are nice. So maybe that's on you",
">\n\nMost doctors are smart. Thats about it. Being smart =/= social skills",
">\n\nThe way I see it is that I'm paying for their smart brains not their people skills.",
">\n\n*a lot of the medical profession isn't",
">\n\nAll facts",
">\n\nWhat is ME?",
">\n\nDiagnostic Imaging Tech here. There's some truth to this but there's good reason for some of it as well.\nToday alone, I've been puked on, yelled at by a radiologist for following protocol, told off by a patient cause they didn't have their prep work done and a half dozen difficult exams on top of my normal workload. \nAnd this shit happens regularly. It gets to you after a while. We don't want to give off a bad impression to patients but we're only human.",
">\n\nYep, they’re human and they do it for the money. Not many of them actually have a heart for what they do. But the ones who do are absolute gems.",
">\n\nI'm sure this is just a personal experience, but I kind of feel like the bigger the asshole doctor the better they are as a doctor. Most of the best doctors I've ever had have been kind of assholes"
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I don't entirely disagree. All the good ones seem to burn out. The ones that stay harden, are expert at unit politics, and fly under management's radar. | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care.",
">\n\nMany are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.\nMedical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal.",
">\n\nI've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase \"nurses are heroes,\" I think about Homelander.",
">\n\nOBGYNs would be a prime example of this, obstetric violence is on the rise (some say 1/4 of women have experienced obstetric violence) and many OBGYNs only care about control, money and their schedule and not their patients and their children.",
">\n\nA doctor told me he wouldn’t look into me having adhd or autism because anxiety and depression were easier to treat. I had a doctor who was only concerned about my weight but didn’t give a shit about what was actually causing me to be overweight. She put me into a weight loss program instead of trying to figure out what was actually wrong. Also broke privilege, that said it wasn’t a medical thing but still shouldn’t have said it.\nOf three doctors I’ve had, the majority have been horrible.",
">\n\nI am not a doctor but I have been working directly with doctors, NPs and PAs for almost 25 years. I can tell you there are those that don't care but so many do. A lot of those that don't care are usually jaded because of the absolute shit they have to deal with. The patients that never follow what they are told to fix something and just call and complain that they're not healed, patients that think there's a magic pill to cure whatever is wrong with them. Then there are the people in charge of the facility's operations and how they require certain steps or time frames for things to be done when those people aren't doctors and have only ever been administrators. There's so much bullshit doctor's have to put up with. \nShit, we still, 3 years into COVID and people still want to come in to the clinic where I work without masks and yell at the people asking them to put a mask on. Patients STILL try to act like \"oh, I don't have COVID. It's just allergies\" and they think antibiotics will cure COVID, a cold and a flu. It's fucking ridiculous.",
">\n\nIt's funny that one argument I hear against socialized medicine is that no one would do it for a lower salary, but instead we have jerks who do it only for a high salary and don't care about patients.",
">\n\nI went to a college with a big nursing program, and man some of them were straight up evil. I mean just stuff that made me TERRIFIED they would be in a place where ethics was necessary. \nI had an acquaintance that was a nurse and man some of her posts during COVID made me want to report her. \nBut I do ascribe to the \"1/3 of the world is insane\" principle, and yeah you run into these people all over the place, but still it's kinda spooky because when you're in the hospital or something you are at their absolute MERCY and it makes me kind of nervous I'll get somebody awful if something happens to me.",
">\n\nWhy I stay as far away from health”care” as possible",
">\n\nso what? it's not a requirement",
">\n\nIf you are a care provider then it is required. It's in the name of the job.",
">\n\nOh yea let me just fuck up the entire operation because I don’t care about the patient",
">\n\nWhen you are constantly understaffed and patients assault you, yell at you, are demanding, rude, it takes it's toll. I'm not saying healthcare staff have a right to take it out on you but as someone who works in healthcare I can say just because someone isn't super friendly doesn't mean they are not taking care of you or not doing their best to make your stay nice. \nA lot of people think they know better than the doctor or nurse and get mad when the nurse or doctor doesn't immediately do what you want or say. When you have asked for the same thing 15 times but we can't give it to you for a medical reason we're not being mean, we're doing our job.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nThis has been my experience too. And I used to work in medical research and those people aren’t any better - probably worse I’d say. But doctors and nurses being straight up mean for no reason seems to just be getting worse. \nI won’t go to the doctor anymore unless I absolutely have to. And sometimes not even then. I broke my nose and got a concussion a couple weeks ago and you couldn’t have paid me enough to go to a doctor for that, I can fix that myself good enough to not bother with the experience of dealing with them.",
">\n\nDon’t agree!! Every profession has its share of unprofessionals!!",
">\n\nNurses aide here! I agree to an extent. After limping for three weeks due to being beat up by a patient who was not confused, I’m sorry I cannot just be sunshine and rainbows. But as I’ve heard alotnof people in the healthcare profession say, if you don’t like the care, take ‘em home! My favourite is : “ this is a hospital, not a a hotel!” And I actually love my job. There are good days and bad days and unfortunately, we see everyone on their worst days. Treat people how you want to be treated. I’ve said it a million times. One patient even made fun of how I write my name lol they are choosing to be trouble. It’s not all on the staff.",
">\n\nI could guess it's because they work in an environment dealing with people and dealing with people especially sick or in pain is draining but that's just my two cents",
">\n\nLast year. Covid restrictions were high. Masks. Social distance. All of that. My mom was in a head on collision. She was ok, but we didn’t know that. She was taken to the nearest hospital via ambulance and left in the hallway by a nurse’s station for 6 hours. She was uncomfortable and laying on a stretcher with a neck brace. No doctor or nurse came to talk to her. \nWe were in the waiting room. Begging for one of us to go back there to be with her. We would ask if she was alive, able to communicate, or the simplest of updates. They said they couldn’t tell us until a doctor saw her. Very coldly. My dad just stood there watching the doors. Didn’t sit down. I have never seen him so angry. \nFinally they got her a room. Then allowed 2 visitors at a time. On the way there I was expecting to see packed rooms and frantic, tired looking nurses who were overworked. Nope. So many empty rooms. 8 or so nurses standing around a station. No sense or urgency. No doctor ever did check her. So all of the that for nothing. I can honestly say I’ve never had a positive or warm experience in a hospital.",
">\n\nUsually, when you aren't a massive prick they are nice. So maybe that's on you",
">\n\nMost doctors are smart. Thats about it. Being smart =/= social skills",
">\n\nThe way I see it is that I'm paying for their smart brains not their people skills.",
">\n\n*a lot of the medical profession isn't",
">\n\nAll facts",
">\n\nWhat is ME?",
">\n\nDiagnostic Imaging Tech here. There's some truth to this but there's good reason for some of it as well.\nToday alone, I've been puked on, yelled at by a radiologist for following protocol, told off by a patient cause they didn't have their prep work done and a half dozen difficult exams on top of my normal workload. \nAnd this shit happens regularly. It gets to you after a while. We don't want to give off a bad impression to patients but we're only human.",
">\n\nYep, they’re human and they do it for the money. Not many of them actually have a heart for what they do. But the ones who do are absolute gems.",
">\n\nI'm sure this is just a personal experience, but I kind of feel like the bigger the asshole doctor the better they are as a doctor. Most of the best doctors I've ever had have been kind of assholes",
">\n\nHonestly, I've had the opposite experience. The worst doctors I've had (I have chronic conditions so I've seen many) have been the meanest. They talk down to people, don't listen to symptoms, and claim that things are all in patient's heads. The nicest ones that I've had are the ones that have been able to actually run tests, diagnose me, and help me with ways of managing or curing problems"
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You have to consider that in order to work in the medical profession you probably need to have somewhat low empathy. People who are very empathic and caring probably couldn't do this job, because they couldn't stop thinking about all the stuff they see at work. You'd see a parent slowly being killed by cancer and their children and partner crying often when they visit, or a patient who was severely injured in some tragic accident dying, and you have to tell that to their family, or a man who had a stroke which made him disabled.
I hope you get my point, I think people who are high in empathy just couldn't work in a hospital or in the ambulance. They would most likely just get really depressed after a while, it would break them. You need to be able to not let this stuff get to you, and for that you have to be low in empathy, or the big 5 trait agreeableness. Surgents need to be especially low in empathy, because you just can't cut people open if you're a very empathic person. And even though medical professionals are probably low in empathy, there are still some things they experience that even affects them. Being a medical professional is a very emotionally demanding job. | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care.",
">\n\nMany are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.\nMedical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal.",
">\n\nI've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase \"nurses are heroes,\" I think about Homelander.",
">\n\nOBGYNs would be a prime example of this, obstetric violence is on the rise (some say 1/4 of women have experienced obstetric violence) and many OBGYNs only care about control, money and their schedule and not their patients and their children.",
">\n\nA doctor told me he wouldn’t look into me having adhd or autism because anxiety and depression were easier to treat. I had a doctor who was only concerned about my weight but didn’t give a shit about what was actually causing me to be overweight. She put me into a weight loss program instead of trying to figure out what was actually wrong. Also broke privilege, that said it wasn’t a medical thing but still shouldn’t have said it.\nOf three doctors I’ve had, the majority have been horrible.",
">\n\nI am not a doctor but I have been working directly with doctors, NPs and PAs for almost 25 years. I can tell you there are those that don't care but so many do. A lot of those that don't care are usually jaded because of the absolute shit they have to deal with. The patients that never follow what they are told to fix something and just call and complain that they're not healed, patients that think there's a magic pill to cure whatever is wrong with them. Then there are the people in charge of the facility's operations and how they require certain steps or time frames for things to be done when those people aren't doctors and have only ever been administrators. There's so much bullshit doctor's have to put up with. \nShit, we still, 3 years into COVID and people still want to come in to the clinic where I work without masks and yell at the people asking them to put a mask on. Patients STILL try to act like \"oh, I don't have COVID. It's just allergies\" and they think antibiotics will cure COVID, a cold and a flu. It's fucking ridiculous.",
">\n\nIt's funny that one argument I hear against socialized medicine is that no one would do it for a lower salary, but instead we have jerks who do it only for a high salary and don't care about patients.",
">\n\nI went to a college with a big nursing program, and man some of them were straight up evil. I mean just stuff that made me TERRIFIED they would be in a place where ethics was necessary. \nI had an acquaintance that was a nurse and man some of her posts during COVID made me want to report her. \nBut I do ascribe to the \"1/3 of the world is insane\" principle, and yeah you run into these people all over the place, but still it's kinda spooky because when you're in the hospital or something you are at their absolute MERCY and it makes me kind of nervous I'll get somebody awful if something happens to me.",
">\n\nWhy I stay as far away from health”care” as possible",
">\n\nso what? it's not a requirement",
">\n\nIf you are a care provider then it is required. It's in the name of the job.",
">\n\nOh yea let me just fuck up the entire operation because I don’t care about the patient",
">\n\nWhen you are constantly understaffed and patients assault you, yell at you, are demanding, rude, it takes it's toll. I'm not saying healthcare staff have a right to take it out on you but as someone who works in healthcare I can say just because someone isn't super friendly doesn't mean they are not taking care of you or not doing their best to make your stay nice. \nA lot of people think they know better than the doctor or nurse and get mad when the nurse or doctor doesn't immediately do what you want or say. When you have asked for the same thing 15 times but we can't give it to you for a medical reason we're not being mean, we're doing our job.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nThis has been my experience too. And I used to work in medical research and those people aren’t any better - probably worse I’d say. But doctors and nurses being straight up mean for no reason seems to just be getting worse. \nI won’t go to the doctor anymore unless I absolutely have to. And sometimes not even then. I broke my nose and got a concussion a couple weeks ago and you couldn’t have paid me enough to go to a doctor for that, I can fix that myself good enough to not bother with the experience of dealing with them.",
">\n\nDon’t agree!! Every profession has its share of unprofessionals!!",
">\n\nNurses aide here! I agree to an extent. After limping for three weeks due to being beat up by a patient who was not confused, I’m sorry I cannot just be sunshine and rainbows. But as I’ve heard alotnof people in the healthcare profession say, if you don’t like the care, take ‘em home! My favourite is : “ this is a hospital, not a a hotel!” And I actually love my job. There are good days and bad days and unfortunately, we see everyone on their worst days. Treat people how you want to be treated. I’ve said it a million times. One patient even made fun of how I write my name lol they are choosing to be trouble. It’s not all on the staff.",
">\n\nI could guess it's because they work in an environment dealing with people and dealing with people especially sick or in pain is draining but that's just my two cents",
">\n\nLast year. Covid restrictions were high. Masks. Social distance. All of that. My mom was in a head on collision. She was ok, but we didn’t know that. She was taken to the nearest hospital via ambulance and left in the hallway by a nurse’s station for 6 hours. She was uncomfortable and laying on a stretcher with a neck brace. No doctor or nurse came to talk to her. \nWe were in the waiting room. Begging for one of us to go back there to be with her. We would ask if she was alive, able to communicate, or the simplest of updates. They said they couldn’t tell us until a doctor saw her. Very coldly. My dad just stood there watching the doors. Didn’t sit down. I have never seen him so angry. \nFinally they got her a room. Then allowed 2 visitors at a time. On the way there I was expecting to see packed rooms and frantic, tired looking nurses who were overworked. Nope. So many empty rooms. 8 or so nurses standing around a station. No sense or urgency. No doctor ever did check her. So all of the that for nothing. I can honestly say I’ve never had a positive or warm experience in a hospital.",
">\n\nUsually, when you aren't a massive prick they are nice. So maybe that's on you",
">\n\nMost doctors are smart. Thats about it. Being smart =/= social skills",
">\n\nThe way I see it is that I'm paying for their smart brains not their people skills.",
">\n\n*a lot of the medical profession isn't",
">\n\nAll facts",
">\n\nWhat is ME?",
">\n\nDiagnostic Imaging Tech here. There's some truth to this but there's good reason for some of it as well.\nToday alone, I've been puked on, yelled at by a radiologist for following protocol, told off by a patient cause they didn't have their prep work done and a half dozen difficult exams on top of my normal workload. \nAnd this shit happens regularly. It gets to you after a while. We don't want to give off a bad impression to patients but we're only human.",
">\n\nYep, they’re human and they do it for the money. Not many of them actually have a heart for what they do. But the ones who do are absolute gems.",
">\n\nI'm sure this is just a personal experience, but I kind of feel like the bigger the asshole doctor the better they are as a doctor. Most of the best doctors I've ever had have been kind of assholes",
">\n\nHonestly, I've had the opposite experience. The worst doctors I've had (I have chronic conditions so I've seen many) have been the meanest. They talk down to people, don't listen to symptoms, and claim that things are all in patient's heads. The nicest ones that I've had are the ones that have been able to actually run tests, diagnose me, and help me with ways of managing or curing problems",
">\n\nI don't entirely disagree. All the good ones seem to burn out. The ones that stay harden, are expert at unit politics, and fly under management's radar."
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"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care.",
">\n\nMany are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.\nMedical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal.",
">\n\nI've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase \"nurses are heroes,\" I think about Homelander.",
">\n\nOBGYNs would be a prime example of this, obstetric violence is on the rise (some say 1/4 of women have experienced obstetric violence) and many OBGYNs only care about control, money and their schedule and not their patients and their children.",
">\n\nA doctor told me he wouldn’t look into me having adhd or autism because anxiety and depression were easier to treat. I had a doctor who was only concerned about my weight but didn’t give a shit about what was actually causing me to be overweight. She put me into a weight loss program instead of trying to figure out what was actually wrong. Also broke privilege, that said it wasn’t a medical thing but still shouldn’t have said it.\nOf three doctors I’ve had, the majority have been horrible.",
">\n\nI am not a doctor but I have been working directly with doctors, NPs and PAs for almost 25 years. I can tell you there are those that don't care but so many do. A lot of those that don't care are usually jaded because of the absolute shit they have to deal with. The patients that never follow what they are told to fix something and just call and complain that they're not healed, patients that think there's a magic pill to cure whatever is wrong with them. Then there are the people in charge of the facility's operations and how they require certain steps or time frames for things to be done when those people aren't doctors and have only ever been administrators. There's so much bullshit doctor's have to put up with. \nShit, we still, 3 years into COVID and people still want to come in to the clinic where I work without masks and yell at the people asking them to put a mask on. Patients STILL try to act like \"oh, I don't have COVID. It's just allergies\" and they think antibiotics will cure COVID, a cold and a flu. It's fucking ridiculous.",
">\n\nIt's funny that one argument I hear against socialized medicine is that no one would do it for a lower salary, but instead we have jerks who do it only for a high salary and don't care about patients.",
">\n\nI went to a college with a big nursing program, and man some of them were straight up evil. I mean just stuff that made me TERRIFIED they would be in a place where ethics was necessary. \nI had an acquaintance that was a nurse and man some of her posts during COVID made me want to report her. \nBut I do ascribe to the \"1/3 of the world is insane\" principle, and yeah you run into these people all over the place, but still it's kinda spooky because when you're in the hospital or something you are at their absolute MERCY and it makes me kind of nervous I'll get somebody awful if something happens to me.",
">\n\nWhy I stay as far away from health”care” as possible",
">\n\nso what? it's not a requirement",
">\n\nIf you are a care provider then it is required. It's in the name of the job.",
">\n\nOh yea let me just fuck up the entire operation because I don’t care about the patient",
">\n\nWhen you are constantly understaffed and patients assault you, yell at you, are demanding, rude, it takes it's toll. I'm not saying healthcare staff have a right to take it out on you but as someone who works in healthcare I can say just because someone isn't super friendly doesn't mean they are not taking care of you or not doing their best to make your stay nice. \nA lot of people think they know better than the doctor or nurse and get mad when the nurse or doctor doesn't immediately do what you want or say. When you have asked for the same thing 15 times but we can't give it to you for a medical reason we're not being mean, we're doing our job.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nThis has been my experience too. And I used to work in medical research and those people aren’t any better - probably worse I’d say. But doctors and nurses being straight up mean for no reason seems to just be getting worse. \nI won’t go to the doctor anymore unless I absolutely have to. And sometimes not even then. I broke my nose and got a concussion a couple weeks ago and you couldn’t have paid me enough to go to a doctor for that, I can fix that myself good enough to not bother with the experience of dealing with them.",
">\n\nDon’t agree!! Every profession has its share of unprofessionals!!",
">\n\nNurses aide here! I agree to an extent. After limping for three weeks due to being beat up by a patient who was not confused, I’m sorry I cannot just be sunshine and rainbows. But as I’ve heard alotnof people in the healthcare profession say, if you don’t like the care, take ‘em home! My favourite is : “ this is a hospital, not a a hotel!” And I actually love my job. There are good days and bad days and unfortunately, we see everyone on their worst days. Treat people how you want to be treated. I’ve said it a million times. One patient even made fun of how I write my name lol they are choosing to be trouble. It’s not all on the staff.",
">\n\nI could guess it's because they work in an environment dealing with people and dealing with people especially sick or in pain is draining but that's just my two cents",
">\n\nLast year. Covid restrictions were high. Masks. Social distance. All of that. My mom was in a head on collision. She was ok, but we didn’t know that. She was taken to the nearest hospital via ambulance and left in the hallway by a nurse’s station for 6 hours. She was uncomfortable and laying on a stretcher with a neck brace. No doctor or nurse came to talk to her. \nWe were in the waiting room. Begging for one of us to go back there to be with her. We would ask if she was alive, able to communicate, or the simplest of updates. They said they couldn’t tell us until a doctor saw her. Very coldly. My dad just stood there watching the doors. Didn’t sit down. I have never seen him so angry. \nFinally they got her a room. Then allowed 2 visitors at a time. On the way there I was expecting to see packed rooms and frantic, tired looking nurses who were overworked. Nope. So many empty rooms. 8 or so nurses standing around a station. No sense or urgency. No doctor ever did check her. So all of the that for nothing. I can honestly say I’ve never had a positive or warm experience in a hospital.",
">\n\nUsually, when you aren't a massive prick they are nice. So maybe that's on you",
">\n\nMost doctors are smart. Thats about it. Being smart =/= social skills",
">\n\nThe way I see it is that I'm paying for their smart brains not their people skills.",
">\n\n*a lot of the medical profession isn't",
">\n\nAll facts",
">\n\nWhat is ME?",
">\n\nDiagnostic Imaging Tech here. There's some truth to this but there's good reason for some of it as well.\nToday alone, I've been puked on, yelled at by a radiologist for following protocol, told off by a patient cause they didn't have their prep work done and a half dozen difficult exams on top of my normal workload. \nAnd this shit happens regularly. It gets to you after a while. We don't want to give off a bad impression to patients but we're only human.",
">\n\nYep, they’re human and they do it for the money. Not many of them actually have a heart for what they do. But the ones who do are absolute gems.",
">\n\nI'm sure this is just a personal experience, but I kind of feel like the bigger the asshole doctor the better they are as a doctor. Most of the best doctors I've ever had have been kind of assholes",
">\n\nHonestly, I've had the opposite experience. The worst doctors I've had (I have chronic conditions so I've seen many) have been the meanest. They talk down to people, don't listen to symptoms, and claim that things are all in patient's heads. The nicest ones that I've had are the ones that have been able to actually run tests, diagnose me, and help me with ways of managing or curing problems",
">\n\nI don't entirely disagree. All the good ones seem to burn out. The ones that stay harden, are expert at unit politics, and fly under management's radar.",
">\n\nYou have to consider that in order to work in the medical profession you probably need to have somewhat low empathy. People who are very empathic and caring probably couldn't do this job, because they couldn't stop thinking about all the stuff they see at work. You'd see a parent slowly being killed by cancer and their children and partner crying often when they visit, or a patient who was severely injured in some tragic accident dying, and you have to tell that to their family, or a man who had a stroke which made him disabled. \nI hope you get my point, I think people who are high in empathy just couldn't work in a hospital or in the ambulance. They would most likely just get really depressed after a while, it would break them. You need to be able to not let this stuff get to you, and for that you have to be low in empathy, or the big 5 trait agreeableness. Surgents need to be especially low in empathy, because you just can't cut people open if you're a very empathic person. And even though medical professionals are probably low in empathy, there are still some things they experience that even affects them. Being a medical professional is a very emotionally demanding job."
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This is sadly very true. My experience was also not great most of the time. I always find these physician in a hurry to see as many patients as they can. I am not against them making money but I'd expect them to give proper response regarding diet and we'll being. All I get is ... "Eat everything except deep fried stuff" .... Bitch please. | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care.",
">\n\nMany are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.\nMedical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal.",
">\n\nI've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase \"nurses are heroes,\" I think about Homelander.",
">\n\nOBGYNs would be a prime example of this, obstetric violence is on the rise (some say 1/4 of women have experienced obstetric violence) and many OBGYNs only care about control, money and their schedule and not their patients and their children.",
">\n\nA doctor told me he wouldn’t look into me having adhd or autism because anxiety and depression were easier to treat. I had a doctor who was only concerned about my weight but didn’t give a shit about what was actually causing me to be overweight. She put me into a weight loss program instead of trying to figure out what was actually wrong. Also broke privilege, that said it wasn’t a medical thing but still shouldn’t have said it.\nOf three doctors I’ve had, the majority have been horrible.",
">\n\nI am not a doctor but I have been working directly with doctors, NPs and PAs for almost 25 years. I can tell you there are those that don't care but so many do. A lot of those that don't care are usually jaded because of the absolute shit they have to deal with. The patients that never follow what they are told to fix something and just call and complain that they're not healed, patients that think there's a magic pill to cure whatever is wrong with them. Then there are the people in charge of the facility's operations and how they require certain steps or time frames for things to be done when those people aren't doctors and have only ever been administrators. There's so much bullshit doctor's have to put up with. \nShit, we still, 3 years into COVID and people still want to come in to the clinic where I work without masks and yell at the people asking them to put a mask on. Patients STILL try to act like \"oh, I don't have COVID. It's just allergies\" and they think antibiotics will cure COVID, a cold and a flu. It's fucking ridiculous.",
">\n\nIt's funny that one argument I hear against socialized medicine is that no one would do it for a lower salary, but instead we have jerks who do it only for a high salary and don't care about patients.",
">\n\nI went to a college with a big nursing program, and man some of them were straight up evil. I mean just stuff that made me TERRIFIED they would be in a place where ethics was necessary. \nI had an acquaintance that was a nurse and man some of her posts during COVID made me want to report her. \nBut I do ascribe to the \"1/3 of the world is insane\" principle, and yeah you run into these people all over the place, but still it's kinda spooky because when you're in the hospital or something you are at their absolute MERCY and it makes me kind of nervous I'll get somebody awful if something happens to me.",
">\n\nWhy I stay as far away from health”care” as possible",
">\n\nso what? it's not a requirement",
">\n\nIf you are a care provider then it is required. It's in the name of the job.",
">\n\nOh yea let me just fuck up the entire operation because I don’t care about the patient",
">\n\nWhen you are constantly understaffed and patients assault you, yell at you, are demanding, rude, it takes it's toll. I'm not saying healthcare staff have a right to take it out on you but as someone who works in healthcare I can say just because someone isn't super friendly doesn't mean they are not taking care of you or not doing their best to make your stay nice. \nA lot of people think they know better than the doctor or nurse and get mad when the nurse or doctor doesn't immediately do what you want or say. When you have asked for the same thing 15 times but we can't give it to you for a medical reason we're not being mean, we're doing our job.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nThis has been my experience too. And I used to work in medical research and those people aren’t any better - probably worse I’d say. But doctors and nurses being straight up mean for no reason seems to just be getting worse. \nI won’t go to the doctor anymore unless I absolutely have to. And sometimes not even then. I broke my nose and got a concussion a couple weeks ago and you couldn’t have paid me enough to go to a doctor for that, I can fix that myself good enough to not bother with the experience of dealing with them.",
">\n\nDon’t agree!! Every profession has its share of unprofessionals!!",
">\n\nNurses aide here! I agree to an extent. After limping for three weeks due to being beat up by a patient who was not confused, I’m sorry I cannot just be sunshine and rainbows. But as I’ve heard alotnof people in the healthcare profession say, if you don’t like the care, take ‘em home! My favourite is : “ this is a hospital, not a a hotel!” And I actually love my job. There are good days and bad days and unfortunately, we see everyone on their worst days. Treat people how you want to be treated. I’ve said it a million times. One patient even made fun of how I write my name lol they are choosing to be trouble. It’s not all on the staff.",
">\n\nI could guess it's because they work in an environment dealing with people and dealing with people especially sick or in pain is draining but that's just my two cents",
">\n\nLast year. Covid restrictions were high. Masks. Social distance. All of that. My mom was in a head on collision. She was ok, but we didn’t know that. She was taken to the nearest hospital via ambulance and left in the hallway by a nurse’s station for 6 hours. She was uncomfortable and laying on a stretcher with a neck brace. No doctor or nurse came to talk to her. \nWe were in the waiting room. Begging for one of us to go back there to be with her. We would ask if she was alive, able to communicate, or the simplest of updates. They said they couldn’t tell us until a doctor saw her. Very coldly. My dad just stood there watching the doors. Didn’t sit down. I have never seen him so angry. \nFinally they got her a room. Then allowed 2 visitors at a time. On the way there I was expecting to see packed rooms and frantic, tired looking nurses who were overworked. Nope. So many empty rooms. 8 or so nurses standing around a station. No sense or urgency. No doctor ever did check her. So all of the that for nothing. I can honestly say I’ve never had a positive or warm experience in a hospital.",
">\n\nUsually, when you aren't a massive prick they are nice. So maybe that's on you",
">\n\nMost doctors are smart. Thats about it. Being smart =/= social skills",
">\n\nThe way I see it is that I'm paying for their smart brains not their people skills.",
">\n\n*a lot of the medical profession isn't",
">\n\nAll facts",
">\n\nWhat is ME?",
">\n\nDiagnostic Imaging Tech here. There's some truth to this but there's good reason for some of it as well.\nToday alone, I've been puked on, yelled at by a radiologist for following protocol, told off by a patient cause they didn't have their prep work done and a half dozen difficult exams on top of my normal workload. \nAnd this shit happens regularly. It gets to you after a while. We don't want to give off a bad impression to patients but we're only human.",
">\n\nYep, they’re human and they do it for the money. Not many of them actually have a heart for what they do. But the ones who do are absolute gems.",
">\n\nI'm sure this is just a personal experience, but I kind of feel like the bigger the asshole doctor the better they are as a doctor. Most of the best doctors I've ever had have been kind of assholes",
">\n\nHonestly, I've had the opposite experience. The worst doctors I've had (I have chronic conditions so I've seen many) have been the meanest. They talk down to people, don't listen to symptoms, and claim that things are all in patient's heads. The nicest ones that I've had are the ones that have been able to actually run tests, diagnose me, and help me with ways of managing or curing problems",
">\n\nI don't entirely disagree. All the good ones seem to burn out. The ones that stay harden, are expert at unit politics, and fly under management's radar.",
">\n\nYou have to consider that in order to work in the medical profession you probably need to have somewhat low empathy. People who are very empathic and caring probably couldn't do this job, because they couldn't stop thinking about all the stuff they see at work. You'd see a parent slowly being killed by cancer and their children and partner crying often when they visit, or a patient who was severely injured in some tragic accident dying, and you have to tell that to their family, or a man who had a stroke which made him disabled. \nI hope you get my point, I think people who are high in empathy just couldn't work in a hospital or in the ambulance. They would most likely just get really depressed after a while, it would break them. You need to be able to not let this stuff get to you, and for that you have to be low in empathy, or the big 5 trait agreeableness. Surgents need to be especially low in empathy, because you just can't cut people open if you're a very empathic person. And even though medical professionals are probably low in empathy, there are still some things they experience that even affects them. Being a medical professional is a very emotionally demanding job.",
">\n\nA lot of any profession aren’t very nice people. It’s not a medical thing."
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Mmm..."don't really care" is a bit of a stretch. These people obviously cared enough at some point to go through all the school / debt to start taking care of people.
I think a couple reasons for the "aren't very nice" aspect...
-Our current medical model selects for people who are very good at sciences (biology, organic chemistry, physics, etc) who get high scores on tests. I think it would benefit us to start looking at people with a more liberal arts background / people with work experience.
-Speaking from the physician side, it is very hard to be nice / appear really caring when you've been up 28 hours every couple of days for years at a time. It can take a lot out of you.
-People who are naturally malignant/mean get a pass in the medical environment and some people who are naturally mean spirited thrive here. All you have to do is position what you're doing in the name of "patient safety" and you get away with it. (A nurse yelling at other nurses, nurses yelling at residents, attendings yelling at residents, residents yelling/belittling medical students).
-Cultures of abuse self propagate. It happened to me and made me better, so now I'm going to do it to you. | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care.",
">\n\nMany are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.\nMedical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal.",
">\n\nI've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase \"nurses are heroes,\" I think about Homelander.",
">\n\nOBGYNs would be a prime example of this, obstetric violence is on the rise (some say 1/4 of women have experienced obstetric violence) and many OBGYNs only care about control, money and their schedule and not their patients and their children.",
">\n\nA doctor told me he wouldn’t look into me having adhd or autism because anxiety and depression were easier to treat. I had a doctor who was only concerned about my weight but didn’t give a shit about what was actually causing me to be overweight. She put me into a weight loss program instead of trying to figure out what was actually wrong. Also broke privilege, that said it wasn’t a medical thing but still shouldn’t have said it.\nOf three doctors I’ve had, the majority have been horrible.",
">\n\nI am not a doctor but I have been working directly with doctors, NPs and PAs for almost 25 years. I can tell you there are those that don't care but so many do. A lot of those that don't care are usually jaded because of the absolute shit they have to deal with. The patients that never follow what they are told to fix something and just call and complain that they're not healed, patients that think there's a magic pill to cure whatever is wrong with them. Then there are the people in charge of the facility's operations and how they require certain steps or time frames for things to be done when those people aren't doctors and have only ever been administrators. There's so much bullshit doctor's have to put up with. \nShit, we still, 3 years into COVID and people still want to come in to the clinic where I work without masks and yell at the people asking them to put a mask on. Patients STILL try to act like \"oh, I don't have COVID. It's just allergies\" and they think antibiotics will cure COVID, a cold and a flu. It's fucking ridiculous.",
">\n\nIt's funny that one argument I hear against socialized medicine is that no one would do it for a lower salary, but instead we have jerks who do it only for a high salary and don't care about patients.",
">\n\nI went to a college with a big nursing program, and man some of them were straight up evil. I mean just stuff that made me TERRIFIED they would be in a place where ethics was necessary. \nI had an acquaintance that was a nurse and man some of her posts during COVID made me want to report her. \nBut I do ascribe to the \"1/3 of the world is insane\" principle, and yeah you run into these people all over the place, but still it's kinda spooky because when you're in the hospital or something you are at their absolute MERCY and it makes me kind of nervous I'll get somebody awful if something happens to me.",
">\n\nWhy I stay as far away from health”care” as possible",
">\n\nso what? it's not a requirement",
">\n\nIf you are a care provider then it is required. It's in the name of the job.",
">\n\nOh yea let me just fuck up the entire operation because I don’t care about the patient",
">\n\nWhen you are constantly understaffed and patients assault you, yell at you, are demanding, rude, it takes it's toll. I'm not saying healthcare staff have a right to take it out on you but as someone who works in healthcare I can say just because someone isn't super friendly doesn't mean they are not taking care of you or not doing their best to make your stay nice. \nA lot of people think they know better than the doctor or nurse and get mad when the nurse or doctor doesn't immediately do what you want or say. When you have asked for the same thing 15 times but we can't give it to you for a medical reason we're not being mean, we're doing our job.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nThis has been my experience too. And I used to work in medical research and those people aren’t any better - probably worse I’d say. But doctors and nurses being straight up mean for no reason seems to just be getting worse. \nI won’t go to the doctor anymore unless I absolutely have to. And sometimes not even then. I broke my nose and got a concussion a couple weeks ago and you couldn’t have paid me enough to go to a doctor for that, I can fix that myself good enough to not bother with the experience of dealing with them.",
">\n\nDon’t agree!! Every profession has its share of unprofessionals!!",
">\n\nNurses aide here! I agree to an extent. After limping for three weeks due to being beat up by a patient who was not confused, I’m sorry I cannot just be sunshine and rainbows. But as I’ve heard alotnof people in the healthcare profession say, if you don’t like the care, take ‘em home! My favourite is : “ this is a hospital, not a a hotel!” And I actually love my job. There are good days and bad days and unfortunately, we see everyone on their worst days. Treat people how you want to be treated. I’ve said it a million times. One patient even made fun of how I write my name lol they are choosing to be trouble. It’s not all on the staff.",
">\n\nI could guess it's because they work in an environment dealing with people and dealing with people especially sick or in pain is draining but that's just my two cents",
">\n\nLast year. Covid restrictions were high. Masks. Social distance. All of that. My mom was in a head on collision. She was ok, but we didn’t know that. She was taken to the nearest hospital via ambulance and left in the hallway by a nurse’s station for 6 hours. She was uncomfortable and laying on a stretcher with a neck brace. No doctor or nurse came to talk to her. \nWe were in the waiting room. Begging for one of us to go back there to be with her. We would ask if she was alive, able to communicate, or the simplest of updates. They said they couldn’t tell us until a doctor saw her. Very coldly. My dad just stood there watching the doors. Didn’t sit down. I have never seen him so angry. \nFinally they got her a room. Then allowed 2 visitors at a time. On the way there I was expecting to see packed rooms and frantic, tired looking nurses who were overworked. Nope. So many empty rooms. 8 or so nurses standing around a station. No sense or urgency. No doctor ever did check her. So all of the that for nothing. I can honestly say I’ve never had a positive or warm experience in a hospital.",
">\n\nUsually, when you aren't a massive prick they are nice. So maybe that's on you",
">\n\nMost doctors are smart. Thats about it. Being smart =/= social skills",
">\n\nThe way I see it is that I'm paying for their smart brains not their people skills.",
">\n\n*a lot of the medical profession isn't",
">\n\nAll facts",
">\n\nWhat is ME?",
">\n\nDiagnostic Imaging Tech here. There's some truth to this but there's good reason for some of it as well.\nToday alone, I've been puked on, yelled at by a radiologist for following protocol, told off by a patient cause they didn't have their prep work done and a half dozen difficult exams on top of my normal workload. \nAnd this shit happens regularly. It gets to you after a while. We don't want to give off a bad impression to patients but we're only human.",
">\n\nYep, they’re human and they do it for the money. Not many of them actually have a heart for what they do. But the ones who do are absolute gems.",
">\n\nI'm sure this is just a personal experience, but I kind of feel like the bigger the asshole doctor the better they are as a doctor. Most of the best doctors I've ever had have been kind of assholes",
">\n\nHonestly, I've had the opposite experience. The worst doctors I've had (I have chronic conditions so I've seen many) have been the meanest. They talk down to people, don't listen to symptoms, and claim that things are all in patient's heads. The nicest ones that I've had are the ones that have been able to actually run tests, diagnose me, and help me with ways of managing or curing problems",
">\n\nI don't entirely disagree. All the good ones seem to burn out. The ones that stay harden, are expert at unit politics, and fly under management's radar.",
">\n\nYou have to consider that in order to work in the medical profession you probably need to have somewhat low empathy. People who are very empathic and caring probably couldn't do this job, because they couldn't stop thinking about all the stuff they see at work. You'd see a parent slowly being killed by cancer and their children and partner crying often when they visit, or a patient who was severely injured in some tragic accident dying, and you have to tell that to their family, or a man who had a stroke which made him disabled. \nI hope you get my point, I think people who are high in empathy just couldn't work in a hospital or in the ambulance. They would most likely just get really depressed after a while, it would break them. You need to be able to not let this stuff get to you, and for that you have to be low in empathy, or the big 5 trait agreeableness. Surgents need to be especially low in empathy, because you just can't cut people open if you're a very empathic person. And even though medical professionals are probably low in empathy, there are still some things they experience that even affects them. Being a medical professional is a very emotionally demanding job.",
">\n\nA lot of any profession aren’t very nice people. It’s not a medical thing.",
">\n\nThis is sadly very true. My experience was also not great most of the time. I always find these physician in a hurry to see as many patients as they can. I am not against them making money but I'd expect them to give proper response regarding diet and we'll being. All I get is ... \"Eat everything except deep fried stuff\" .... Bitch please."
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"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care.",
">\n\nMany are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.\nMedical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal.",
">\n\nI've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase \"nurses are heroes,\" I think about Homelander.",
">\n\nOBGYNs would be a prime example of this, obstetric violence is on the rise (some say 1/4 of women have experienced obstetric violence) and many OBGYNs only care about control, money and their schedule and not their patients and their children.",
">\n\nA doctor told me he wouldn’t look into me having adhd or autism because anxiety and depression were easier to treat. I had a doctor who was only concerned about my weight but didn’t give a shit about what was actually causing me to be overweight. She put me into a weight loss program instead of trying to figure out what was actually wrong. Also broke privilege, that said it wasn’t a medical thing but still shouldn’t have said it.\nOf three doctors I’ve had, the majority have been horrible.",
">\n\nI am not a doctor but I have been working directly with doctors, NPs and PAs for almost 25 years. I can tell you there are those that don't care but so many do. A lot of those that don't care are usually jaded because of the absolute shit they have to deal with. The patients that never follow what they are told to fix something and just call and complain that they're not healed, patients that think there's a magic pill to cure whatever is wrong with them. Then there are the people in charge of the facility's operations and how they require certain steps or time frames for things to be done when those people aren't doctors and have only ever been administrators. There's so much bullshit doctor's have to put up with. \nShit, we still, 3 years into COVID and people still want to come in to the clinic where I work without masks and yell at the people asking them to put a mask on. Patients STILL try to act like \"oh, I don't have COVID. It's just allergies\" and they think antibiotics will cure COVID, a cold and a flu. It's fucking ridiculous.",
">\n\nIt's funny that one argument I hear against socialized medicine is that no one would do it for a lower salary, but instead we have jerks who do it only for a high salary and don't care about patients.",
">\n\nI went to a college with a big nursing program, and man some of them were straight up evil. I mean just stuff that made me TERRIFIED they would be in a place where ethics was necessary. \nI had an acquaintance that was a nurse and man some of her posts during COVID made me want to report her. \nBut I do ascribe to the \"1/3 of the world is insane\" principle, and yeah you run into these people all over the place, but still it's kinda spooky because when you're in the hospital or something you are at their absolute MERCY and it makes me kind of nervous I'll get somebody awful if something happens to me.",
">\n\nWhy I stay as far away from health”care” as possible",
">\n\nso what? it's not a requirement",
">\n\nIf you are a care provider then it is required. It's in the name of the job.",
">\n\nOh yea let me just fuck up the entire operation because I don’t care about the patient",
">\n\nWhen you are constantly understaffed and patients assault you, yell at you, are demanding, rude, it takes it's toll. I'm not saying healthcare staff have a right to take it out on you but as someone who works in healthcare I can say just because someone isn't super friendly doesn't mean they are not taking care of you or not doing their best to make your stay nice. \nA lot of people think they know better than the doctor or nurse and get mad when the nurse or doctor doesn't immediately do what you want or say. When you have asked for the same thing 15 times but we can't give it to you for a medical reason we're not being mean, we're doing our job.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nThis has been my experience too. And I used to work in medical research and those people aren’t any better - probably worse I’d say. But doctors and nurses being straight up mean for no reason seems to just be getting worse. \nI won’t go to the doctor anymore unless I absolutely have to. And sometimes not even then. I broke my nose and got a concussion a couple weeks ago and you couldn’t have paid me enough to go to a doctor for that, I can fix that myself good enough to not bother with the experience of dealing with them.",
">\n\nDon’t agree!! Every profession has its share of unprofessionals!!",
">\n\nNurses aide here! I agree to an extent. After limping for three weeks due to being beat up by a patient who was not confused, I’m sorry I cannot just be sunshine and rainbows. But as I’ve heard alotnof people in the healthcare profession say, if you don’t like the care, take ‘em home! My favourite is : “ this is a hospital, not a a hotel!” And I actually love my job. There are good days and bad days and unfortunately, we see everyone on their worst days. Treat people how you want to be treated. I’ve said it a million times. One patient even made fun of how I write my name lol they are choosing to be trouble. It’s not all on the staff.",
">\n\nI could guess it's because they work in an environment dealing with people and dealing with people especially sick or in pain is draining but that's just my two cents",
">\n\nLast year. Covid restrictions were high. Masks. Social distance. All of that. My mom was in a head on collision. She was ok, but we didn’t know that. She was taken to the nearest hospital via ambulance and left in the hallway by a nurse’s station for 6 hours. She was uncomfortable and laying on a stretcher with a neck brace. No doctor or nurse came to talk to her. \nWe were in the waiting room. Begging for one of us to go back there to be with her. We would ask if she was alive, able to communicate, or the simplest of updates. They said they couldn’t tell us until a doctor saw her. Very coldly. My dad just stood there watching the doors. Didn’t sit down. I have never seen him so angry. \nFinally they got her a room. Then allowed 2 visitors at a time. On the way there I was expecting to see packed rooms and frantic, tired looking nurses who were overworked. Nope. So many empty rooms. 8 or so nurses standing around a station. No sense or urgency. No doctor ever did check her. So all of the that for nothing. I can honestly say I’ve never had a positive or warm experience in a hospital.",
">\n\nUsually, when you aren't a massive prick they are nice. So maybe that's on you",
">\n\nMost doctors are smart. Thats about it. Being smart =/= social skills",
">\n\nThe way I see it is that I'm paying for their smart brains not their people skills.",
">\n\n*a lot of the medical profession isn't",
">\n\nAll facts",
">\n\nWhat is ME?",
">\n\nDiagnostic Imaging Tech here. There's some truth to this but there's good reason for some of it as well.\nToday alone, I've been puked on, yelled at by a radiologist for following protocol, told off by a patient cause they didn't have their prep work done and a half dozen difficult exams on top of my normal workload. \nAnd this shit happens regularly. It gets to you after a while. We don't want to give off a bad impression to patients but we're only human.",
">\n\nYep, they’re human and they do it for the money. Not many of them actually have a heart for what they do. But the ones who do are absolute gems.",
">\n\nI'm sure this is just a personal experience, but I kind of feel like the bigger the asshole doctor the better they are as a doctor. Most of the best doctors I've ever had have been kind of assholes",
">\n\nHonestly, I've had the opposite experience. The worst doctors I've had (I have chronic conditions so I've seen many) have been the meanest. They talk down to people, don't listen to symptoms, and claim that things are all in patient's heads. The nicest ones that I've had are the ones that have been able to actually run tests, diagnose me, and help me with ways of managing or curing problems",
">\n\nI don't entirely disagree. All the good ones seem to burn out. The ones that stay harden, are expert at unit politics, and fly under management's radar.",
">\n\nYou have to consider that in order to work in the medical profession you probably need to have somewhat low empathy. People who are very empathic and caring probably couldn't do this job, because they couldn't stop thinking about all the stuff they see at work. You'd see a parent slowly being killed by cancer and their children and partner crying often when they visit, or a patient who was severely injured in some tragic accident dying, and you have to tell that to their family, or a man who had a stroke which made him disabled. \nI hope you get my point, I think people who are high in empathy just couldn't work in a hospital or in the ambulance. They would most likely just get really depressed after a while, it would break them. You need to be able to not let this stuff get to you, and for that you have to be low in empathy, or the big 5 trait agreeableness. Surgents need to be especially low in empathy, because you just can't cut people open if you're a very empathic person. And even though medical professionals are probably low in empathy, there are still some things they experience that even affects them. Being a medical professional is a very emotionally demanding job.",
">\n\nA lot of any profession aren’t very nice people. It’s not a medical thing.",
">\n\nThis is sadly very true. My experience was also not great most of the time. I always find these physician in a hurry to see as many patients as they can. I am not against them making money but I'd expect them to give proper response regarding diet and we'll being. All I get is ... \"Eat everything except deep fried stuff\" .... Bitch please.",
">\n\nMmm...\"don't really care\" is a bit of a stretch. These people obviously cared enough at some point to go through all the school / debt to start taking care of people. \nI think a couple reasons for the \"aren't very nice\" aspect...\n-Our current medical model selects for people who are very good at sciences (biology, organic chemistry, physics, etc) who get high scores on tests. I think it would benefit us to start looking at people with a more liberal arts background / people with work experience. \n-Speaking from the physician side, it is very hard to be nice / appear really caring when you've been up 28 hours every couple of days for years at a time. It can take a lot out of you. \n-People who are naturally malignant/mean get a pass in the medical environment and some people who are naturally mean spirited thrive here. All you have to do is position what you're doing in the name of \"patient safety\" and you get away with it. (A nurse yelling at other nurses, nurses yelling at residents, attendings yelling at residents, residents yelling/belittling medical students). \n-Cultures of abuse self propagate. It happened to me and made me better, so now I'm going to do it to you."
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"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care.",
">\n\nMany are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.\nMedical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal.",
">\n\nI've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase \"nurses are heroes,\" I think about Homelander.",
">\n\nOBGYNs would be a prime example of this, obstetric violence is on the rise (some say 1/4 of women have experienced obstetric violence) and many OBGYNs only care about control, money and their schedule and not their patients and their children.",
">\n\nA doctor told me he wouldn’t look into me having adhd or autism because anxiety and depression were easier to treat. I had a doctor who was only concerned about my weight but didn’t give a shit about what was actually causing me to be overweight. She put me into a weight loss program instead of trying to figure out what was actually wrong. Also broke privilege, that said it wasn’t a medical thing but still shouldn’t have said it.\nOf three doctors I’ve had, the majority have been horrible.",
">\n\nI am not a doctor but I have been working directly with doctors, NPs and PAs for almost 25 years. I can tell you there are those that don't care but so many do. A lot of those that don't care are usually jaded because of the absolute shit they have to deal with. The patients that never follow what they are told to fix something and just call and complain that they're not healed, patients that think there's a magic pill to cure whatever is wrong with them. Then there are the people in charge of the facility's operations and how they require certain steps or time frames for things to be done when those people aren't doctors and have only ever been administrators. There's so much bullshit doctor's have to put up with. \nShit, we still, 3 years into COVID and people still want to come in to the clinic where I work without masks and yell at the people asking them to put a mask on. Patients STILL try to act like \"oh, I don't have COVID. It's just allergies\" and they think antibiotics will cure COVID, a cold and a flu. It's fucking ridiculous.",
">\n\nIt's funny that one argument I hear against socialized medicine is that no one would do it for a lower salary, but instead we have jerks who do it only for a high salary and don't care about patients.",
">\n\nI went to a college with a big nursing program, and man some of them were straight up evil. I mean just stuff that made me TERRIFIED they would be in a place where ethics was necessary. \nI had an acquaintance that was a nurse and man some of her posts during COVID made me want to report her. \nBut I do ascribe to the \"1/3 of the world is insane\" principle, and yeah you run into these people all over the place, but still it's kinda spooky because when you're in the hospital or something you are at their absolute MERCY and it makes me kind of nervous I'll get somebody awful if something happens to me.",
">\n\nWhy I stay as far away from health”care” as possible",
">\n\nso what? it's not a requirement",
">\n\nIf you are a care provider then it is required. It's in the name of the job.",
">\n\nOh yea let me just fuck up the entire operation because I don’t care about the patient",
">\n\nWhen you are constantly understaffed and patients assault you, yell at you, are demanding, rude, it takes it's toll. I'm not saying healthcare staff have a right to take it out on you but as someone who works in healthcare I can say just because someone isn't super friendly doesn't mean they are not taking care of you or not doing their best to make your stay nice. \nA lot of people think they know better than the doctor or nurse and get mad when the nurse or doctor doesn't immediately do what you want or say. When you have asked for the same thing 15 times but we can't give it to you for a medical reason we're not being mean, we're doing our job.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nThis has been my experience too. And I used to work in medical research and those people aren’t any better - probably worse I’d say. But doctors and nurses being straight up mean for no reason seems to just be getting worse. \nI won’t go to the doctor anymore unless I absolutely have to. And sometimes not even then. I broke my nose and got a concussion a couple weeks ago and you couldn’t have paid me enough to go to a doctor for that, I can fix that myself good enough to not bother with the experience of dealing with them.",
">\n\nDon’t agree!! Every profession has its share of unprofessionals!!",
">\n\nNurses aide here! I agree to an extent. After limping for three weeks due to being beat up by a patient who was not confused, I’m sorry I cannot just be sunshine and rainbows. But as I’ve heard alotnof people in the healthcare profession say, if you don’t like the care, take ‘em home! My favourite is : “ this is a hospital, not a a hotel!” And I actually love my job. There are good days and bad days and unfortunately, we see everyone on their worst days. Treat people how you want to be treated. I’ve said it a million times. One patient even made fun of how I write my name lol they are choosing to be trouble. It’s not all on the staff.",
">\n\nI could guess it's because they work in an environment dealing with people and dealing with people especially sick or in pain is draining but that's just my two cents",
">\n\nLast year. Covid restrictions were high. Masks. Social distance. All of that. My mom was in a head on collision. She was ok, but we didn’t know that. She was taken to the nearest hospital via ambulance and left in the hallway by a nurse’s station for 6 hours. She was uncomfortable and laying on a stretcher with a neck brace. No doctor or nurse came to talk to her. \nWe were in the waiting room. Begging for one of us to go back there to be with her. We would ask if she was alive, able to communicate, or the simplest of updates. They said they couldn’t tell us until a doctor saw her. Very coldly. My dad just stood there watching the doors. Didn’t sit down. I have never seen him so angry. \nFinally they got her a room. Then allowed 2 visitors at a time. On the way there I was expecting to see packed rooms and frantic, tired looking nurses who were overworked. Nope. So many empty rooms. 8 or so nurses standing around a station. No sense or urgency. No doctor ever did check her. So all of the that for nothing. I can honestly say I’ve never had a positive or warm experience in a hospital.",
">\n\nUsually, when you aren't a massive prick they are nice. So maybe that's on you",
">\n\nMost doctors are smart. Thats about it. Being smart =/= social skills",
">\n\nThe way I see it is that I'm paying for their smart brains not their people skills.",
">\n\n*a lot of the medical profession isn't",
">\n\nAll facts",
">\n\nWhat is ME?",
">\n\nDiagnostic Imaging Tech here. There's some truth to this but there's good reason for some of it as well.\nToday alone, I've been puked on, yelled at by a radiologist for following protocol, told off by a patient cause they didn't have their prep work done and a half dozen difficult exams on top of my normal workload. \nAnd this shit happens regularly. It gets to you after a while. We don't want to give off a bad impression to patients but we're only human.",
">\n\nYep, they’re human and they do it for the money. Not many of them actually have a heart for what they do. But the ones who do are absolute gems.",
">\n\nI'm sure this is just a personal experience, but I kind of feel like the bigger the asshole doctor the better they are as a doctor. Most of the best doctors I've ever had have been kind of assholes",
">\n\nHonestly, I've had the opposite experience. The worst doctors I've had (I have chronic conditions so I've seen many) have been the meanest. They talk down to people, don't listen to symptoms, and claim that things are all in patient's heads. The nicest ones that I've had are the ones that have been able to actually run tests, diagnose me, and help me with ways of managing or curing problems",
">\n\nI don't entirely disagree. All the good ones seem to burn out. The ones that stay harden, are expert at unit politics, and fly under management's radar.",
">\n\nYou have to consider that in order to work in the medical profession you probably need to have somewhat low empathy. People who are very empathic and caring probably couldn't do this job, because they couldn't stop thinking about all the stuff they see at work. You'd see a parent slowly being killed by cancer and their children and partner crying often when they visit, or a patient who was severely injured in some tragic accident dying, and you have to tell that to their family, or a man who had a stroke which made him disabled. \nI hope you get my point, I think people who are high in empathy just couldn't work in a hospital or in the ambulance. They would most likely just get really depressed after a while, it would break them. You need to be able to not let this stuff get to you, and for that you have to be low in empathy, or the big 5 trait agreeableness. Surgents need to be especially low in empathy, because you just can't cut people open if you're a very empathic person. And even though medical professionals are probably low in empathy, there are still some things they experience that even affects them. Being a medical professional is a very emotionally demanding job.",
">\n\nA lot of any profession aren’t very nice people. It’s not a medical thing.",
">\n\nThis is sadly very true. My experience was also not great most of the time. I always find these physician in a hurry to see as many patients as they can. I am not against them making money but I'd expect them to give proper response regarding diet and we'll being. All I get is ... \"Eat everything except deep fried stuff\" .... Bitch please.",
">\n\nMmm...\"don't really care\" is a bit of a stretch. These people obviously cared enough at some point to go through all the school / debt to start taking care of people. \nI think a couple reasons for the \"aren't very nice\" aspect...\n-Our current medical model selects for people who are very good at sciences (biology, organic chemistry, physics, etc) who get high scores on tests. I think it would benefit us to start looking at people with a more liberal arts background / people with work experience. \n-Speaking from the physician side, it is very hard to be nice / appear really caring when you've been up 28 hours every couple of days for years at a time. It can take a lot out of you. \n-People who are naturally malignant/mean get a pass in the medical environment and some people who are naturally mean spirited thrive here. All you have to do is position what you're doing in the name of \"patient safety\" and you get away with it. (A nurse yelling at other nurses, nurses yelling at residents, attendings yelling at residents, residents yelling/belittling medical students). \n-Cultures of abuse self propagate. It happened to me and made me better, so now I'm going to do it to you.",
">\n\nThe biggest assholes are those in healthcare, for sure."
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"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care.",
">\n\nMany are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.\nMedical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal.",
">\n\nI've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase \"nurses are heroes,\" I think about Homelander.",
">\n\nOBGYNs would be a prime example of this, obstetric violence is on the rise (some say 1/4 of women have experienced obstetric violence) and many OBGYNs only care about control, money and their schedule and not their patients and their children.",
">\n\nA doctor told me he wouldn’t look into me having adhd or autism because anxiety and depression were easier to treat. I had a doctor who was only concerned about my weight but didn’t give a shit about what was actually causing me to be overweight. She put me into a weight loss program instead of trying to figure out what was actually wrong. Also broke privilege, that said it wasn’t a medical thing but still shouldn’t have said it.\nOf three doctors I’ve had, the majority have been horrible.",
">\n\nI am not a doctor but I have been working directly with doctors, NPs and PAs for almost 25 years. I can tell you there are those that don't care but so many do. A lot of those that don't care are usually jaded because of the absolute shit they have to deal with. The patients that never follow what they are told to fix something and just call and complain that they're not healed, patients that think there's a magic pill to cure whatever is wrong with them. Then there are the people in charge of the facility's operations and how they require certain steps or time frames for things to be done when those people aren't doctors and have only ever been administrators. There's so much bullshit doctor's have to put up with. \nShit, we still, 3 years into COVID and people still want to come in to the clinic where I work without masks and yell at the people asking them to put a mask on. Patients STILL try to act like \"oh, I don't have COVID. It's just allergies\" and they think antibiotics will cure COVID, a cold and a flu. It's fucking ridiculous.",
">\n\nIt's funny that one argument I hear against socialized medicine is that no one would do it for a lower salary, but instead we have jerks who do it only for a high salary and don't care about patients.",
">\n\nI went to a college with a big nursing program, and man some of them were straight up evil. I mean just stuff that made me TERRIFIED they would be in a place where ethics was necessary. \nI had an acquaintance that was a nurse and man some of her posts during COVID made me want to report her. \nBut I do ascribe to the \"1/3 of the world is insane\" principle, and yeah you run into these people all over the place, but still it's kinda spooky because when you're in the hospital or something you are at their absolute MERCY and it makes me kind of nervous I'll get somebody awful if something happens to me.",
">\n\nWhy I stay as far away from health”care” as possible",
">\n\nso what? it's not a requirement",
">\n\nIf you are a care provider then it is required. It's in the name of the job.",
">\n\nOh yea let me just fuck up the entire operation because I don’t care about the patient",
">\n\nWhen you are constantly understaffed and patients assault you, yell at you, are demanding, rude, it takes it's toll. I'm not saying healthcare staff have a right to take it out on you but as someone who works in healthcare I can say just because someone isn't super friendly doesn't mean they are not taking care of you or not doing their best to make your stay nice. \nA lot of people think they know better than the doctor or nurse and get mad when the nurse or doctor doesn't immediately do what you want or say. When you have asked for the same thing 15 times but we can't give it to you for a medical reason we're not being mean, we're doing our job.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nThis has been my experience too. And I used to work in medical research and those people aren’t any better - probably worse I’d say. But doctors and nurses being straight up mean for no reason seems to just be getting worse. \nI won’t go to the doctor anymore unless I absolutely have to. And sometimes not even then. I broke my nose and got a concussion a couple weeks ago and you couldn’t have paid me enough to go to a doctor for that, I can fix that myself good enough to not bother with the experience of dealing with them.",
">\n\nDon’t agree!! Every profession has its share of unprofessionals!!",
">\n\nNurses aide here! I agree to an extent. After limping for three weeks due to being beat up by a patient who was not confused, I’m sorry I cannot just be sunshine and rainbows. But as I’ve heard alotnof people in the healthcare profession say, if you don’t like the care, take ‘em home! My favourite is : “ this is a hospital, not a a hotel!” And I actually love my job. There are good days and bad days and unfortunately, we see everyone on their worst days. Treat people how you want to be treated. I’ve said it a million times. One patient even made fun of how I write my name lol they are choosing to be trouble. It’s not all on the staff.",
">\n\nI could guess it's because they work in an environment dealing with people and dealing with people especially sick or in pain is draining but that's just my two cents",
">\n\nLast year. Covid restrictions were high. Masks. Social distance. All of that. My mom was in a head on collision. She was ok, but we didn’t know that. She was taken to the nearest hospital via ambulance and left in the hallway by a nurse’s station for 6 hours. She was uncomfortable and laying on a stretcher with a neck brace. No doctor or nurse came to talk to her. \nWe were in the waiting room. Begging for one of us to go back there to be with her. We would ask if she was alive, able to communicate, or the simplest of updates. They said they couldn’t tell us until a doctor saw her. Very coldly. My dad just stood there watching the doors. Didn’t sit down. I have never seen him so angry. \nFinally they got her a room. Then allowed 2 visitors at a time. On the way there I was expecting to see packed rooms and frantic, tired looking nurses who were overworked. Nope. So many empty rooms. 8 or so nurses standing around a station. No sense or urgency. No doctor ever did check her. So all of the that for nothing. I can honestly say I’ve never had a positive or warm experience in a hospital.",
">\n\nUsually, when you aren't a massive prick they are nice. So maybe that's on you",
">\n\nMost doctors are smart. Thats about it. Being smart =/= social skills",
">\n\nThe way I see it is that I'm paying for their smart brains not their people skills.",
">\n\n*a lot of the medical profession isn't",
">\n\nAll facts",
">\n\nWhat is ME?",
">\n\nDiagnostic Imaging Tech here. There's some truth to this but there's good reason for some of it as well.\nToday alone, I've been puked on, yelled at by a radiologist for following protocol, told off by a patient cause they didn't have their prep work done and a half dozen difficult exams on top of my normal workload. \nAnd this shit happens regularly. It gets to you after a while. We don't want to give off a bad impression to patients but we're only human.",
">\n\nYep, they’re human and they do it for the money. Not many of them actually have a heart for what they do. But the ones who do are absolute gems.",
">\n\nI'm sure this is just a personal experience, but I kind of feel like the bigger the asshole doctor the better they are as a doctor. Most of the best doctors I've ever had have been kind of assholes",
">\n\nHonestly, I've had the opposite experience. The worst doctors I've had (I have chronic conditions so I've seen many) have been the meanest. They talk down to people, don't listen to symptoms, and claim that things are all in patient's heads. The nicest ones that I've had are the ones that have been able to actually run tests, diagnose me, and help me with ways of managing or curing problems",
">\n\nI don't entirely disagree. All the good ones seem to burn out. The ones that stay harden, are expert at unit politics, and fly under management's radar.",
">\n\nYou have to consider that in order to work in the medical profession you probably need to have somewhat low empathy. People who are very empathic and caring probably couldn't do this job, because they couldn't stop thinking about all the stuff they see at work. You'd see a parent slowly being killed by cancer and their children and partner crying often when they visit, or a patient who was severely injured in some tragic accident dying, and you have to tell that to their family, or a man who had a stroke which made him disabled. \nI hope you get my point, I think people who are high in empathy just couldn't work in a hospital or in the ambulance. They would most likely just get really depressed after a while, it would break them. You need to be able to not let this stuff get to you, and for that you have to be low in empathy, or the big 5 trait agreeableness. Surgents need to be especially low in empathy, because you just can't cut people open if you're a very empathic person. And even though medical professionals are probably low in empathy, there are still some things they experience that even affects them. Being a medical professional is a very emotionally demanding job.",
">\n\nA lot of any profession aren’t very nice people. It’s not a medical thing.",
">\n\nThis is sadly very true. My experience was also not great most of the time. I always find these physician in a hurry to see as many patients as they can. I am not against them making money but I'd expect them to give proper response regarding diet and we'll being. All I get is ... \"Eat everything except deep fried stuff\" .... Bitch please.",
">\n\nMmm...\"don't really care\" is a bit of a stretch. These people obviously cared enough at some point to go through all the school / debt to start taking care of people. \nI think a couple reasons for the \"aren't very nice\" aspect...\n-Our current medical model selects for people who are very good at sciences (biology, organic chemistry, physics, etc) who get high scores on tests. I think it would benefit us to start looking at people with a more liberal arts background / people with work experience. \n-Speaking from the physician side, it is very hard to be nice / appear really caring when you've been up 28 hours every couple of days for years at a time. It can take a lot out of you. \n-People who are naturally malignant/mean get a pass in the medical environment and some people who are naturally mean spirited thrive here. All you have to do is position what you're doing in the name of \"patient safety\" and you get away with it. (A nurse yelling at other nurses, nurses yelling at residents, attendings yelling at residents, residents yelling/belittling medical students). \n-Cultures of abuse self propagate. It happened to me and made me better, so now I'm going to do it to you.",
">\n\nThe biggest assholes are those in healthcare, for sure.",
">\n\nThe majority of them are only there for the money.\nPatient wellbeing or ethics? That kind of stuff only comes at their convenience/sudden whim"
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Doctors here in westcoast 🇨🇦 are downright prudes sitting on thrones
Nurses are saints, paramedics deserve all the gold
Specialists reluctant, sometimes lazy, but generally alright and vital
Counsellors/Psyche workers either wonderful , aloof or complete narcicist c****
I just want to emphasize again: Nurses and Paramedical are living, breathing saints and do NOT get the pay, the resources, or the love they deserve.
If you're a Nurse or Paramedic reading this: It's because of people like you that I'm alive and here today, so thank you 💐 | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care.",
">\n\nMany are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.\nMedical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal.",
">\n\nI've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase \"nurses are heroes,\" I think about Homelander.",
">\n\nOBGYNs would be a prime example of this, obstetric violence is on the rise (some say 1/4 of women have experienced obstetric violence) and many OBGYNs only care about control, money and their schedule and not their patients and their children.",
">\n\nA doctor told me he wouldn’t look into me having adhd or autism because anxiety and depression were easier to treat. I had a doctor who was only concerned about my weight but didn’t give a shit about what was actually causing me to be overweight. She put me into a weight loss program instead of trying to figure out what was actually wrong. Also broke privilege, that said it wasn’t a medical thing but still shouldn’t have said it.\nOf three doctors I’ve had, the majority have been horrible.",
">\n\nI am not a doctor but I have been working directly with doctors, NPs and PAs for almost 25 years. I can tell you there are those that don't care but so many do. A lot of those that don't care are usually jaded because of the absolute shit they have to deal with. The patients that never follow what they are told to fix something and just call and complain that they're not healed, patients that think there's a magic pill to cure whatever is wrong with them. Then there are the people in charge of the facility's operations and how they require certain steps or time frames for things to be done when those people aren't doctors and have only ever been administrators. There's so much bullshit doctor's have to put up with. \nShit, we still, 3 years into COVID and people still want to come in to the clinic where I work without masks and yell at the people asking them to put a mask on. Patients STILL try to act like \"oh, I don't have COVID. It's just allergies\" and they think antibiotics will cure COVID, a cold and a flu. It's fucking ridiculous.",
">\n\nIt's funny that one argument I hear against socialized medicine is that no one would do it for a lower salary, but instead we have jerks who do it only for a high salary and don't care about patients.",
">\n\nI went to a college with a big nursing program, and man some of them were straight up evil. I mean just stuff that made me TERRIFIED they would be in a place where ethics was necessary. \nI had an acquaintance that was a nurse and man some of her posts during COVID made me want to report her. \nBut I do ascribe to the \"1/3 of the world is insane\" principle, and yeah you run into these people all over the place, but still it's kinda spooky because when you're in the hospital or something you are at their absolute MERCY and it makes me kind of nervous I'll get somebody awful if something happens to me.",
">\n\nWhy I stay as far away from health”care” as possible",
">\n\nso what? it's not a requirement",
">\n\nIf you are a care provider then it is required. It's in the name of the job.",
">\n\nOh yea let me just fuck up the entire operation because I don’t care about the patient",
">\n\nWhen you are constantly understaffed and patients assault you, yell at you, are demanding, rude, it takes it's toll. I'm not saying healthcare staff have a right to take it out on you but as someone who works in healthcare I can say just because someone isn't super friendly doesn't mean they are not taking care of you or not doing their best to make your stay nice. \nA lot of people think they know better than the doctor or nurse and get mad when the nurse or doctor doesn't immediately do what you want or say. When you have asked for the same thing 15 times but we can't give it to you for a medical reason we're not being mean, we're doing our job.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nThis has been my experience too. And I used to work in medical research and those people aren’t any better - probably worse I’d say. But doctors and nurses being straight up mean for no reason seems to just be getting worse. \nI won’t go to the doctor anymore unless I absolutely have to. And sometimes not even then. I broke my nose and got a concussion a couple weeks ago and you couldn’t have paid me enough to go to a doctor for that, I can fix that myself good enough to not bother with the experience of dealing with them.",
">\n\nDon’t agree!! Every profession has its share of unprofessionals!!",
">\n\nNurses aide here! I agree to an extent. After limping for three weeks due to being beat up by a patient who was not confused, I’m sorry I cannot just be sunshine and rainbows. But as I’ve heard alotnof people in the healthcare profession say, if you don’t like the care, take ‘em home! My favourite is : “ this is a hospital, not a a hotel!” And I actually love my job. There are good days and bad days and unfortunately, we see everyone on their worst days. Treat people how you want to be treated. I’ve said it a million times. One patient even made fun of how I write my name lol they are choosing to be trouble. It’s not all on the staff.",
">\n\nI could guess it's because they work in an environment dealing with people and dealing with people especially sick or in pain is draining but that's just my two cents",
">\n\nLast year. Covid restrictions were high. Masks. Social distance. All of that. My mom was in a head on collision. She was ok, but we didn’t know that. She was taken to the nearest hospital via ambulance and left in the hallway by a nurse’s station for 6 hours. She was uncomfortable and laying on a stretcher with a neck brace. No doctor or nurse came to talk to her. \nWe were in the waiting room. Begging for one of us to go back there to be with her. We would ask if she was alive, able to communicate, or the simplest of updates. They said they couldn’t tell us until a doctor saw her. Very coldly. My dad just stood there watching the doors. Didn’t sit down. I have never seen him so angry. \nFinally they got her a room. Then allowed 2 visitors at a time. On the way there I was expecting to see packed rooms and frantic, tired looking nurses who were overworked. Nope. So many empty rooms. 8 or so nurses standing around a station. No sense or urgency. No doctor ever did check her. So all of the that for nothing. I can honestly say I’ve never had a positive or warm experience in a hospital.",
">\n\nUsually, when you aren't a massive prick they are nice. So maybe that's on you",
">\n\nMost doctors are smart. Thats about it. Being smart =/= social skills",
">\n\nThe way I see it is that I'm paying for their smart brains not their people skills.",
">\n\n*a lot of the medical profession isn't",
">\n\nAll facts",
">\n\nWhat is ME?",
">\n\nDiagnostic Imaging Tech here. There's some truth to this but there's good reason for some of it as well.\nToday alone, I've been puked on, yelled at by a radiologist for following protocol, told off by a patient cause they didn't have their prep work done and a half dozen difficult exams on top of my normal workload. \nAnd this shit happens regularly. It gets to you after a while. We don't want to give off a bad impression to patients but we're only human.",
">\n\nYep, they’re human and they do it for the money. Not many of them actually have a heart for what they do. But the ones who do are absolute gems.",
">\n\nI'm sure this is just a personal experience, but I kind of feel like the bigger the asshole doctor the better they are as a doctor. Most of the best doctors I've ever had have been kind of assholes",
">\n\nHonestly, I've had the opposite experience. The worst doctors I've had (I have chronic conditions so I've seen many) have been the meanest. They talk down to people, don't listen to symptoms, and claim that things are all in patient's heads. The nicest ones that I've had are the ones that have been able to actually run tests, diagnose me, and help me with ways of managing or curing problems",
">\n\nI don't entirely disagree. All the good ones seem to burn out. The ones that stay harden, are expert at unit politics, and fly under management's radar.",
">\n\nYou have to consider that in order to work in the medical profession you probably need to have somewhat low empathy. People who are very empathic and caring probably couldn't do this job, because they couldn't stop thinking about all the stuff they see at work. You'd see a parent slowly being killed by cancer and their children and partner crying often when they visit, or a patient who was severely injured in some tragic accident dying, and you have to tell that to their family, or a man who had a stroke which made him disabled. \nI hope you get my point, I think people who are high in empathy just couldn't work in a hospital or in the ambulance. They would most likely just get really depressed after a while, it would break them. You need to be able to not let this stuff get to you, and for that you have to be low in empathy, or the big 5 trait agreeableness. Surgents need to be especially low in empathy, because you just can't cut people open if you're a very empathic person. And even though medical professionals are probably low in empathy, there are still some things they experience that even affects them. Being a medical professional is a very emotionally demanding job.",
">\n\nA lot of any profession aren’t very nice people. It’s not a medical thing.",
">\n\nThis is sadly very true. My experience was also not great most of the time. I always find these physician in a hurry to see as many patients as they can. I am not against them making money but I'd expect them to give proper response regarding diet and we'll being. All I get is ... \"Eat everything except deep fried stuff\" .... Bitch please.",
">\n\nMmm...\"don't really care\" is a bit of a stretch. These people obviously cared enough at some point to go through all the school / debt to start taking care of people. \nI think a couple reasons for the \"aren't very nice\" aspect...\n-Our current medical model selects for people who are very good at sciences (biology, organic chemistry, physics, etc) who get high scores on tests. I think it would benefit us to start looking at people with a more liberal arts background / people with work experience. \n-Speaking from the physician side, it is very hard to be nice / appear really caring when you've been up 28 hours every couple of days for years at a time. It can take a lot out of you. \n-People who are naturally malignant/mean get a pass in the medical environment and some people who are naturally mean spirited thrive here. All you have to do is position what you're doing in the name of \"patient safety\" and you get away with it. (A nurse yelling at other nurses, nurses yelling at residents, attendings yelling at residents, residents yelling/belittling medical students). \n-Cultures of abuse self propagate. It happened to me and made me better, so now I'm going to do it to you.",
">\n\nThe biggest assholes are those in healthcare, for sure.",
">\n\nThe majority of them are only there for the money.\nPatient wellbeing or ethics? That kind of stuff only comes at their convenience/sudden whim",
">\n\nI deal with a lot of doctors through the social circles I run around in, and 90% of doctors I run into are arrogant assholes who believe they are better than everyone."
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"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care.",
">\n\nMany are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.\nMedical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal.",
">\n\nI've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase \"nurses are heroes,\" I think about Homelander.",
">\n\nOBGYNs would be a prime example of this, obstetric violence is on the rise (some say 1/4 of women have experienced obstetric violence) and many OBGYNs only care about control, money and their schedule and not their patients and their children.",
">\n\nA doctor told me he wouldn’t look into me having adhd or autism because anxiety and depression were easier to treat. I had a doctor who was only concerned about my weight but didn’t give a shit about what was actually causing me to be overweight. She put me into a weight loss program instead of trying to figure out what was actually wrong. Also broke privilege, that said it wasn’t a medical thing but still shouldn’t have said it.\nOf three doctors I’ve had, the majority have been horrible.",
">\n\nI am not a doctor but I have been working directly with doctors, NPs and PAs for almost 25 years. I can tell you there are those that don't care but so many do. A lot of those that don't care are usually jaded because of the absolute shit they have to deal with. The patients that never follow what they are told to fix something and just call and complain that they're not healed, patients that think there's a magic pill to cure whatever is wrong with them. Then there are the people in charge of the facility's operations and how they require certain steps or time frames for things to be done when those people aren't doctors and have only ever been administrators. There's so much bullshit doctor's have to put up with. \nShit, we still, 3 years into COVID and people still want to come in to the clinic where I work without masks and yell at the people asking them to put a mask on. Patients STILL try to act like \"oh, I don't have COVID. It's just allergies\" and they think antibiotics will cure COVID, a cold and a flu. It's fucking ridiculous.",
">\n\nIt's funny that one argument I hear against socialized medicine is that no one would do it for a lower salary, but instead we have jerks who do it only for a high salary and don't care about patients.",
">\n\nI went to a college with a big nursing program, and man some of them were straight up evil. I mean just stuff that made me TERRIFIED they would be in a place where ethics was necessary. \nI had an acquaintance that was a nurse and man some of her posts during COVID made me want to report her. \nBut I do ascribe to the \"1/3 of the world is insane\" principle, and yeah you run into these people all over the place, but still it's kinda spooky because when you're in the hospital or something you are at their absolute MERCY and it makes me kind of nervous I'll get somebody awful if something happens to me.",
">\n\nWhy I stay as far away from health”care” as possible",
">\n\nso what? it's not a requirement",
">\n\nIf you are a care provider then it is required. It's in the name of the job.",
">\n\nOh yea let me just fuck up the entire operation because I don’t care about the patient",
">\n\nWhen you are constantly understaffed and patients assault you, yell at you, are demanding, rude, it takes it's toll. I'm not saying healthcare staff have a right to take it out on you but as someone who works in healthcare I can say just because someone isn't super friendly doesn't mean they are not taking care of you or not doing their best to make your stay nice. \nA lot of people think they know better than the doctor or nurse and get mad when the nurse or doctor doesn't immediately do what you want or say. When you have asked for the same thing 15 times but we can't give it to you for a medical reason we're not being mean, we're doing our job.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nThis has been my experience too. And I used to work in medical research and those people aren’t any better - probably worse I’d say. But doctors and nurses being straight up mean for no reason seems to just be getting worse. \nI won’t go to the doctor anymore unless I absolutely have to. And sometimes not even then. I broke my nose and got a concussion a couple weeks ago and you couldn’t have paid me enough to go to a doctor for that, I can fix that myself good enough to not bother with the experience of dealing with them.",
">\n\nDon’t agree!! Every profession has its share of unprofessionals!!",
">\n\nNurses aide here! I agree to an extent. After limping for three weeks due to being beat up by a patient who was not confused, I’m sorry I cannot just be sunshine and rainbows. But as I’ve heard alotnof people in the healthcare profession say, if you don’t like the care, take ‘em home! My favourite is : “ this is a hospital, not a a hotel!” And I actually love my job. There are good days and bad days and unfortunately, we see everyone on their worst days. Treat people how you want to be treated. I’ve said it a million times. One patient even made fun of how I write my name lol they are choosing to be trouble. It’s not all on the staff.",
">\n\nI could guess it's because they work in an environment dealing with people and dealing with people especially sick or in pain is draining but that's just my two cents",
">\n\nLast year. Covid restrictions were high. Masks. Social distance. All of that. My mom was in a head on collision. She was ok, but we didn’t know that. She was taken to the nearest hospital via ambulance and left in the hallway by a nurse’s station for 6 hours. She was uncomfortable and laying on a stretcher with a neck brace. No doctor or nurse came to talk to her. \nWe were in the waiting room. Begging for one of us to go back there to be with her. We would ask if she was alive, able to communicate, or the simplest of updates. They said they couldn’t tell us until a doctor saw her. Very coldly. My dad just stood there watching the doors. Didn’t sit down. I have never seen him so angry. \nFinally they got her a room. Then allowed 2 visitors at a time. On the way there I was expecting to see packed rooms and frantic, tired looking nurses who were overworked. Nope. So many empty rooms. 8 or so nurses standing around a station. No sense or urgency. No doctor ever did check her. So all of the that for nothing. I can honestly say I’ve never had a positive or warm experience in a hospital.",
">\n\nUsually, when you aren't a massive prick they are nice. So maybe that's on you",
">\n\nMost doctors are smart. Thats about it. Being smart =/= social skills",
">\n\nThe way I see it is that I'm paying for their smart brains not their people skills.",
">\n\n*a lot of the medical profession isn't",
">\n\nAll facts",
">\n\nWhat is ME?",
">\n\nDiagnostic Imaging Tech here. There's some truth to this but there's good reason for some of it as well.\nToday alone, I've been puked on, yelled at by a radiologist for following protocol, told off by a patient cause they didn't have their prep work done and a half dozen difficult exams on top of my normal workload. \nAnd this shit happens regularly. It gets to you after a while. We don't want to give off a bad impression to patients but we're only human.",
">\n\nYep, they’re human and they do it for the money. Not many of them actually have a heart for what they do. But the ones who do are absolute gems.",
">\n\nI'm sure this is just a personal experience, but I kind of feel like the bigger the asshole doctor the better they are as a doctor. Most of the best doctors I've ever had have been kind of assholes",
">\n\nHonestly, I've had the opposite experience. The worst doctors I've had (I have chronic conditions so I've seen many) have been the meanest. They talk down to people, don't listen to symptoms, and claim that things are all in patient's heads. The nicest ones that I've had are the ones that have been able to actually run tests, diagnose me, and help me with ways of managing or curing problems",
">\n\nI don't entirely disagree. All the good ones seem to burn out. The ones that stay harden, are expert at unit politics, and fly under management's radar.",
">\n\nYou have to consider that in order to work in the medical profession you probably need to have somewhat low empathy. People who are very empathic and caring probably couldn't do this job, because they couldn't stop thinking about all the stuff they see at work. You'd see a parent slowly being killed by cancer and their children and partner crying often when they visit, or a patient who was severely injured in some tragic accident dying, and you have to tell that to their family, or a man who had a stroke which made him disabled. \nI hope you get my point, I think people who are high in empathy just couldn't work in a hospital or in the ambulance. They would most likely just get really depressed after a while, it would break them. You need to be able to not let this stuff get to you, and for that you have to be low in empathy, or the big 5 trait agreeableness. Surgents need to be especially low in empathy, because you just can't cut people open if you're a very empathic person. And even though medical professionals are probably low in empathy, there are still some things they experience that even affects them. Being a medical professional is a very emotionally demanding job.",
">\n\nA lot of any profession aren’t very nice people. It’s not a medical thing.",
">\n\nThis is sadly very true. My experience was also not great most of the time. I always find these physician in a hurry to see as many patients as they can. I am not against them making money but I'd expect them to give proper response regarding diet and we'll being. All I get is ... \"Eat everything except deep fried stuff\" .... Bitch please.",
">\n\nMmm...\"don't really care\" is a bit of a stretch. These people obviously cared enough at some point to go through all the school / debt to start taking care of people. \nI think a couple reasons for the \"aren't very nice\" aspect...\n-Our current medical model selects for people who are very good at sciences (biology, organic chemistry, physics, etc) who get high scores on tests. I think it would benefit us to start looking at people with a more liberal arts background / people with work experience. \n-Speaking from the physician side, it is very hard to be nice / appear really caring when you've been up 28 hours every couple of days for years at a time. It can take a lot out of you. \n-People who are naturally malignant/mean get a pass in the medical environment and some people who are naturally mean spirited thrive here. All you have to do is position what you're doing in the name of \"patient safety\" and you get away with it. (A nurse yelling at other nurses, nurses yelling at residents, attendings yelling at residents, residents yelling/belittling medical students). \n-Cultures of abuse self propagate. It happened to me and made me better, so now I'm going to do it to you.",
">\n\nThe biggest assholes are those in healthcare, for sure.",
">\n\nThe majority of them are only there for the money.\nPatient wellbeing or ethics? That kind of stuff only comes at their convenience/sudden whim",
">\n\nI deal with a lot of doctors through the social circles I run around in, and 90% of doctors I run into are arrogant assholes who believe they are better than everyone.",
">\n\nDoctors here in westcoast 🇨🇦 are downright prudes sitting on thrones \nNurses are saints, paramedics deserve all the gold\nSpecialists reluctant, sometimes lazy, but generally alright and vital\nCounsellors/Psyche workers either wonderful , aloof or complete narcicist c**** \nI just want to emphasize again: Nurses and Paramedical are living, breathing saints and do NOT get the pay, the resources, or the love they deserve.\nIf you're a Nurse or Paramedic reading this: It's because of people like you that I'm alive and here today, so thank you 💐"
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I am a med student and you are unfortunately right. We receive such horrible treatment from profs and other interns that we lose empathy I guess | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care.",
">\n\nMany are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.\nMedical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal.",
">\n\nI've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase \"nurses are heroes,\" I think about Homelander.",
">\n\nOBGYNs would be a prime example of this, obstetric violence is on the rise (some say 1/4 of women have experienced obstetric violence) and many OBGYNs only care about control, money and their schedule and not their patients and their children.",
">\n\nA doctor told me he wouldn’t look into me having adhd or autism because anxiety and depression were easier to treat. I had a doctor who was only concerned about my weight but didn’t give a shit about what was actually causing me to be overweight. She put me into a weight loss program instead of trying to figure out what was actually wrong. Also broke privilege, that said it wasn’t a medical thing but still shouldn’t have said it.\nOf three doctors I’ve had, the majority have been horrible.",
">\n\nI am not a doctor but I have been working directly with doctors, NPs and PAs for almost 25 years. I can tell you there are those that don't care but so many do. A lot of those that don't care are usually jaded because of the absolute shit they have to deal with. The patients that never follow what they are told to fix something and just call and complain that they're not healed, patients that think there's a magic pill to cure whatever is wrong with them. Then there are the people in charge of the facility's operations and how they require certain steps or time frames for things to be done when those people aren't doctors and have only ever been administrators. There's so much bullshit doctor's have to put up with. \nShit, we still, 3 years into COVID and people still want to come in to the clinic where I work without masks and yell at the people asking them to put a mask on. Patients STILL try to act like \"oh, I don't have COVID. It's just allergies\" and they think antibiotics will cure COVID, a cold and a flu. It's fucking ridiculous.",
">\n\nIt's funny that one argument I hear against socialized medicine is that no one would do it for a lower salary, but instead we have jerks who do it only for a high salary and don't care about patients.",
">\n\nI went to a college with a big nursing program, and man some of them were straight up evil. I mean just stuff that made me TERRIFIED they would be in a place where ethics was necessary. \nI had an acquaintance that was a nurse and man some of her posts during COVID made me want to report her. \nBut I do ascribe to the \"1/3 of the world is insane\" principle, and yeah you run into these people all over the place, but still it's kinda spooky because when you're in the hospital or something you are at their absolute MERCY and it makes me kind of nervous I'll get somebody awful if something happens to me.",
">\n\nWhy I stay as far away from health”care” as possible",
">\n\nso what? it's not a requirement",
">\n\nIf you are a care provider then it is required. It's in the name of the job.",
">\n\nOh yea let me just fuck up the entire operation because I don’t care about the patient",
">\n\nWhen you are constantly understaffed and patients assault you, yell at you, are demanding, rude, it takes it's toll. I'm not saying healthcare staff have a right to take it out on you but as someone who works in healthcare I can say just because someone isn't super friendly doesn't mean they are not taking care of you or not doing their best to make your stay nice. \nA lot of people think they know better than the doctor or nurse and get mad when the nurse or doctor doesn't immediately do what you want or say. When you have asked for the same thing 15 times but we can't give it to you for a medical reason we're not being mean, we're doing our job.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nThis has been my experience too. And I used to work in medical research and those people aren’t any better - probably worse I’d say. But doctors and nurses being straight up mean for no reason seems to just be getting worse. \nI won’t go to the doctor anymore unless I absolutely have to. And sometimes not even then. I broke my nose and got a concussion a couple weeks ago and you couldn’t have paid me enough to go to a doctor for that, I can fix that myself good enough to not bother with the experience of dealing with them.",
">\n\nDon’t agree!! Every profession has its share of unprofessionals!!",
">\n\nNurses aide here! I agree to an extent. After limping for three weeks due to being beat up by a patient who was not confused, I’m sorry I cannot just be sunshine and rainbows. But as I’ve heard alotnof people in the healthcare profession say, if you don’t like the care, take ‘em home! My favourite is : “ this is a hospital, not a a hotel!” And I actually love my job. There are good days and bad days and unfortunately, we see everyone on their worst days. Treat people how you want to be treated. I’ve said it a million times. One patient even made fun of how I write my name lol they are choosing to be trouble. It’s not all on the staff.",
">\n\nI could guess it's because they work in an environment dealing with people and dealing with people especially sick or in pain is draining but that's just my two cents",
">\n\nLast year. Covid restrictions were high. Masks. Social distance. All of that. My mom was in a head on collision. She was ok, but we didn’t know that. She was taken to the nearest hospital via ambulance and left in the hallway by a nurse’s station for 6 hours. She was uncomfortable and laying on a stretcher with a neck brace. No doctor or nurse came to talk to her. \nWe were in the waiting room. Begging for one of us to go back there to be with her. We would ask if she was alive, able to communicate, or the simplest of updates. They said they couldn’t tell us until a doctor saw her. Very coldly. My dad just stood there watching the doors. Didn’t sit down. I have never seen him so angry. \nFinally they got her a room. Then allowed 2 visitors at a time. On the way there I was expecting to see packed rooms and frantic, tired looking nurses who were overworked. Nope. So many empty rooms. 8 or so nurses standing around a station. No sense or urgency. No doctor ever did check her. So all of the that for nothing. I can honestly say I’ve never had a positive or warm experience in a hospital.",
">\n\nUsually, when you aren't a massive prick they are nice. So maybe that's on you",
">\n\nMost doctors are smart. Thats about it. Being smart =/= social skills",
">\n\nThe way I see it is that I'm paying for their smart brains not their people skills.",
">\n\n*a lot of the medical profession isn't",
">\n\nAll facts",
">\n\nWhat is ME?",
">\n\nDiagnostic Imaging Tech here. There's some truth to this but there's good reason for some of it as well.\nToday alone, I've been puked on, yelled at by a radiologist for following protocol, told off by a patient cause they didn't have their prep work done and a half dozen difficult exams on top of my normal workload. \nAnd this shit happens regularly. It gets to you after a while. We don't want to give off a bad impression to patients but we're only human.",
">\n\nYep, they’re human and they do it for the money. Not many of them actually have a heart for what they do. But the ones who do are absolute gems.",
">\n\nI'm sure this is just a personal experience, but I kind of feel like the bigger the asshole doctor the better they are as a doctor. Most of the best doctors I've ever had have been kind of assholes",
">\n\nHonestly, I've had the opposite experience. The worst doctors I've had (I have chronic conditions so I've seen many) have been the meanest. They talk down to people, don't listen to symptoms, and claim that things are all in patient's heads. The nicest ones that I've had are the ones that have been able to actually run tests, diagnose me, and help me with ways of managing or curing problems",
">\n\nI don't entirely disagree. All the good ones seem to burn out. The ones that stay harden, are expert at unit politics, and fly under management's radar.",
">\n\nYou have to consider that in order to work in the medical profession you probably need to have somewhat low empathy. People who are very empathic and caring probably couldn't do this job, because they couldn't stop thinking about all the stuff they see at work. You'd see a parent slowly being killed by cancer and their children and partner crying often when they visit, or a patient who was severely injured in some tragic accident dying, and you have to tell that to their family, or a man who had a stroke which made him disabled. \nI hope you get my point, I think people who are high in empathy just couldn't work in a hospital or in the ambulance. They would most likely just get really depressed after a while, it would break them. You need to be able to not let this stuff get to you, and for that you have to be low in empathy, or the big 5 trait agreeableness. Surgents need to be especially low in empathy, because you just can't cut people open if you're a very empathic person. And even though medical professionals are probably low in empathy, there are still some things they experience that even affects them. Being a medical professional is a very emotionally demanding job.",
">\n\nA lot of any profession aren’t very nice people. It’s not a medical thing.",
">\n\nThis is sadly very true. My experience was also not great most of the time. I always find these physician in a hurry to see as many patients as they can. I am not against them making money but I'd expect them to give proper response regarding diet and we'll being. All I get is ... \"Eat everything except deep fried stuff\" .... Bitch please.",
">\n\nMmm...\"don't really care\" is a bit of a stretch. These people obviously cared enough at some point to go through all the school / debt to start taking care of people. \nI think a couple reasons for the \"aren't very nice\" aspect...\n-Our current medical model selects for people who are very good at sciences (biology, organic chemistry, physics, etc) who get high scores on tests. I think it would benefit us to start looking at people with a more liberal arts background / people with work experience. \n-Speaking from the physician side, it is very hard to be nice / appear really caring when you've been up 28 hours every couple of days for years at a time. It can take a lot out of you. \n-People who are naturally malignant/mean get a pass in the medical environment and some people who are naturally mean spirited thrive here. All you have to do is position what you're doing in the name of \"patient safety\" and you get away with it. (A nurse yelling at other nurses, nurses yelling at residents, attendings yelling at residents, residents yelling/belittling medical students). \n-Cultures of abuse self propagate. It happened to me and made me better, so now I'm going to do it to you.",
">\n\nThe biggest assholes are those in healthcare, for sure.",
">\n\nThe majority of them are only there for the money.\nPatient wellbeing or ethics? That kind of stuff only comes at their convenience/sudden whim",
">\n\nI deal with a lot of doctors through the social circles I run around in, and 90% of doctors I run into are arrogant assholes who believe they are better than everyone.",
">\n\nDoctors here in westcoast 🇨🇦 are downright prudes sitting on thrones \nNurses are saints, paramedics deserve all the gold\nSpecialists reluctant, sometimes lazy, but generally alright and vital\nCounsellors/Psyche workers either wonderful , aloof or complete narcicist c**** \nI just want to emphasize again: Nurses and Paramedical are living, breathing saints and do NOT get the pay, the resources, or the love they deserve.\nIf you're a Nurse or Paramedic reading this: It's because of people like you that I'm alive and here today, so thank you 💐",
">\n\nSomeone I used to know who worked as a nurse told me they are paid to give care, not to care. Big difference."
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My vet told me when I couldn't afford 10 days of insulin at $200, and the $60 4lb diabetic food that I didn't love my cat and I should consider putting her to sleep. Needless to say I switched vets and did a low carb diet change her blood counts have been fine since.
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"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care.",
">\n\nMany are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.\nMedical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal.",
">\n\nI've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase \"nurses are heroes,\" I think about Homelander.",
">\n\nOBGYNs would be a prime example of this, obstetric violence is on the rise (some say 1/4 of women have experienced obstetric violence) and many OBGYNs only care about control, money and their schedule and not their patients and their children.",
">\n\nA doctor told me he wouldn’t look into me having adhd or autism because anxiety and depression were easier to treat. I had a doctor who was only concerned about my weight but didn’t give a shit about what was actually causing me to be overweight. She put me into a weight loss program instead of trying to figure out what was actually wrong. Also broke privilege, that said it wasn’t a medical thing but still shouldn’t have said it.\nOf three doctors I’ve had, the majority have been horrible.",
">\n\nI am not a doctor but I have been working directly with doctors, NPs and PAs for almost 25 years. I can tell you there are those that don't care but so many do. A lot of those that don't care are usually jaded because of the absolute shit they have to deal with. The patients that never follow what they are told to fix something and just call and complain that they're not healed, patients that think there's a magic pill to cure whatever is wrong with them. Then there are the people in charge of the facility's operations and how they require certain steps or time frames for things to be done when those people aren't doctors and have only ever been administrators. There's so much bullshit doctor's have to put up with. \nShit, we still, 3 years into COVID and people still want to come in to the clinic where I work without masks and yell at the people asking them to put a mask on. Patients STILL try to act like \"oh, I don't have COVID. It's just allergies\" and they think antibiotics will cure COVID, a cold and a flu. It's fucking ridiculous.",
">\n\nIt's funny that one argument I hear against socialized medicine is that no one would do it for a lower salary, but instead we have jerks who do it only for a high salary and don't care about patients.",
">\n\nI went to a college with a big nursing program, and man some of them were straight up evil. I mean just stuff that made me TERRIFIED they would be in a place where ethics was necessary. \nI had an acquaintance that was a nurse and man some of her posts during COVID made me want to report her. \nBut I do ascribe to the \"1/3 of the world is insane\" principle, and yeah you run into these people all over the place, but still it's kinda spooky because when you're in the hospital or something you are at their absolute MERCY and it makes me kind of nervous I'll get somebody awful if something happens to me.",
">\n\nWhy I stay as far away from health”care” as possible",
">\n\nso what? it's not a requirement",
">\n\nIf you are a care provider then it is required. It's in the name of the job.",
">\n\nOh yea let me just fuck up the entire operation because I don’t care about the patient",
">\n\nWhen you are constantly understaffed and patients assault you, yell at you, are demanding, rude, it takes it's toll. I'm not saying healthcare staff have a right to take it out on you but as someone who works in healthcare I can say just because someone isn't super friendly doesn't mean they are not taking care of you or not doing their best to make your stay nice. \nA lot of people think they know better than the doctor or nurse and get mad when the nurse or doctor doesn't immediately do what you want or say. When you have asked for the same thing 15 times but we can't give it to you for a medical reason we're not being mean, we're doing our job.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nThis has been my experience too. And I used to work in medical research and those people aren’t any better - probably worse I’d say. But doctors and nurses being straight up mean for no reason seems to just be getting worse. \nI won’t go to the doctor anymore unless I absolutely have to. And sometimes not even then. I broke my nose and got a concussion a couple weeks ago and you couldn’t have paid me enough to go to a doctor for that, I can fix that myself good enough to not bother with the experience of dealing with them.",
">\n\nDon’t agree!! Every profession has its share of unprofessionals!!",
">\n\nNurses aide here! I agree to an extent. After limping for three weeks due to being beat up by a patient who was not confused, I’m sorry I cannot just be sunshine and rainbows. But as I’ve heard alotnof people in the healthcare profession say, if you don’t like the care, take ‘em home! My favourite is : “ this is a hospital, not a a hotel!” And I actually love my job. There are good days and bad days and unfortunately, we see everyone on their worst days. Treat people how you want to be treated. I’ve said it a million times. One patient even made fun of how I write my name lol they are choosing to be trouble. It’s not all on the staff.",
">\n\nI could guess it's because they work in an environment dealing with people and dealing with people especially sick or in pain is draining but that's just my two cents",
">\n\nLast year. Covid restrictions were high. Masks. Social distance. All of that. My mom was in a head on collision. She was ok, but we didn’t know that. She was taken to the nearest hospital via ambulance and left in the hallway by a nurse’s station for 6 hours. She was uncomfortable and laying on a stretcher with a neck brace. No doctor or nurse came to talk to her. \nWe were in the waiting room. Begging for one of us to go back there to be with her. We would ask if she was alive, able to communicate, or the simplest of updates. They said they couldn’t tell us until a doctor saw her. Very coldly. My dad just stood there watching the doors. Didn’t sit down. I have never seen him so angry. \nFinally they got her a room. Then allowed 2 visitors at a time. On the way there I was expecting to see packed rooms and frantic, tired looking nurses who were overworked. Nope. So many empty rooms. 8 or so nurses standing around a station. No sense or urgency. No doctor ever did check her. So all of the that for nothing. I can honestly say I’ve never had a positive or warm experience in a hospital.",
">\n\nUsually, when you aren't a massive prick they are nice. So maybe that's on you",
">\n\nMost doctors are smart. Thats about it. Being smart =/= social skills",
">\n\nThe way I see it is that I'm paying for their smart brains not their people skills.",
">\n\n*a lot of the medical profession isn't",
">\n\nAll facts",
">\n\nWhat is ME?",
">\n\nDiagnostic Imaging Tech here. There's some truth to this but there's good reason for some of it as well.\nToday alone, I've been puked on, yelled at by a radiologist for following protocol, told off by a patient cause they didn't have their prep work done and a half dozen difficult exams on top of my normal workload. \nAnd this shit happens regularly. It gets to you after a while. We don't want to give off a bad impression to patients but we're only human.",
">\n\nYep, they’re human and they do it for the money. Not many of them actually have a heart for what they do. But the ones who do are absolute gems.",
">\n\nI'm sure this is just a personal experience, but I kind of feel like the bigger the asshole doctor the better they are as a doctor. Most of the best doctors I've ever had have been kind of assholes",
">\n\nHonestly, I've had the opposite experience. The worst doctors I've had (I have chronic conditions so I've seen many) have been the meanest. They talk down to people, don't listen to symptoms, and claim that things are all in patient's heads. The nicest ones that I've had are the ones that have been able to actually run tests, diagnose me, and help me with ways of managing or curing problems",
">\n\nI don't entirely disagree. All the good ones seem to burn out. The ones that stay harden, are expert at unit politics, and fly under management's radar.",
">\n\nYou have to consider that in order to work in the medical profession you probably need to have somewhat low empathy. People who are very empathic and caring probably couldn't do this job, because they couldn't stop thinking about all the stuff they see at work. You'd see a parent slowly being killed by cancer and their children and partner crying often when they visit, or a patient who was severely injured in some tragic accident dying, and you have to tell that to their family, or a man who had a stroke which made him disabled. \nI hope you get my point, I think people who are high in empathy just couldn't work in a hospital or in the ambulance. They would most likely just get really depressed after a while, it would break them. You need to be able to not let this stuff get to you, and for that you have to be low in empathy, or the big 5 trait agreeableness. Surgents need to be especially low in empathy, because you just can't cut people open if you're a very empathic person. And even though medical professionals are probably low in empathy, there are still some things they experience that even affects them. Being a medical professional is a very emotionally demanding job.",
">\n\nA lot of any profession aren’t very nice people. It’s not a medical thing.",
">\n\nThis is sadly very true. My experience was also not great most of the time. I always find these physician in a hurry to see as many patients as they can. I am not against them making money but I'd expect them to give proper response regarding diet and we'll being. All I get is ... \"Eat everything except deep fried stuff\" .... Bitch please.",
">\n\nMmm...\"don't really care\" is a bit of a stretch. These people obviously cared enough at some point to go through all the school / debt to start taking care of people. \nI think a couple reasons for the \"aren't very nice\" aspect...\n-Our current medical model selects for people who are very good at sciences (biology, organic chemistry, physics, etc) who get high scores on tests. I think it would benefit us to start looking at people with a more liberal arts background / people with work experience. \n-Speaking from the physician side, it is very hard to be nice / appear really caring when you've been up 28 hours every couple of days for years at a time. It can take a lot out of you. \n-People who are naturally malignant/mean get a pass in the medical environment and some people who are naturally mean spirited thrive here. All you have to do is position what you're doing in the name of \"patient safety\" and you get away with it. (A nurse yelling at other nurses, nurses yelling at residents, attendings yelling at residents, residents yelling/belittling medical students). \n-Cultures of abuse self propagate. It happened to me and made me better, so now I'm going to do it to you.",
">\n\nThe biggest assholes are those in healthcare, for sure.",
">\n\nThe majority of them are only there for the money.\nPatient wellbeing or ethics? That kind of stuff only comes at their convenience/sudden whim",
">\n\nI deal with a lot of doctors through the social circles I run around in, and 90% of doctors I run into are arrogant assholes who believe they are better than everyone.",
">\n\nDoctors here in westcoast 🇨🇦 are downright prudes sitting on thrones \nNurses are saints, paramedics deserve all the gold\nSpecialists reluctant, sometimes lazy, but generally alright and vital\nCounsellors/Psyche workers either wonderful , aloof or complete narcicist c**** \nI just want to emphasize again: Nurses and Paramedical are living, breathing saints and do NOT get the pay, the resources, or the love they deserve.\nIf you're a Nurse or Paramedic reading this: It's because of people like you that I'm alive and here today, so thank you 💐",
">\n\nSomeone I used to know who worked as a nurse told me they are paid to give care, not to care. Big difference.",
">\n\nI am a med student and you are unfortunately right. We receive such horrible treatment from profs and other interns that we lose empathy I guess"
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"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care.",
">\n\nMany are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.\nMedical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal.",
">\n\nI've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase \"nurses are heroes,\" I think about Homelander.",
">\n\nOBGYNs would be a prime example of this, obstetric violence is on the rise (some say 1/4 of women have experienced obstetric violence) and many OBGYNs only care about control, money and their schedule and not their patients and their children.",
">\n\nA doctor told me he wouldn’t look into me having adhd or autism because anxiety and depression were easier to treat. I had a doctor who was only concerned about my weight but didn’t give a shit about what was actually causing me to be overweight. She put me into a weight loss program instead of trying to figure out what was actually wrong. Also broke privilege, that said it wasn’t a medical thing but still shouldn’t have said it.\nOf three doctors I’ve had, the majority have been horrible.",
">\n\nI am not a doctor but I have been working directly with doctors, NPs and PAs for almost 25 years. I can tell you there are those that don't care but so many do. A lot of those that don't care are usually jaded because of the absolute shit they have to deal with. The patients that never follow what they are told to fix something and just call and complain that they're not healed, patients that think there's a magic pill to cure whatever is wrong with them. Then there are the people in charge of the facility's operations and how they require certain steps or time frames for things to be done when those people aren't doctors and have only ever been administrators. There's so much bullshit doctor's have to put up with. \nShit, we still, 3 years into COVID and people still want to come in to the clinic where I work without masks and yell at the people asking them to put a mask on. Patients STILL try to act like \"oh, I don't have COVID. It's just allergies\" and they think antibiotics will cure COVID, a cold and a flu. It's fucking ridiculous.",
">\n\nIt's funny that one argument I hear against socialized medicine is that no one would do it for a lower salary, but instead we have jerks who do it only for a high salary and don't care about patients.",
">\n\nI went to a college with a big nursing program, and man some of them were straight up evil. I mean just stuff that made me TERRIFIED they would be in a place where ethics was necessary. \nI had an acquaintance that was a nurse and man some of her posts during COVID made me want to report her. \nBut I do ascribe to the \"1/3 of the world is insane\" principle, and yeah you run into these people all over the place, but still it's kinda spooky because when you're in the hospital or something you are at their absolute MERCY and it makes me kind of nervous I'll get somebody awful if something happens to me.",
">\n\nWhy I stay as far away from health”care” as possible",
">\n\nso what? it's not a requirement",
">\n\nIf you are a care provider then it is required. It's in the name of the job.",
">\n\nOh yea let me just fuck up the entire operation because I don’t care about the patient",
">\n\nWhen you are constantly understaffed and patients assault you, yell at you, are demanding, rude, it takes it's toll. I'm not saying healthcare staff have a right to take it out on you but as someone who works in healthcare I can say just because someone isn't super friendly doesn't mean they are not taking care of you or not doing their best to make your stay nice. \nA lot of people think they know better than the doctor or nurse and get mad when the nurse or doctor doesn't immediately do what you want or say. When you have asked for the same thing 15 times but we can't give it to you for a medical reason we're not being mean, we're doing our job.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nThis has been my experience too. And I used to work in medical research and those people aren’t any better - probably worse I’d say. But doctors and nurses being straight up mean for no reason seems to just be getting worse. \nI won’t go to the doctor anymore unless I absolutely have to. And sometimes not even then. I broke my nose and got a concussion a couple weeks ago and you couldn’t have paid me enough to go to a doctor for that, I can fix that myself good enough to not bother with the experience of dealing with them.",
">\n\nDon’t agree!! Every profession has its share of unprofessionals!!",
">\n\nNurses aide here! I agree to an extent. After limping for three weeks due to being beat up by a patient who was not confused, I’m sorry I cannot just be sunshine and rainbows. But as I’ve heard alotnof people in the healthcare profession say, if you don’t like the care, take ‘em home! My favourite is : “ this is a hospital, not a a hotel!” And I actually love my job. There are good days and bad days and unfortunately, we see everyone on their worst days. Treat people how you want to be treated. I’ve said it a million times. One patient even made fun of how I write my name lol they are choosing to be trouble. It’s not all on the staff.",
">\n\nI could guess it's because they work in an environment dealing with people and dealing with people especially sick or in pain is draining but that's just my two cents",
">\n\nLast year. Covid restrictions were high. Masks. Social distance. All of that. My mom was in a head on collision. She was ok, but we didn’t know that. She was taken to the nearest hospital via ambulance and left in the hallway by a nurse’s station for 6 hours. She was uncomfortable and laying on a stretcher with a neck brace. No doctor or nurse came to talk to her. \nWe were in the waiting room. Begging for one of us to go back there to be with her. We would ask if she was alive, able to communicate, or the simplest of updates. They said they couldn’t tell us until a doctor saw her. Very coldly. My dad just stood there watching the doors. Didn’t sit down. I have never seen him so angry. \nFinally they got her a room. Then allowed 2 visitors at a time. On the way there I was expecting to see packed rooms and frantic, tired looking nurses who were overworked. Nope. So many empty rooms. 8 or so nurses standing around a station. No sense or urgency. No doctor ever did check her. So all of the that for nothing. I can honestly say I’ve never had a positive or warm experience in a hospital.",
">\n\nUsually, when you aren't a massive prick they are nice. So maybe that's on you",
">\n\nMost doctors are smart. Thats about it. Being smart =/= social skills",
">\n\nThe way I see it is that I'm paying for their smart brains not their people skills.",
">\n\n*a lot of the medical profession isn't",
">\n\nAll facts",
">\n\nWhat is ME?",
">\n\nDiagnostic Imaging Tech here. There's some truth to this but there's good reason for some of it as well.\nToday alone, I've been puked on, yelled at by a radiologist for following protocol, told off by a patient cause they didn't have their prep work done and a half dozen difficult exams on top of my normal workload. \nAnd this shit happens regularly. It gets to you after a while. We don't want to give off a bad impression to patients but we're only human.",
">\n\nYep, they’re human and they do it for the money. Not many of them actually have a heart for what they do. But the ones who do are absolute gems.",
">\n\nI'm sure this is just a personal experience, but I kind of feel like the bigger the asshole doctor the better they are as a doctor. Most of the best doctors I've ever had have been kind of assholes",
">\n\nHonestly, I've had the opposite experience. The worst doctors I've had (I have chronic conditions so I've seen many) have been the meanest. They talk down to people, don't listen to symptoms, and claim that things are all in patient's heads. The nicest ones that I've had are the ones that have been able to actually run tests, diagnose me, and help me with ways of managing or curing problems",
">\n\nI don't entirely disagree. All the good ones seem to burn out. The ones that stay harden, are expert at unit politics, and fly under management's radar.",
">\n\nYou have to consider that in order to work in the medical profession you probably need to have somewhat low empathy. People who are very empathic and caring probably couldn't do this job, because they couldn't stop thinking about all the stuff they see at work. You'd see a parent slowly being killed by cancer and their children and partner crying often when they visit, or a patient who was severely injured in some tragic accident dying, and you have to tell that to their family, or a man who had a stroke which made him disabled. \nI hope you get my point, I think people who are high in empathy just couldn't work in a hospital or in the ambulance. They would most likely just get really depressed after a while, it would break them. You need to be able to not let this stuff get to you, and for that you have to be low in empathy, or the big 5 trait agreeableness. Surgents need to be especially low in empathy, because you just can't cut people open if you're a very empathic person. And even though medical professionals are probably low in empathy, there are still some things they experience that even affects them. Being a medical professional is a very emotionally demanding job.",
">\n\nA lot of any profession aren’t very nice people. It’s not a medical thing.",
">\n\nThis is sadly very true. My experience was also not great most of the time. I always find these physician in a hurry to see as many patients as they can. I am not against them making money but I'd expect them to give proper response regarding diet and we'll being. All I get is ... \"Eat everything except deep fried stuff\" .... Bitch please.",
">\n\nMmm...\"don't really care\" is a bit of a stretch. These people obviously cared enough at some point to go through all the school / debt to start taking care of people. \nI think a couple reasons for the \"aren't very nice\" aspect...\n-Our current medical model selects for people who are very good at sciences (biology, organic chemistry, physics, etc) who get high scores on tests. I think it would benefit us to start looking at people with a more liberal arts background / people with work experience. \n-Speaking from the physician side, it is very hard to be nice / appear really caring when you've been up 28 hours every couple of days for years at a time. It can take a lot out of you. \n-People who are naturally malignant/mean get a pass in the medical environment and some people who are naturally mean spirited thrive here. All you have to do is position what you're doing in the name of \"patient safety\" and you get away with it. (A nurse yelling at other nurses, nurses yelling at residents, attendings yelling at residents, residents yelling/belittling medical students). \n-Cultures of abuse self propagate. It happened to me and made me better, so now I'm going to do it to you.",
">\n\nThe biggest assholes are those in healthcare, for sure.",
">\n\nThe majority of them are only there for the money.\nPatient wellbeing or ethics? That kind of stuff only comes at their convenience/sudden whim",
">\n\nI deal with a lot of doctors through the social circles I run around in, and 90% of doctors I run into are arrogant assholes who believe they are better than everyone.",
">\n\nDoctors here in westcoast 🇨🇦 are downright prudes sitting on thrones \nNurses are saints, paramedics deserve all the gold\nSpecialists reluctant, sometimes lazy, but generally alright and vital\nCounsellors/Psyche workers either wonderful , aloof or complete narcicist c**** \nI just want to emphasize again: Nurses and Paramedical are living, breathing saints and do NOT get the pay, the resources, or the love they deserve.\nIf you're a Nurse or Paramedic reading this: It's because of people like you that I'm alive and here today, so thank you 💐",
">\n\nSomeone I used to know who worked as a nurse told me they are paid to give care, not to care. Big difference.",
">\n\nI am a med student and you are unfortunately right. We receive such horrible treatment from profs and other interns that we lose empathy I guess",
">\n\nMy vet told me when I couldn't afford 10 days of insulin at $200, and the $60 4lb diabetic food that I didn't love my cat and I should consider putting her to sleep. Needless to say I switched vets and did a low carb diet change her blood counts have been fine since.\nI haven't exactly had horrible experiences at a Dr's."
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"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care.",
">\n\nMany are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.\nMedical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal.",
">\n\nI've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase \"nurses are heroes,\" I think about Homelander.",
">\n\nOBGYNs would be a prime example of this, obstetric violence is on the rise (some say 1/4 of women have experienced obstetric violence) and many OBGYNs only care about control, money and their schedule and not their patients and their children.",
">\n\nA doctor told me he wouldn’t look into me having adhd or autism because anxiety and depression were easier to treat. I had a doctor who was only concerned about my weight but didn’t give a shit about what was actually causing me to be overweight. She put me into a weight loss program instead of trying to figure out what was actually wrong. Also broke privilege, that said it wasn’t a medical thing but still shouldn’t have said it.\nOf three doctors I’ve had, the majority have been horrible.",
">\n\nI am not a doctor but I have been working directly with doctors, NPs and PAs for almost 25 years. I can tell you there are those that don't care but so many do. A lot of those that don't care are usually jaded because of the absolute shit they have to deal with. The patients that never follow what they are told to fix something and just call and complain that they're not healed, patients that think there's a magic pill to cure whatever is wrong with them. Then there are the people in charge of the facility's operations and how they require certain steps or time frames for things to be done when those people aren't doctors and have only ever been administrators. There's so much bullshit doctor's have to put up with. \nShit, we still, 3 years into COVID and people still want to come in to the clinic where I work without masks and yell at the people asking them to put a mask on. Patients STILL try to act like \"oh, I don't have COVID. It's just allergies\" and they think antibiotics will cure COVID, a cold and a flu. It's fucking ridiculous.",
">\n\nIt's funny that one argument I hear against socialized medicine is that no one would do it for a lower salary, but instead we have jerks who do it only for a high salary and don't care about patients.",
">\n\nI went to a college with a big nursing program, and man some of them were straight up evil. I mean just stuff that made me TERRIFIED they would be in a place where ethics was necessary. \nI had an acquaintance that was a nurse and man some of her posts during COVID made me want to report her. \nBut I do ascribe to the \"1/3 of the world is insane\" principle, and yeah you run into these people all over the place, but still it's kinda spooky because when you're in the hospital or something you are at their absolute MERCY and it makes me kind of nervous I'll get somebody awful if something happens to me.",
">\n\nWhy I stay as far away from health”care” as possible",
">\n\nso what? it's not a requirement",
">\n\nIf you are a care provider then it is required. It's in the name of the job.",
">\n\nOh yea let me just fuck up the entire operation because I don’t care about the patient",
">\n\nWhen you are constantly understaffed and patients assault you, yell at you, are demanding, rude, it takes it's toll. I'm not saying healthcare staff have a right to take it out on you but as someone who works in healthcare I can say just because someone isn't super friendly doesn't mean they are not taking care of you or not doing their best to make your stay nice. \nA lot of people think they know better than the doctor or nurse and get mad when the nurse or doctor doesn't immediately do what you want or say. When you have asked for the same thing 15 times but we can't give it to you for a medical reason we're not being mean, we're doing our job.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nThis has been my experience too. And I used to work in medical research and those people aren’t any better - probably worse I’d say. But doctors and nurses being straight up mean for no reason seems to just be getting worse. \nI won’t go to the doctor anymore unless I absolutely have to. And sometimes not even then. I broke my nose and got a concussion a couple weeks ago and you couldn’t have paid me enough to go to a doctor for that, I can fix that myself good enough to not bother with the experience of dealing with them.",
">\n\nDon’t agree!! Every profession has its share of unprofessionals!!",
">\n\nNurses aide here! I agree to an extent. After limping for three weeks due to being beat up by a patient who was not confused, I’m sorry I cannot just be sunshine and rainbows. But as I’ve heard alotnof people in the healthcare profession say, if you don’t like the care, take ‘em home! My favourite is : “ this is a hospital, not a a hotel!” And I actually love my job. There are good days and bad days and unfortunately, we see everyone on their worst days. Treat people how you want to be treated. I’ve said it a million times. One patient even made fun of how I write my name lol they are choosing to be trouble. It’s not all on the staff.",
">\n\nI could guess it's because they work in an environment dealing with people and dealing with people especially sick or in pain is draining but that's just my two cents",
">\n\nLast year. Covid restrictions were high. Masks. Social distance. All of that. My mom was in a head on collision. She was ok, but we didn’t know that. She was taken to the nearest hospital via ambulance and left in the hallway by a nurse’s station for 6 hours. She was uncomfortable and laying on a stretcher with a neck brace. No doctor or nurse came to talk to her. \nWe were in the waiting room. Begging for one of us to go back there to be with her. We would ask if she was alive, able to communicate, or the simplest of updates. They said they couldn’t tell us until a doctor saw her. Very coldly. My dad just stood there watching the doors. Didn’t sit down. I have never seen him so angry. \nFinally they got her a room. Then allowed 2 visitors at a time. On the way there I was expecting to see packed rooms and frantic, tired looking nurses who were overworked. Nope. So many empty rooms. 8 or so nurses standing around a station. No sense or urgency. No doctor ever did check her. So all of the that for nothing. I can honestly say I’ve never had a positive or warm experience in a hospital.",
">\n\nUsually, when you aren't a massive prick they are nice. So maybe that's on you",
">\n\nMost doctors are smart. Thats about it. Being smart =/= social skills",
">\n\nThe way I see it is that I'm paying for their smart brains not their people skills.",
">\n\n*a lot of the medical profession isn't",
">\n\nAll facts",
">\n\nWhat is ME?",
">\n\nDiagnostic Imaging Tech here. There's some truth to this but there's good reason for some of it as well.\nToday alone, I've been puked on, yelled at by a radiologist for following protocol, told off by a patient cause they didn't have their prep work done and a half dozen difficult exams on top of my normal workload. \nAnd this shit happens regularly. It gets to you after a while. We don't want to give off a bad impression to patients but we're only human.",
">\n\nYep, they’re human and they do it for the money. Not many of them actually have a heart for what they do. But the ones who do are absolute gems.",
">\n\nI'm sure this is just a personal experience, but I kind of feel like the bigger the asshole doctor the better they are as a doctor. Most of the best doctors I've ever had have been kind of assholes",
">\n\nHonestly, I've had the opposite experience. The worst doctors I've had (I have chronic conditions so I've seen many) have been the meanest. They talk down to people, don't listen to symptoms, and claim that things are all in patient's heads. The nicest ones that I've had are the ones that have been able to actually run tests, diagnose me, and help me with ways of managing or curing problems",
">\n\nI don't entirely disagree. All the good ones seem to burn out. The ones that stay harden, are expert at unit politics, and fly under management's radar.",
">\n\nYou have to consider that in order to work in the medical profession you probably need to have somewhat low empathy. People who are very empathic and caring probably couldn't do this job, because they couldn't stop thinking about all the stuff they see at work. You'd see a parent slowly being killed by cancer and their children and partner crying often when they visit, or a patient who was severely injured in some tragic accident dying, and you have to tell that to their family, or a man who had a stroke which made him disabled. \nI hope you get my point, I think people who are high in empathy just couldn't work in a hospital or in the ambulance. They would most likely just get really depressed after a while, it would break them. You need to be able to not let this stuff get to you, and for that you have to be low in empathy, or the big 5 trait agreeableness. Surgents need to be especially low in empathy, because you just can't cut people open if you're a very empathic person. And even though medical professionals are probably low in empathy, there are still some things they experience that even affects them. Being a medical professional is a very emotionally demanding job.",
">\n\nA lot of any profession aren’t very nice people. It’s not a medical thing.",
">\n\nThis is sadly very true. My experience was also not great most of the time. I always find these physician in a hurry to see as many patients as they can. I am not against them making money but I'd expect them to give proper response regarding diet and we'll being. All I get is ... \"Eat everything except deep fried stuff\" .... Bitch please.",
">\n\nMmm...\"don't really care\" is a bit of a stretch. These people obviously cared enough at some point to go through all the school / debt to start taking care of people. \nI think a couple reasons for the \"aren't very nice\" aspect...\n-Our current medical model selects for people who are very good at sciences (biology, organic chemistry, physics, etc) who get high scores on tests. I think it would benefit us to start looking at people with a more liberal arts background / people with work experience. \n-Speaking from the physician side, it is very hard to be nice / appear really caring when you've been up 28 hours every couple of days for years at a time. It can take a lot out of you. \n-People who are naturally malignant/mean get a pass in the medical environment and some people who are naturally mean spirited thrive here. All you have to do is position what you're doing in the name of \"patient safety\" and you get away with it. (A nurse yelling at other nurses, nurses yelling at residents, attendings yelling at residents, residents yelling/belittling medical students). \n-Cultures of abuse self propagate. It happened to me and made me better, so now I'm going to do it to you.",
">\n\nThe biggest assholes are those in healthcare, for sure.",
">\n\nThe majority of them are only there for the money.\nPatient wellbeing or ethics? That kind of stuff only comes at their convenience/sudden whim",
">\n\nI deal with a lot of doctors through the social circles I run around in, and 90% of doctors I run into are arrogant assholes who believe they are better than everyone.",
">\n\nDoctors here in westcoast 🇨🇦 are downright prudes sitting on thrones \nNurses are saints, paramedics deserve all the gold\nSpecialists reluctant, sometimes lazy, but generally alright and vital\nCounsellors/Psyche workers either wonderful , aloof or complete narcicist c**** \nI just want to emphasize again: Nurses and Paramedical are living, breathing saints and do NOT get the pay, the resources, or the love they deserve.\nIf you're a Nurse or Paramedic reading this: It's because of people like you that I'm alive and here today, so thank you 💐",
">\n\nSomeone I used to know who worked as a nurse told me they are paid to give care, not to care. Big difference.",
">\n\nI am a med student and you are unfortunately right. We receive such horrible treatment from profs and other interns that we lose empathy I guess",
">\n\nMy vet told me when I couldn't afford 10 days of insulin at $200, and the $60 4lb diabetic food that I didn't love my cat and I should consider putting her to sleep. Needless to say I switched vets and did a low carb diet change her blood counts have been fine since.\nI haven't exactly had horrible experiences at a Dr's.",
">\n\nI swear to god ive seen this exact same post somewhere, like word for word"
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"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care.",
">\n\nMany are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.\nMedical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal.",
">\n\nI've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase \"nurses are heroes,\" I think about Homelander.",
">\n\nOBGYNs would be a prime example of this, obstetric violence is on the rise (some say 1/4 of women have experienced obstetric violence) and many OBGYNs only care about control, money and their schedule and not their patients and their children.",
">\n\nA doctor told me he wouldn’t look into me having adhd or autism because anxiety and depression were easier to treat. I had a doctor who was only concerned about my weight but didn’t give a shit about what was actually causing me to be overweight. She put me into a weight loss program instead of trying to figure out what was actually wrong. Also broke privilege, that said it wasn’t a medical thing but still shouldn’t have said it.\nOf three doctors I’ve had, the majority have been horrible.",
">\n\nI am not a doctor but I have been working directly with doctors, NPs and PAs for almost 25 years. I can tell you there are those that don't care but so many do. A lot of those that don't care are usually jaded because of the absolute shit they have to deal with. The patients that never follow what they are told to fix something and just call and complain that they're not healed, patients that think there's a magic pill to cure whatever is wrong with them. Then there are the people in charge of the facility's operations and how they require certain steps or time frames for things to be done when those people aren't doctors and have only ever been administrators. There's so much bullshit doctor's have to put up with. \nShit, we still, 3 years into COVID and people still want to come in to the clinic where I work without masks and yell at the people asking them to put a mask on. Patients STILL try to act like \"oh, I don't have COVID. It's just allergies\" and they think antibiotics will cure COVID, a cold and a flu. It's fucking ridiculous.",
">\n\nIt's funny that one argument I hear against socialized medicine is that no one would do it for a lower salary, but instead we have jerks who do it only for a high salary and don't care about patients.",
">\n\nI went to a college with a big nursing program, and man some of them were straight up evil. I mean just stuff that made me TERRIFIED they would be in a place where ethics was necessary. \nI had an acquaintance that was a nurse and man some of her posts during COVID made me want to report her. \nBut I do ascribe to the \"1/3 of the world is insane\" principle, and yeah you run into these people all over the place, but still it's kinda spooky because when you're in the hospital or something you are at their absolute MERCY and it makes me kind of nervous I'll get somebody awful if something happens to me.",
">\n\nWhy I stay as far away from health”care” as possible",
">\n\nso what? it's not a requirement",
">\n\nIf you are a care provider then it is required. It's in the name of the job.",
">\n\nOh yea let me just fuck up the entire operation because I don’t care about the patient",
">\n\nWhen you are constantly understaffed and patients assault you, yell at you, are demanding, rude, it takes it's toll. I'm not saying healthcare staff have a right to take it out on you but as someone who works in healthcare I can say just because someone isn't super friendly doesn't mean they are not taking care of you or not doing their best to make your stay nice. \nA lot of people think they know better than the doctor or nurse and get mad when the nurse or doctor doesn't immediately do what you want or say. When you have asked for the same thing 15 times but we can't give it to you for a medical reason we're not being mean, we're doing our job.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nThis has been my experience too. And I used to work in medical research and those people aren’t any better - probably worse I’d say. But doctors and nurses being straight up mean for no reason seems to just be getting worse. \nI won’t go to the doctor anymore unless I absolutely have to. And sometimes not even then. I broke my nose and got a concussion a couple weeks ago and you couldn’t have paid me enough to go to a doctor for that, I can fix that myself good enough to not bother with the experience of dealing with them.",
">\n\nDon’t agree!! Every profession has its share of unprofessionals!!",
">\n\nNurses aide here! I agree to an extent. After limping for three weeks due to being beat up by a patient who was not confused, I’m sorry I cannot just be sunshine and rainbows. But as I’ve heard alotnof people in the healthcare profession say, if you don’t like the care, take ‘em home! My favourite is : “ this is a hospital, not a a hotel!” And I actually love my job. There are good days and bad days and unfortunately, we see everyone on their worst days. Treat people how you want to be treated. I’ve said it a million times. One patient even made fun of how I write my name lol they are choosing to be trouble. It’s not all on the staff.",
">\n\nI could guess it's because they work in an environment dealing with people and dealing with people especially sick or in pain is draining but that's just my two cents",
">\n\nLast year. Covid restrictions were high. Masks. Social distance. All of that. My mom was in a head on collision. She was ok, but we didn’t know that. She was taken to the nearest hospital via ambulance and left in the hallway by a nurse’s station for 6 hours. She was uncomfortable and laying on a stretcher with a neck brace. No doctor or nurse came to talk to her. \nWe were in the waiting room. Begging for one of us to go back there to be with her. We would ask if she was alive, able to communicate, or the simplest of updates. They said they couldn’t tell us until a doctor saw her. Very coldly. My dad just stood there watching the doors. Didn’t sit down. I have never seen him so angry. \nFinally they got her a room. Then allowed 2 visitors at a time. On the way there I was expecting to see packed rooms and frantic, tired looking nurses who were overworked. Nope. So many empty rooms. 8 or so nurses standing around a station. No sense or urgency. No doctor ever did check her. So all of the that for nothing. I can honestly say I’ve never had a positive or warm experience in a hospital.",
">\n\nUsually, when you aren't a massive prick they are nice. So maybe that's on you",
">\n\nMost doctors are smart. Thats about it. Being smart =/= social skills",
">\n\nThe way I see it is that I'm paying for their smart brains not their people skills.",
">\n\n*a lot of the medical profession isn't",
">\n\nAll facts",
">\n\nWhat is ME?",
">\n\nDiagnostic Imaging Tech here. There's some truth to this but there's good reason for some of it as well.\nToday alone, I've been puked on, yelled at by a radiologist for following protocol, told off by a patient cause they didn't have their prep work done and a half dozen difficult exams on top of my normal workload. \nAnd this shit happens regularly. It gets to you after a while. We don't want to give off a bad impression to patients but we're only human.",
">\n\nYep, they’re human and they do it for the money. Not many of them actually have a heart for what they do. But the ones who do are absolute gems.",
">\n\nI'm sure this is just a personal experience, but I kind of feel like the bigger the asshole doctor the better they are as a doctor. Most of the best doctors I've ever had have been kind of assholes",
">\n\nHonestly, I've had the opposite experience. The worst doctors I've had (I have chronic conditions so I've seen many) have been the meanest. They talk down to people, don't listen to symptoms, and claim that things are all in patient's heads. The nicest ones that I've had are the ones that have been able to actually run tests, diagnose me, and help me with ways of managing or curing problems",
">\n\nI don't entirely disagree. All the good ones seem to burn out. The ones that stay harden, are expert at unit politics, and fly under management's radar.",
">\n\nYou have to consider that in order to work in the medical profession you probably need to have somewhat low empathy. People who are very empathic and caring probably couldn't do this job, because they couldn't stop thinking about all the stuff they see at work. You'd see a parent slowly being killed by cancer and their children and partner crying often when they visit, or a patient who was severely injured in some tragic accident dying, and you have to tell that to their family, or a man who had a stroke which made him disabled. \nI hope you get my point, I think people who are high in empathy just couldn't work in a hospital or in the ambulance. They would most likely just get really depressed after a while, it would break them. You need to be able to not let this stuff get to you, and for that you have to be low in empathy, or the big 5 trait agreeableness. Surgents need to be especially low in empathy, because you just can't cut people open if you're a very empathic person. And even though medical professionals are probably low in empathy, there are still some things they experience that even affects them. Being a medical professional is a very emotionally demanding job.",
">\n\nA lot of any profession aren’t very nice people. It’s not a medical thing.",
">\n\nThis is sadly very true. My experience was also not great most of the time. I always find these physician in a hurry to see as many patients as they can. I am not against them making money but I'd expect them to give proper response regarding diet and we'll being. All I get is ... \"Eat everything except deep fried stuff\" .... Bitch please.",
">\n\nMmm...\"don't really care\" is a bit of a stretch. These people obviously cared enough at some point to go through all the school / debt to start taking care of people. \nI think a couple reasons for the \"aren't very nice\" aspect...\n-Our current medical model selects for people who are very good at sciences (biology, organic chemistry, physics, etc) who get high scores on tests. I think it would benefit us to start looking at people with a more liberal arts background / people with work experience. \n-Speaking from the physician side, it is very hard to be nice / appear really caring when you've been up 28 hours every couple of days for years at a time. It can take a lot out of you. \n-People who are naturally malignant/mean get a pass in the medical environment and some people who are naturally mean spirited thrive here. All you have to do is position what you're doing in the name of \"patient safety\" and you get away with it. (A nurse yelling at other nurses, nurses yelling at residents, attendings yelling at residents, residents yelling/belittling medical students). \n-Cultures of abuse self propagate. It happened to me and made me better, so now I'm going to do it to you.",
">\n\nThe biggest assholes are those in healthcare, for sure.",
">\n\nThe majority of them are only there for the money.\nPatient wellbeing or ethics? That kind of stuff only comes at their convenience/sudden whim",
">\n\nI deal with a lot of doctors through the social circles I run around in, and 90% of doctors I run into are arrogant assholes who believe they are better than everyone.",
">\n\nDoctors here in westcoast 🇨🇦 are downright prudes sitting on thrones \nNurses are saints, paramedics deserve all the gold\nSpecialists reluctant, sometimes lazy, but generally alright and vital\nCounsellors/Psyche workers either wonderful , aloof or complete narcicist c**** \nI just want to emphasize again: Nurses and Paramedical are living, breathing saints and do NOT get the pay, the resources, or the love they deserve.\nIf you're a Nurse or Paramedic reading this: It's because of people like you that I'm alive and here today, so thank you 💐",
">\n\nSomeone I used to know who worked as a nurse told me they are paid to give care, not to care. Big difference.",
">\n\nI am a med student and you are unfortunately right. We receive such horrible treatment from profs and other interns that we lose empathy I guess",
">\n\nMy vet told me when I couldn't afford 10 days of insulin at $200, and the $60 4lb diabetic food that I didn't love my cat and I should consider putting her to sleep. Needless to say I switched vets and did a low carb diet change her blood counts have been fine since.\nI haven't exactly had horrible experiences at a Dr's.",
">\n\nI swear to god ive seen this exact same post somewhere, like word for word",
">\n\nI literally wrote it out myself word for word ?"
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My experience doesn't support this, but believe someone else could end up encountering rude, uncaring medical professionals a lot. Not justifying or excusing bad behavior,but some are probably experiencing burnout. | [
"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care.",
">\n\nMany are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.\nMedical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal.",
">\n\nI've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase \"nurses are heroes,\" I think about Homelander.",
">\n\nOBGYNs would be a prime example of this, obstetric violence is on the rise (some say 1/4 of women have experienced obstetric violence) and many OBGYNs only care about control, money and their schedule and not their patients and their children.",
">\n\nA doctor told me he wouldn’t look into me having adhd or autism because anxiety and depression were easier to treat. I had a doctor who was only concerned about my weight but didn’t give a shit about what was actually causing me to be overweight. She put me into a weight loss program instead of trying to figure out what was actually wrong. Also broke privilege, that said it wasn’t a medical thing but still shouldn’t have said it.\nOf three doctors I’ve had, the majority have been horrible.",
">\n\nI am not a doctor but I have been working directly with doctors, NPs and PAs for almost 25 years. I can tell you there are those that don't care but so many do. A lot of those that don't care are usually jaded because of the absolute shit they have to deal with. The patients that never follow what they are told to fix something and just call and complain that they're not healed, patients that think there's a magic pill to cure whatever is wrong with them. Then there are the people in charge of the facility's operations and how they require certain steps or time frames for things to be done when those people aren't doctors and have only ever been administrators. There's so much bullshit doctor's have to put up with. \nShit, we still, 3 years into COVID and people still want to come in to the clinic where I work without masks and yell at the people asking them to put a mask on. Patients STILL try to act like \"oh, I don't have COVID. It's just allergies\" and they think antibiotics will cure COVID, a cold and a flu. It's fucking ridiculous.",
">\n\nIt's funny that one argument I hear against socialized medicine is that no one would do it for a lower salary, but instead we have jerks who do it only for a high salary and don't care about patients.",
">\n\nI went to a college with a big nursing program, and man some of them were straight up evil. I mean just stuff that made me TERRIFIED they would be in a place where ethics was necessary. \nI had an acquaintance that was a nurse and man some of her posts during COVID made me want to report her. \nBut I do ascribe to the \"1/3 of the world is insane\" principle, and yeah you run into these people all over the place, but still it's kinda spooky because when you're in the hospital or something you are at their absolute MERCY and it makes me kind of nervous I'll get somebody awful if something happens to me.",
">\n\nWhy I stay as far away from health”care” as possible",
">\n\nso what? it's not a requirement",
">\n\nIf you are a care provider then it is required. It's in the name of the job.",
">\n\nOh yea let me just fuck up the entire operation because I don’t care about the patient",
">\n\nWhen you are constantly understaffed and patients assault you, yell at you, are demanding, rude, it takes it's toll. I'm not saying healthcare staff have a right to take it out on you but as someone who works in healthcare I can say just because someone isn't super friendly doesn't mean they are not taking care of you or not doing their best to make your stay nice. \nA lot of people think they know better than the doctor or nurse and get mad when the nurse or doctor doesn't immediately do what you want or say. When you have asked for the same thing 15 times but we can't give it to you for a medical reason we're not being mean, we're doing our job.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nThis has been my experience too. And I used to work in medical research and those people aren’t any better - probably worse I’d say. But doctors and nurses being straight up mean for no reason seems to just be getting worse. \nI won’t go to the doctor anymore unless I absolutely have to. And sometimes not even then. I broke my nose and got a concussion a couple weeks ago and you couldn’t have paid me enough to go to a doctor for that, I can fix that myself good enough to not bother with the experience of dealing with them.",
">\n\nDon’t agree!! Every profession has its share of unprofessionals!!",
">\n\nNurses aide here! I agree to an extent. After limping for three weeks due to being beat up by a patient who was not confused, I’m sorry I cannot just be sunshine and rainbows. But as I’ve heard alotnof people in the healthcare profession say, if you don’t like the care, take ‘em home! My favourite is : “ this is a hospital, not a a hotel!” And I actually love my job. There are good days and bad days and unfortunately, we see everyone on their worst days. Treat people how you want to be treated. I’ve said it a million times. One patient even made fun of how I write my name lol they are choosing to be trouble. It’s not all on the staff.",
">\n\nI could guess it's because they work in an environment dealing with people and dealing with people especially sick or in pain is draining but that's just my two cents",
">\n\nLast year. Covid restrictions were high. Masks. Social distance. All of that. My mom was in a head on collision. She was ok, but we didn’t know that. She was taken to the nearest hospital via ambulance and left in the hallway by a nurse’s station for 6 hours. She was uncomfortable and laying on a stretcher with a neck brace. No doctor or nurse came to talk to her. \nWe were in the waiting room. Begging for one of us to go back there to be with her. We would ask if she was alive, able to communicate, or the simplest of updates. They said they couldn’t tell us until a doctor saw her. Very coldly. My dad just stood there watching the doors. Didn’t sit down. I have never seen him so angry. \nFinally they got her a room. Then allowed 2 visitors at a time. On the way there I was expecting to see packed rooms and frantic, tired looking nurses who were overworked. Nope. So many empty rooms. 8 or so nurses standing around a station. No sense or urgency. No doctor ever did check her. So all of the that for nothing. I can honestly say I’ve never had a positive or warm experience in a hospital.",
">\n\nUsually, when you aren't a massive prick they are nice. So maybe that's on you",
">\n\nMost doctors are smart. Thats about it. Being smart =/= social skills",
">\n\nThe way I see it is that I'm paying for their smart brains not their people skills.",
">\n\n*a lot of the medical profession isn't",
">\n\nAll facts",
">\n\nWhat is ME?",
">\n\nDiagnostic Imaging Tech here. There's some truth to this but there's good reason for some of it as well.\nToday alone, I've been puked on, yelled at by a radiologist for following protocol, told off by a patient cause they didn't have their prep work done and a half dozen difficult exams on top of my normal workload. \nAnd this shit happens regularly. It gets to you after a while. We don't want to give off a bad impression to patients but we're only human.",
">\n\nYep, they’re human and they do it for the money. Not many of them actually have a heart for what they do. But the ones who do are absolute gems.",
">\n\nI'm sure this is just a personal experience, but I kind of feel like the bigger the asshole doctor the better they are as a doctor. Most of the best doctors I've ever had have been kind of assholes",
">\n\nHonestly, I've had the opposite experience. The worst doctors I've had (I have chronic conditions so I've seen many) have been the meanest. They talk down to people, don't listen to symptoms, and claim that things are all in patient's heads. The nicest ones that I've had are the ones that have been able to actually run tests, diagnose me, and help me with ways of managing or curing problems",
">\n\nI don't entirely disagree. All the good ones seem to burn out. The ones that stay harden, are expert at unit politics, and fly under management's radar.",
">\n\nYou have to consider that in order to work in the medical profession you probably need to have somewhat low empathy. People who are very empathic and caring probably couldn't do this job, because they couldn't stop thinking about all the stuff they see at work. You'd see a parent slowly being killed by cancer and their children and partner crying often when they visit, or a patient who was severely injured in some tragic accident dying, and you have to tell that to their family, or a man who had a stroke which made him disabled. \nI hope you get my point, I think people who are high in empathy just couldn't work in a hospital or in the ambulance. They would most likely just get really depressed after a while, it would break them. You need to be able to not let this stuff get to you, and for that you have to be low in empathy, or the big 5 trait agreeableness. Surgents need to be especially low in empathy, because you just can't cut people open if you're a very empathic person. And even though medical professionals are probably low in empathy, there are still some things they experience that even affects them. Being a medical professional is a very emotionally demanding job.",
">\n\nA lot of any profession aren’t very nice people. It’s not a medical thing.",
">\n\nThis is sadly very true. My experience was also not great most of the time. I always find these physician in a hurry to see as many patients as they can. I am not against them making money but I'd expect them to give proper response regarding diet and we'll being. All I get is ... \"Eat everything except deep fried stuff\" .... Bitch please.",
">\n\nMmm...\"don't really care\" is a bit of a stretch. These people obviously cared enough at some point to go through all the school / debt to start taking care of people. \nI think a couple reasons for the \"aren't very nice\" aspect...\n-Our current medical model selects for people who are very good at sciences (biology, organic chemistry, physics, etc) who get high scores on tests. I think it would benefit us to start looking at people with a more liberal arts background / people with work experience. \n-Speaking from the physician side, it is very hard to be nice / appear really caring when you've been up 28 hours every couple of days for years at a time. It can take a lot out of you. \n-People who are naturally malignant/mean get a pass in the medical environment and some people who are naturally mean spirited thrive here. All you have to do is position what you're doing in the name of \"patient safety\" and you get away with it. (A nurse yelling at other nurses, nurses yelling at residents, attendings yelling at residents, residents yelling/belittling medical students). \n-Cultures of abuse self propagate. It happened to me and made me better, so now I'm going to do it to you.",
">\n\nThe biggest assholes are those in healthcare, for sure.",
">\n\nThe majority of them are only there for the money.\nPatient wellbeing or ethics? That kind of stuff only comes at their convenience/sudden whim",
">\n\nI deal with a lot of doctors through the social circles I run around in, and 90% of doctors I run into are arrogant assholes who believe they are better than everyone.",
">\n\nDoctors here in westcoast 🇨🇦 are downright prudes sitting on thrones \nNurses are saints, paramedics deserve all the gold\nSpecialists reluctant, sometimes lazy, but generally alright and vital\nCounsellors/Psyche workers either wonderful , aloof or complete narcicist c**** \nI just want to emphasize again: Nurses and Paramedical are living, breathing saints and do NOT get the pay, the resources, or the love they deserve.\nIf you're a Nurse or Paramedic reading this: It's because of people like you that I'm alive and here today, so thank you 💐",
">\n\nSomeone I used to know who worked as a nurse told me they are paid to give care, not to care. Big difference.",
">\n\nI am a med student and you are unfortunately right. We receive such horrible treatment from profs and other interns that we lose empathy I guess",
">\n\nMy vet told me when I couldn't afford 10 days of insulin at $200, and the $60 4lb diabetic food that I didn't love my cat and I should consider putting her to sleep. Needless to say I switched vets and did a low carb diet change her blood counts have been fine since.\nI haven't exactly had horrible experiences at a Dr's.",
">\n\nI swear to god ive seen this exact same post somewhere, like word for word",
">\n\nI literally wrote it out myself word for word ?",
">\n\nthen maybe im just braindead"
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"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care.",
">\n\nMany are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.\nMedical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal.",
">\n\nI've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase \"nurses are heroes,\" I think about Homelander.",
">\n\nOBGYNs would be a prime example of this, obstetric violence is on the rise (some say 1/4 of women have experienced obstetric violence) and many OBGYNs only care about control, money and their schedule and not their patients and their children.",
">\n\nA doctor told me he wouldn’t look into me having adhd or autism because anxiety and depression were easier to treat. I had a doctor who was only concerned about my weight but didn’t give a shit about what was actually causing me to be overweight. She put me into a weight loss program instead of trying to figure out what was actually wrong. Also broke privilege, that said it wasn’t a medical thing but still shouldn’t have said it.\nOf three doctors I’ve had, the majority have been horrible.",
">\n\nI am not a doctor but I have been working directly with doctors, NPs and PAs for almost 25 years. I can tell you there are those that don't care but so many do. A lot of those that don't care are usually jaded because of the absolute shit they have to deal with. The patients that never follow what they are told to fix something and just call and complain that they're not healed, patients that think there's a magic pill to cure whatever is wrong with them. Then there are the people in charge of the facility's operations and how they require certain steps or time frames for things to be done when those people aren't doctors and have only ever been administrators. There's so much bullshit doctor's have to put up with. \nShit, we still, 3 years into COVID and people still want to come in to the clinic where I work without masks and yell at the people asking them to put a mask on. Patients STILL try to act like \"oh, I don't have COVID. It's just allergies\" and they think antibiotics will cure COVID, a cold and a flu. It's fucking ridiculous.",
">\n\nIt's funny that one argument I hear against socialized medicine is that no one would do it for a lower salary, but instead we have jerks who do it only for a high salary and don't care about patients.",
">\n\nI went to a college with a big nursing program, and man some of them were straight up evil. I mean just stuff that made me TERRIFIED they would be in a place where ethics was necessary. \nI had an acquaintance that was a nurse and man some of her posts during COVID made me want to report her. \nBut I do ascribe to the \"1/3 of the world is insane\" principle, and yeah you run into these people all over the place, but still it's kinda spooky because when you're in the hospital or something you are at their absolute MERCY and it makes me kind of nervous I'll get somebody awful if something happens to me.",
">\n\nWhy I stay as far away from health”care” as possible",
">\n\nso what? it's not a requirement",
">\n\nIf you are a care provider then it is required. It's in the name of the job.",
">\n\nOh yea let me just fuck up the entire operation because I don’t care about the patient",
">\n\nWhen you are constantly understaffed and patients assault you, yell at you, are demanding, rude, it takes it's toll. I'm not saying healthcare staff have a right to take it out on you but as someone who works in healthcare I can say just because someone isn't super friendly doesn't mean they are not taking care of you or not doing their best to make your stay nice. \nA lot of people think they know better than the doctor or nurse and get mad when the nurse or doctor doesn't immediately do what you want or say. When you have asked for the same thing 15 times but we can't give it to you for a medical reason we're not being mean, we're doing our job.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nThis has been my experience too. And I used to work in medical research and those people aren’t any better - probably worse I’d say. But doctors and nurses being straight up mean for no reason seems to just be getting worse. \nI won’t go to the doctor anymore unless I absolutely have to. And sometimes not even then. I broke my nose and got a concussion a couple weeks ago and you couldn’t have paid me enough to go to a doctor for that, I can fix that myself good enough to not bother with the experience of dealing with them.",
">\n\nDon’t agree!! Every profession has its share of unprofessionals!!",
">\n\nNurses aide here! I agree to an extent. After limping for three weeks due to being beat up by a patient who was not confused, I’m sorry I cannot just be sunshine and rainbows. But as I’ve heard alotnof people in the healthcare profession say, if you don’t like the care, take ‘em home! My favourite is : “ this is a hospital, not a a hotel!” And I actually love my job. There are good days and bad days and unfortunately, we see everyone on their worst days. Treat people how you want to be treated. I’ve said it a million times. One patient even made fun of how I write my name lol they are choosing to be trouble. It’s not all on the staff.",
">\n\nI could guess it's because they work in an environment dealing with people and dealing with people especially sick or in pain is draining but that's just my two cents",
">\n\nLast year. Covid restrictions were high. Masks. Social distance. All of that. My mom was in a head on collision. She was ok, but we didn’t know that. She was taken to the nearest hospital via ambulance and left in the hallway by a nurse’s station for 6 hours. She was uncomfortable and laying on a stretcher with a neck brace. No doctor or nurse came to talk to her. \nWe were in the waiting room. Begging for one of us to go back there to be with her. We would ask if she was alive, able to communicate, or the simplest of updates. They said they couldn’t tell us until a doctor saw her. Very coldly. My dad just stood there watching the doors. Didn’t sit down. I have never seen him so angry. \nFinally they got her a room. Then allowed 2 visitors at a time. On the way there I was expecting to see packed rooms and frantic, tired looking nurses who were overworked. Nope. So many empty rooms. 8 or so nurses standing around a station. No sense or urgency. No doctor ever did check her. So all of the that for nothing. I can honestly say I’ve never had a positive or warm experience in a hospital.",
">\n\nUsually, when you aren't a massive prick they are nice. So maybe that's on you",
">\n\nMost doctors are smart. Thats about it. Being smart =/= social skills",
">\n\nThe way I see it is that I'm paying for their smart brains not their people skills.",
">\n\n*a lot of the medical profession isn't",
">\n\nAll facts",
">\n\nWhat is ME?",
">\n\nDiagnostic Imaging Tech here. There's some truth to this but there's good reason for some of it as well.\nToday alone, I've been puked on, yelled at by a radiologist for following protocol, told off by a patient cause they didn't have their prep work done and a half dozen difficult exams on top of my normal workload. \nAnd this shit happens regularly. It gets to you after a while. We don't want to give off a bad impression to patients but we're only human.",
">\n\nYep, they’re human and they do it for the money. Not many of them actually have a heart for what they do. But the ones who do are absolute gems.",
">\n\nI'm sure this is just a personal experience, but I kind of feel like the bigger the asshole doctor the better they are as a doctor. Most of the best doctors I've ever had have been kind of assholes",
">\n\nHonestly, I've had the opposite experience. The worst doctors I've had (I have chronic conditions so I've seen many) have been the meanest. They talk down to people, don't listen to symptoms, and claim that things are all in patient's heads. The nicest ones that I've had are the ones that have been able to actually run tests, diagnose me, and help me with ways of managing or curing problems",
">\n\nI don't entirely disagree. All the good ones seem to burn out. The ones that stay harden, are expert at unit politics, and fly under management's radar.",
">\n\nYou have to consider that in order to work in the medical profession you probably need to have somewhat low empathy. People who are very empathic and caring probably couldn't do this job, because they couldn't stop thinking about all the stuff they see at work. You'd see a parent slowly being killed by cancer and their children and partner crying often when they visit, or a patient who was severely injured in some tragic accident dying, and you have to tell that to their family, or a man who had a stroke which made him disabled. \nI hope you get my point, I think people who are high in empathy just couldn't work in a hospital or in the ambulance. They would most likely just get really depressed after a while, it would break them. You need to be able to not let this stuff get to you, and for that you have to be low in empathy, or the big 5 trait agreeableness. Surgents need to be especially low in empathy, because you just can't cut people open if you're a very empathic person. And even though medical professionals are probably low in empathy, there are still some things they experience that even affects them. Being a medical professional is a very emotionally demanding job.",
">\n\nA lot of any profession aren’t very nice people. It’s not a medical thing.",
">\n\nThis is sadly very true. My experience was also not great most of the time. I always find these physician in a hurry to see as many patients as they can. I am not against them making money but I'd expect them to give proper response regarding diet and we'll being. All I get is ... \"Eat everything except deep fried stuff\" .... Bitch please.",
">\n\nMmm...\"don't really care\" is a bit of a stretch. These people obviously cared enough at some point to go through all the school / debt to start taking care of people. \nI think a couple reasons for the \"aren't very nice\" aspect...\n-Our current medical model selects for people who are very good at sciences (biology, organic chemistry, physics, etc) who get high scores on tests. I think it would benefit us to start looking at people with a more liberal arts background / people with work experience. \n-Speaking from the physician side, it is very hard to be nice / appear really caring when you've been up 28 hours every couple of days for years at a time. It can take a lot out of you. \n-People who are naturally malignant/mean get a pass in the medical environment and some people who are naturally mean spirited thrive here. All you have to do is position what you're doing in the name of \"patient safety\" and you get away with it. (A nurse yelling at other nurses, nurses yelling at residents, attendings yelling at residents, residents yelling/belittling medical students). \n-Cultures of abuse self propagate. It happened to me and made me better, so now I'm going to do it to you.",
">\n\nThe biggest assholes are those in healthcare, for sure.",
">\n\nThe majority of them are only there for the money.\nPatient wellbeing or ethics? That kind of stuff only comes at their convenience/sudden whim",
">\n\nI deal with a lot of doctors through the social circles I run around in, and 90% of doctors I run into are arrogant assholes who believe they are better than everyone.",
">\n\nDoctors here in westcoast 🇨🇦 are downright prudes sitting on thrones \nNurses are saints, paramedics deserve all the gold\nSpecialists reluctant, sometimes lazy, but generally alright and vital\nCounsellors/Psyche workers either wonderful , aloof or complete narcicist c**** \nI just want to emphasize again: Nurses and Paramedical are living, breathing saints and do NOT get the pay, the resources, or the love they deserve.\nIf you're a Nurse or Paramedic reading this: It's because of people like you that I'm alive and here today, so thank you 💐",
">\n\nSomeone I used to know who worked as a nurse told me they are paid to give care, not to care. Big difference.",
">\n\nI am a med student and you are unfortunately right. We receive such horrible treatment from profs and other interns that we lose empathy I guess",
">\n\nMy vet told me when I couldn't afford 10 days of insulin at $200, and the $60 4lb diabetic food that I didn't love my cat and I should consider putting her to sleep. Needless to say I switched vets and did a low carb diet change her blood counts have been fine since.\nI haven't exactly had horrible experiences at a Dr's.",
">\n\nI swear to god ive seen this exact same post somewhere, like word for word",
">\n\nI literally wrote it out myself word for word ?",
">\n\nthen maybe im just braindead",
">\n\nMy experience doesn't support this, but believe someone else could end up encountering rude, uncaring medical professionals a lot. Not justifying or excusing bad behavior,but some are probably experiencing burnout."
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"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care.",
">\n\nMany are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.\nMedical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal.",
">\n\nI've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase \"nurses are heroes,\" I think about Homelander.",
">\n\nOBGYNs would be a prime example of this, obstetric violence is on the rise (some say 1/4 of women have experienced obstetric violence) and many OBGYNs only care about control, money and their schedule and not their patients and their children.",
">\n\nA doctor told me he wouldn’t look into me having adhd or autism because anxiety and depression were easier to treat. I had a doctor who was only concerned about my weight but didn’t give a shit about what was actually causing me to be overweight. She put me into a weight loss program instead of trying to figure out what was actually wrong. Also broke privilege, that said it wasn’t a medical thing but still shouldn’t have said it.\nOf three doctors I’ve had, the majority have been horrible.",
">\n\nI am not a doctor but I have been working directly with doctors, NPs and PAs for almost 25 years. I can tell you there are those that don't care but so many do. A lot of those that don't care are usually jaded because of the absolute shit they have to deal with. The patients that never follow what they are told to fix something and just call and complain that they're not healed, patients that think there's a magic pill to cure whatever is wrong with them. Then there are the people in charge of the facility's operations and how they require certain steps or time frames for things to be done when those people aren't doctors and have only ever been administrators. There's so much bullshit doctor's have to put up with. \nShit, we still, 3 years into COVID and people still want to come in to the clinic where I work without masks and yell at the people asking them to put a mask on. Patients STILL try to act like \"oh, I don't have COVID. It's just allergies\" and they think antibiotics will cure COVID, a cold and a flu. It's fucking ridiculous.",
">\n\nIt's funny that one argument I hear against socialized medicine is that no one would do it for a lower salary, but instead we have jerks who do it only for a high salary and don't care about patients.",
">\n\nI went to a college with a big nursing program, and man some of them were straight up evil. I mean just stuff that made me TERRIFIED they would be in a place where ethics was necessary. \nI had an acquaintance that was a nurse and man some of her posts during COVID made me want to report her. \nBut I do ascribe to the \"1/3 of the world is insane\" principle, and yeah you run into these people all over the place, but still it's kinda spooky because when you're in the hospital or something you are at their absolute MERCY and it makes me kind of nervous I'll get somebody awful if something happens to me.",
">\n\nWhy I stay as far away from health”care” as possible",
">\n\nso what? it's not a requirement",
">\n\nIf you are a care provider then it is required. It's in the name of the job.",
">\n\nOh yea let me just fuck up the entire operation because I don’t care about the patient",
">\n\nWhen you are constantly understaffed and patients assault you, yell at you, are demanding, rude, it takes it's toll. I'm not saying healthcare staff have a right to take it out on you but as someone who works in healthcare I can say just because someone isn't super friendly doesn't mean they are not taking care of you or not doing their best to make your stay nice. \nA lot of people think they know better than the doctor or nurse and get mad when the nurse or doctor doesn't immediately do what you want or say. When you have asked for the same thing 15 times but we can't give it to you for a medical reason we're not being mean, we're doing our job.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nThis has been my experience too. And I used to work in medical research and those people aren’t any better - probably worse I’d say. But doctors and nurses being straight up mean for no reason seems to just be getting worse. \nI won’t go to the doctor anymore unless I absolutely have to. And sometimes not even then. I broke my nose and got a concussion a couple weeks ago and you couldn’t have paid me enough to go to a doctor for that, I can fix that myself good enough to not bother with the experience of dealing with them.",
">\n\nDon’t agree!! Every profession has its share of unprofessionals!!",
">\n\nNurses aide here! I agree to an extent. After limping for three weeks due to being beat up by a patient who was not confused, I’m sorry I cannot just be sunshine and rainbows. But as I’ve heard alotnof people in the healthcare profession say, if you don’t like the care, take ‘em home! My favourite is : “ this is a hospital, not a a hotel!” And I actually love my job. There are good days and bad days and unfortunately, we see everyone on their worst days. Treat people how you want to be treated. I’ve said it a million times. One patient even made fun of how I write my name lol they are choosing to be trouble. It’s not all on the staff.",
">\n\nI could guess it's because they work in an environment dealing with people and dealing with people especially sick or in pain is draining but that's just my two cents",
">\n\nLast year. Covid restrictions were high. Masks. Social distance. All of that. My mom was in a head on collision. She was ok, but we didn’t know that. She was taken to the nearest hospital via ambulance and left in the hallway by a nurse’s station for 6 hours. She was uncomfortable and laying on a stretcher with a neck brace. No doctor or nurse came to talk to her. \nWe were in the waiting room. Begging for one of us to go back there to be with her. We would ask if she was alive, able to communicate, or the simplest of updates. They said they couldn’t tell us until a doctor saw her. Very coldly. My dad just stood there watching the doors. Didn’t sit down. I have never seen him so angry. \nFinally they got her a room. Then allowed 2 visitors at a time. On the way there I was expecting to see packed rooms and frantic, tired looking nurses who were overworked. Nope. So many empty rooms. 8 or so nurses standing around a station. No sense or urgency. No doctor ever did check her. So all of the that for nothing. I can honestly say I’ve never had a positive or warm experience in a hospital.",
">\n\nUsually, when you aren't a massive prick they are nice. So maybe that's on you",
">\n\nMost doctors are smart. Thats about it. Being smart =/= social skills",
">\n\nThe way I see it is that I'm paying for their smart brains not their people skills.",
">\n\n*a lot of the medical profession isn't",
">\n\nAll facts",
">\n\nWhat is ME?",
">\n\nDiagnostic Imaging Tech here. There's some truth to this but there's good reason for some of it as well.\nToday alone, I've been puked on, yelled at by a radiologist for following protocol, told off by a patient cause they didn't have their prep work done and a half dozen difficult exams on top of my normal workload. \nAnd this shit happens regularly. It gets to you after a while. We don't want to give off a bad impression to patients but we're only human.",
">\n\nYep, they’re human and they do it for the money. Not many of them actually have a heart for what they do. But the ones who do are absolute gems.",
">\n\nI'm sure this is just a personal experience, but I kind of feel like the bigger the asshole doctor the better they are as a doctor. Most of the best doctors I've ever had have been kind of assholes",
">\n\nHonestly, I've had the opposite experience. The worst doctors I've had (I have chronic conditions so I've seen many) have been the meanest. They talk down to people, don't listen to symptoms, and claim that things are all in patient's heads. The nicest ones that I've had are the ones that have been able to actually run tests, diagnose me, and help me with ways of managing or curing problems",
">\n\nI don't entirely disagree. All the good ones seem to burn out. The ones that stay harden, are expert at unit politics, and fly under management's radar.",
">\n\nYou have to consider that in order to work in the medical profession you probably need to have somewhat low empathy. People who are very empathic and caring probably couldn't do this job, because they couldn't stop thinking about all the stuff they see at work. You'd see a parent slowly being killed by cancer and their children and partner crying often when they visit, or a patient who was severely injured in some tragic accident dying, and you have to tell that to their family, or a man who had a stroke which made him disabled. \nI hope you get my point, I think people who are high in empathy just couldn't work in a hospital or in the ambulance. They would most likely just get really depressed after a while, it would break them. You need to be able to not let this stuff get to you, and for that you have to be low in empathy, or the big 5 trait agreeableness. Surgents need to be especially low in empathy, because you just can't cut people open if you're a very empathic person. And even though medical professionals are probably low in empathy, there are still some things they experience that even affects them. Being a medical professional is a very emotionally demanding job.",
">\n\nA lot of any profession aren’t very nice people. It’s not a medical thing.",
">\n\nThis is sadly very true. My experience was also not great most of the time. I always find these physician in a hurry to see as many patients as they can. I am not against them making money but I'd expect them to give proper response regarding diet and we'll being. All I get is ... \"Eat everything except deep fried stuff\" .... Bitch please.",
">\n\nMmm...\"don't really care\" is a bit of a stretch. These people obviously cared enough at some point to go through all the school / debt to start taking care of people. \nI think a couple reasons for the \"aren't very nice\" aspect...\n-Our current medical model selects for people who are very good at sciences (biology, organic chemistry, physics, etc) who get high scores on tests. I think it would benefit us to start looking at people with a more liberal arts background / people with work experience. \n-Speaking from the physician side, it is very hard to be nice / appear really caring when you've been up 28 hours every couple of days for years at a time. It can take a lot out of you. \n-People who are naturally malignant/mean get a pass in the medical environment and some people who are naturally mean spirited thrive here. All you have to do is position what you're doing in the name of \"patient safety\" and you get away with it. (A nurse yelling at other nurses, nurses yelling at residents, attendings yelling at residents, residents yelling/belittling medical students). \n-Cultures of abuse self propagate. It happened to me and made me better, so now I'm going to do it to you.",
">\n\nThe biggest assholes are those in healthcare, for sure.",
">\n\nThe majority of them are only there for the money.\nPatient wellbeing or ethics? That kind of stuff only comes at their convenience/sudden whim",
">\n\nI deal with a lot of doctors through the social circles I run around in, and 90% of doctors I run into are arrogant assholes who believe they are better than everyone.",
">\n\nDoctors here in westcoast 🇨🇦 are downright prudes sitting on thrones \nNurses are saints, paramedics deserve all the gold\nSpecialists reluctant, sometimes lazy, but generally alright and vital\nCounsellors/Psyche workers either wonderful , aloof or complete narcicist c**** \nI just want to emphasize again: Nurses and Paramedical are living, breathing saints and do NOT get the pay, the resources, or the love they deserve.\nIf you're a Nurse or Paramedic reading this: It's because of people like you that I'm alive and here today, so thank you 💐",
">\n\nSomeone I used to know who worked as a nurse told me they are paid to give care, not to care. Big difference.",
">\n\nI am a med student and you are unfortunately right. We receive such horrible treatment from profs and other interns that we lose empathy I guess",
">\n\nMy vet told me when I couldn't afford 10 days of insulin at $200, and the $60 4lb diabetic food that I didn't love my cat and I should consider putting her to sleep. Needless to say I switched vets and did a low carb diet change her blood counts have been fine since.\nI haven't exactly had horrible experiences at a Dr's.",
">\n\nI swear to god ive seen this exact same post somewhere, like word for word",
">\n\nI literally wrote it out myself word for word ?",
">\n\nthen maybe im just braindead",
">\n\nMy experience doesn't support this, but believe someone else could end up encountering rude, uncaring medical professionals a lot. Not justifying or excusing bad behavior,but some are probably experiencing burnout.",
">\n\nI’ve had similar experiences. However I don’t think it’s fair to say “a lot” when you have never encountered the majority of healthcare professionals"
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"It's a difficult field. You need compassion, but also toughness. \nStart your shift and help a mean asshole recover. The asshole demeans you and complains despite your effective care. Then try to keep a sweet old lady alive, but she doesn't make it. Then a patient argues with you about medication, saying they don't like the way it makes them feel. You may not even be the one who prescribed it, just the one administering it. Next, you see a patient who has had a gruesome accident. This reminds you of someone close to you. After that, you bathe a patient who is vegetative. \nWhew, you survived a shift. You can go home, but you can't fully relax. You're on-call and see that the next shift is understaffed as you walk out the door.\nSmile!",
">\n\nI work in healthcare. The amount of rude nurses I have to deal with is heart breaking. Some of them are SO ready to leave when their shift ends like they couldn’t care less what happens to that patient. Others will complain and moan about the patient calling for help. I’ve even witnessed verbal altercations between family members and nurses before. \nHaving said that, some patients don’t give a crap about themselves. We try and we try and we try to help them. And yet we see them come in to the ER every month or so. Same issues. \nSome patients use nurses as their personal servants. Bring me juice, now bring me pudding, now I can’t hold my own urinal, I don’t want a bath, then complains about how the nurse didn’t even bother to bathe them. \nSome patients are abusive. Call you stupid, call you lazy, sexually harass you, grab your ass, call you pretty all while you’re trying to shave their groin area for their upcoming surgery. \nAnd some family members have no idea what it takes to take care of 4 different patients yet they’re the most demanding. Making a 10 minute assessment stretch into a 45 minute interrogation as to why this medicine, why that one, why haven’t you called the doctor, why hasn’t the doctor ordered such medicine, this cafeteria food is trash, does the doctor know about that cough, does he know her fever is 99.6? Does he know she is hurting? Percocet isn’t strong enough, morphine isn’t strong enough, we need stronger medication. \nOf course, we SHOULD be able to turn off the disgust, the anger, the frustration, the belittlement, we felt from one room and go into another room with a smile and a bubbly personality. Sure. But that’s a lot to ask sometimes.",
">\n\nI'm with you on all of this. I'm not s doctor or nurse but do administrative shit for them. OMG. I've been cursed at for telling patients that the doctor will not refill this medication because you have not scheduled a follow up, as required by policy to monitor how you're doing on it. Well, Mrs Smith, you haven't had a follow up and BP check as required while taking Adderall. Last month he gave you a bridge of it so you had time to make an appointment and you canceled that appointment the day after scheduling it. Or when they come to their appointment 30 minutes late and demand to be seen because they have things to do. \nBut it's worth it when I go out of my way to help a patient get their medication when something isn't their fault and go to the doctor as their advocate and make sure they know it's out of their control. The patient thanks you and even remembers the next time they call that you helped them and they're obviously grateful. I feel good that I helped them.",
">\n\nFormer ICU nurse here, now doing anesthesia. \nThe amount of times I’ve been cussed out, degraded, or physically assaulted is beyond my ability to count. The public does not understand just how bad the job flat out sucks, nor how taxing it is mentally and physically. We are constantly understaffed and management only cares about metrics and checking online training boxes. I’ve had family members berate me for “sitting on my ass” as I’m trying to catch up on the insane amount of mandatory charting we have every shift. The only way I learned to manage was to disconnect a bit and do what I needed to do to provide safe and effective patient care. The compassion didn’t leave me, nor did empathy, but sometimes time management is more important for patient safety.",
">\n\nThis should be pinned comment and i can attest to this as a heathcare professional. Its hard to put a smile on your face when stuff like this happens behind the scenes. People just dont get that we are human too and our emotions get bottled up and start to affect our jobs to the point where you either become so callast you stop caring or you blow up. I remember being new and so caring and compassionate for the job but now its just a 9-5 job for me\nAlso, for anyone reading this, healthcare isnt a 5 star service. If you want 5 star service check into a resort. My only job is to make sure you dont die.",
">\n\nThere are certainly jerks in the medical field, just like any other field. Try to keep in mind, though, that a lot of the doctors (especially in certain specialties) who seem like they don’t care actually do care very much, it’s just that some level of emotional detachment is necessary for them to do their job well.\nMy brother is an ICU doctor, and he often comes across as very stoic and unemotional. In reality he has a ton of compassion for his patients and he loves caring for them, he’s just always surrounded by people who could (and often do) die at any moment, and he wouldn’t be of much help to them if he wasn’t able to keep a level head when they start crashing.",
">\n\nThank you for sharing this I can totally appreciate this - it makes a lot of sense, it must be a very hard job as well I know. And thank you to your brother for his service, the good experiences I’ve had I will remember fondly.",
">\n\nThis just in: There a a lot of shitty people in the world and some of them work in the medical profession!",
">\n\nObviously this is true and I guess there is a bias when it comes to experiences with the medical profession as we all have experience with it, I’ve just not met one person I don’t think who’s not had one or several bad experiences some absolutely horrendous.",
">\n\nGoes both ways I guess. I’m sure they have all had their share of asshole patients.",
">\n\nMedical professionals have to deal with difficult ppl all the time, which is exhausting.",
">\n\nDoesn't give them the right to treat the people like shit",
">\n\nNo but understanding that they are human and having to deal with countless ungrateful ppl should leviate that.",
">\n\nIt's like taking out your anger on someone who wasn't the cause of anything. What about the patients who weren't ungrateful? They should just accept that they are getting bad treatment because the health care provider is having a bad day? I understand what you are saying but I find it unfair for the patients.",
">\n\nMeh, I'd beg to differ. Most modern medicine is there to treat unhealthy lifestyles. Why should doctors/ nurses care about your emotions while ppl actively poisen their own bodies or put them self in stupid situations that themselves could have changed but are too arrogant and selfish to look at themselves and then blame others for not caring.\nDoctors exist to treat you, not give you emotional support. Family and friends are for that. Bit at the same time. Some do treat ppl like pure shit bit we live in a world with horrible ppl. Frankly, I think if ppl treated doctors and nurses better along with the government actually paying a reasonable amount, this may be less of a problem but that ain't the case.",
">\n\nNot all people's conditions are a result of them poisoning their bodies. \nI will agree to disagree.",
">\n\nI really used to think that. I had a resident roommate for a bit that turned attending. If they care it can impact judgement. They’re good at what they do, this field dehumanizes them to just be good and try to do the thing that is the best outcome for the patient",
">\n\nMy transplant surgeon was a weird dude and his bed side manner was also odd. He did get a kick out of me saying my organ had been stolen my a crocodile. However, he is one of the top transplant surgeons in the country and he absolutely advocated for me. Would I have wanted a surgeon who was all warm and cuddly, but half as talented? Fuck no! I want the weird dude that's going to do a damn good job saving my life.",
">\n\nIt's one of them things after a while i think you need to become numb to them things",
">\n\nI'm sure it is but if you start to become rude from the numbness it's time to switch it up in the medical profession, take a looonngg break if you can, or straight up get a different career. Medical jobs need nice people as depending on the situation it's a very scary time for people. Also, if you need medical attention you are vulnerable and should be treated with decency",
">\n\nI agree, but they don't have to be nice. As long as they do their job I'm happy. I find my gp to be quite rude and condescending, but she's always been absolutely on the ball when it comes to her job, which is to do with my physical health. And as for them not caring, I don't think they'd function for very long in their jobs if they had an emotional connection to their patients. They deal with sick, pained and often dying people every day. If you don't keep that at a distance it'll eat you up inside in no time.",
">\n\nAny job that deals with the public will ruin you",
">\n\nI've always noticed that Regular family physicians are usually cold, uncaring and kinda dismissive. The best interactions I've had are with specialty doctors like my dentist and optician and ENT they seem to have a much more outward personality and genuinely care, but thats just my experience.",
">\n\nWhile I'm sure there are many many medical professionals who do very much care, I have to agree with this post based on my own experience several years ago when I was hospitalized for several days and had to undergo surgery to remove my gall bladder. \n-The E.R. nurse missed my vein when trying to install the IV line and ended up pumping fluids somewhere else in my arm, muscle maybe?, that caused my arm to swell up and be super painful and it took quite awhile of trying to flag someone down to fix it. Nurse that fixed it got mad that I 'hadn't said anything about it.' I didn't say anything immediately because I'm not a nurse or a doctor and didn't know for sure something was wrong until the pain and swelling happened. \n-Once the IV line was in my vein, I kept getting yelled at by the nurses because the line kept occluding and setting off the alarm, but that happened because they put it in the bend of my dominant arm and there was no way to hold my arm still for the several days I was in the hospital. I kept asking them to move the line to a different vein but they kept ignoring me. When they finally did move it, the occlusions magically stopped happening. \n-Got yelled at and accused of withholding information because I told them that the only prescription I was on was my birth control (it was the only prescription I had at the time and was being used to treat PCOS). They wouldn't let me take any pills until they could \"verify\" that and as a result I missed a couple of doses of my BC and started my period while hospitalized, which made things so much more pleasant. \n-Got accused of being diabetic because I was \"perspiring\" so much. I wasn't diabetic. I also wasn't perspiring. I just have very oily skin on my scalp and face and they refused to allow me to bathe so the oil had built up.\n-The night before my surgery, while a friend of mine was visiting, a nurse asked me to pray with her that the surgery would go well. I am an atheist and so is the friend who was visiting so I politely said no and she questioned me as to why, as if it's any of her damn business. \n-When I woke up from surgery, I was offered an injection of dilaudid but said no because I wasn't in pain. A little later, I got up from my bed to use the bathroom. The surgery that I'd had done was laproscopic and as a result there was a bunch of carbon dioxide gas still trapped in my abdomen. It shifted around and caused the worst pain I'd ever experienced. So I cried until they finally gave me the Dilaudid injection because holy shit that hurt so bad and all they would offer me was Vicodin tablets which take too long to take effect. The next morning, my surgeon YELLED at me for crying because I just had surgery and should expect to be in pain. Like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know I just had surgery. I expect there to be pain, but I also expect my medical team to treat the pain effectively. \n-The next morning when the nurse was doing her rounds, she asked me if I'd used the bathroom yet that morning. I told her that I had not. She asked me if I had tried. I explained to her that I had not tried and would not be trying until it was time for my next Dilaudid injection because I was not going to have a repeat of the situation from the night before. The nurse threatened to place a urinary catheter in me if I didn't get up and go. I told her again that I would use the bathroom when it was time for my Dilaudid and not a moment sooner and that she absolutely was not going to catheterize me. \n-I ended up back in the hospital like two weeks later with liver complications (I went back in due to having rust-colored urine). I wasn't in any pain when I arrived but they kept trying to give me morphine anyway. \nIn horrible pain because they just pumped your abdomen full of gas and cut out of one of your organs? That only warrants some Vicodin tabs. \nNot in any pain at all? Oh, would you like some morphine? \nBottom line is that just about every profession has some people who are good and care about what they do and the people they serve, and some people who are terrible and really shouldn't be in that line of work.",
">\n\nDid it ever occur to you that people need to remove themselves from situations emotionally so they can make decisions that serve the best interest of the patients they serve?",
">\n\nYes and I wasn’t taking about that, I get that I’m not expecting a red carpet type thing I’m talking human decency. I’m disabled and that’s brought out the worst in some people as in my experience the medical profession seems to look down on chronic patients especially undiagnosed symptoms - or ME.",
">\n\nNo you're so right. I have several chronic conditions and chronic pain. Every time I go to the doctor for them, especially the undiagnosed symptoms, I get treated like I'm stupid, like it's all in my head, and like I'm annoying them. It has given me so much health anxiety because every doctor I've been to just disregards all of my problems",
">\n\nThey are jaded. People are difficult to deal with especially when sick",
">\n\nSure, they are just people. Lotta jerks out there.",
">\n\nCan’t argue with that!",
">\n\nBut what about the patients though? They are already having a hard time being sick so it wouldn't hurt to be nice to them",
">\n\nI agree. I personally find that with my disability if they’re bad people, it’ll bring it out pretty quick.",
">\n\nSome of the nurses were mean to me during my time at the hospital. If they were nice I wouldn't have felt as bad.",
">\n\nSorry to hear that, I’m glad I had my mum with me and that she was allowed to stay - as one of the nurses wasn’t having it and got a bit huffy. But we explained because of my disability I needed a carer!",
">\n\nThank you!",
">\n\nThey see it more as a business than healthcare",
">\n\nYes, this is an issue with some I think, you want to feel like a human and not a body. But I also think the system (at least in my county) really doesn’t help.",
">\n\nIts mine too. \nThis shouldnt be a unpopular opinion but the base of an upcoming change. Fuck..",
">\n\nYou're absolutely right. If you have anything more complex than a cold then a lot of doctors don't care to look into it or are too incompetent to try, then they usually hide this by acting like you're somehow at fault. This more of an experience chronically ill people have because otherwise you just don't see this side of doctors",
">\n\nI can’t even count how many times I’ve said. “ that person should NOT be in the medical field, I agree.",
">\n\nHonestly, whilst I agree with you, I don’t even blame them. Their shifts are gruelling and exhausting. Long shifts with constant hard work throughout and not a lot of break time in some cases, I don’t think anyone I know could do their job and maintain a smile and positive attitude throughout the day.",
">\n\nSo. There’s a reason why they say that it takes someone with a certain attitude to be a nurse. It’s not just said to be cringey ( a lot of nurse culture stuff is stupid and cringey but that’s another topic). Medical professionals often have to deal with people having some of the worst days of their lives. We take abuse and have to stay both professional and compassionate. I have developed many interpersonal relationships skills doing this job but it takes patience and experience to develop this. This isn’t really obvious when people sign up to be nurses and many aren’t cut out for it.",
">\n\nNot to mention how many serial killers hide as nurses. And some hospitals hide it or do little action against them. I think its a bit better now a days but there was ones that are a horror show a couple years ago.",
">\n\n“Friend” of mine is studying medicine. He’s brilliant, highly intelligent, but a total asshole. Like the fact I’ve been friends with him for so many years is baffling. Anyway, all his scientific aptitude and genius aside he completely lacks empathy and is a textbook narcissist. I’ll never say it to him, but him becoming a doctor honestly scares the shit out of me.",
">\n\nMy wife is a physician. She spent the first few years as an attending putting EVERY OUNCE of her being into every patient. All 2000+ of them. And then came along… THE SNOWFLAKE. \n(Name is withheld because I don’t know it and HIPAA.) \nSnowflake demanded concierge care at Kaiser prices. Snowflake demanded that my wife stay on hour long calls with her during COVID year 1 while my wife said, repeatedly, “I need to go to get my kid from daycare…” Snowflake berated and insulted my wife repeatedly for not taking her paper cut seriously as a medical emergency. Snowflake got herself a restraining order from local hospitals because she assaulted a nurse for not listening to her constant demands for impossible terms. \nSnowflake burned my wife out in one year. My wife eventually pushed her off of her panel, but leading up to that point, my wife was giving this woman an hour or two EVERY WEEK just for her to complain endlessly about everything including her. This woman literally made my wife stay on the phone with her instead of getting the kids. This woman filed a complaint about my wife’s colleague for practicing evidence based medicine with her instead of giving her something she wanted because she refused to listen to the actual experts. This woman burned out two other physicians in that group because she was so impossible. \nEver since Snowflake, my wife is way more cautious around new patients. Because why would you ever let another person do that to you? \nBut let’s consider that my wife sees 10 patients a day in person and then another 10 phone/video and then has to go home and work another 2-3 hours every night while also answering the other 2000 patients emails every day. 365 days a year, essentially. So even the relatively less demanding patients cost her time. Now consider that the governments across the US have put the burden of getting opioids under control on physicians who never even prescribed them in the first place. And that’s 10s of minutes per patient (again, thousands of them) every time the patient wants refills. Sure, sounds easy, but consider that she has 100s of patients on opioids and she is LEGALLY required to get them to quit them. Or she could lose her license. Fun!\nSo yeah, is she a bit burned out post-COVID? Fuck yeah. But consider that she’s your friendly neighborhood internist who works, on average, 60-80 hours a week every week and just like you and your family has kids and other things she wants to do too. \nIt sucks, and I’m sorry for your situation, but I can assure you that every person I know who went into medicine did it for the love of the care. They burned out because the field chews you up and spits you out in years.",
">\n\nTry to think of it this way; how many jerks do you encounter in a day? People that have zero time for anything or anyone except for their own Main Character life? Now, how many people do you know that get friendlier and happier as they get more pain and more sicknesses in their life?\nYea, doctors get to deal with alllll those fucks. After a while, we all start to look like shittly programmed NPCs. An endless stream of “Mayo Clinic’s website says it could be a brain tumor…” and “I know you just said that surgery is the only answer, but my Aunt is into Essential Oils and she says….”",
">\n\nI have never had an issue with any medical personnel being rude or even unfriendly. I am 74 years old so in my life I have seen plenty of them. I've run into a few that were somewhat aloof but I can easily chalk that up to outside problems away from work or possibly in the job.",
">\n\nI know it’s anecdotal but every nurse I personally know is a horrid person and will tell you they only do it for salary. Which I get but medicine shouldn’t be about making money",
">\n\nA lot of high performing medical professionals got to where they are by excelling in the sciences. As such, many of them spent (spend) little to no time working on their interpersonal skills.\nAs for me, I don’t care if any of the members of my health care team lack empathy or compassion. My one and only concern is that they are highly competent in their field. My oncology surgeon has the personality of a badger, but he’s extremely well respected for his prowess in the operating room and that’s all that really matters. My phlebotomist could have the personality of a dead fish as long she gets it in one stick and doesn’t hemolyze the sample. \nWhenever I’m dealing with a professional, I expect laser focus on excellence. When I want empathy or compassion I look elsewhere.",
">\n\nFair point, I guess I’m a sensitive and anxious soul so I do always appreciate the gentle kind touch",
">\n\nOne of the worst and craziest landlords I’ve ever had was a surgeon. She almost destroyed my life even though I’m the perfect tenant with an immaculate renting history. Not a day goes by that I don’t seriously worry about the patients under her care.",
">\n\nMany are, or should be, severely embittered against the public for the nightmare that was inflicted upon them during the pandemic. While they toiled interminable hours, observed death and daily horror, and died disproportionately at their posts, they asked one thing from us: follow CDC guidelines about not spreading the virus at such an alarming rate. Instead, the public whined about not going to bars, chafed against masks, and confabulated ridiculous conspiracy theories.\nMedical professionals were treated as fools and as lower than beast of burden by much of the public. I do not expect them to wave and smile back now that things are returning to normal.",
">\n\nI've worked in a pharmacy and had to deal with medical personnel with regards to clarification in prescribing, substitution of similar medications or altering dosages, prior authorizations, and conflicts in cross medications, tons of reasons, and I will say that in the six-ish years that I had to do that, I have no recollection of ever once interacting with what I'd call a decent human being. I think the nurses and doctors at addiction clinics are probably the worst, but I recall nothing but an entitled sense of vitriol from each and every medical professional I had to interact with, unrequested gossip that had nothing to with treatment, disdain for patients for the most insignificant of reasons, comments on patients appearance or hygiene, or just plain making fun of them. It was absolutely infuriating, and every time I hear the phrase \"nurses are heroes,\" I think about Homelander.",
">\n\nOBGYNs would be a prime example of this, obstetric violence is on the rise (some say 1/4 of women have experienced obstetric violence) and many OBGYNs only care about control, money and their schedule and not their patients and their children.",
">\n\nA doctor told me he wouldn’t look into me having adhd or autism because anxiety and depression were easier to treat. I had a doctor who was only concerned about my weight but didn’t give a shit about what was actually causing me to be overweight. She put me into a weight loss program instead of trying to figure out what was actually wrong. Also broke privilege, that said it wasn’t a medical thing but still shouldn’t have said it.\nOf three doctors I’ve had, the majority have been horrible.",
">\n\nI am not a doctor but I have been working directly with doctors, NPs and PAs for almost 25 years. I can tell you there are those that don't care but so many do. A lot of those that don't care are usually jaded because of the absolute shit they have to deal with. The patients that never follow what they are told to fix something and just call and complain that they're not healed, patients that think there's a magic pill to cure whatever is wrong with them. Then there are the people in charge of the facility's operations and how they require certain steps or time frames for things to be done when those people aren't doctors and have only ever been administrators. There's so much bullshit doctor's have to put up with. \nShit, we still, 3 years into COVID and people still want to come in to the clinic where I work without masks and yell at the people asking them to put a mask on. Patients STILL try to act like \"oh, I don't have COVID. It's just allergies\" and they think antibiotics will cure COVID, a cold and a flu. It's fucking ridiculous.",
">\n\nIt's funny that one argument I hear against socialized medicine is that no one would do it for a lower salary, but instead we have jerks who do it only for a high salary and don't care about patients.",
">\n\nI went to a college with a big nursing program, and man some of them were straight up evil. I mean just stuff that made me TERRIFIED they would be in a place where ethics was necessary. \nI had an acquaintance that was a nurse and man some of her posts during COVID made me want to report her. \nBut I do ascribe to the \"1/3 of the world is insane\" principle, and yeah you run into these people all over the place, but still it's kinda spooky because when you're in the hospital or something you are at their absolute MERCY and it makes me kind of nervous I'll get somebody awful if something happens to me.",
">\n\nWhy I stay as far away from health”care” as possible",
">\n\nso what? it's not a requirement",
">\n\nIf you are a care provider then it is required. It's in the name of the job.",
">\n\nOh yea let me just fuck up the entire operation because I don’t care about the patient",
">\n\nWhen you are constantly understaffed and patients assault you, yell at you, are demanding, rude, it takes it's toll. I'm not saying healthcare staff have a right to take it out on you but as someone who works in healthcare I can say just because someone isn't super friendly doesn't mean they are not taking care of you or not doing their best to make your stay nice. \nA lot of people think they know better than the doctor or nurse and get mad when the nurse or doctor doesn't immediately do what you want or say. When you have asked for the same thing 15 times but we can't give it to you for a medical reason we're not being mean, we're doing our job.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nThis has been my experience too. And I used to work in medical research and those people aren’t any better - probably worse I’d say. But doctors and nurses being straight up mean for no reason seems to just be getting worse. \nI won’t go to the doctor anymore unless I absolutely have to. And sometimes not even then. I broke my nose and got a concussion a couple weeks ago and you couldn’t have paid me enough to go to a doctor for that, I can fix that myself good enough to not bother with the experience of dealing with them.",
">\n\nDon’t agree!! Every profession has its share of unprofessionals!!",
">\n\nNurses aide here! I agree to an extent. After limping for three weeks due to being beat up by a patient who was not confused, I’m sorry I cannot just be sunshine and rainbows. But as I’ve heard alotnof people in the healthcare profession say, if you don’t like the care, take ‘em home! My favourite is : “ this is a hospital, not a a hotel!” And I actually love my job. There are good days and bad days and unfortunately, we see everyone on their worst days. Treat people how you want to be treated. I’ve said it a million times. One patient even made fun of how I write my name lol they are choosing to be trouble. It’s not all on the staff.",
">\n\nI could guess it's because they work in an environment dealing with people and dealing with people especially sick or in pain is draining but that's just my two cents",
">\n\nLast year. Covid restrictions were high. Masks. Social distance. All of that. My mom was in a head on collision. She was ok, but we didn’t know that. She was taken to the nearest hospital via ambulance and left in the hallway by a nurse’s station for 6 hours. She was uncomfortable and laying on a stretcher with a neck brace. No doctor or nurse came to talk to her. \nWe were in the waiting room. Begging for one of us to go back there to be with her. We would ask if she was alive, able to communicate, or the simplest of updates. They said they couldn’t tell us until a doctor saw her. Very coldly. My dad just stood there watching the doors. Didn’t sit down. I have never seen him so angry. \nFinally they got her a room. Then allowed 2 visitors at a time. On the way there I was expecting to see packed rooms and frantic, tired looking nurses who were overworked. Nope. So many empty rooms. 8 or so nurses standing around a station. No sense or urgency. No doctor ever did check her. So all of the that for nothing. I can honestly say I’ve never had a positive or warm experience in a hospital.",
">\n\nUsually, when you aren't a massive prick they are nice. So maybe that's on you",
">\n\nMost doctors are smart. Thats about it. Being smart =/= social skills",
">\n\nThe way I see it is that I'm paying for their smart brains not their people skills.",
">\n\n*a lot of the medical profession isn't",
">\n\nAll facts",
">\n\nWhat is ME?",
">\n\nDiagnostic Imaging Tech here. There's some truth to this but there's good reason for some of it as well.\nToday alone, I've been puked on, yelled at by a radiologist for following protocol, told off by a patient cause they didn't have their prep work done and a half dozen difficult exams on top of my normal workload. \nAnd this shit happens regularly. It gets to you after a while. We don't want to give off a bad impression to patients but we're only human.",
">\n\nYep, they’re human and they do it for the money. Not many of them actually have a heart for what they do. But the ones who do are absolute gems.",
">\n\nI'm sure this is just a personal experience, but I kind of feel like the bigger the asshole doctor the better they are as a doctor. Most of the best doctors I've ever had have been kind of assholes",
">\n\nHonestly, I've had the opposite experience. The worst doctors I've had (I have chronic conditions so I've seen many) have been the meanest. They talk down to people, don't listen to symptoms, and claim that things are all in patient's heads. The nicest ones that I've had are the ones that have been able to actually run tests, diagnose me, and help me with ways of managing or curing problems",
">\n\nI don't entirely disagree. All the good ones seem to burn out. The ones that stay harden, are expert at unit politics, and fly under management's radar.",
">\n\nYou have to consider that in order to work in the medical profession you probably need to have somewhat low empathy. People who are very empathic and caring probably couldn't do this job, because they couldn't stop thinking about all the stuff they see at work. You'd see a parent slowly being killed by cancer and their children and partner crying often when they visit, or a patient who was severely injured in some tragic accident dying, and you have to tell that to their family, or a man who had a stroke which made him disabled. \nI hope you get my point, I think people who are high in empathy just couldn't work in a hospital or in the ambulance. They would most likely just get really depressed after a while, it would break them. You need to be able to not let this stuff get to you, and for that you have to be low in empathy, or the big 5 trait agreeableness. Surgents need to be especially low in empathy, because you just can't cut people open if you're a very empathic person. And even though medical professionals are probably low in empathy, there are still some things they experience that even affects them. Being a medical professional is a very emotionally demanding job.",
">\n\nA lot of any profession aren’t very nice people. It’s not a medical thing.",
">\n\nThis is sadly very true. My experience was also not great most of the time. I always find these physician in a hurry to see as many patients as they can. I am not against them making money but I'd expect them to give proper response regarding diet and we'll being. All I get is ... \"Eat everything except deep fried stuff\" .... Bitch please.",
">\n\nMmm...\"don't really care\" is a bit of a stretch. These people obviously cared enough at some point to go through all the school / debt to start taking care of people. \nI think a couple reasons for the \"aren't very nice\" aspect...\n-Our current medical model selects for people who are very good at sciences (biology, organic chemistry, physics, etc) who get high scores on tests. I think it would benefit us to start looking at people with a more liberal arts background / people with work experience. \n-Speaking from the physician side, it is very hard to be nice / appear really caring when you've been up 28 hours every couple of days for years at a time. It can take a lot out of you. \n-People who are naturally malignant/mean get a pass in the medical environment and some people who are naturally mean spirited thrive here. All you have to do is position what you're doing in the name of \"patient safety\" and you get away with it. (A nurse yelling at other nurses, nurses yelling at residents, attendings yelling at residents, residents yelling/belittling medical students). \n-Cultures of abuse self propagate. It happened to me and made me better, so now I'm going to do it to you.",
">\n\nThe biggest assholes are those in healthcare, for sure.",
">\n\nThe majority of them are only there for the money.\nPatient wellbeing or ethics? That kind of stuff only comes at their convenience/sudden whim",
">\n\nI deal with a lot of doctors through the social circles I run around in, and 90% of doctors I run into are arrogant assholes who believe they are better than everyone.",
">\n\nDoctors here in westcoast 🇨🇦 are downright prudes sitting on thrones \nNurses are saints, paramedics deserve all the gold\nSpecialists reluctant, sometimes lazy, but generally alright and vital\nCounsellors/Psyche workers either wonderful , aloof or complete narcicist c**** \nI just want to emphasize again: Nurses and Paramedical are living, breathing saints and do NOT get the pay, the resources, or the love they deserve.\nIf you're a Nurse or Paramedic reading this: It's because of people like you that I'm alive and here today, so thank you 💐",
">\n\nSomeone I used to know who worked as a nurse told me they are paid to give care, not to care. Big difference.",
">\n\nI am a med student and you are unfortunately right. We receive such horrible treatment from profs and other interns that we lose empathy I guess",
">\n\nMy vet told me when I couldn't afford 10 days of insulin at $200, and the $60 4lb diabetic food that I didn't love my cat and I should consider putting her to sleep. Needless to say I switched vets and did a low carb diet change her blood counts have been fine since.\nI haven't exactly had horrible experiences at a Dr's.",
">\n\nI swear to god ive seen this exact same post somewhere, like word for word",
">\n\nI literally wrote it out myself word for word ?",
">\n\nthen maybe im just braindead",
">\n\nMy experience doesn't support this, but believe someone else could end up encountering rude, uncaring medical professionals a lot. Not justifying or excusing bad behavior,but some are probably experiencing burnout.",
">\n\nI’ve had similar experiences. However I don’t think it’s fair to say “a lot” when you have never encountered the majority of healthcare professionals",
">\n\nI think people aren't very nice people. The world is full of a bunch of selfish people pretending to be kind so they won't be judged by all the other selfish people pretending to be kind."
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Genetic success is the first path, then rich and then financial | [
"Considering most successfull people inherited their \"success\" before being able to prove any kind of ability, genes are just not the main factor."
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Except that the adopted child of filthy rich parents are still filthy rich themselves. You can have no genes in commons and still inherit success. | [
"Considering most successfull people inherited their \"success\" before being able to prove any kind of ability, genes are just not the main factor.",
">\n\nGenetic success is the first path, then rich and then financial"
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I am not talking about rich Brats or inherited. I am speaking of people who were rich with predisposition towards greatness and did something good.
Billy boy gates, suckerbberg ,Bezos. | [
"Considering most successfull people inherited their \"success\" before being able to prove any kind of ability, genes are just not the main factor.",
">\n\nGenetic success is the first path, then rich and then financial",
">\n\nExcept that the adopted child of filthy rich parents are still filthy rich themselves. You can have no genes in commons and still inherit success."
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But they're still successfull, no matter how you turn it. And most rich people have inherited their wealth.
Genes just aren't the primary factor of success. | [
"Considering most successfull people inherited their \"success\" before being able to prove any kind of ability, genes are just not the main factor.",
">\n\nGenetic success is the first path, then rich and then financial",
">\n\nExcept that the adopted child of filthy rich parents are still filthy rich themselves. You can have no genes in commons and still inherit success.",
">\n\nI am not talking about rich Brats or inherited. I am speaking of people who were rich with predisposition towards greatness and did something good.\nBilly boy gates, suckerbberg ,Bezos."
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Your failures are yours. Don't blame your parents for your own shortcomings. Because if you do that, they can blame your grandparents. Who blame their parents and so on all the way to the genetic eve and adam. | [
"Considering most successfull people inherited their \"success\" before being able to prove any kind of ability, genes are just not the main factor.",
">\n\nGenetic success is the first path, then rich and then financial",
">\n\nExcept that the adopted child of filthy rich parents are still filthy rich themselves. You can have no genes in commons and still inherit success.",
">\n\nI am not talking about rich Brats or inherited. I am speaking of people who were rich with predisposition towards greatness and did something good.\nBilly boy gates, suckerbberg ,Bezos.",
">\n\nBut they're still successfull, no matter how you turn it. And most rich people have inherited their wealth.\nGenes just aren't the primary factor of success."
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People breed within their leagues. Peasant breed with peasants and their kids replace them as peasants.
Family lines are cursed.
Success breeds success.
Life's all about genetics. Those who say it is not are high IQ people or pseudo motivational speakers.
Take IQ from Einstein he's nothing but a normal layman. | [
"Considering most successfull people inherited their \"success\" before being able to prove any kind of ability, genes are just not the main factor.",
">\n\nGenetic success is the first path, then rich and then financial",
">\n\nExcept that the adopted child of filthy rich parents are still filthy rich themselves. You can have no genes in commons and still inherit success.",
">\n\nI am not talking about rich Brats or inherited. I am speaking of people who were rich with predisposition towards greatness and did something good.\nBilly boy gates, suckerbberg ,Bezos.",
">\n\nBut they're still successfull, no matter how you turn it. And most rich people have inherited their wealth.\nGenes just aren't the primary factor of success.",
">\n\nYour failures are yours. Don't blame your parents for your own shortcomings. Because if you do that, they can blame your grandparents. Who blame their parents and so on all the way to the genetic eve and adam."
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If that were true, then we should have genetic breeds in humans just like dog breeds. But that's just not true. At worst you are eugenicist and at least you are a failure looking for someone else to blame than yourself.
Thrown to isolated island it doesn't matter who your parents are. Rich people are not rich because they have better genes. They are rich because their parents were rich. | [
"Considering most successfull people inherited their \"success\" before being able to prove any kind of ability, genes are just not the main factor.",
">\n\nGenetic success is the first path, then rich and then financial",
">\n\nExcept that the adopted child of filthy rich parents are still filthy rich themselves. You can have no genes in commons and still inherit success.",
">\n\nI am not talking about rich Brats or inherited. I am speaking of people who were rich with predisposition towards greatness and did something good.\nBilly boy gates, suckerbberg ,Bezos.",
">\n\nBut they're still successfull, no matter how you turn it. And most rich people have inherited their wealth.\nGenes just aren't the primary factor of success.",
">\n\nYour failures are yours. Don't blame your parents for your own shortcomings. Because if you do that, they can blame your grandparents. Who blame their parents and so on all the way to the genetic eve and adam.",
">\n\nPeople breed within their leagues. Peasant breed with peasants and their kids replace them as peasants. \nFamily lines are cursed. \nSuccess breeds success.\nLife's all about genetics. Those who say it is not are high IQ people or pseudo motivational speakers.\nTake IQ from Einstein he's nothing but a normal layman."
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Why they have high IQ? Why they score high?
Why a poor IQ guy can't crack SAT 1500? | [
"Considering most successfull people inherited their \"success\" before being able to prove any kind of ability, genes are just not the main factor.",
">\n\nGenetic success is the first path, then rich and then financial",
">\n\nExcept that the adopted child of filthy rich parents are still filthy rich themselves. You can have no genes in commons and still inherit success.",
">\n\nI am not talking about rich Brats or inherited. I am speaking of people who were rich with predisposition towards greatness and did something good.\nBilly boy gates, suckerbberg ,Bezos.",
">\n\nBut they're still successfull, no matter how you turn it. And most rich people have inherited their wealth.\nGenes just aren't the primary factor of success.",
">\n\nYour failures are yours. Don't blame your parents for your own shortcomings. Because if you do that, they can blame your grandparents. Who blame their parents and so on all the way to the genetic eve and adam.",
">\n\nPeople breed within their leagues. Peasant breed with peasants and their kids replace them as peasants. \nFamily lines are cursed. \nSuccess breeds success.\nLife's all about genetics. Those who say it is not are high IQ people or pseudo motivational speakers.\nTake IQ from Einstein he's nothing but a normal layman.",
">\n\nIf that were true, then we should have genetic breeds in humans just like dog breeds. But that's just not true. At worst you are eugenicist and at least you are a failure looking for someone else to blame than yourself.\nThrown to isolated island it doesn't matter who your parents are. Rich people are not rich because they have better genes. They are rich because their parents were rich."
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Because IQ tests things you learn in school. If you can afford to go to good schools you get better test results.
But if you look at world richests people there is not a single scientists or person with high IQ there.
Or you can look at last years nobel price winners and look where they were born. Half of them were born to low/middle income families. | [
"Considering most successfull people inherited their \"success\" before being able to prove any kind of ability, genes are just not the main factor.",
">\n\nGenetic success is the first path, then rich and then financial",
">\n\nExcept that the adopted child of filthy rich parents are still filthy rich themselves. You can have no genes in commons and still inherit success.",
">\n\nI am not talking about rich Brats or inherited. I am speaking of people who were rich with predisposition towards greatness and did something good.\nBilly boy gates, suckerbberg ,Bezos.",
">\n\nBut they're still successfull, no matter how you turn it. And most rich people have inherited their wealth.\nGenes just aren't the primary factor of success.",
">\n\nYour failures are yours. Don't blame your parents for your own shortcomings. Because if you do that, they can blame your grandparents. Who blame their parents and so on all the way to the genetic eve and adam.",
">\n\nPeople breed within their leagues. Peasant breed with peasants and their kids replace them as peasants. \nFamily lines are cursed. \nSuccess breeds success.\nLife's all about genetics. Those who say it is not are high IQ people or pseudo motivational speakers.\nTake IQ from Einstein he's nothing but a normal layman.",
">\n\nIf that were true, then we should have genetic breeds in humans just like dog breeds. But that's just not true. At worst you are eugenicist and at least you are a failure looking for someone else to blame than yourself.\nThrown to isolated island it doesn't matter who your parents are. Rich people are not rich because they have better genes. They are rich because their parents were rich.",
">\n\nWhy they have high IQ? Why they score high?\nWhy a poor IQ guy can't crack SAT 1500?"
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The OP mentioned in a response to me that they consider 120 a high IQ, which is only slightly above average realistically | [
"Considering most successfull people inherited their \"success\" before being able to prove any kind of ability, genes are just not the main factor.",
">\n\nGenetic success is the first path, then rich and then financial",
">\n\nExcept that the adopted child of filthy rich parents are still filthy rich themselves. You can have no genes in commons and still inherit success.",
">\n\nI am not talking about rich Brats or inherited. I am speaking of people who were rich with predisposition towards greatness and did something good.\nBilly boy gates, suckerbberg ,Bezos.",
">\n\nBut they're still successfull, no matter how you turn it. And most rich people have inherited their wealth.\nGenes just aren't the primary factor of success.",
">\n\nYour failures are yours. Don't blame your parents for your own shortcomings. Because if you do that, they can blame your grandparents. Who blame their parents and so on all the way to the genetic eve and adam.",
">\n\nPeople breed within their leagues. Peasant breed with peasants and their kids replace them as peasants. \nFamily lines are cursed. \nSuccess breeds success.\nLife's all about genetics. Those who say it is not are high IQ people or pseudo motivational speakers.\nTake IQ from Einstein he's nothing but a normal layman.",
">\n\nIf that were true, then we should have genetic breeds in humans just like dog breeds. But that's just not true. At worst you are eugenicist and at least you are a failure looking for someone else to blame than yourself.\nThrown to isolated island it doesn't matter who your parents are. Rich people are not rich because they have better genes. They are rich because their parents were rich.",
">\n\nWhy they have high IQ? Why they score high?\nWhy a poor IQ guy can't crack SAT 1500?",
">\n\nBecause IQ tests things you learn in school. If you can afford to go to good schools you get better test results.\nBut if you look at world richests people there is not a single scientists or person with high IQ there.\nOr you can look at last years nobel price winners and look where they were born. Half of them were born to low/middle income families."
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Even though genetics, physical appearance, and the wealth and connections of one parents are important. It’s not the most important.
First this does feel like a slightly loaded take, due to the term success, having meaning with different perspectives.
I’d argue that no matter your financial or genetic upbringing. Caretakers who can provide healthy emotional stability will in turn develop children to higher functioning and independent adults in the future.
I will concede that if your definition of success is to become a multi-millionaire or billionaire, it is infinitely harder to achieve that when you’re financially behind.
However, even when economically disadvantaged, or poor. You can create an emotionally healthy, with healthy habit children. That part is free.
Emotionally healthy children will make healthy choices into adulthood which will increase the likelihood of economical success.
Children with emotionally healthy backgrounds tend to receive higher education, have better relationships with money. And tend to be able to cultivate strong relationships with others. | [
"Considering most successfull people inherited their \"success\" before being able to prove any kind of ability, genes are just not the main factor.",
">\n\nGenetic success is the first path, then rich and then financial",
">\n\nExcept that the adopted child of filthy rich parents are still filthy rich themselves. You can have no genes in commons and still inherit success.",
">\n\nI am not talking about rich Brats or inherited. I am speaking of people who were rich with predisposition towards greatness and did something good.\nBilly boy gates, suckerbberg ,Bezos.",
">\n\nBut they're still successfull, no matter how you turn it. And most rich people have inherited their wealth.\nGenes just aren't the primary factor of success.",
">\n\nYour failures are yours. Don't blame your parents for your own shortcomings. Because if you do that, they can blame your grandparents. Who blame their parents and so on all the way to the genetic eve and adam.",
">\n\nPeople breed within their leagues. Peasant breed with peasants and their kids replace them as peasants. \nFamily lines are cursed. \nSuccess breeds success.\nLife's all about genetics. Those who say it is not are high IQ people or pseudo motivational speakers.\nTake IQ from Einstein he's nothing but a normal layman.",
">\n\nIf that were true, then we should have genetic breeds in humans just like dog breeds. But that's just not true. At worst you are eugenicist and at least you are a failure looking for someone else to blame than yourself.\nThrown to isolated island it doesn't matter who your parents are. Rich people are not rich because they have better genes. They are rich because their parents were rich.",
">\n\nWhy they have high IQ? Why they score high?\nWhy a poor IQ guy can't crack SAT 1500?",
">\n\nBecause IQ tests things you learn in school. If you can afford to go to good schools you get better test results.\nBut if you look at world richests people there is not a single scientists or person with high IQ there.\nOr you can look at last years nobel price winners and look where they were born. Half of them were born to low/middle income families.",
">\n\nThe OP mentioned in a response to me that they consider 120 a high IQ, which is only slightly above average realistically"
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By this, there would never be any self-made millionaires or billionaires, etc... When clearly that is false. Also you can have high IQ parents and still be brought up in poverty. High IQ does equate to success either | [
"Considering most successfull people inherited their \"success\" before being able to prove any kind of ability, genes are just not the main factor.",
">\n\nGenetic success is the first path, then rich and then financial",
">\n\nExcept that the adopted child of filthy rich parents are still filthy rich themselves. You can have no genes in commons and still inherit success.",
">\n\nI am not talking about rich Brats or inherited. I am speaking of people who were rich with predisposition towards greatness and did something good.\nBilly boy gates, suckerbberg ,Bezos.",
">\n\nBut they're still successfull, no matter how you turn it. And most rich people have inherited their wealth.\nGenes just aren't the primary factor of success.",
">\n\nYour failures are yours. Don't blame your parents for your own shortcomings. Because if you do that, they can blame your grandparents. Who blame their parents and so on all the way to the genetic eve and adam.",
">\n\nPeople breed within their leagues. Peasant breed with peasants and their kids replace them as peasants. \nFamily lines are cursed. \nSuccess breeds success.\nLife's all about genetics. Those who say it is not are high IQ people or pseudo motivational speakers.\nTake IQ from Einstein he's nothing but a normal layman.",
">\n\nIf that were true, then we should have genetic breeds in humans just like dog breeds. But that's just not true. At worst you are eugenicist and at least you are a failure looking for someone else to blame than yourself.\nThrown to isolated island it doesn't matter who your parents are. Rich people are not rich because they have better genes. They are rich because their parents were rich.",
">\n\nWhy they have high IQ? Why they score high?\nWhy a poor IQ guy can't crack SAT 1500?",
">\n\nBecause IQ tests things you learn in school. If you can afford to go to good schools you get better test results.\nBut if you look at world richests people there is not a single scientists or person with high IQ there.\nOr you can look at last years nobel price winners and look where they were born. Half of them were born to low/middle income families.",
">\n\nThe OP mentioned in a response to me that they consider 120 a high IQ, which is only slightly above average realistically",
">\n\nEven though genetics, physical appearance, and the wealth and connections of one parents are important. It’s not the most important.\nFirst this does feel like a slightly loaded take, due to the term success, having meaning with different perspectives.\nI’d argue that no matter your financial or genetic upbringing. Caretakers who can provide healthy emotional stability will in turn develop children to higher functioning and independent adults in the future. \nI will concede that if your definition of success is to become a multi-millionaire or billionaire, it is infinitely harder to achieve that when you’re financially behind.\nHowever, even when economically disadvantaged, or poor. You can create an emotionally healthy, with healthy habit children. That part is free. \nEmotionally healthy children will make healthy choices into adulthood which will increase the likelihood of economical success. \nChildren with emotionally healthy backgrounds tend to receive higher education, have better relationships with money. And tend to be able to cultivate strong relationships with others."
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There's no self made billionaire. Even if some rich Godfather decided to invest in you, you're an anamoly. 1 in billion who has high IQ and despite being poor.
Starbucks founder was a poor guy with high IQ. | [
"Considering most successfull people inherited their \"success\" before being able to prove any kind of ability, genes are just not the main factor.",
">\n\nGenetic success is the first path, then rich and then financial",
">\n\nExcept that the adopted child of filthy rich parents are still filthy rich themselves. You can have no genes in commons and still inherit success.",
">\n\nI am not talking about rich Brats or inherited. I am speaking of people who were rich with predisposition towards greatness and did something good.\nBilly boy gates, suckerbberg ,Bezos.",
">\n\nBut they're still successfull, no matter how you turn it. And most rich people have inherited their wealth.\nGenes just aren't the primary factor of success.",
">\n\nYour failures are yours. Don't blame your parents for your own shortcomings. Because if you do that, they can blame your grandparents. Who blame their parents and so on all the way to the genetic eve and adam.",
">\n\nPeople breed within their leagues. Peasant breed with peasants and their kids replace them as peasants. \nFamily lines are cursed. \nSuccess breeds success.\nLife's all about genetics. Those who say it is not are high IQ people or pseudo motivational speakers.\nTake IQ from Einstein he's nothing but a normal layman.",
">\n\nIf that were true, then we should have genetic breeds in humans just like dog breeds. But that's just not true. At worst you are eugenicist and at least you are a failure looking for someone else to blame than yourself.\nThrown to isolated island it doesn't matter who your parents are. Rich people are not rich because they have better genes. They are rich because their parents were rich.",
">\n\nWhy they have high IQ? Why they score high?\nWhy a poor IQ guy can't crack SAT 1500?",
">\n\nBecause IQ tests things you learn in school. If you can afford to go to good schools you get better test results.\nBut if you look at world richests people there is not a single scientists or person with high IQ there.\nOr you can look at last years nobel price winners and look where they were born. Half of them were born to low/middle income families.",
">\n\nThe OP mentioned in a response to me that they consider 120 a high IQ, which is only slightly above average realistically",
">\n\nEven though genetics, physical appearance, and the wealth and connections of one parents are important. It’s not the most important.\nFirst this does feel like a slightly loaded take, due to the term success, having meaning with different perspectives.\nI’d argue that no matter your financial or genetic upbringing. Caretakers who can provide healthy emotional stability will in turn develop children to higher functioning and independent adults in the future. \nI will concede that if your definition of success is to become a multi-millionaire or billionaire, it is infinitely harder to achieve that when you’re financially behind.\nHowever, even when economically disadvantaged, or poor. You can create an emotionally healthy, with healthy habit children. That part is free. \nEmotionally healthy children will make healthy choices into adulthood which will increase the likelihood of economical success. \nChildren with emotionally healthy backgrounds tend to receive higher education, have better relationships with money. And tend to be able to cultivate strong relationships with others.",
">\n\nBy this, there would never be any self-made millionaires or billionaires, etc... When clearly that is false. Also you can have high IQ parents and still be brought up in poverty. High IQ does equate to success either"
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Any research to back this up?
There are less than 3500 billionaires, and you are saying every one of them have a rich family member who made them a billionaire? | [
"Considering most successfull people inherited their \"success\" before being able to prove any kind of ability, genes are just not the main factor.",
">\n\nGenetic success is the first path, then rich and then financial",
">\n\nExcept that the adopted child of filthy rich parents are still filthy rich themselves. You can have no genes in commons and still inherit success.",
">\n\nI am not talking about rich Brats or inherited. I am speaking of people who were rich with predisposition towards greatness and did something good.\nBilly boy gates, suckerbberg ,Bezos.",
">\n\nBut they're still successfull, no matter how you turn it. And most rich people have inherited their wealth.\nGenes just aren't the primary factor of success.",
">\n\nYour failures are yours. Don't blame your parents for your own shortcomings. Because if you do that, they can blame your grandparents. Who blame their parents and so on all the way to the genetic eve and adam.",
">\n\nPeople breed within their leagues. Peasant breed with peasants and their kids replace them as peasants. \nFamily lines are cursed. \nSuccess breeds success.\nLife's all about genetics. Those who say it is not are high IQ people or pseudo motivational speakers.\nTake IQ from Einstein he's nothing but a normal layman.",
">\n\nIf that were true, then we should have genetic breeds in humans just like dog breeds. But that's just not true. At worst you are eugenicist and at least you are a failure looking for someone else to blame than yourself.\nThrown to isolated island it doesn't matter who your parents are. Rich people are not rich because they have better genes. They are rich because their parents were rich.",
">\n\nWhy they have high IQ? Why they score high?\nWhy a poor IQ guy can't crack SAT 1500?",
">\n\nBecause IQ tests things you learn in school. If you can afford to go to good schools you get better test results.\nBut if you look at world richests people there is not a single scientists or person with high IQ there.\nOr you can look at last years nobel price winners and look where they were born. Half of them were born to low/middle income families.",
">\n\nThe OP mentioned in a response to me that they consider 120 a high IQ, which is only slightly above average realistically",
">\n\nEven though genetics, physical appearance, and the wealth and connections of one parents are important. It’s not the most important.\nFirst this does feel like a slightly loaded take, due to the term success, having meaning with different perspectives.\nI’d argue that no matter your financial or genetic upbringing. Caretakers who can provide healthy emotional stability will in turn develop children to higher functioning and independent adults in the future. \nI will concede that if your definition of success is to become a multi-millionaire or billionaire, it is infinitely harder to achieve that when you’re financially behind.\nHowever, even when economically disadvantaged, or poor. You can create an emotionally healthy, with healthy habit children. That part is free. \nEmotionally healthy children will make healthy choices into adulthood which will increase the likelihood of economical success. \nChildren with emotionally healthy backgrounds tend to receive higher education, have better relationships with money. And tend to be able to cultivate strong relationships with others.",
">\n\nBy this, there would never be any self-made millionaires or billionaires, etc... When clearly that is false. Also you can have high IQ parents and still be brought up in poverty. High IQ does equate to success either",
">\n\nThere's no self made billionaire. Even if some rich Godfather decided to invest in you, you're an anamoly. 1 in billion who has high IQ and despite being poor.\nStarbucks founder was a poor guy with high IQ."
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I am saying they have iq above 120+ which makes them worthy | [
"Considering most successfull people inherited their \"success\" before being able to prove any kind of ability, genes are just not the main factor.",
">\n\nGenetic success is the first path, then rich and then financial",
">\n\nExcept that the adopted child of filthy rich parents are still filthy rich themselves. You can have no genes in commons and still inherit success.",
">\n\nI am not talking about rich Brats or inherited. I am speaking of people who were rich with predisposition towards greatness and did something good.\nBilly boy gates, suckerbberg ,Bezos.",
">\n\nBut they're still successfull, no matter how you turn it. And most rich people have inherited their wealth.\nGenes just aren't the primary factor of success.",
">\n\nYour failures are yours. Don't blame your parents for your own shortcomings. Because if you do that, they can blame your grandparents. Who blame their parents and so on all the way to the genetic eve and adam.",
">\n\nPeople breed within their leagues. Peasant breed with peasants and their kids replace them as peasants. \nFamily lines are cursed. \nSuccess breeds success.\nLife's all about genetics. Those who say it is not are high IQ people or pseudo motivational speakers.\nTake IQ from Einstein he's nothing but a normal layman.",
">\n\nIf that were true, then we should have genetic breeds in humans just like dog breeds. But that's just not true. At worst you are eugenicist and at least you are a failure looking for someone else to blame than yourself.\nThrown to isolated island it doesn't matter who your parents are. Rich people are not rich because they have better genes. They are rich because their parents were rich.",
">\n\nWhy they have high IQ? Why they score high?\nWhy a poor IQ guy can't crack SAT 1500?",
">\n\nBecause IQ tests things you learn in school. If you can afford to go to good schools you get better test results.\nBut if you look at world richests people there is not a single scientists or person with high IQ there.\nOr you can look at last years nobel price winners and look where they were born. Half of them were born to low/middle income families.",
">\n\nThe OP mentioned in a response to me that they consider 120 a high IQ, which is only slightly above average realistically",
">\n\nEven though genetics, physical appearance, and the wealth and connections of one parents are important. It’s not the most important.\nFirst this does feel like a slightly loaded take, due to the term success, having meaning with different perspectives.\nI’d argue that no matter your financial or genetic upbringing. Caretakers who can provide healthy emotional stability will in turn develop children to higher functioning and independent adults in the future. \nI will concede that if your definition of success is to become a multi-millionaire or billionaire, it is infinitely harder to achieve that when you’re financially behind.\nHowever, even when economically disadvantaged, or poor. You can create an emotionally healthy, with healthy habit children. That part is free. \nEmotionally healthy children will make healthy choices into adulthood which will increase the likelihood of economical success. \nChildren with emotionally healthy backgrounds tend to receive higher education, have better relationships with money. And tend to be able to cultivate strong relationships with others.",
">\n\nBy this, there would never be any self-made millionaires or billionaires, etc... When clearly that is false. Also you can have high IQ parents and still be brought up in poverty. High IQ does equate to success either",
">\n\nThere's no self made billionaire. Even if some rich Godfather decided to invest in you, you're an anamoly. 1 in billion who has high IQ and despite being poor.\nStarbucks founder was a poor guy with high IQ.",
">\n\nAny research to back this up?\nThere are less than 3500 billionaires, and you are saying every one of them have a rich family member who made them a billionaire?"
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Care to respond to the link I shared... | [
"Considering most successfull people inherited their \"success\" before being able to prove any kind of ability, genes are just not the main factor.",
">\n\nGenetic success is the first path, then rich and then financial",
">\n\nExcept that the adopted child of filthy rich parents are still filthy rich themselves. You can have no genes in commons and still inherit success.",
">\n\nI am not talking about rich Brats or inherited. I am speaking of people who were rich with predisposition towards greatness and did something good.\nBilly boy gates, suckerbberg ,Bezos.",
">\n\nBut they're still successfull, no matter how you turn it. And most rich people have inherited their wealth.\nGenes just aren't the primary factor of success.",
">\n\nYour failures are yours. Don't blame your parents for your own shortcomings. Because if you do that, they can blame your grandparents. Who blame their parents and so on all the way to the genetic eve and adam.",
">\n\nPeople breed within their leagues. Peasant breed with peasants and their kids replace them as peasants. \nFamily lines are cursed. \nSuccess breeds success.\nLife's all about genetics. Those who say it is not are high IQ people or pseudo motivational speakers.\nTake IQ from Einstein he's nothing but a normal layman.",
">\n\nIf that were true, then we should have genetic breeds in humans just like dog breeds. But that's just not true. At worst you are eugenicist and at least you are a failure looking for someone else to blame than yourself.\nThrown to isolated island it doesn't matter who your parents are. Rich people are not rich because they have better genes. They are rich because their parents were rich.",
">\n\nWhy they have high IQ? Why they score high?\nWhy a poor IQ guy can't crack SAT 1500?",
">\n\nBecause IQ tests things you learn in school. If you can afford to go to good schools you get better test results.\nBut if you look at world richests people there is not a single scientists or person with high IQ there.\nOr you can look at last years nobel price winners and look where they were born. Half of them were born to low/middle income families.",
">\n\nThe OP mentioned in a response to me that they consider 120 a high IQ, which is only slightly above average realistically",
">\n\nEven though genetics, physical appearance, and the wealth and connections of one parents are important. It’s not the most important.\nFirst this does feel like a slightly loaded take, due to the term success, having meaning with different perspectives.\nI’d argue that no matter your financial or genetic upbringing. Caretakers who can provide healthy emotional stability will in turn develop children to higher functioning and independent adults in the future. \nI will concede that if your definition of success is to become a multi-millionaire or billionaire, it is infinitely harder to achieve that when you’re financially behind.\nHowever, even when economically disadvantaged, or poor. You can create an emotionally healthy, with healthy habit children. That part is free. \nEmotionally healthy children will make healthy choices into adulthood which will increase the likelihood of economical success. \nChildren with emotionally healthy backgrounds tend to receive higher education, have better relationships with money. And tend to be able to cultivate strong relationships with others.",
">\n\nBy this, there would never be any self-made millionaires or billionaires, etc... When clearly that is false. Also you can have high IQ parents and still be brought up in poverty. High IQ does equate to success either",
">\n\nThere's no self made billionaire. Even if some rich Godfather decided to invest in you, you're an anamoly. 1 in billion who has high IQ and despite being poor.\nStarbucks founder was a poor guy with high IQ.",
">\n\nAny research to back this up?\nThere are less than 3500 billionaires, and you are saying every one of them have a rich family member who made them a billionaire?",
">\n\nI am saying they have iq above 120+ which makes them worthy"
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OP is using an alternative definition of "self made". If someone becomes a billionaire through intelligence and hard work, OP counts that as not self made. | [
"Considering most successfull people inherited their \"success\" before being able to prove any kind of ability, genes are just not the main factor.",
">\n\nGenetic success is the first path, then rich and then financial",
">\n\nExcept that the adopted child of filthy rich parents are still filthy rich themselves. You can have no genes in commons and still inherit success.",
">\n\nI am not talking about rich Brats or inherited. I am speaking of people who were rich with predisposition towards greatness and did something good.\nBilly boy gates, suckerbberg ,Bezos.",
">\n\nBut they're still successfull, no matter how you turn it. And most rich people have inherited their wealth.\nGenes just aren't the primary factor of success.",
">\n\nYour failures are yours. Don't blame your parents for your own shortcomings. Because if you do that, they can blame your grandparents. Who blame their parents and so on all the way to the genetic eve and adam.",
">\n\nPeople breed within their leagues. Peasant breed with peasants and their kids replace them as peasants. \nFamily lines are cursed. \nSuccess breeds success.\nLife's all about genetics. Those who say it is not are high IQ people or pseudo motivational speakers.\nTake IQ from Einstein he's nothing but a normal layman.",
">\n\nIf that were true, then we should have genetic breeds in humans just like dog breeds. But that's just not true. At worst you are eugenicist and at least you are a failure looking for someone else to blame than yourself.\nThrown to isolated island it doesn't matter who your parents are. Rich people are not rich because they have better genes. They are rich because their parents were rich.",
">\n\nWhy they have high IQ? Why they score high?\nWhy a poor IQ guy can't crack SAT 1500?",
">\n\nBecause IQ tests things you learn in school. If you can afford to go to good schools you get better test results.\nBut if you look at world richests people there is not a single scientists or person with high IQ there.\nOr you can look at last years nobel price winners and look where they were born. Half of them were born to low/middle income families.",
">\n\nThe OP mentioned in a response to me that they consider 120 a high IQ, which is only slightly above average realistically",
">\n\nEven though genetics, physical appearance, and the wealth and connections of one parents are important. It’s not the most important.\nFirst this does feel like a slightly loaded take, due to the term success, having meaning with different perspectives.\nI’d argue that no matter your financial or genetic upbringing. Caretakers who can provide healthy emotional stability will in turn develop children to higher functioning and independent adults in the future. \nI will concede that if your definition of success is to become a multi-millionaire or billionaire, it is infinitely harder to achieve that when you’re financially behind.\nHowever, even when economically disadvantaged, or poor. You can create an emotionally healthy, with healthy habit children. That part is free. \nEmotionally healthy children will make healthy choices into adulthood which will increase the likelihood of economical success. \nChildren with emotionally healthy backgrounds tend to receive higher education, have better relationships with money. And tend to be able to cultivate strong relationships with others.",
">\n\nBy this, there would never be any self-made millionaires or billionaires, etc... When clearly that is false. Also you can have high IQ parents and still be brought up in poverty. High IQ does equate to success either",
">\n\nThere's no self made billionaire. Even if some rich Godfather decided to invest in you, you're an anamoly. 1 in billion who has high IQ and despite being poor.\nStarbucks founder was a poor guy with high IQ.",
">\n\nAny research to back this up?\nThere are less than 3500 billionaires, and you are saying every one of them have a rich family member who made them a billionaire?",
">\n\nI am saying they have iq above 120+ which makes them worthy",
">\n\nCare to respond to the link I shared..."
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Yet that still goes against the whole premise of the view.. They said they stopped reading my link because it mentioned MIT | [
"Considering most successfull people inherited their \"success\" before being able to prove any kind of ability, genes are just not the main factor.",
">\n\nGenetic success is the first path, then rich and then financial",
">\n\nExcept that the adopted child of filthy rich parents are still filthy rich themselves. You can have no genes in commons and still inherit success.",
">\n\nI am not talking about rich Brats or inherited. I am speaking of people who were rich with predisposition towards greatness and did something good.\nBilly boy gates, suckerbberg ,Bezos.",
">\n\nBut they're still successfull, no matter how you turn it. And most rich people have inherited their wealth.\nGenes just aren't the primary factor of success.",
">\n\nYour failures are yours. Don't blame your parents for your own shortcomings. Because if you do that, they can blame your grandparents. Who blame their parents and so on all the way to the genetic eve and adam.",
">\n\nPeople breed within their leagues. Peasant breed with peasants and their kids replace them as peasants. \nFamily lines are cursed. \nSuccess breeds success.\nLife's all about genetics. Those who say it is not are high IQ people or pseudo motivational speakers.\nTake IQ from Einstein he's nothing but a normal layman.",
">\n\nIf that were true, then we should have genetic breeds in humans just like dog breeds. But that's just not true. At worst you are eugenicist and at least you are a failure looking for someone else to blame than yourself.\nThrown to isolated island it doesn't matter who your parents are. Rich people are not rich because they have better genes. They are rich because their parents were rich.",
">\n\nWhy they have high IQ? Why they score high?\nWhy a poor IQ guy can't crack SAT 1500?",
">\n\nBecause IQ tests things you learn in school. If you can afford to go to good schools you get better test results.\nBut if you look at world richests people there is not a single scientists or person with high IQ there.\nOr you can look at last years nobel price winners and look where they were born. Half of them were born to low/middle income families.",
">\n\nThe OP mentioned in a response to me that they consider 120 a high IQ, which is only slightly above average realistically",
">\n\nEven though genetics, physical appearance, and the wealth and connections of one parents are important. It’s not the most important.\nFirst this does feel like a slightly loaded take, due to the term success, having meaning with different perspectives.\nI’d argue that no matter your financial or genetic upbringing. Caretakers who can provide healthy emotional stability will in turn develop children to higher functioning and independent adults in the future. \nI will concede that if your definition of success is to become a multi-millionaire or billionaire, it is infinitely harder to achieve that when you’re financially behind.\nHowever, even when economically disadvantaged, or poor. You can create an emotionally healthy, with healthy habit children. That part is free. \nEmotionally healthy children will make healthy choices into adulthood which will increase the likelihood of economical success. \nChildren with emotionally healthy backgrounds tend to receive higher education, have better relationships with money. And tend to be able to cultivate strong relationships with others.",
">\n\nBy this, there would never be any self-made millionaires or billionaires, etc... When clearly that is false. Also you can have high IQ parents and still be brought up in poverty. High IQ does equate to success either",
">\n\nThere's no self made billionaire. Even if some rich Godfather decided to invest in you, you're an anamoly. 1 in billion who has high IQ and despite being poor.\nStarbucks founder was a poor guy with high IQ.",
">\n\nAny research to back this up?\nThere are less than 3500 billionaires, and you are saying every one of them have a rich family member who made them a billionaire?",
">\n\nI am saying they have iq above 120+ which makes them worthy",
">\n\nCare to respond to the link I shared...",
">\n\nOP is using an alternative definition of \"self made\". If someone becomes a billionaire through intelligence and hard work, OP counts that as not self made."
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OP is ignoring your point because you are talking about presumably smart people using intelligence and hard work to be successful. | [
"Considering most successfull people inherited their \"success\" before being able to prove any kind of ability, genes are just not the main factor.",
">\n\nGenetic success is the first path, then rich and then financial",
">\n\nExcept that the adopted child of filthy rich parents are still filthy rich themselves. You can have no genes in commons and still inherit success.",
">\n\nI am not talking about rich Brats or inherited. I am speaking of people who were rich with predisposition towards greatness and did something good.\nBilly boy gates, suckerbberg ,Bezos.",
">\n\nBut they're still successfull, no matter how you turn it. And most rich people have inherited their wealth.\nGenes just aren't the primary factor of success.",
">\n\nYour failures are yours. Don't blame your parents for your own shortcomings. Because if you do that, they can blame your grandparents. Who blame their parents and so on all the way to the genetic eve and adam.",
">\n\nPeople breed within their leagues. Peasant breed with peasants and their kids replace them as peasants. \nFamily lines are cursed. \nSuccess breeds success.\nLife's all about genetics. Those who say it is not are high IQ people or pseudo motivational speakers.\nTake IQ from Einstein he's nothing but a normal layman.",
">\n\nIf that were true, then we should have genetic breeds in humans just like dog breeds. But that's just not true. At worst you are eugenicist and at least you are a failure looking for someone else to blame than yourself.\nThrown to isolated island it doesn't matter who your parents are. Rich people are not rich because they have better genes. They are rich because their parents were rich.",
">\n\nWhy they have high IQ? Why they score high?\nWhy a poor IQ guy can't crack SAT 1500?",
">\n\nBecause IQ tests things you learn in school. If you can afford to go to good schools you get better test results.\nBut if you look at world richests people there is not a single scientists or person with high IQ there.\nOr you can look at last years nobel price winners and look where they were born. Half of them were born to low/middle income families.",
">\n\nThe OP mentioned in a response to me that they consider 120 a high IQ, which is only slightly above average realistically",
">\n\nEven though genetics, physical appearance, and the wealth and connections of one parents are important. It’s not the most important.\nFirst this does feel like a slightly loaded take, due to the term success, having meaning with different perspectives.\nI’d argue that no matter your financial or genetic upbringing. Caretakers who can provide healthy emotional stability will in turn develop children to higher functioning and independent adults in the future. \nI will concede that if your definition of success is to become a multi-millionaire or billionaire, it is infinitely harder to achieve that when you’re financially behind.\nHowever, even when economically disadvantaged, or poor. You can create an emotionally healthy, with healthy habit children. That part is free. \nEmotionally healthy children will make healthy choices into adulthood which will increase the likelihood of economical success. \nChildren with emotionally healthy backgrounds tend to receive higher education, have better relationships with money. And tend to be able to cultivate strong relationships with others.",
">\n\nBy this, there would never be any self-made millionaires or billionaires, etc... When clearly that is false. Also you can have high IQ parents and still be brought up in poverty. High IQ does equate to success either",
">\n\nThere's no self made billionaire. Even if some rich Godfather decided to invest in you, you're an anamoly. 1 in billion who has high IQ and despite being poor.\nStarbucks founder was a poor guy with high IQ.",
">\n\nAny research to back this up?\nThere are less than 3500 billionaires, and you are saying every one of them have a rich family member who made them a billionaire?",
">\n\nI am saying they have iq above 120+ which makes them worthy",
">\n\nCare to respond to the link I shared...",
">\n\nOP is using an alternative definition of \"self made\". If someone becomes a billionaire through intelligence and hard work, OP counts that as not self made.",
">\n\nYet that still goes against the whole premise of the view.. They said they stopped reading my link because it mentioned MIT"
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I know, and it disputes everything they said in their view as it's not anomalies when so many have started from average or below average up bringings | [
"Considering most successfull people inherited their \"success\" before being able to prove any kind of ability, genes are just not the main factor.",
">\n\nGenetic success is the first path, then rich and then financial",
">\n\nExcept that the adopted child of filthy rich parents are still filthy rich themselves. You can have no genes in commons and still inherit success.",
">\n\nI am not talking about rich Brats or inherited. I am speaking of people who were rich with predisposition towards greatness and did something good.\nBilly boy gates, suckerbberg ,Bezos.",
">\n\nBut they're still successfull, no matter how you turn it. And most rich people have inherited their wealth.\nGenes just aren't the primary factor of success.",
">\n\nYour failures are yours. Don't blame your parents for your own shortcomings. Because if you do that, they can blame your grandparents. Who blame their parents and so on all the way to the genetic eve and adam.",
">\n\nPeople breed within their leagues. Peasant breed with peasants and their kids replace them as peasants. \nFamily lines are cursed. \nSuccess breeds success.\nLife's all about genetics. Those who say it is not are high IQ people or pseudo motivational speakers.\nTake IQ from Einstein he's nothing but a normal layman.",
">\n\nIf that were true, then we should have genetic breeds in humans just like dog breeds. But that's just not true. At worst you are eugenicist and at least you are a failure looking for someone else to blame than yourself.\nThrown to isolated island it doesn't matter who your parents are. Rich people are not rich because they have better genes. They are rich because their parents were rich.",
">\n\nWhy they have high IQ? Why they score high?\nWhy a poor IQ guy can't crack SAT 1500?",
">\n\nBecause IQ tests things you learn in school. If you can afford to go to good schools you get better test results.\nBut if you look at world richests people there is not a single scientists or person with high IQ there.\nOr you can look at last years nobel price winners and look where they were born. Half of them were born to low/middle income families.",
">\n\nThe OP mentioned in a response to me that they consider 120 a high IQ, which is only slightly above average realistically",
">\n\nEven though genetics, physical appearance, and the wealth and connections of one parents are important. It’s not the most important.\nFirst this does feel like a slightly loaded take, due to the term success, having meaning with different perspectives.\nI’d argue that no matter your financial or genetic upbringing. Caretakers who can provide healthy emotional stability will in turn develop children to higher functioning and independent adults in the future. \nI will concede that if your definition of success is to become a multi-millionaire or billionaire, it is infinitely harder to achieve that when you’re financially behind.\nHowever, even when economically disadvantaged, or poor. You can create an emotionally healthy, with healthy habit children. That part is free. \nEmotionally healthy children will make healthy choices into adulthood which will increase the likelihood of economical success. \nChildren with emotionally healthy backgrounds tend to receive higher education, have better relationships with money. And tend to be able to cultivate strong relationships with others.",
">\n\nBy this, there would never be any self-made millionaires or billionaires, etc... When clearly that is false. Also you can have high IQ parents and still be brought up in poverty. High IQ does equate to success either",
">\n\nThere's no self made billionaire. Even if some rich Godfather decided to invest in you, you're an anamoly. 1 in billion who has high IQ and despite being poor.\nStarbucks founder was a poor guy with high IQ.",
">\n\nAny research to back this up?\nThere are less than 3500 billionaires, and you are saying every one of them have a rich family member who made them a billionaire?",
">\n\nI am saying they have iq above 120+ which makes them worthy",
">\n\nCare to respond to the link I shared...",
">\n\nOP is using an alternative definition of \"self made\". If someone becomes a billionaire through intelligence and hard work, OP counts that as not self made.",
">\n\nYet that still goes against the whole premise of the view.. They said they stopped reading my link because it mentioned MIT",
">\n\nOP is ignoring your point because you are talking about presumably smart people using intelligence and hard work to be successful."
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You are essentially right because in the comments OP claimed that people "People breed within their leagues" and implied that all smart people are successful, but OP's stated view does not mention anything about people who started from average or below average up bringings. OP's view is presumably that all those people were smart and therefore reenforce OP's view. | [
"Considering most successfull people inherited their \"success\" before being able to prove any kind of ability, genes are just not the main factor.",
">\n\nGenetic success is the first path, then rich and then financial",
">\n\nExcept that the adopted child of filthy rich parents are still filthy rich themselves. You can have no genes in commons and still inherit success.",
">\n\nI am not talking about rich Brats or inherited. I am speaking of people who were rich with predisposition towards greatness and did something good.\nBilly boy gates, suckerbberg ,Bezos.",
">\n\nBut they're still successfull, no matter how you turn it. And most rich people have inherited their wealth.\nGenes just aren't the primary factor of success.",
">\n\nYour failures are yours. Don't blame your parents for your own shortcomings. Because if you do that, they can blame your grandparents. Who blame their parents and so on all the way to the genetic eve and adam.",
">\n\nPeople breed within their leagues. Peasant breed with peasants and their kids replace them as peasants. \nFamily lines are cursed. \nSuccess breeds success.\nLife's all about genetics. Those who say it is not are high IQ people or pseudo motivational speakers.\nTake IQ from Einstein he's nothing but a normal layman.",
">\n\nIf that were true, then we should have genetic breeds in humans just like dog breeds. But that's just not true. At worst you are eugenicist and at least you are a failure looking for someone else to blame than yourself.\nThrown to isolated island it doesn't matter who your parents are. Rich people are not rich because they have better genes. They are rich because their parents were rich.",
">\n\nWhy they have high IQ? Why they score high?\nWhy a poor IQ guy can't crack SAT 1500?",
">\n\nBecause IQ tests things you learn in school. If you can afford to go to good schools you get better test results.\nBut if you look at world richests people there is not a single scientists or person with high IQ there.\nOr you can look at last years nobel price winners and look where they were born. Half of them were born to low/middle income families.",
">\n\nThe OP mentioned in a response to me that they consider 120 a high IQ, which is only slightly above average realistically",
">\n\nEven though genetics, physical appearance, and the wealth and connections of one parents are important. It’s not the most important.\nFirst this does feel like a slightly loaded take, due to the term success, having meaning with different perspectives.\nI’d argue that no matter your financial or genetic upbringing. Caretakers who can provide healthy emotional stability will in turn develop children to higher functioning and independent adults in the future. \nI will concede that if your definition of success is to become a multi-millionaire or billionaire, it is infinitely harder to achieve that when you’re financially behind.\nHowever, even when economically disadvantaged, or poor. You can create an emotionally healthy, with healthy habit children. That part is free. \nEmotionally healthy children will make healthy choices into adulthood which will increase the likelihood of economical success. \nChildren with emotionally healthy backgrounds tend to receive higher education, have better relationships with money. And tend to be able to cultivate strong relationships with others.",
">\n\nBy this, there would never be any self-made millionaires or billionaires, etc... When clearly that is false. Also you can have high IQ parents and still be brought up in poverty. High IQ does equate to success either",
">\n\nThere's no self made billionaire. Even if some rich Godfather decided to invest in you, you're an anamoly. 1 in billion who has high IQ and despite being poor.\nStarbucks founder was a poor guy with high IQ.",
">\n\nAny research to back this up?\nThere are less than 3500 billionaires, and you are saying every one of them have a rich family member who made them a billionaire?",
">\n\nI am saying they have iq above 120+ which makes them worthy",
">\n\nCare to respond to the link I shared...",
">\n\nOP is using an alternative definition of \"self made\". If someone becomes a billionaire through intelligence and hard work, OP counts that as not self made.",
">\n\nYet that still goes against the whole premise of the view.. They said they stopped reading my link because it mentioned MIT",
">\n\nOP is ignoring your point because you are talking about presumably smart people using intelligence and hard work to be successful.",
">\n\nI know, and it disputes everything they said in their view as it's not anomalies when so many have started from average or below average up bringings"
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It's ones attitude and self-respect that gets that person to where they are. Not the parents. Some had parents die when they were to young to know them.
Yes, parents can be supportive and teach as much as they can, but it's up to that person to take it or leave it. That one person needs to decide for themselves what they intent on doing. | [
"Considering most successfull people inherited their \"success\" before being able to prove any kind of ability, genes are just not the main factor.",
">\n\nGenetic success is the first path, then rich and then financial",
">\n\nExcept that the adopted child of filthy rich parents are still filthy rich themselves. You can have no genes in commons and still inherit success.",
">\n\nI am not talking about rich Brats or inherited. I am speaking of people who were rich with predisposition towards greatness and did something good.\nBilly boy gates, suckerbberg ,Bezos.",
">\n\nBut they're still successfull, no matter how you turn it. And most rich people have inherited their wealth.\nGenes just aren't the primary factor of success.",
">\n\nYour failures are yours. Don't blame your parents for your own shortcomings. Because if you do that, they can blame your grandparents. Who blame their parents and so on all the way to the genetic eve and adam.",
">\n\nPeople breed within their leagues. Peasant breed with peasants and their kids replace them as peasants. \nFamily lines are cursed. \nSuccess breeds success.\nLife's all about genetics. Those who say it is not are high IQ people or pseudo motivational speakers.\nTake IQ from Einstein he's nothing but a normal layman.",
">\n\nIf that were true, then we should have genetic breeds in humans just like dog breeds. But that's just not true. At worst you are eugenicist and at least you are a failure looking for someone else to blame than yourself.\nThrown to isolated island it doesn't matter who your parents are. Rich people are not rich because they have better genes. They are rich because their parents were rich.",
">\n\nWhy they have high IQ? Why they score high?\nWhy a poor IQ guy can't crack SAT 1500?",
">\n\nBecause IQ tests things you learn in school. If you can afford to go to good schools you get better test results.\nBut if you look at world richests people there is not a single scientists or person with high IQ there.\nOr you can look at last years nobel price winners and look where they were born. Half of them were born to low/middle income families.",
">\n\nThe OP mentioned in a response to me that they consider 120 a high IQ, which is only slightly above average realistically",
">\n\nEven though genetics, physical appearance, and the wealth and connections of one parents are important. It’s not the most important.\nFirst this does feel like a slightly loaded take, due to the term success, having meaning with different perspectives.\nI’d argue that no matter your financial or genetic upbringing. Caretakers who can provide healthy emotional stability will in turn develop children to higher functioning and independent adults in the future. \nI will concede that if your definition of success is to become a multi-millionaire or billionaire, it is infinitely harder to achieve that when you’re financially behind.\nHowever, even when economically disadvantaged, or poor. You can create an emotionally healthy, with healthy habit children. That part is free. \nEmotionally healthy children will make healthy choices into adulthood which will increase the likelihood of economical success. \nChildren with emotionally healthy backgrounds tend to receive higher education, have better relationships with money. And tend to be able to cultivate strong relationships with others.",
">\n\nBy this, there would never be any self-made millionaires or billionaires, etc... When clearly that is false. Also you can have high IQ parents and still be brought up in poverty. High IQ does equate to success either",
">\n\nThere's no self made billionaire. Even if some rich Godfather decided to invest in you, you're an anamoly. 1 in billion who has high IQ and despite being poor.\nStarbucks founder was a poor guy with high IQ.",
">\n\nAny research to back this up?\nThere are less than 3500 billionaires, and you are saying every one of them have a rich family member who made them a billionaire?",
">\n\nI am saying they have iq above 120+ which makes them worthy",
">\n\nCare to respond to the link I shared...",
">\n\nOP is using an alternative definition of \"self made\". If someone becomes a billionaire through intelligence and hard work, OP counts that as not self made.",
">\n\nYet that still goes against the whole premise of the view.. They said they stopped reading my link because it mentioned MIT",
">\n\nOP is ignoring your point because you are talking about presumably smart people using intelligence and hard work to be successful.",
">\n\nI know, and it disputes everything they said in their view as it's not anomalies when so many have started from average or below average up bringings",
">\n\nYou are essentially right because in the comments OP claimed that people \"People breed within their leagues\" and implied that all smart people are successful, but OP's stated view does not mention anything about people who started from average or below average up bringings. OP's view is presumably that all those people were smart and therefore reenforce OP's view."
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Are we talking about success or being rich? Because some people do have success while living moderate lives.
Also, let's assume that everything you've wrote is correct: what do you think we should do about it? | [
"Considering most successfull people inherited their \"success\" before being able to prove any kind of ability, genes are just not the main factor.",
">\n\nGenetic success is the first path, then rich and then financial",
">\n\nExcept that the adopted child of filthy rich parents are still filthy rich themselves. You can have no genes in commons and still inherit success.",
">\n\nI am not talking about rich Brats or inherited. I am speaking of people who were rich with predisposition towards greatness and did something good.\nBilly boy gates, suckerbberg ,Bezos.",
">\n\nBut they're still successfull, no matter how you turn it. And most rich people have inherited their wealth.\nGenes just aren't the primary factor of success.",
">\n\nYour failures are yours. Don't blame your parents for your own shortcomings. Because if you do that, they can blame your grandparents. Who blame their parents and so on all the way to the genetic eve and adam.",
">\n\nPeople breed within their leagues. Peasant breed with peasants and their kids replace them as peasants. \nFamily lines are cursed. \nSuccess breeds success.\nLife's all about genetics. Those who say it is not are high IQ people or pseudo motivational speakers.\nTake IQ from Einstein he's nothing but a normal layman.",
">\n\nIf that were true, then we should have genetic breeds in humans just like dog breeds. But that's just not true. At worst you are eugenicist and at least you are a failure looking for someone else to blame than yourself.\nThrown to isolated island it doesn't matter who your parents are. Rich people are not rich because they have better genes. They are rich because their parents were rich.",
">\n\nWhy they have high IQ? Why they score high?\nWhy a poor IQ guy can't crack SAT 1500?",
">\n\nBecause IQ tests things you learn in school. If you can afford to go to good schools you get better test results.\nBut if you look at world richests people there is not a single scientists or person with high IQ there.\nOr you can look at last years nobel price winners and look where they were born. Half of them were born to low/middle income families.",
">\n\nThe OP mentioned in a response to me that they consider 120 a high IQ, which is only slightly above average realistically",
">\n\nEven though genetics, physical appearance, and the wealth and connections of one parents are important. It’s not the most important.\nFirst this does feel like a slightly loaded take, due to the term success, having meaning with different perspectives.\nI’d argue that no matter your financial or genetic upbringing. Caretakers who can provide healthy emotional stability will in turn develop children to higher functioning and independent adults in the future. \nI will concede that if your definition of success is to become a multi-millionaire or billionaire, it is infinitely harder to achieve that when you’re financially behind.\nHowever, even when economically disadvantaged, or poor. You can create an emotionally healthy, with healthy habit children. That part is free. \nEmotionally healthy children will make healthy choices into adulthood which will increase the likelihood of economical success. \nChildren with emotionally healthy backgrounds tend to receive higher education, have better relationships with money. And tend to be able to cultivate strong relationships with others.",
">\n\nBy this, there would never be any self-made millionaires or billionaires, etc... When clearly that is false. Also you can have high IQ parents and still be brought up in poverty. High IQ does equate to success either",
">\n\nThere's no self made billionaire. Even if some rich Godfather decided to invest in you, you're an anamoly. 1 in billion who has high IQ and despite being poor.\nStarbucks founder was a poor guy with high IQ.",
">\n\nAny research to back this up?\nThere are less than 3500 billionaires, and you are saying every one of them have a rich family member who made them a billionaire?",
">\n\nI am saying they have iq above 120+ which makes them worthy",
">\n\nCare to respond to the link I shared...",
">\n\nOP is using an alternative definition of \"self made\". If someone becomes a billionaire through intelligence and hard work, OP counts that as not self made.",
">\n\nYet that still goes against the whole premise of the view.. They said they stopped reading my link because it mentioned MIT",
">\n\nOP is ignoring your point because you are talking about presumably smart people using intelligence and hard work to be successful.",
">\n\nI know, and it disputes everything they said in their view as it's not anomalies when so many have started from average or below average up bringings",
">\n\nYou are essentially right because in the comments OP claimed that people \"People breed within their leagues\" and implied that all smart people are successful, but OP's stated view does not mention anything about people who started from average or below average up bringings. OP's view is presumably that all those people were smart and therefore reenforce OP's view.",
">\n\nIt's ones attitude and self-respect that gets that person to where they are. Not the parents. Some had parents die when they were to young to know them.\nYes, parents can be supportive and teach as much as they can, but it's up to that person to take it or leave it. That one person needs to decide for themselves what they intent on doing."
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"Considering most successfull people inherited their \"success\" before being able to prove any kind of ability, genes are just not the main factor.",
">\n\nGenetic success is the first path, then rich and then financial",
">\n\nExcept that the adopted child of filthy rich parents are still filthy rich themselves. You can have no genes in commons and still inherit success.",
">\n\nI am not talking about rich Brats or inherited. I am speaking of people who were rich with predisposition towards greatness and did something good.\nBilly boy gates, suckerbberg ,Bezos.",
">\n\nBut they're still successfull, no matter how you turn it. And most rich people have inherited their wealth.\nGenes just aren't the primary factor of success.",
">\n\nYour failures are yours. Don't blame your parents for your own shortcomings. Because if you do that, they can blame your grandparents. Who blame their parents and so on all the way to the genetic eve and adam.",
">\n\nPeople breed within their leagues. Peasant breed with peasants and their kids replace them as peasants. \nFamily lines are cursed. \nSuccess breeds success.\nLife's all about genetics. Those who say it is not are high IQ people or pseudo motivational speakers.\nTake IQ from Einstein he's nothing but a normal layman.",
">\n\nIf that were true, then we should have genetic breeds in humans just like dog breeds. But that's just not true. At worst you are eugenicist and at least you are a failure looking for someone else to blame than yourself.\nThrown to isolated island it doesn't matter who your parents are. Rich people are not rich because they have better genes. They are rich because their parents were rich.",
">\n\nWhy they have high IQ? Why they score high?\nWhy a poor IQ guy can't crack SAT 1500?",
">\n\nBecause IQ tests things you learn in school. If you can afford to go to good schools you get better test results.\nBut if you look at world richests people there is not a single scientists or person with high IQ there.\nOr you can look at last years nobel price winners and look where they were born. Half of them were born to low/middle income families.",
">\n\nThe OP mentioned in a response to me that they consider 120 a high IQ, which is only slightly above average realistically",
">\n\nEven though genetics, physical appearance, and the wealth and connections of one parents are important. It’s not the most important.\nFirst this does feel like a slightly loaded take, due to the term success, having meaning with different perspectives.\nI’d argue that no matter your financial or genetic upbringing. Caretakers who can provide healthy emotional stability will in turn develop children to higher functioning and independent adults in the future. \nI will concede that if your definition of success is to become a multi-millionaire or billionaire, it is infinitely harder to achieve that when you’re financially behind.\nHowever, even when economically disadvantaged, or poor. You can create an emotionally healthy, with healthy habit children. That part is free. \nEmotionally healthy children will make healthy choices into adulthood which will increase the likelihood of economical success. \nChildren with emotionally healthy backgrounds tend to receive higher education, have better relationships with money. And tend to be able to cultivate strong relationships with others.",
">\n\nBy this, there would never be any self-made millionaires or billionaires, etc... When clearly that is false. Also you can have high IQ parents and still be brought up in poverty. High IQ does equate to success either",
">\n\nThere's no self made billionaire. Even if some rich Godfather decided to invest in you, you're an anamoly. 1 in billion who has high IQ and despite being poor.\nStarbucks founder was a poor guy with high IQ.",
">\n\nAny research to back this up?\nThere are less than 3500 billionaires, and you are saying every one of them have a rich family member who made them a billionaire?",
">\n\nI am saying they have iq above 120+ which makes them worthy",
">\n\nCare to respond to the link I shared...",
">\n\nOP is using an alternative definition of \"self made\". If someone becomes a billionaire through intelligence and hard work, OP counts that as not self made.",
">\n\nYet that still goes against the whole premise of the view.. They said they stopped reading my link because it mentioned MIT",
">\n\nOP is ignoring your point because you are talking about presumably smart people using intelligence and hard work to be successful.",
">\n\nI know, and it disputes everything they said in their view as it's not anomalies when so many have started from average or below average up bringings",
">\n\nYou are essentially right because in the comments OP claimed that people \"People breed within their leagues\" and implied that all smart people are successful, but OP's stated view does not mention anything about people who started from average or below average up bringings. OP's view is presumably that all those people were smart and therefore reenforce OP's view.",
">\n\nIt's ones attitude and self-respect that gets that person to where they are. Not the parents. Some had parents die when they were to young to know them.\nYes, parents can be supportive and teach as much as they can, but it's up to that person to take it or leave it. That one person needs to decide for themselves what they intent on doing.",
">\n\nAre we talking about success or being rich? Because some people do have success while living moderate lives.\nAlso, let's assume that everything you've wrote is correct: what do you think we should do about it?"
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">\n\nOne of my cats, Ewok likes to nap on my lap a lot. Sometimes when he’s asleep, I’ll sing the dumb little ditty I’ve been singing for him since was a kitten. He won’t wake up or even stir a bit, but I’ll be able to feel him start to purr after like two lines. Makes me smile every time."
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Well that’s just not true and entirely dependent on the person. | [
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The less I talk, more often than not, the less I want to talk lol. | [
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">\n\nWell that’s just not true and entirely dependent on the person."
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">\n\nWell that’s just not true and entirely dependent on the person.",
">\n\nThe less I talk, more often than not, the less I want to talk lol."
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Testimony from Maj. Gen. William J. Walker, who was the commander of the D.C. Guard, reiterated that the response from the Guard on Jan. 6 had been delayed because of concerns from higher-ups over “the optics” of the army’s involvement.
The reason it took three hours and 19 minutes to get approval for the Guard to help protect the Capitol, he said, was that “somebody or somebodies were willfully, deliberately delaying making the decision.” He added, “I think it would have been a vastly different response if those were African Americans trying to breach the Capitol.” | [] |
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One of the people who raised concerns about optics wasnt even in the chain of command - Charles Flynn (brother of Michael Flynn). | [
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Piece of shit brother of price of shit traitor Michael Flynn | [
"Testimony from Maj. Gen. William J. Walker, who was the commander of the D.C. Guard, reiterated that the response from the Guard on Jan. 6 had been delayed because of concerns from higher-ups over “the optics” of the army’s involvement.\nThe reason it took three hours and 19 minutes to get approval for the Guard to help protect the Capitol, he said, was that “somebody or somebodies were willfully, deliberately delaying making the decision.” He added, “I think it would have been a vastly different response if those were African Americans trying to breach the Capitol.”",
">\n\nOne of the people who raised concerns about optics wasnt even in the chain of command - Charles Flynn (brother of Michael Flynn)."
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Somebody/Some people at the top were paid off to stall sending help. I've followed this from almost day 1 and that seems to be the only thing that it could have been. | [
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">\n\nOne of the people who raised concerns about optics wasnt even in the chain of command - Charles Flynn (brother of Michael Flynn).",
">\n\nPiece of shit brother of price of shit traitor Michael Flynn"
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"Testimony from Maj. Gen. William J. Walker, who was the commander of the D.C. Guard, reiterated that the response from the Guard on Jan. 6 had been delayed because of concerns from higher-ups over “the optics” of the army’s involvement.\nThe reason it took three hours and 19 minutes to get approval for the Guard to help protect the Capitol, he said, was that “somebody or somebodies were willfully, deliberately delaying making the decision.” He added, “I think it would have been a vastly different response if those were African Americans trying to breach the Capitol.”",
">\n\nOne of the people who raised concerns about optics wasnt even in the chain of command - Charles Flynn (brother of Michael Flynn).",
">\n\nPiece of shit brother of price of shit traitor Michael Flynn",
">\n\nSomebody/Some people at the top were paid off to stall sending help. I've followed this from almost day 1 and that seems to be the only thing that it could have been."
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oh god, didn’t even realize that haha | [
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The arrow keys are cursed | [
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">\n\noh god, didn’t even realize that haha"
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oh god, didn’t even realize that haha | [
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">\n\noh god, didn’t even realize that haha",
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">\n\noh god, didn’t even realize that haha",
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He's arguably one of the primary reasons why soccer became the most popular sport in the world. RIP | [
"RIP to the king of the game. Legend."
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Retired ~50 years ago and remained a household name. | [
"RIP to the king of the game. Legend.",
">\n\nHe's arguably one of the primary reasons why soccer became the most popular sport in the world. RIP"
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Seriously though! As someone who doesn't follow sports all that much, it wasn't until a few years ago that I realized Pelé was an older man and not some present day sports superstar given how common it was to hear his name mentioned whenever soccer/football came up. | [
"RIP to the king of the game. Legend.",
">\n\nHe's arguably one of the primary reasons why soccer became the most popular sport in the world. RIP",
">\n\nRetired ~50 years ago and remained a household name."
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I am just now learning that Pele is not a 35 year old man. I don't know shit about fuck when it comes to soccer, but I knew the name Pele. | [
"RIP to the king of the game. Legend.",
">\n\nHe's arguably one of the primary reasons why soccer became the most popular sport in the world. RIP",
">\n\nRetired ~50 years ago and remained a household name.",
">\n\nSeriously though! As someone who doesn't follow sports all that much, it wasn't until a few years ago that I realized Pelé was an older man and not some present day sports superstar given how common it was to hear his name mentioned whenever soccer/football came up."
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Having learned about him growing up but not watching soccer I thought he played with guys like Beckham. He's to soccer what Wilt and Babe Ruth are to basketball and baseball. | [
"RIP to the king of the game. Legend.",
">\n\nHe's arguably one of the primary reasons why soccer became the most popular sport in the world. RIP",
">\n\nRetired ~50 years ago and remained a household name.",
">\n\nSeriously though! As someone who doesn't follow sports all that much, it wasn't until a few years ago that I realized Pelé was an older man and not some present day sports superstar given how common it was to hear his name mentioned whenever soccer/football came up.",
">\n\nI am just now learning that Pele is not a 35 year old man. I don't know shit about fuck when it comes to soccer, but I knew the name Pele."
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I'm not a soccer fan, but I get the impression that Pelé is far more important to soccer than Wilt Chamberlain is to basketball or Babe Ruth is to baseball. I'm not sure American sports has an equivalent to Pelé. | [
"RIP to the king of the game. Legend.",
">\n\nHe's arguably one of the primary reasons why soccer became the most popular sport in the world. RIP",
">\n\nRetired ~50 years ago and remained a household name.",
">\n\nSeriously though! As someone who doesn't follow sports all that much, it wasn't until a few years ago that I realized Pelé was an older man and not some present day sports superstar given how common it was to hear his name mentioned whenever soccer/football came up.",
">\n\nI am just now learning that Pele is not a 35 year old man. I don't know shit about fuck when it comes to soccer, but I knew the name Pele.",
">\n\nHaving learned about him growing up but not watching soccer I thought he played with guys like Beckham. He's to soccer what Wilt and Babe Ruth are to basketball and baseball."
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Maybe not in importance but in complete domination of their sport setting records that still have yet to be broken. | [
"RIP to the king of the game. Legend.",
">\n\nHe's arguably one of the primary reasons why soccer became the most popular sport in the world. RIP",
">\n\nRetired ~50 years ago and remained a household name.",
">\n\nSeriously though! As someone who doesn't follow sports all that much, it wasn't until a few years ago that I realized Pelé was an older man and not some present day sports superstar given how common it was to hear his name mentioned whenever soccer/football came up.",
">\n\nI am just now learning that Pele is not a 35 year old man. I don't know shit about fuck when it comes to soccer, but I knew the name Pele.",
">\n\nHaving learned about him growing up but not watching soccer I thought he played with guys like Beckham. He's to soccer what Wilt and Babe Ruth are to basketball and baseball.",
">\n\nI'm not a soccer fan, but I get the impression that Pelé is far more important to soccer than Wilt Chamberlain is to basketball or Babe Ruth is to baseball. I'm not sure American sports has an equivalent to Pelé."
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I was just speaking in terms of their importance. We have had many great players in different sports but Pelé is like the Jesus Christ of soccer, no American athlete matches that. Closest one would probably be Michael Jordan, but I don't think even he is on the same level because his fame has waned a bit in the 20 years he has been retired whereas Pelé has been retired for 50 years and is just as famous as he ever was. | [
"RIP to the king of the game. Legend.",
">\n\nHe's arguably one of the primary reasons why soccer became the most popular sport in the world. RIP",
">\n\nRetired ~50 years ago and remained a household name.",
">\n\nSeriously though! As someone who doesn't follow sports all that much, it wasn't until a few years ago that I realized Pelé was an older man and not some present day sports superstar given how common it was to hear his name mentioned whenever soccer/football came up.",
">\n\nI am just now learning that Pele is not a 35 year old man. I don't know shit about fuck when it comes to soccer, but I knew the name Pele.",
">\n\nHaving learned about him growing up but not watching soccer I thought he played with guys like Beckham. He's to soccer what Wilt and Babe Ruth are to basketball and baseball.",
">\n\nI'm not a soccer fan, but I get the impression that Pelé is far more important to soccer than Wilt Chamberlain is to basketball or Babe Ruth is to baseball. I'm not sure American sports has an equivalent to Pelé.",
">\n\nMaybe not in importance but in complete domination of their sport setting records that still have yet to be broken."
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This man was a global icon in a world before social media, the internet, etc. Even those who didn't follow sports knew his name.
He even was the cause of a cease fire during the Nigerian civil war so they could watch him play.
Legend doesn't begin to describe him. | [
"RIP to the king of the game. Legend.",
">\n\nHe's arguably one of the primary reasons why soccer became the most popular sport in the world. RIP",
">\n\nRetired ~50 years ago and remained a household name.",
">\n\nSeriously though! As someone who doesn't follow sports all that much, it wasn't until a few years ago that I realized Pelé was an older man and not some present day sports superstar given how common it was to hear his name mentioned whenever soccer/football came up.",
">\n\nI am just now learning that Pele is not a 35 year old man. I don't know shit about fuck when it comes to soccer, but I knew the name Pele.",
">\n\nHaving learned about him growing up but not watching soccer I thought he played with guys like Beckham. He's to soccer what Wilt and Babe Ruth are to basketball and baseball.",
">\n\nI'm not a soccer fan, but I get the impression that Pelé is far more important to soccer than Wilt Chamberlain is to basketball or Babe Ruth is to baseball. I'm not sure American sports has an equivalent to Pelé.",
">\n\nMaybe not in importance but in complete domination of their sport setting records that still have yet to be broken.",
">\n\nI was just speaking in terms of their importance. We have had many great players in different sports but Pelé is like the Jesus Christ of soccer, no American athlete matches that. Closest one would probably be Michael Jordan, but I don't think even he is on the same level because his fame has waned a bit in the 20 years he has been retired whereas Pelé has been retired for 50 years and is just as famous as he ever was."
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I know next to nothing about Soccer and even I know about him | [
"RIP to the king of the game. Legend.",
">\n\nHe's arguably one of the primary reasons why soccer became the most popular sport in the world. RIP",
">\n\nRetired ~50 years ago and remained a household name.",
">\n\nSeriously though! As someone who doesn't follow sports all that much, it wasn't until a few years ago that I realized Pelé was an older man and not some present day sports superstar given how common it was to hear his name mentioned whenever soccer/football came up.",
">\n\nI am just now learning that Pele is not a 35 year old man. I don't know shit about fuck when it comes to soccer, but I knew the name Pele.",
">\n\nHaving learned about him growing up but not watching soccer I thought he played with guys like Beckham. He's to soccer what Wilt and Babe Ruth are to basketball and baseball.",
">\n\nI'm not a soccer fan, but I get the impression that Pelé is far more important to soccer than Wilt Chamberlain is to basketball or Babe Ruth is to baseball. I'm not sure American sports has an equivalent to Pelé.",
">\n\nMaybe not in importance but in complete domination of their sport setting records that still have yet to be broken.",
">\n\nI was just speaking in terms of their importance. We have had many great players in different sports but Pelé is like the Jesus Christ of soccer, no American athlete matches that. Closest one would probably be Michael Jordan, but I don't think even he is on the same level because his fame has waned a bit in the 20 years he has been retired whereas Pelé has been retired for 50 years and is just as famous as he ever was.",
">\n\nThis man was a global icon in a world before social media, the internet, etc. Even those who didn't follow sports knew his name. \nHe even was the cause of a cease fire during the Nigerian civil war so they could watch him play. \nLegend doesn't begin to describe him."
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Pele is one of those people whose name transcended the sport. You don't have to follow the sport to know who Pele, Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, Wayne Gretzky, Venus and Serena Williams, are. | [
"RIP to the king of the game. Legend.",
">\n\nHe's arguably one of the primary reasons why soccer became the most popular sport in the world. RIP",
">\n\nRetired ~50 years ago and remained a household name.",
">\n\nSeriously though! As someone who doesn't follow sports all that much, it wasn't until a few years ago that I realized Pelé was an older man and not some present day sports superstar given how common it was to hear his name mentioned whenever soccer/football came up.",
">\n\nI am just now learning that Pele is not a 35 year old man. I don't know shit about fuck when it comes to soccer, but I knew the name Pele.",
">\n\nHaving learned about him growing up but not watching soccer I thought he played with guys like Beckham. He's to soccer what Wilt and Babe Ruth are to basketball and baseball.",
">\n\nI'm not a soccer fan, but I get the impression that Pelé is far more important to soccer than Wilt Chamberlain is to basketball or Babe Ruth is to baseball. I'm not sure American sports has an equivalent to Pelé.",
">\n\nMaybe not in importance but in complete domination of their sport setting records that still have yet to be broken.",
">\n\nI was just speaking in terms of their importance. We have had many great players in different sports but Pelé is like the Jesus Christ of soccer, no American athlete matches that. Closest one would probably be Michael Jordan, but I don't think even he is on the same level because his fame has waned a bit in the 20 years he has been retired whereas Pelé has been retired for 50 years and is just as famous as he ever was.",
">\n\nThis man was a global icon in a world before social media, the internet, etc. Even those who didn't follow sports knew his name. \nHe even was the cause of a cease fire during the Nigerian civil war so they could watch him play. \nLegend doesn't begin to describe him.",
">\n\nI know next to nothing about Soccer and even I know about him"
] |
>
At one time the most famous individual human was Muhammad Ali. Pelé was on that level, it is true.
Couple of other names as well: Jackie Robinson and Walter Payton.
Edit: fixed misspelled name. | [
"RIP to the king of the game. Legend.",
">\n\nHe's arguably one of the primary reasons why soccer became the most popular sport in the world. RIP",
">\n\nRetired ~50 years ago and remained a household name.",
">\n\nSeriously though! As someone who doesn't follow sports all that much, it wasn't until a few years ago that I realized Pelé was an older man and not some present day sports superstar given how common it was to hear his name mentioned whenever soccer/football came up.",
">\n\nI am just now learning that Pele is not a 35 year old man. I don't know shit about fuck when it comes to soccer, but I knew the name Pele.",
">\n\nHaving learned about him growing up but not watching soccer I thought he played with guys like Beckham. He's to soccer what Wilt and Babe Ruth are to basketball and baseball.",
">\n\nI'm not a soccer fan, but I get the impression that Pelé is far more important to soccer than Wilt Chamberlain is to basketball or Babe Ruth is to baseball. I'm not sure American sports has an equivalent to Pelé.",
">\n\nMaybe not in importance but in complete domination of their sport setting records that still have yet to be broken.",
">\n\nI was just speaking in terms of their importance. We have had many great players in different sports but Pelé is like the Jesus Christ of soccer, no American athlete matches that. Closest one would probably be Michael Jordan, but I don't think even he is on the same level because his fame has waned a bit in the 20 years he has been retired whereas Pelé has been retired for 50 years and is just as famous as he ever was.",
">\n\nThis man was a global icon in a world before social media, the internet, etc. Even those who didn't follow sports knew his name. \nHe even was the cause of a cease fire during the Nigerian civil war so they could watch him play. \nLegend doesn't begin to describe him.",
">\n\nI know next to nothing about Soccer and even I know about him",
">\n\nPele is one of those people whose name transcended the sport. You don't have to follow the sport to know who Pele, Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, Wayne Gretzky, Venus and Serena Williams, are."
] |
>
Gotta say I don’t know Walter Patton. | [
"RIP to the king of the game. Legend.",
">\n\nHe's arguably one of the primary reasons why soccer became the most popular sport in the world. RIP",
">\n\nRetired ~50 years ago and remained a household name.",
">\n\nSeriously though! As someone who doesn't follow sports all that much, it wasn't until a few years ago that I realized Pelé was an older man and not some present day sports superstar given how common it was to hear his name mentioned whenever soccer/football came up.",
">\n\nI am just now learning that Pele is not a 35 year old man. I don't know shit about fuck when it comes to soccer, but I knew the name Pele.",
">\n\nHaving learned about him growing up but not watching soccer I thought he played with guys like Beckham. He's to soccer what Wilt and Babe Ruth are to basketball and baseball.",
">\n\nI'm not a soccer fan, but I get the impression that Pelé is far more important to soccer than Wilt Chamberlain is to basketball or Babe Ruth is to baseball. I'm not sure American sports has an equivalent to Pelé.",
">\n\nMaybe not in importance but in complete domination of their sport setting records that still have yet to be broken.",
">\n\nI was just speaking in terms of their importance. We have had many great players in different sports but Pelé is like the Jesus Christ of soccer, no American athlete matches that. Closest one would probably be Michael Jordan, but I don't think even he is on the same level because his fame has waned a bit in the 20 years he has been retired whereas Pelé has been retired for 50 years and is just as famous as he ever was.",
">\n\nThis man was a global icon in a world before social media, the internet, etc. Even those who didn't follow sports knew his name. \nHe even was the cause of a cease fire during the Nigerian civil war so they could watch him play. \nLegend doesn't begin to describe him.",
">\n\nI know next to nothing about Soccer and even I know about him",
">\n\nPele is one of those people whose name transcended the sport. You don't have to follow the sport to know who Pele, Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, Wayne Gretzky, Venus and Serena Williams, are.",
">\n\nAt one time the most famous individual human was Muhammad Ali. Pelé was on that level, it is true.\nCouple of other names as well: Jackie Robinson and Walter Payton.\nEdit: fixed misspelled name."
] |
>
That might be my fault here. I meant Walter Payton. Sweetness. NFL running back who played for Chicago. Rushed for 16K+ yards. The NFL man of the year award is named after him because he was always doing charity work. | [
"RIP to the king of the game. Legend.",
">\n\nHe's arguably one of the primary reasons why soccer became the most popular sport in the world. RIP",
">\n\nRetired ~50 years ago and remained a household name.",
">\n\nSeriously though! As someone who doesn't follow sports all that much, it wasn't until a few years ago that I realized Pelé was an older man and not some present day sports superstar given how common it was to hear his name mentioned whenever soccer/football came up.",
">\n\nI am just now learning that Pele is not a 35 year old man. I don't know shit about fuck when it comes to soccer, but I knew the name Pele.",
">\n\nHaving learned about him growing up but not watching soccer I thought he played with guys like Beckham. He's to soccer what Wilt and Babe Ruth are to basketball and baseball.",
">\n\nI'm not a soccer fan, but I get the impression that Pelé is far more important to soccer than Wilt Chamberlain is to basketball or Babe Ruth is to baseball. I'm not sure American sports has an equivalent to Pelé.",
">\n\nMaybe not in importance but in complete domination of their sport setting records that still have yet to be broken.",
">\n\nI was just speaking in terms of their importance. We have had many great players in different sports but Pelé is like the Jesus Christ of soccer, no American athlete matches that. Closest one would probably be Michael Jordan, but I don't think even he is on the same level because his fame has waned a bit in the 20 years he has been retired whereas Pelé has been retired for 50 years and is just as famous as he ever was.",
">\n\nThis man was a global icon in a world before social media, the internet, etc. Even those who didn't follow sports knew his name. \nHe even was the cause of a cease fire during the Nigerian civil war so they could watch him play. \nLegend doesn't begin to describe him.",
">\n\nI know next to nothing about Soccer and even I know about him",
">\n\nPele is one of those people whose name transcended the sport. You don't have to follow the sport to know who Pele, Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, Wayne Gretzky, Venus and Serena Williams, are.",
">\n\nAt one time the most famous individual human was Muhammad Ali. Pelé was on that level, it is true.\nCouple of other names as well: Jackie Robinson and Walter Payton.\nEdit: fixed misspelled name.",
">\n\nGotta say I don’t know Walter Patton."
] |
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...who?
Unfortunately, I think stuff like NFL, Rugby, or baseball superstars can really get on the same global recognition level as soccer, basketball, tennis, or golf. | [
"RIP to the king of the game. Legend.",
">\n\nHe's arguably one of the primary reasons why soccer became the most popular sport in the world. RIP",
">\n\nRetired ~50 years ago and remained a household name.",
">\n\nSeriously though! As someone who doesn't follow sports all that much, it wasn't until a few years ago that I realized Pelé was an older man and not some present day sports superstar given how common it was to hear his name mentioned whenever soccer/football came up.",
">\n\nI am just now learning that Pele is not a 35 year old man. I don't know shit about fuck when it comes to soccer, but I knew the name Pele.",
">\n\nHaving learned about him growing up but not watching soccer I thought he played with guys like Beckham. He's to soccer what Wilt and Babe Ruth are to basketball and baseball.",
">\n\nI'm not a soccer fan, but I get the impression that Pelé is far more important to soccer than Wilt Chamberlain is to basketball or Babe Ruth is to baseball. I'm not sure American sports has an equivalent to Pelé.",
">\n\nMaybe not in importance but in complete domination of their sport setting records that still have yet to be broken.",
">\n\nI was just speaking in terms of their importance. We have had many great players in different sports but Pelé is like the Jesus Christ of soccer, no American athlete matches that. Closest one would probably be Michael Jordan, but I don't think even he is on the same level because his fame has waned a bit in the 20 years he has been retired whereas Pelé has been retired for 50 years and is just as famous as he ever was.",
">\n\nThis man was a global icon in a world before social media, the internet, etc. Even those who didn't follow sports knew his name. \nHe even was the cause of a cease fire during the Nigerian civil war so they could watch him play. \nLegend doesn't begin to describe him.",
">\n\nI know next to nothing about Soccer and even I know about him",
">\n\nPele is one of those people whose name transcended the sport. You don't have to follow the sport to know who Pele, Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, Wayne Gretzky, Venus and Serena Williams, are.",
">\n\nAt one time the most famous individual human was Muhammad Ali. Pelé was on that level, it is true.\nCouple of other names as well: Jackie Robinson and Walter Payton.\nEdit: fixed misspelled name.",
">\n\nGotta say I don’t know Walter Patton.",
">\n\nThat might be my fault here. I meant Walter Payton. Sweetness. NFL running back who played for Chicago. Rushed for 16K+ yards. The NFL man of the year award is named after him because he was always doing charity work."
] |
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This is going to be weird to some, maybe... but what i remember him most for is the movie Victory with him, Stallone, Michael Caine and Max von Sydow. Mostly a very fictionalized story about something from World War II... but it was a cool little movie where the Allies beat the Nazis at soccer.
They had Pelé using his skills to basically defeat the Third Reich. Sure, not all that super accurate, but it's a fun movie to watch. He was able to act at least as well as Stallone too. And it was one one of the last films directed by John Huston too. | [
"RIP to the king of the game. Legend.",
">\n\nHe's arguably one of the primary reasons why soccer became the most popular sport in the world. RIP",
">\n\nRetired ~50 years ago and remained a household name.",
">\n\nSeriously though! As someone who doesn't follow sports all that much, it wasn't until a few years ago that I realized Pelé was an older man and not some present day sports superstar given how common it was to hear his name mentioned whenever soccer/football came up.",
">\n\nI am just now learning that Pele is not a 35 year old man. I don't know shit about fuck when it comes to soccer, but I knew the name Pele.",
">\n\nHaving learned about him growing up but not watching soccer I thought he played with guys like Beckham. He's to soccer what Wilt and Babe Ruth are to basketball and baseball.",
">\n\nI'm not a soccer fan, but I get the impression that Pelé is far more important to soccer than Wilt Chamberlain is to basketball or Babe Ruth is to baseball. I'm not sure American sports has an equivalent to Pelé.",
">\n\nMaybe not in importance but in complete domination of their sport setting records that still have yet to be broken.",
">\n\nI was just speaking in terms of their importance. We have had many great players in different sports but Pelé is like the Jesus Christ of soccer, no American athlete matches that. Closest one would probably be Michael Jordan, but I don't think even he is on the same level because his fame has waned a bit in the 20 years he has been retired whereas Pelé has been retired for 50 years and is just as famous as he ever was.",
">\n\nThis man was a global icon in a world before social media, the internet, etc. Even those who didn't follow sports knew his name. \nHe even was the cause of a cease fire during the Nigerian civil war so they could watch him play. \nLegend doesn't begin to describe him.",
">\n\nI know next to nothing about Soccer and even I know about him",
">\n\nPele is one of those people whose name transcended the sport. You don't have to follow the sport to know who Pele, Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, Wayne Gretzky, Venus and Serena Williams, are.",
">\n\nAt one time the most famous individual human was Muhammad Ali. Pelé was on that level, it is true.\nCouple of other names as well: Jackie Robinson and Walter Payton.\nEdit: fixed misspelled name.",
">\n\nGotta say I don’t know Walter Patton.",
">\n\nThat might be my fault here. I meant Walter Payton. Sweetness. NFL running back who played for Chicago. Rushed for 16K+ yards. The NFL man of the year award is named after him because he was always doing charity work.",
">\n\n...who?\nUnfortunately, I think stuff like NFL, Rugby, or baseball superstars can really get on the same global recognition level as soccer, basketball, tennis, or golf."
] |
>
"After givin' me ball here, I do this... ...this, this, goal. Easy."
My dad would always say this quote to me before rec league soccer games as a kid. It's a great movie. | [
"RIP to the king of the game. Legend.",
">\n\nHe's arguably one of the primary reasons why soccer became the most popular sport in the world. RIP",
">\n\nRetired ~50 years ago and remained a household name.",
">\n\nSeriously though! As someone who doesn't follow sports all that much, it wasn't until a few years ago that I realized Pelé was an older man and not some present day sports superstar given how common it was to hear his name mentioned whenever soccer/football came up.",
">\n\nI am just now learning that Pele is not a 35 year old man. I don't know shit about fuck when it comes to soccer, but I knew the name Pele.",
">\n\nHaving learned about him growing up but not watching soccer I thought he played with guys like Beckham. He's to soccer what Wilt and Babe Ruth are to basketball and baseball.",
">\n\nI'm not a soccer fan, but I get the impression that Pelé is far more important to soccer than Wilt Chamberlain is to basketball or Babe Ruth is to baseball. I'm not sure American sports has an equivalent to Pelé.",
">\n\nMaybe not in importance but in complete domination of their sport setting records that still have yet to be broken.",
">\n\nI was just speaking in terms of their importance. We have had many great players in different sports but Pelé is like the Jesus Christ of soccer, no American athlete matches that. Closest one would probably be Michael Jordan, but I don't think even he is on the same level because his fame has waned a bit in the 20 years he has been retired whereas Pelé has been retired for 50 years and is just as famous as he ever was.",
">\n\nThis man was a global icon in a world before social media, the internet, etc. Even those who didn't follow sports knew his name. \nHe even was the cause of a cease fire during the Nigerian civil war so they could watch him play. \nLegend doesn't begin to describe him.",
">\n\nI know next to nothing about Soccer and even I know about him",
">\n\nPele is one of those people whose name transcended the sport. You don't have to follow the sport to know who Pele, Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, Wayne Gretzky, Venus and Serena Williams, are.",
">\n\nAt one time the most famous individual human was Muhammad Ali. Pelé was on that level, it is true.\nCouple of other names as well: Jackie Robinson and Walter Payton.\nEdit: fixed misspelled name.",
">\n\nGotta say I don’t know Walter Patton.",
">\n\nThat might be my fault here. I meant Walter Payton. Sweetness. NFL running back who played for Chicago. Rushed for 16K+ yards. The NFL man of the year award is named after him because he was always doing charity work.",
">\n\n...who?\nUnfortunately, I think stuff like NFL, Rugby, or baseball superstars can really get on the same global recognition level as soccer, basketball, tennis, or golf.",
">\n\nThis is going to be weird to some, maybe... but what i remember him most for is the movie Victory with him, Stallone, Michael Caine and Max von Sydow. Mostly a very fictionalized story about something from World War II... but it was a cool little movie where the Allies beat the Nazis at soccer.\nThey had Pelé using his skills to basically defeat the Third Reich. Sure, not all that super accurate, but it's a fun movie to watch. He was able to act at least as well as Stallone too. And it was one one of the last films directed by John Huston too."
] |
>
It's sappy, but good. I watched it a lot as kid. The big highlight where Pelé scores a big goal. It's a fun movie. | [
"RIP to the king of the game. Legend.",
">\n\nHe's arguably one of the primary reasons why soccer became the most popular sport in the world. RIP",
">\n\nRetired ~50 years ago and remained a household name.",
">\n\nSeriously though! As someone who doesn't follow sports all that much, it wasn't until a few years ago that I realized Pelé was an older man and not some present day sports superstar given how common it was to hear his name mentioned whenever soccer/football came up.",
">\n\nI am just now learning that Pele is not a 35 year old man. I don't know shit about fuck when it comes to soccer, but I knew the name Pele.",
">\n\nHaving learned about him growing up but not watching soccer I thought he played with guys like Beckham. He's to soccer what Wilt and Babe Ruth are to basketball and baseball.",
">\n\nI'm not a soccer fan, but I get the impression that Pelé is far more important to soccer than Wilt Chamberlain is to basketball or Babe Ruth is to baseball. I'm not sure American sports has an equivalent to Pelé.",
">\n\nMaybe not in importance but in complete domination of their sport setting records that still have yet to be broken.",
">\n\nI was just speaking in terms of their importance. We have had many great players in different sports but Pelé is like the Jesus Christ of soccer, no American athlete matches that. Closest one would probably be Michael Jordan, but I don't think even he is on the same level because his fame has waned a bit in the 20 years he has been retired whereas Pelé has been retired for 50 years and is just as famous as he ever was.",
">\n\nThis man was a global icon in a world before social media, the internet, etc. Even those who didn't follow sports knew his name. \nHe even was the cause of a cease fire during the Nigerian civil war so they could watch him play. \nLegend doesn't begin to describe him.",
">\n\nI know next to nothing about Soccer and even I know about him",
">\n\nPele is one of those people whose name transcended the sport. You don't have to follow the sport to know who Pele, Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, Wayne Gretzky, Venus and Serena Williams, are.",
">\n\nAt one time the most famous individual human was Muhammad Ali. Pelé was on that level, it is true.\nCouple of other names as well: Jackie Robinson and Walter Payton.\nEdit: fixed misspelled name.",
">\n\nGotta say I don’t know Walter Patton.",
">\n\nThat might be my fault here. I meant Walter Payton. Sweetness. NFL running back who played for Chicago. Rushed for 16K+ yards. The NFL man of the year award is named after him because he was always doing charity work.",
">\n\n...who?\nUnfortunately, I think stuff like NFL, Rugby, or baseball superstars can really get on the same global recognition level as soccer, basketball, tennis, or golf.",
">\n\nThis is going to be weird to some, maybe... but what i remember him most for is the movie Victory with him, Stallone, Michael Caine and Max von Sydow. Mostly a very fictionalized story about something from World War II... but it was a cool little movie where the Allies beat the Nazis at soccer.\nThey had Pelé using his skills to basically defeat the Third Reich. Sure, not all that super accurate, but it's a fun movie to watch. He was able to act at least as well as Stallone too. And it was one one of the last films directed by John Huston too.",
">\n\n\"After givin' me ball here, I do this... ...this, this, goal. Easy.\"\nMy dad would always say this quote to me before rec league soccer games as a kid. It's a great movie."
] |
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Is it kind of like Gleaming the Cube but with soccer? | [
"RIP to the king of the game. Legend.",
">\n\nHe's arguably one of the primary reasons why soccer became the most popular sport in the world. RIP",
">\n\nRetired ~50 years ago and remained a household name.",
">\n\nSeriously though! As someone who doesn't follow sports all that much, it wasn't until a few years ago that I realized Pelé was an older man and not some present day sports superstar given how common it was to hear his name mentioned whenever soccer/football came up.",
">\n\nI am just now learning that Pele is not a 35 year old man. I don't know shit about fuck when it comes to soccer, but I knew the name Pele.",
">\n\nHaving learned about him growing up but not watching soccer I thought he played with guys like Beckham. He's to soccer what Wilt and Babe Ruth are to basketball and baseball.",
">\n\nI'm not a soccer fan, but I get the impression that Pelé is far more important to soccer than Wilt Chamberlain is to basketball or Babe Ruth is to baseball. I'm not sure American sports has an equivalent to Pelé.",
">\n\nMaybe not in importance but in complete domination of their sport setting records that still have yet to be broken.",
">\n\nI was just speaking in terms of their importance. We have had many great players in different sports but Pelé is like the Jesus Christ of soccer, no American athlete matches that. Closest one would probably be Michael Jordan, but I don't think even he is on the same level because his fame has waned a bit in the 20 years he has been retired whereas Pelé has been retired for 50 years and is just as famous as he ever was.",
">\n\nThis man was a global icon in a world before social media, the internet, etc. Even those who didn't follow sports knew his name. \nHe even was the cause of a cease fire during the Nigerian civil war so they could watch him play. \nLegend doesn't begin to describe him.",
">\n\nI know next to nothing about Soccer and even I know about him",
">\n\nPele is one of those people whose name transcended the sport. You don't have to follow the sport to know who Pele, Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, Wayne Gretzky, Venus and Serena Williams, are.",
">\n\nAt one time the most famous individual human was Muhammad Ali. Pelé was on that level, it is true.\nCouple of other names as well: Jackie Robinson and Walter Payton.\nEdit: fixed misspelled name.",
">\n\nGotta say I don’t know Walter Patton.",
">\n\nThat might be my fault here. I meant Walter Payton. Sweetness. NFL running back who played for Chicago. Rushed for 16K+ yards. The NFL man of the year award is named after him because he was always doing charity work.",
">\n\n...who?\nUnfortunately, I think stuff like NFL, Rugby, or baseball superstars can really get on the same global recognition level as soccer, basketball, tennis, or golf.",
">\n\nThis is going to be weird to some, maybe... but what i remember him most for is the movie Victory with him, Stallone, Michael Caine and Max von Sydow. Mostly a very fictionalized story about something from World War II... but it was a cool little movie where the Allies beat the Nazis at soccer.\nThey had Pelé using his skills to basically defeat the Third Reich. Sure, not all that super accurate, but it's a fun movie to watch. He was able to act at least as well as Stallone too. And it was one one of the last films directed by John Huston too.",
">\n\n\"After givin' me ball here, I do this... ...this, this, goal. Easy.\"\nMy dad would always say this quote to me before rec league soccer games as a kid. It's a great movie.",
">\n\nIt's sappy, but good. I watched it a lot as kid. The big highlight where Pelé scores a big goal. It's a fun movie."
] |
>
“The more difficult the victory, the greater the happiness in winning.” - Pele
RIP | [
"RIP to the king of the game. Legend.",
">\n\nHe's arguably one of the primary reasons why soccer became the most popular sport in the world. RIP",
">\n\nRetired ~50 years ago and remained a household name.",
">\n\nSeriously though! As someone who doesn't follow sports all that much, it wasn't until a few years ago that I realized Pelé was an older man and not some present day sports superstar given how common it was to hear his name mentioned whenever soccer/football came up.",
">\n\nI am just now learning that Pele is not a 35 year old man. I don't know shit about fuck when it comes to soccer, but I knew the name Pele.",
">\n\nHaving learned about him growing up but not watching soccer I thought he played with guys like Beckham. He's to soccer what Wilt and Babe Ruth are to basketball and baseball.",
">\n\nI'm not a soccer fan, but I get the impression that Pelé is far more important to soccer than Wilt Chamberlain is to basketball or Babe Ruth is to baseball. I'm not sure American sports has an equivalent to Pelé.",
">\n\nMaybe not in importance but in complete domination of their sport setting records that still have yet to be broken.",
">\n\nI was just speaking in terms of their importance. We have had many great players in different sports but Pelé is like the Jesus Christ of soccer, no American athlete matches that. Closest one would probably be Michael Jordan, but I don't think even he is on the same level because his fame has waned a bit in the 20 years he has been retired whereas Pelé has been retired for 50 years and is just as famous as he ever was.",
">\n\nThis man was a global icon in a world before social media, the internet, etc. Even those who didn't follow sports knew his name. \nHe even was the cause of a cease fire during the Nigerian civil war so they could watch him play. \nLegend doesn't begin to describe him.",
">\n\nI know next to nothing about Soccer and even I know about him",
">\n\nPele is one of those people whose name transcended the sport. You don't have to follow the sport to know who Pele, Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, Wayne Gretzky, Venus and Serena Williams, are.",
">\n\nAt one time the most famous individual human was Muhammad Ali. Pelé was on that level, it is true.\nCouple of other names as well: Jackie Robinson and Walter Payton.\nEdit: fixed misspelled name.",
">\n\nGotta say I don’t know Walter Patton.",
">\n\nThat might be my fault here. I meant Walter Payton. Sweetness. NFL running back who played for Chicago. Rushed for 16K+ yards. The NFL man of the year award is named after him because he was always doing charity work.",
">\n\n...who?\nUnfortunately, I think stuff like NFL, Rugby, or baseball superstars can really get on the same global recognition level as soccer, basketball, tennis, or golf.",
">\n\nThis is going to be weird to some, maybe... but what i remember him most for is the movie Victory with him, Stallone, Michael Caine and Max von Sydow. Mostly a very fictionalized story about something from World War II... but it was a cool little movie where the Allies beat the Nazis at soccer.\nThey had Pelé using his skills to basically defeat the Third Reich. Sure, not all that super accurate, but it's a fun movie to watch. He was able to act at least as well as Stallone too. And it was one one of the last films directed by John Huston too.",
">\n\n\"After givin' me ball here, I do this... ...this, this, goal. Easy.\"\nMy dad would always say this quote to me before rec league soccer games as a kid. It's a great movie.",
">\n\nIt's sappy, but good. I watched it a lot as kid. The big highlight where Pelé scores a big goal. It's a fun movie.",
">\n\nIs it kind of like Gleaming the Cube but with soccer?"
] |
>
"That ain't my daughter!" (even though DNA tests confirm it)
Pele. Blows off her funeral as well. | [
"RIP to the king of the game. Legend.",
">\n\nHe's arguably one of the primary reasons why soccer became the most popular sport in the world. RIP",
">\n\nRetired ~50 years ago and remained a household name.",
">\n\nSeriously though! As someone who doesn't follow sports all that much, it wasn't until a few years ago that I realized Pelé was an older man and not some present day sports superstar given how common it was to hear his name mentioned whenever soccer/football came up.",
">\n\nI am just now learning that Pele is not a 35 year old man. I don't know shit about fuck when it comes to soccer, but I knew the name Pele.",
">\n\nHaving learned about him growing up but not watching soccer I thought he played with guys like Beckham. He's to soccer what Wilt and Babe Ruth are to basketball and baseball.",
">\n\nI'm not a soccer fan, but I get the impression that Pelé is far more important to soccer than Wilt Chamberlain is to basketball or Babe Ruth is to baseball. I'm not sure American sports has an equivalent to Pelé.",
">\n\nMaybe not in importance but in complete domination of their sport setting records that still have yet to be broken.",
">\n\nI was just speaking in terms of their importance. We have had many great players in different sports but Pelé is like the Jesus Christ of soccer, no American athlete matches that. Closest one would probably be Michael Jordan, but I don't think even he is on the same level because his fame has waned a bit in the 20 years he has been retired whereas Pelé has been retired for 50 years and is just as famous as he ever was.",
">\n\nThis man was a global icon in a world before social media, the internet, etc. Even those who didn't follow sports knew his name. \nHe even was the cause of a cease fire during the Nigerian civil war so they could watch him play. \nLegend doesn't begin to describe him.",
">\n\nI know next to nothing about Soccer and even I know about him",
">\n\nPele is one of those people whose name transcended the sport. You don't have to follow the sport to know who Pele, Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, Wayne Gretzky, Venus and Serena Williams, are.",
">\n\nAt one time the most famous individual human was Muhammad Ali. Pelé was on that level, it is true.\nCouple of other names as well: Jackie Robinson and Walter Payton.\nEdit: fixed misspelled name.",
">\n\nGotta say I don’t know Walter Patton.",
">\n\nThat might be my fault here. I meant Walter Payton. Sweetness. NFL running back who played for Chicago. Rushed for 16K+ yards. The NFL man of the year award is named after him because he was always doing charity work.",
">\n\n...who?\nUnfortunately, I think stuff like NFL, Rugby, or baseball superstars can really get on the same global recognition level as soccer, basketball, tennis, or golf.",
">\n\nThis is going to be weird to some, maybe... but what i remember him most for is the movie Victory with him, Stallone, Michael Caine and Max von Sydow. Mostly a very fictionalized story about something from World War II... but it was a cool little movie where the Allies beat the Nazis at soccer.\nThey had Pelé using his skills to basically defeat the Third Reich. Sure, not all that super accurate, but it's a fun movie to watch. He was able to act at least as well as Stallone too. And it was one one of the last films directed by John Huston too.",
">\n\n\"After givin' me ball here, I do this... ...this, this, goal. Easy.\"\nMy dad would always say this quote to me before rec league soccer games as a kid. It's a great movie.",
">\n\nIt's sappy, but good. I watched it a lot as kid. The big highlight where Pelé scores a big goal. It's a fun movie.",
">\n\nIs it kind of like Gleaming the Cube but with soccer?",
">\n\n“The more difficult the victory, the greater the happiness in winning.” - Pele\nRIP"
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